You're not wrong, Phasma has like three lines of dialog and is a forgettable character. People got hyped about her for one reason and one reason only, which is that she's silver. But Di$ney probably sold several million dollars worth of toys because people were psyched about a storm trooper with a color scheme other than black and white.

Yeah I've read this "only two Sith at a time" nonsense online too. But it doesn't seem to align with what they're doing with the movies now, unless we're meant to believe that Snoke only took to the Force after the Emperor died? Clearly he's another Dark Side practitioner who was doing something or other while the Emperor was in power. Or maybe the Galaxy spontaneously generates a new, pre-wizened Sith Lord whenever one croaks to maintain balance in the Force?

It's always possible that the "rule of two" was just another silly George Lucas idea that was abandoned midway as he fleshed out the Prequel screenplays. Or, to be more charitable to George, maybe it was some old Sith Lord's concept of the way the Sith should operate, but not really observed during any of the times shown in the films. Or maybe it just meant that the Sith work in pairs (master/apprentice) but that there could be multiple pairs of Sith floating around at any one time. Anyway, I'm guessing we won't be hearing any more about it going forward!

Careful, if you quit Star Wars the Trekkies may try to convert you ...

Well put. And a Superbowlhangoverument beats a cargument any day.

You’re suggesting the spent $300m making the movie and $700m promoting it (such that they need to hit $1b to show a profit)? That’s crazy talk. Now will someone be getting fired if a SW movie doesn’t break $1b? Sure, probably. But they’ll be turning a profit long before that. And you know they’ve made hundreds of millions in merchandising before the first screening.

TLJ May or may not be viewed as a “success,” but Disney’s making bank regardless. If they haven’t covered that $4b they paid Lucas already, I’d bet they are close.

This is where we disagree - they’re printing money right now, loads of it. If it’s 10% less than they projected, someone may lose their job but the beat goes on. This cash cow is far from dead.

I can see where Blade Runner was not deemed a success. But their marketing costs can’t have been much cheaper than TLJ, which also got tons of paid promotion from all the car ads, etc.

Even if Disney needed $900m to see any profit (which still seems like a stretch), all the hand-wringing in this thread is silly. TLJ won’t make as much as Force Awakens, but they’ll still make plenty on it. And if anyone’s betting that TLJ won’t gross $1b world-wide, I’ll take that action.

Oh, and I totally agree that making cheap, surprise hit horror movies is the way to go! But less predictable cash flow than milking SW fans every year or two for the next 30 years.

And here’s another perspective: “Yes, the massive week two drop is disappointing overall. But when your movie is still on pace to be one of the top ten highest-grossing films both domestic and worldwide of all time, you’re still in a good position. No need to hit the panic button.”
http://observer.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office-drop-disney-lucasfilm-worried/

Complaints about pacing, continuity errors, etc. are all well and good, but is this thread really devolving into a bunch of snowflakes bitching that they let some girls into space? Or that they didn’t get Michael Bay to direct it?

If you’re doing political litmus tests for directors and producers now, it’s really going to trim down the number of films you can enjoy.

I’m all for people disliking the movie, I didn’t love it myself. I’m just disappointed in the “this movie sucked, must be because of the gross lady fingerprints all over it” angle.

Who cares.

Either the movie’s good or it’s not. Men have been producing Hollywood dreck with dubious social messaging for more than a century, now women get a chance to show they can churn out crap too. Big whoop.

As far as the quality of the male characters, I’ll go out on a limb and guess that most boys still want a Poe or Finn action figure more than a Rey, despite the fact that they learn a lesson or whatever in the new movie (no one wants an old man doll so Luke is SOL). My boys both still love the droids best of all, so at least that remains constant over 40 years of Star Wars.

Is that what they’re charging for 3D IMAX these days? No wonder you’re pissed.

I paid $12 at Alamo Draft House, with beer and food service to my seat. Makes even a dull movie much more tolerable!

I read the following in the article you’re talking about: “Today, the Lucasfilm story group is a diverse outlier in Hollywood: five of its members are people of color, and the team includes four women and seven men.” So I’m not sure what to make of the “all women team” comments in the article. Doesn’t sound to me like that’s who produced TLJ.

Agreed that you look to the creative team if you don’t like creative choices. Like I’ve said, if you’re right and they lose money on this movie (or significantly underperform expectations), people will be fired. Not clear that’s what’s happening at the box office though.

This was my single biggest issue with the movie as well.

I saw TLJ again tonight. I still didn't love it, but definitely enjoyed it more on a second viewing. Despite some sizeable flaws it's more enjoyable than not, something I could never say about the Prequels. FWIW, my brother and cousin, neither of whom had seen it yet, both enjoyed it as well.

So what works about it? Luke is fun to watch - I liked him as a cranky old master. Rey and Kylo's scenes are solid. The last half hour of the movie -- Hoth 2.0 fight, Luke's force hologram trick and death, showdown with Snoke -- all worked well and was enjoyable, though I could have done without the last 1.5 minutes of inspirational stable urchins, that felt like an old George Lucas move.

What doesn't work? It's easily 30-45 minutes too long. You can feel the bloat in the casino scene, as they drift into war monger profiteering political exposition and camel racing nonsense. As my friend remarked, the Cantina is iconic and it was on the screen for like four minutes -- if we'd hung out there for half an hour, toured the basement, and learned about what a terrible boss the owner was, it would have been lame. Static flying space Leia remains extremely cheesy and unnecessary -- if they weren't going to kill her, leave her on the ship. And the hyperspace suicide bomb trick was just horrible - we're just going to have to agree to collectively pretend that never happened, since even the nerds on reddit can't come up with a colorable explanation.

But the few big whiffs weren't enough to kill my enjoyment of the film. Maybe I'm just old and less attached to the franchise. Maybe I was kicked in the nuts enough times by George Lucas that I'm desensitized. But I'd be fine with my kids seeing this one alongside TFA when they're older, whereas the Prequels will never be shown at my house.

Now when are we starting a thread about the new Jumanji picture? And why haven't they added The Rock to the SW films yet? That guy's great in everything!

Patton Oswalt summed up Lucas' work on the Prequels nicely:

I know a lot of people didn't dig Laura Dern's hair, but I was thrown off by the fact that she was commanding an armada in a ball gown. If second-in-command types were supposed to be in formal wear, where was Poe's tux?

Interesting take. As much as some folks hate the new stuff, I haven't seen a ton of "wish we had Lucas back" sentiment. I for one was relieved to hear that Disney wasn't interested in further input from Lucas when that story broke. I still haven't forgiven him for remixing the OT and refusing to release decent prints of the unadulterated films, let alone for the Prequels or for marrying off Indiana Jones at the end of Crystal Skull (a giant F-U to the fans that was!). The last decent ideas Lucas hatched were in The Last Crusade, and it's been a while ...

Haven’t read it yet myself, but maybe this is the story notes you’re looking for:
http://uproxx.com/hitfix/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy/

I’m thinking we’d have finally got that deep dive into the chemistry and biology of midichlorians we were all jonesing for after the Prequels.

I didn’t much care for Rogue One myself, but Vader wreaking havoc on Leia’s ship in the last five minutes was worth the price of admission.

Thoughts from (Fake) George Lucas on TLJ:
https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/12/19/the-power-of-branding-fake-george-lucas-tells-us-why-he-cried-during-the-last-jedi/

A few highlights:

Does it feel to you like a rebuke that not one character in the new movie says, “I got a bad feeling about this”?

To me, you’re leaving money on the table. That joke is the most financially successful joke of all time. There is no single joke that has made more money because if you add up the grosses to all of the Star Wars movies, the Indiana Jones movies I’ve used it in — you could even throw in Radioland Murders, though you don’t get a lot of extra money. There were so many things characters could have had a bad feeling about over the course of this movie. I saw at least twenty times you could have used that joke. And obviously you don’t want to use it all twenty, but I think you could have used it ten or eleven times.

Was there anything in The Last Jedi that you liked?

By far the most thrilling scene, the one that really spoke to me, was the final one, which is essentially a re-creation of any of the Kenner toy commercials for the Star Wars action figures. I teared up. The hope for the Resistance is in the specific kind of ancillary marketing and profit stream that built the Lucasfilm empire. I thought it was brilliant of Rian Johnson to fold into the world of Star Wars itself the power of merchandising, the power of licensing, the power of branding.

Of course the entire movie was “fan service” - filling in bits of the story that really needed no filling in. The Vader scene just looked cool.

Tight rebuttal.

I’m sure someone knows what sells in Chinese theaters. I don’t think we’ve heard from them yet in this thread. But I’d be a little surprised if the Chinese movie audience is as obsessed with this “SJW” mumbo jumbo as Pinside appears to be.

If it's salt you're after, you've come to the right thread!

But they’ll win you back with the next stand-alone film: “Gone in 60 Parsecs: a Star Wars Story.”

On that note, I always found Luke's Jedi training to be a bit perfunctory as well. Obi-wan dropped a little wisdom on him on the Falcon on the commute to Alderaan, and then he spent a few days with Yoda at Jedi camp. Maybe all it really takes is a long weekend, and the Dark Side training regimen is just horribly inefficient.

Midichlorians!

Fair enough, although you could imagine Madeline Albright wearing that getup, and in her sixty seconds on screen, I took Mon Mothma to be more of a big picture strategy type than a battleship commander. Regardless, Laura Dern's slinky evening wear number was several more steps removed from professional garb. Maybe all the shit went down on casual Friday.

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I'd be very surprised if Luke's back in non-ghost form next time. They would have had to sell killing him off up and down the chain at Disney, hard to believe they'd reverse that decision now. I think JJ would do better not to touch some of the wonky elements of TLJ (flying Leia, suicide bombing) and just move forward with the story.

The Rey's parents thing was lame because they made a deal out of it in TFA, but now that it's been addressed I think they should just drop that as well -- it's not like Anakin's parents were famous Jedi, and his midichlorians were off the scale, for God's sake!

Speaking of midichlorians, here's a super-cool table I found on google, culled by nerds from the expanded universe.

1. Anakin Skywalk/Darth Vader (27,000) is the consensus #1 on this list. His count was considered to be off the charts.
2. Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious (19,000) is usually ranked #2, the most powerful Sith aside from Darth Vader, and slightly above...
3. Yoda (17,000) is the most powerful Jedi ever.
4. Luke Skywalker (15,000) is the son of Anakin Skywalker.
5. Leia Organa (15,000) is Luke Skywalker's twin, so she has an identical midichlorian count.
6. Anakin Solo/Ben Solo/Kylo Ren (13,500) the son of Leia Organa and Han Solo
7. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus (13,500) the Sith who defeated...
8. Obi-Wan Kenobi (13,400) the Jedi who defeated...
9. Darth Maul (12,000)

Now doesn't that add so much to the mystique of the Star Wars universe? Thanks George Lucas, wish we had you back!

Serious question about the timeline in TLJ. It kind of has to be something like Dunkirk (admittedly a much better movie) right, where the early scenes on Luke's island are actually some time before the space chase, and then the island/space-chase timelines converge later in the film?

FFS. Really? I haven't seen them since they were in the theaters and had forgotten that. I guess the obvious next step would be for Rey to have spontaneously generated with no parents at all.

Who?

I'd imagine this list was generated pre-TFA, so Rey and Snoke didn't make the cut. Though Rey would presumably be even higher than Anakin since she's ripping it up with no formal education! If only we hadn't lost midichlorian detection technology when the Republic fell ...

The bar's relatively low after the Xmas Special and the Ewok Telemovies.

Here's some exclusive footage of the new Han at work:

Wonder what kind of midichlorian count he's got going to pull off those rope tricks?

Are you really arguing with a straight face that Disney produced a movie that results in zero profit to their shareholders with $1.2b in global box office? Who would ever greenlight that? Justice League (the "highest grossing box office bomb ever" according to your guy over at Forbes) was a failure at $650m world wide. But TLJ has nearly doubled that number and is still bringing in money. It likely failed to meet projections, but it is objectively not a "bomb."

As for your profit/cost numbers, none of us appear to really know what we're talking about, but a guy earlier said Disney's actually getting 65% of domestic box office for TLJ through strong-arm deals with theaters, which would tack $100m onto your domestic take number. It seems plausible that Disney negotiated better deals in at least some foreign markets too. As for marketing costs, do you really think they spend as much on a SW flick as the average blockbuster, when they've got all that free advertising from their licensees (which they're being paid for to boot)? I've seen way more car and video game ads featuring Star Wars than I have TLJ ads this winter.

Disney will ultimately turn a sizeable profit on TLJ (box office plus licensing/merchandising). It is unavoidable. The creative team may well be shuffled or flushed, but the franchise is neither endangered nor dead (as the guy from Forbes seems to imply). And they're going to be making SW movies, shows, rides, toothbrushes, and underpants for many years to come.

None of which has anything to do with the artistic merits of the TLJ. It's just odd to see people bending over backward to argue that Disney won't get paid on this venture. ESPN might have been a crap purchase, but the Lucas properties at $4b were a steal.

gdonovan sounds like your kids are grown past the action figure/lunch box crowd that minted Lucas his billions. I've got a 4 and 6 year old and they and their friends are obsessed with SW. They received SW shirts, hats, and Legos out the wazoo from relatives for Christmas, all unsolicited. The boys are too young to see these movies, and I doubt the relatives buying the stuff have seen them either, but they're all affected by the marketing blitz (which Disney doesn't pay for much of). And even if real world toys are a shrinking market, it's not like SW is absent from the world video games and apps. There's still plenty of gold in them there hills, and Disney knew it when they bought out George.

Your math looked great, right up to the point where it led you to conclude that "best case scenario" Disney "just broke even" on TLJ at $1.2b world wide box office. And that Disney's "best case scenario" is now to clear $100-200m (assuming $1.3-$1.4b world wide). Doesn't pass the smell test. Something's off with your calculations unless you're doing the kind of "movie accounting" that also classified the Harry Potter and LOTR films as losers to avoid paying out on back-end deals. In which case I agree, TLJ will probably "lose" hundreds of millions, just like every other blockbuster film in history.

Your math shows that Disney needs a $1.2b gross to see a profit. This checks out IF we assume that your (guestimate) inputs are correct. But given that the output of your equation is illogical -- in that it insists that TLJ must double the box office of the highest grossing bomb in movie history to show any profit -- I must conclude that your inputs are significantly flawed. Of course they're probably still better than the usual pinball BOM and profit margin numbers that fly around Pinside, so maybe I'm giving you too much guff about it. [EDIT: looking back at my last few threads, I've said my piece and then some, so I'll shut up about TLJ being box office gold going forward]

I thought the plan was always for JJ Lens Flash to come back and direct Ep. 9, and then RJ to write and direct all three of the following trilogy. (I hear the force is strong with Ackbar's son, but will his lust for vengeance turn him to the dark side? And can a major motion picture staring a goldfish man succeed?)

If there's a shakeup, it would be in RJ losing Eps. 10-12. Will be interesting to see if that happens. It'd be fun if they could get Christopher Nolan involved, he might have some fun with the SW Universe now that the reigns are loosened.

At least they didn't cast Shia LaBeouf or the new Mr. Fantastic as Han Solo. I kind of like that Hobie Doyle kid, even though I fully expect the Solo movie to suck. Who grows up to be Harrison Ford? Harrison Ford, obviously.

That’s what they get for buying up everybody! #firstworldproblems

I’m sure they make ‘em. I got a Porg shirt for Xmas.

Stern Star Wars is great. Have you played it yet?

You need to shop around, you're overpaying for everything.

Ted was clearly way off on his $2b prediction, though you have to give him credit for sticking to his number in the face of all the data.

But he was 100% right when he said that Disney and the SW franchise are fine. I get that you feel they've destroyed the franchise because "SJW" or whatever, and that you badly want TLJ to be such a financial failure that Disney goes crawling back to George Lucas to save them from themselves. But even if it underperformed expectations (and I have to wonder if Disney's projections were anywhere near your and Ted's $2b), TLJ was undeniable a $$$ machine. It's currently #6 all time domestic gross, #12 world wide gross. Even people that hated the movie can acknowledge that Disney's made hundreds of millions in profit on the box office receipts alone at those numbers, despite your back of the envelope calculations.

So you can say it sucked and was a total disappointment as a film. Even I, a relative TLJ super fan by the standards of this thread, could only muster a "more enjoyable than not." But to call it a (financial) train wreck, a bomb, a salty crow pie, or whatever metaphor we're reduced to at this point, is a little silly.

Unless your metric is solely the Chinese market. Which is indisputably make-or-break when your films consistently gross top-ten all time domestic. And looking at those numbers, TLJ was indeed an epic flop with only $40m Chinese gross. As was TFA (top grossing domestic film of all time, #3 world wide) with a paltry $124m. In fact, looking at TFA's China numbers, it's a little difficult to believe Disney even bothered to continue the latest trilogy. How will they survive this back-to-back box office bloodbath?

Now we are getting somewhere!

Turned on the TV this evening and that precise scene was playing on HBO. For a moment I wondered if my smart TV was somehow tracking my YouTube views...

No doubt. We've been talking financials because many people detested TLJ and want the box office numbers to reflect their feelings, in hopes that Disney will be forced into a course-correction for the SW franchise. None of that changes the artistic merits of the movie itself. But if Disney feels they've left a bunch of money on the table by pissing off graying space nerds, they'll probably make changes going forward. They're a for-profit corporation, after all.

Easy now, I'm a graying space nerd myself. Maybe I'm camouflaged because I'm not also on a "SJW" jag? But I think I'm still entitled to poke a little fun at my own pack. And like I said, if the graying space nerds really stop showing up en mass, Disney will take notice. They still want your money after all. That may prove as elusive as the Stern boycott that people are always trying to get going on Pinside, but time will tell.

@infinitelives, sorry for implying you've got gray hair. May your beard never grown thin!

Ugh. "Han meets Chewie and Lando" sounds like another story that no one needs to see acted out. Were they roommates at college or something? I'm not enthusiastic.

The only news I've been happy to see re: the Solo movie is that Woody Harrelson's in it. Love that guy. Not sure he fits in the SW universe, mind you, but he's usually fun to watch.

I don't know how pissed JJ is -- he was an executive producer on TLJ, and the interviews make it sound like he knew and was consulted about what was going on with the movie as they were writing it. Doesn't mean he'd have gone that way with it of course, but if he had a violent reaction to something, I imagine Disney would have paid attention.

That said, it will be interesting to see what JJ does with the next SW movie. So many big questions, chief among them being: does he have the balls to do yet another Death Star?

It’s actually 16 - you left out that stable boy with the force broom.

That could work so long as Luke shows up naked, like the Terminator (remember, he left his robe behind on the island). Then he can use the Jedi mind trick to score a new outfit. "I need your clothes, your boots, and your landspeeder."

The title for the next standalone SW was just leaked:

Rose Before Bros: A Star Wars Story

Can’t wait!

[shamelessly swiped from Comedy Bang Bang]

Have you forgotten the midichlorians?!? Worst idea ever. And clear evidence that 1990s George Lucas was completely out of touch with the magical universe that 1970s George Lucas created. Providing an (extraordinarily lame) clinical explanation for the mysterious, mystical force that permeates the Star Wars universe was far more egregious than whatever's off with TLJ. Still pisses me off 19 years later just thinking about it. Maybe they can retcon it and say that the Jedi Counsel had slipped into a Scientology-esque fascination with bogus pseudoscience, yet another sign of the Republic's decline?

You may be on to something there.

I wonder if they’re including SW Legos though. That’s what my kids want, not the action figures.

Speaking of reboots (and I’m honestly not trying to troll the two guys here that enjoyed them), what about rebooting the prequels? There are some good story elements there that might benefit from a second take. They could maintain the stuff that worked, drop the trade federation snoozefest, add a lot more Darth Maul, and hire a competent screenwriter to do dialog. Plus have the benefit of twenty years progress in visual effects. Plus Liam Neeson is still kicking ass so no need to recast his part.

Since Disney seems bent on doing one SW movie per year, it’s not like this would distract from other worthy projects.

That’s what I’m talking about! They should cast him in the next SW movie. Would take care of their China box office “problem” as well.

#TheRock2020

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The article says "the most recent Star Wars franchise film has fallen about $200 million short of analysts' expectations." Will be interesting to see if they shake up the creative team as a result. Equivalent to a SB winning team going 9-7 the following season and missing the playoffs. The head coach should be safe, but a coordinator or two may get the ax to send the message that expectations were not met.

Can’t compete with the Clydesdales!

Wow, I am getting old. Just that “dilly dally” crap then? Or maybe they’ll bring back “Waaaaaaasssuuuuup”

Epic burn!

On a serious note though, why not have the Clydesdales pulling up to a FEMA trailer with a wagon load of canned water?

That’s why it’s a teaser! Glad to see that Woody Harelson’s comb-over was prominently featured though.

Hey, call me “Ernie” or “Big Ern.”

I had the same problem with the Han actor (who I actually liked in “Hail Caesar”). Maybe I’ll get over it over the course of the film, but when you’ve got a guy who looks about the same age as Han in the original SW and his voice, mannerisms, and affect are all quite different, you’re setting him up to fail. Not that you want a Harrison Ford impersonator either, it may just be a flawed idea for a movie.

Or maybe it’ll end up like James Bond where they cast a new Han every couple of years and no one thinks anything of it.

At least for me, part of the problem was the age gap. With Obi Wan, you see him 40 years earlier, you expect him to seem different. With Han, it feels like this thing is set a year or two before we first met him in Mos Eisley.

Like I said, maybe it won't bother me when watching the movie, but I definitely noticed it in the preview.

I wonder if they’ll do a “how Han got his
chin scar” moment a la Last Crusade.

Hard R Star Wars? Should be fun!

Characters so memorable, no one notices when they die!

But he sounds so calm and rational in his post ...

Assuming this guy even is who he says he is, it certainly reads like the griping of a guy that just got canned and wants a little vengeance. Doesn't mean the Solo movie won't also suck, it's accumulated an impressive number of red flags -- but I'm guessing this dude has an agenda beyond exposing "the Mouse's" artistic crimes.

Read a few of the comments on that reddit thread. What is it, “The SJW Chat Corner” or something?

All legit critiques of TLJ. Yet you didn't use the term "SJW" or name-check liberal Hollywood even once! How did you pull it off, I wonder?

I know nothing about Annihilation, have yet to see a preview. But Ex Machina was so so good, hope this meets or beats it!

The movie that ended Sean Connery's acting career! And he passed up the role of Gandalf in LOTR to take it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10849037

His quote on the whole thing is fantastic: "I read the book. I read the script. I saw the movie. I still don't understand it. Ian McKellen, I believe, is marvelous in it." You can really just hear that in the Connery brogue!

Great comic books, middling movie IMO. But I was very psyched to see it when it came out, especially with Sean Connery in the lead!

Allan Moore is awesome! I don't know if you were into Watchmen, but the Absolute Edition (first published in ~2006) is incredible, fully re-colored by the original art team and printed at larger size which really showcases the terrific art. Totally worth the cost. If you're not down with giant books, the Deluxe Edition has the same re-colored art and high-quality paper, is more affordably priced, and weighs half as much.

The Watchmen movie was interesting, it was almost a literal, shot-for-shot (or shot-for-panel, I guess) version of the comic book brought to life. As a fan that's what I would always say I want when a book I love is translated to film, but it doesn't always work in practice. That said, it's great source material and a great cast. I should watch it again ...

Is it “official canon” if the film itself is ambiguous and the new stuff only contradicts Lucas’s commentary? It’s not like you can tell that’s the Falcon (as opposed to another ship from the same line) from what’s actually in the movie ...

But I guess you must be getting over TLJ if you’re down to this level of detail! Disney doesn’t care if you’re hate-watching Solo, they just want your cash.

Luckily these days there's more and better scifi television and movies to be had than ever, so plenty of good options to chose from. Introduce your kids to a cool new movie, it becomes a franchise, and if we're all still around in forty years they can complain about it being run into the ground!

There’s definitely a bizarre parody going down in this thread, on that much we agree.

Shocking to see a publicly traded company’s behavior driven by money.

Not to push aside Crispin Glover, who deserves another moment in the sun, but has anyone seen Ready Player One yet?

Shit, I thought it was out this week already, was planning to go with a buddy tomorrow night. Guess I'd better revisit that ...

The book was a lot of fun though, right? And it seems like it's getting decent reviews.

I guess Disney owning literally everything has its upsides, one-stop shopping if you've got $$ to burn on licensing ...

Good point ...

Super 8 was pretty good.

Good to see that you’re still reading nothing but objective, clear eyed analyses on this topic. I too get most of my film news from the film goblin.

Series or movie? I’d go series. Though it only airs in Spanish on Univision in the US these days.

So he peppered a few tespectable citations in to legitimize his speculative rant? If there’s actual, credible analysis somewhere that supports your point, why not quote that instead of the “film goblin”?

It was pretty funny how he showed up all cleaned up in his force projection. He should have added a few inches of height and 20 lbs of muscle as well, why not?

Yes, we’ve discussed your math (and the the quality and plausibility of your inputs and assumptions) several times. I shouldn’t have responded again as it’s a pointless and stale conversation.

The great news is that if your *ahem* alternative media sources are even close to correct, the whole SW team has already been canned. No way Disney would casually accept the profit numbers you’ve conjured.

Yeah, my bad for responding, we talked this topic to death weeks ago. Carry on.

SJW FTW!

Mark Hamill's great, he's been a good sport about all of this stuff, but also enough of a Star Wars nerd that he can't help but keep talking about it! And thumbs-up for his Force Ghost horror movie concept, I'd watch that. Less into his SW English Patient idea though ...

Hilarious! "From His Nap" opens with a Dallas/Newhart reveal that TLJ was all just Luke's dream brought on by one too many mugs of fermented seacow milk. And then they blow up the Death Star again.

Yeah, Mark Hamill is the man. He sure came up with "panhandling in front of Hooters" quickly though, makes you wonder what he was up to during all those years of voice acting.

I think that's why I'm less butthurt about the new stuff being meh. I cried my last tears for SW when Phantom Menace dropped.

How dare you?!? That’s about as close to SW cannon as you can get - cute robots can fix anything electronic with a quick taser blast.

Sure, sure, but you’re forgetting the third law of thermodynamics, which is that cute robots can fix anything with tasers. Look it up, bro.

Ha! I have trouble believing that JJ Abrams would do something this stupid. And would Meryl Streep really take the role? It's not like she needs the money and she's probably got better things to do with her time than get involved with a mess like that.

Well to be fair they had her goodbye scene with Luke in the can, I’m sure that’s why they kept the Mary Poppins sequence. It was a golden opportunity for them though.

Without veering further into politics, I'd suggest you stay off of Mark Hamill's twitter feed as well. If you start crossing out creative types based on their political views and activities, you'll run dry on interesting stuff to watch, read, and listen to pretty quickly.

Wait, does Force Ghost Yoda have the power to move stuff around in addition to starting fires? And if so, why isn't he poltergeisting Kylo Ren 24/7?

Rogue One strikes me as more of a "new wine into old skins" scenario.

I'll just leave this here in case there are any Indiana Joan fans in the crowd:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5966069/steven-spielberg-indiana-jones-queen-ready-player-one/

Sorry to hear this, anyone affiliated with "Rogue One" is in no position to bully other scifi projects.

He's not wrong ...

The only difference is that Terrible Ted’s music is garbage. Oh, and he looks (and behaves) like an insane hobo.