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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #550 2 years ago
    Quoted from Rando:

    I don't get the love for Phasma, was she a major player in the EU or something? The buildup to her pre Ep 7 was big, then she was lame. The build up for her pre Ep 8 was big, and she had more or a role, but again lame. I don't think it's Disney that's really pushing her though, it's seems to be fans, and I can't figure out why.
    In my opinion, she's a minor character, nothing really of interest, so I don't pay attention to her. Like one of the minor Empire Captains. Maybe some screen time and a line or two, but not a major player.
    But in articles and here people are excited about her and upset she wasn't more. Is it's because she's silver? Is it because she's a she? I don't get it.

    You're not wrong, Phasma has like three lines of dialog and is a forgettable character. People got hyped about her for one reason and one reason only, which is that she's silver. But Di$ney probably sold several million dollars worth of toys because people were psyched about a storm trooper with a color scheme other than black and white.

    #552 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    Maybe that’s why the Sith only need two (never less, never more and NEVER explained) people to routinely dominate the “light side” of the force.

    Yeah I've read this "only two Sith at a time" nonsense online too. But it doesn't seem to align with what they're doing with the movies now, unless we're meant to believe that Snoke only took to the Force after the Emperor died? Clearly he's another Dark Side practitioner who was doing something or other while the Emperor was in power. Or maybe the Galaxy spontaneously generates a new, pre-wizened Sith Lord whenever one croaks to maintain balance in the Force?

    #558 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    i think that you can be using the dark side of the force and not be classified as a sith.
    i mean you have Count Dooku, Darth Sidious and Darth Maul all around at the same time. Dooku was a pupil of Yoda and Maul was trained under Sidious presumably. Unless they glossed over when Dooku converted to the dark side right after maul died... they had more than 2 in the prequels.

    It's always possible that the "rule of two" was just another silly George Lucas idea that was abandoned midway as he fleshed out the Prequel screenplays. Or, to be more charitable to George, maybe it was some old Sith Lord's concept of the way the Sith should operate, but not really observed during any of the times shown in the films. Or maybe it just meant that the Sith work in pairs (master/apprentice) but that there could be multiple pairs of Sith floating around at any one time. Anyway, I'm guessing we won't be hearing any more about it going forward!

    Quoted from yuriijos:

    I thought TLJ sucked big time. Luke is uninspiring and the rest of the acting was mediocre. I'm done with this whole franchise. What a shame.

    Careful, if you quit Star Wars the Trekkies may try to convert you ...

    #563 2 years ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    I understand that as of VIII Snoke is just a plot device to get Kylo Ren in the driver's (no pun intended) seat, but when the home team just won the Superbowl, we really need an on-screen explanation of how they ended up 2-14 the next season, and where the arch enemy team picked up an all-pro rookie.

    Well put. And a Superbowlhangoverument beats a cargument any day.

    #623 2 years ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    Interestingly no budget for TLJ has been publicized. It’s probably safe to guess around 300m. It’s got to get over 1 billion total box office to start making money. It’s just getting over 600m but if it drops off they could be in trouble. As far as the merchandise that’s up in the air but they probably will make some money. When these movies make money then you can be assured that more movie like them will be made, whatever your opinion of them might be.

    You’re suggesting the spent $300m making the movie and $700m promoting it (such that they need to hit $1b to show a profit)? That’s crazy talk. Now will someone be getting fired if a SW movie doesn’t break $1b? Sure, probably. But they’ll be turning a profit long before that. And you know they’ve made hundreds of millions in merchandising before the first screening.

    TLJ May or may not be viewed as a “success,” but Disney’s making bank regardless. If they haven’t covered that $4b they paid Lucas already, I’d bet they are close.

    #626 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    A Star Wars franchise should be a license to print money, Kennedy and friends is hosing that.

    This is where we disagree - they’re printing money right now, loads of it. If it’s 10% less than they projected, someone may lose their job but the beat goes on. This cash cow is far from dead.

    #634 2 years ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    No, as others have pointed out, the gross box office sales, in other words the numbers we typically hear about, need to be at least 2x the budget and really more like 3x if you are counting international, before there is a profit. The theaters get their take out of those gross box office numbers, something like half for domestic theaters and higher than that for other countries. There are plenty of articles floating around that discuss this but the actual real numbers are kept obfuscated by the industry. But from what I have read this is a good rule of thumb
    The cost of production and marketing makes a big difference. We discussed this in the Blade Runner thread. Blade Runner production budget: 150 million. Total global box office so far: 260 million. Not even close, this will lose tens of millions.
    Compare to another movie that came out about the same time, Happy Death Day. Production budget: 5 million. Total box office: 115 million. That’s how you make millions on a movie!

    I can see where Blade Runner was not deemed a success. But their marketing costs can’t have been much cheaper than TLJ, which also got tons of paid promotion from all the car ads, etc.

    Even if Disney needed $900m to see any profit (which still seems like a stretch), all the hand-wringing in this thread is silly. TLJ won’t make as much as Force Awakens, but they’ll still make plenty on it. And if anyone’s betting that TLJ won’t gross $1b world-wide, I’ll take that action.

    Oh, and I totally agree that making cheap, surprise hit horror movies is the way to go! But less predictable cash flow than milking SW fans every year or two for the next 30 years.

    #682 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    'Last Jedi' Grosses Are Collapsing With The Worst Daily Holds Of All 9 Star Wars Movies

    And here’s another perspective: “Yes, the massive week two drop is disappointing overall. But when your movie is still on pace to be one of the top ten highest-grossing films both domestic and worldwide of all time, you’re still in a good position. No need to hit the panic button.”
    http://observer.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office-drop-disney-lucasfilm-worried/

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    #790 2 years ago

    Complaints about pacing, continuity errors, etc. are all well and good, but is this thread really devolving into a bunch of snowflakes bitching that they let some girls into space? Or that they didn’t get Michael Bay to direct it?

    If you’re doing political litmus tests for directors and producers now, it’s really going to trim down the number of films you can enjoy.

    #804 2 years ago

    I’m all for people disliking the movie, I didn’t love it myself. I’m just disappointed in the “this movie sucked, must be because of the gross lady fingerprints all over it” angle.

    #809 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    It’s not three. It’s eleven, yes eleven and all female because they were all the “best fit for the job”.

    Who cares.

    Either the movie’s good or it’s not. Men have been producing Hollywood dreck with dubious social messaging for more than a century, now women get a chance to show they can churn out crap too. Big whoop.

    As far as the quality of the male characters, I’ll go out on a limb and guess that most boys still want a Poe or Finn action figure more than a Rey, despite the fact that they learn a lesson or whatever in the new movie (no one wants an old man doll so Luke is SOL). My boys both still love the droids best of all, so at least that remains constant over 40 years of Star Wars.

    #810 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    especially if you paid almost 40 bucks to see it.

    Is that what they’re charging for 3D IMAX these days? No wonder you’re pissed.

    #815 2 years ago

    I paid $12 at Alamo Draft House, with beer and food service to my seat. Makes even a dull movie much more tolerable!

    #834 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Are you being deliberately obtuse? Did you not read the article?
    The first priority was hiring women writers, not THE BEST writers but women writers. I don't care if the writer is a man or woman, you want the best for the job.
    They actually state that which is a tad stupid.
    As a former manager of a dept full of male and female employees this was (last I checked) against the law, as in discrimination.
    The Last Jedi clearly engages in very poor storytelling which logically you do a root cause analysis as to why if you are interested in writing and filmmaking.
    Which leads you to Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson.

    I read the following in the article you’re talking about: “Today, the Lucasfilm story group is a diverse outlier in Hollywood: five of its members are people of color, and the team includes four women and seven men.” So I’m not sure what to make of the “all women team” comments in the article. Doesn’t sound to me like that’s who produced TLJ.

    Agreed that you look to the creative team if you don’t like creative choices. Like I’ve said, if you’re right and they lose money on this movie (or significantly underperform expectations), people will be fired. Not clear that’s what’s happening at the box office though.

    #840 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    So basically, my issue with it is:
    Take some Droid maned ships and fire them into the death star and volia you win. Or any other major space battle. Cheapens the whole universe imo

    This was my single biggest issue with the movie as well.

    #956 2 years ago

    I saw TLJ again tonight. I still didn't love it, but definitely enjoyed it more on a second viewing. Despite some sizeable flaws it's more enjoyable than not, something I could never say about the Prequels. FWIW, my brother and cousin, neither of whom had seen it yet, both enjoyed it as well.

    So what works about it? Luke is fun to watch - I liked him as a cranky old master. Rey and Kylo's scenes are solid. The last half hour of the movie -- Hoth 2.0 fight, Luke's force hologram trick and death, showdown with Snoke -- all worked well and was enjoyable, though I could have done without the last 1.5 minutes of inspirational stable urchins, that felt like an old George Lucas move.

    What doesn't work? It's easily 30-45 minutes too long. You can feel the bloat in the casino scene, as they drift into war monger profiteering political exposition and camel racing nonsense. As my friend remarked, the Cantina is iconic and it was on the screen for like four minutes -- if we'd hung out there for half an hour, toured the basement, and learned about what a terrible boss the owner was, it would have been lame. Static flying space Leia remains extremely cheesy and unnecessary -- if they weren't going to kill her, leave her on the ship. And the hyperspace suicide bomb trick was just horrible - we're just going to have to agree to collectively pretend that never happened, since even the nerds on reddit can't come up with a colorable explanation.

    But the few big whiffs weren't enough to kill my enjoyment of the film. Maybe I'm just old and less attached to the franchise. Maybe I was kicked in the nuts enough times by George Lucas that I'm desensitized. But I'd be fine with my kids seeing this one alongside TFA when they're older, whereas the Prequels will never be shown at my house.

    Now when are we starting a thread about the new Jumanji picture? And why haven't they added The Rock to the SW films yet? That guy's great in everything!

    #959 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    George Lucas needs to follow OJ's example. Guaranteed #1 bestseller.....

    Patton Oswalt summed up Lucas' work on the Prequels nicely:

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Let's make one thing clear, even with Laura Dern, this thing was WAY better than the prequels

    I know a lot of people didn't dig Laura Dern's hair, but I was thrown off by the fact that she was commanding an armada in a ball gown. If second-in-command types were supposed to be in formal wear, where was Poe's tux?

    #961 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I’m 100% sure I would have enjoyed Lucas’ ideas for Episodes 7-9 more than what we’ve gotten from the disjointed, make-this-up-as-we-go, female centered bullshit we’ve gotten from the group thinktank at Disney.

    Interesting take. As much as some folks hate the new stuff, I haven't seen a ton of "wish we had Lucas back" sentiment. I for one was relieved to hear that Disney wasn't interested in further input from Lucas when that story broke. I still haven't forgiven him for remixing the OT and refusing to release decent prints of the unadulterated films, let alone for the Prequels or for marrying off Indiana Jones at the end of Crystal Skull (a giant F-U to the fans that was!). The last decent ideas Lucas hatched were in The Last Crusade, and it's been a while ...

    #967 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I would love to hear the story outline he pitched to Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford to get them onboard for another trilogy. And then how he gave that outline & story ideas to Kathleen Kennedy when he sold SW to Disney, and they promptly threw them in the trash. Along with most of the expanded universe. It will probably never be discussed or come to light, but there’s a lot of fans out there who are curious.

    Haven’t read it yet myself, but maybe this is the story notes you’re looking for:
    http://uproxx.com/hitfix/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy/

    I’m thinking we’d have finally got that deep dive into the chemistry and biology of midichlorians we were all jonesing for after the Prequels.

    #1017 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Thank you. I was about to respond until I saw your post. Couldn't agree more. Rogue One is great story telling. Group of misguided souls crossing paths, who find purpose & redemption through their ultimate sacrifice for the greater good. That movie builds & builds into one hell of a fantastic climax. Fan service? You bet! Give me more. Hard to believe it only came out a year ago. Definitely holds it's own place in Star Wars lore.

    I didn’t much care for Rogue One myself, but Vader wreaking havoc on Leia’s ship in the last five minutes was worth the price of admission.

    #1023 2 years ago

    Thoughts from (Fake) George Lucas on TLJ:
    https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/12/19/the-power-of-branding-fake-george-lucas-tells-us-why-he-cried-during-the-last-jedi/

    A few highlights:

    Does it feel to you like a rebuke that not one character in the new movie says, “I got a bad feeling about this”?

    To me, you’re leaving money on the table. That joke is the most financially successful joke of all time. There is no single joke that has made more money because if you add up the grosses to all of the Star Wars movies, the Indiana Jones movies I’ve used it in — you could even throw in Radioland Murders, though you don’t get a lot of extra money. There were so many things characters could have had a bad feeling about over the course of this movie. I saw at least twenty times you could have used that joke. And obviously you don’t want to use it all twenty, but I think you could have used it ten or eleven times.

    Was there anything in The Last Jedi that you liked?

    By far the most thrilling scene, the one that really spoke to me, was the final one, which is essentially a re-creation of any of the Kenner toy commercials for the Star Wars action figures. I teared up. The hope for the Resistance is in the specific kind of ancillary marketing and profit stream that built the Lucasfilm empire. I thought it was brilliant of Rian Johnson to fold into the world of Star Wars itself the power of merchandising, the power of licensing, the power of branding.

    #1025 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I decided to watch it again tonight, have to admit of the three new movies Rogue One was the best.
    Story is fairly tight, characters ok and visuals were good. Some minor nits with the story but mostly done for visual impact so ok.
    The last Vader scene was clearly fan service, no need for him to even really be in the film.

    Of course the entire movie was “fan service” - filling in bits of the story that really needed no filling in. The Vader scene just looked cool.

    #1034 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Bawwwahaha. Stick to electronics.

    Tight rebuttal.

    #1054 2 years ago

    I’m sure someone knows what sells in Chinese theaters. I don’t think we’ve heard from them yet in this thread. But I’d be a little surprised if the Chinese movie audience is as obsessed with this “SJW” mumbo jumbo as Pinside appears to be.

    #1061 2 years ago

    If it's salt you're after, you've come to the right thread!

    #1069 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    Granted, there is a lot of unbelievable aspects to movies like this, but there has to be some level of believability to it, or your mind just dismisses it all as ridiculous. Which is what happened here to pretty much all of this movie.

    But they’ll win you back with the next stand-alone film: “Gone in 60 Parsecs: a Star Wars Story.”

    #1071 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    Sadly, this scene and your “explanation” is more plausible than Rey instantly being a badass at anything and everything Jedi and force related (besting trained Sith Appretices TWICE and Snokes guards without any training herself) as well as naturally being an awesome pilot of the MF the first time she tries it (besting First Order pilots without any training herself).

    On that note, I always found Luke's Jedi training to be a bit perfunctory as well. Obi-wan dropped a little wisdom on him on the Falcon on the commute to Alderaan, and then he spent a few days with Yoda at Jedi camp. Maybe all it really takes is a long weekend, and the Dark Side training regimen is just horribly inefficient.

    #1088 2 years ago
    Quoted from Jam_Burglar:

    I LIKED how Rey is a natural bad-ass and just picks up the force naturally. Instead of being like "that's impossible" I was like, "who is this and why is she so much more advanced?" Why are some people just naturally good at pinball, or piano? I don't know, but it gives me something to think about.

    Midichlorians!

    #1096 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    For the record

    Fair enough, although you could imagine Madeline Albright wearing that getup, and in her sixty seconds on screen, I took Mon Mothma to be more of a big picture strategy type than a battleship commander. Regardless, Laura Dern's slinky evening wear number was several more steps removed from professional garb. Maybe all the shit went down on casual Friday.

    #1098 2 years ago

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    #1118 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Well we all knew that was coming cause JJ was making the next one.
    Slingshot was funny, but he'll frikken bring back Phasma for sure, he'll 100000% bring back Luke because he's pissed as a lot of the viewers and hammil's the way they can win them back. Jesus what else...explain the Princess Poppins thing ASAP, not be so racist aboot Finn hopefully...can;t think of anything else of the top but man he's gonna do a lot.
    EDIT: Oh Rey's parents being nobody was a lie

    I'd be very surprised if Luke's back in non-ghost form next time. They would have had to sell killing him off up and down the chain at Disney, hard to believe they'd reverse that decision now. I think JJ would do better not to touch some of the wonky elements of TLJ (flying Leia, suicide bombing) and just move forward with the story.

    The Rey's parents thing was lame because they made a deal out of it in TFA, but now that it's been addressed I think they should just drop that as well -- it's not like Anakin's parents were famous Jedi, and his midichlorians were off the scale, for God's sake!

    Speaking of midichlorians, here's a super-cool table I found on google, culled by nerds from the expanded universe.

    1. Anakin Skywalk/Darth Vader (27,000) is the consensus #1 on this list. His count was considered to be off the charts.
    2. Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious (19,000) is usually ranked #2, the most powerful Sith aside from Darth Vader, and slightly above...
    3. Yoda (17,000) is the most powerful Jedi ever.
    4. Luke Skywalker (15,000) is the son of Anakin Skywalker.
    5. Leia Organa (15,000) is Luke Skywalker's twin, so she has an identical midichlorian count.
    6. Anakin Solo/Ben Solo/Kylo Ren (13,500) the son of Leia Organa and Han Solo
    7. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus (13,500) the Sith who defeated...
    8. Obi-Wan Kenobi (13,400) the Jedi who defeated...
    9. Darth Maul (12,000)

    Now doesn't that add so much to the mystique of the Star Wars universe? Thanks George Lucas, wish we had you back!

    #1119 2 years ago

    Serious question about the timeline in TLJ. It kind of has to be something like Dunkirk (admittedly a much better movie) right, where the early scenes on Luke's island are actually some time before the space chase, and then the island/space-chase timelines converge later in the film?

    #1121 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Actually if you go back to the movie his mother states "there is no father" Lucas was alluding to Anakin being a Christ like figure with immaculate birth.
    I kid you not.

    FFS. Really? I haven't seen them since they were in the theaters and had forgotten that. I guess the obvious next step would be for Rey to have spontaneously generated with no parents at all.

    #1123 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    What about Snoke? oh wait.

    Who?

    I'd imagine this list was generated pre-TFA, so Rey and Snoke didn't make the cut. Though Rey would presumably be even higher than Anakin since she's ripping it up with no formal education! If only we hadn't lost midichlorian detection technology when the Republic fell ...

    #1134 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    are they still planning on doing a live action tv show? that is going to probably be horrible lol

    The bar's relatively low after the Xmas Special and the Ewok Telemovies.

    #1135 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Actual actors head photoshopped on Ford's body. Far as I know not a single still has been released, aside from a tease or two by Ron Howard on Twitter.

    Here's some exclusive footage of the new Han at work:

    Wonder what kind of midichlorian count he's got going to pull off those rope tricks?

    #1152 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Following up on the last post:
    $287,241,521 Domestic take (50% box office)
    $161,500,000 Overseas take (25% box office)
    ----------------------------------
    $448,741,521 Disney's cut.
    Disney has not even gotten back what they paid to make the movie and marketing yet.
    FYI The Force Awakens budget is reported at 245 million, I doubt The Last Jedi was made cheaper.

    Are you really arguing with a straight face that Disney produced a movie that results in zero profit to their shareholders with $1.2b in global box office? Who would ever greenlight that? Justice League (the "highest grossing box office bomb ever" according to your guy over at Forbes) was a failure at $650m world wide. But TLJ has nearly doubled that number and is still bringing in money. It likely failed to meet projections, but it is objectively not a "bomb."

    As for your profit/cost numbers, none of us appear to really know what we're talking about, but a guy earlier said Disney's actually getting 65% of domestic box office for TLJ through strong-arm deals with theaters, which would tack $100m onto your domestic take number. It seems plausible that Disney negotiated better deals in at least some foreign markets too. As for marketing costs, do you really think they spend as much on a SW flick as the average blockbuster, when they've got all that free advertising from their licensees (which they're being paid for to boot)? I've seen way more car and video game ads featuring Star Wars than I have TLJ ads this winter.

    Disney will ultimately turn a sizeable profit on TLJ (box office plus licensing/merchandising). It is unavoidable. The creative team may well be shuffled or flushed, but the franchise is neither endangered nor dead (as the guy from Forbes seems to imply). And they're going to be making SW movies, shows, rides, toothbrushes, and underpants for many years to come.

    None of which has anything to do with the artistic merits of the TLJ. It's just odd to see people bending over backward to argue that Disney won't get paid on this venture. ESPN might have been a crap purchase, but the Lucas properties at $4b were a steal.

    #1155 2 years ago

    gdonovan sounds like your kids are grown past the action figure/lunch box crowd that minted Lucas his billions. I've got a 4 and 6 year old and they and their friends are obsessed with SW. They received SW shirts, hats, and Legos out the wazoo from relatives for Christmas, all unsolicited. The boys are too young to see these movies, and I doubt the relatives buying the stuff have seen them either, but they're all affected by the marketing blitz (which Disney doesn't pay for much of). And even if real world toys are a shrinking market, it's not like SW is absent from the world video games and apps. There's still plenty of gold in them there hills, and Disney knew it when they bought out George.

    #1162 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I did the math, was something not clear?

    Your math looked great, right up to the point where it led you to conclude that "best case scenario" Disney "just broke even" on TLJ at $1.2b world wide box office. And that Disney's "best case scenario" is now to clear $100-200m (assuming $1.3-$1.4b world wide). Doesn't pass the smell test. Something's off with your calculations unless you're doing the kind of "movie accounting" that also classified the Harry Potter and LOTR films as losers to avoid paying out on back-end deals. In which case I agree, TLJ will probably "lose" hundreds of millions, just like every other blockbuster film in history.

    #1173 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Roll the tape! "$448,741,521 Disney's cut. Disney has not even gotten back what they paid to make the movie and marketing yet." This is 100% correct based on the math, Disney has not got back their investment money on making the movie YET.

    Your math shows that Disney needs a $1.2b gross to see a profit. This checks out IF we assume that your (guestimate) inputs are correct. But given that the output of your equation is illogical -- in that it insists that TLJ must double the box office of the highest grossing bomb in movie history to show any profit -- I must conclude that your inputs are significantly flawed. Of course they're probably still better than the usual pinball BOM and profit margin numbers that fly around Pinside, so maybe I'm giving you too much guff about it. [EDIT: looking back at my last few threads, I've said my piece and then some, so I'll shut up about TLJ being box office gold going forward]

    Quoted from kvan99:

    Then again you don't have to look too far to see how Disney feels about TLJ than RJ being shown the door and old bland Mr. Lens Flash brought back for Ep 9 to do damage control. I'm just waiting on Solo to hit the fan.

    I thought the plan was always for JJ Lens Flash to come back and direct Ep. 9, and then RJ to write and direct all three of the following trilogy. (I hear the force is strong with Ackbar's son, but will his lust for vengeance turn him to the dark side? And can a major motion picture staring a goldfish man succeed?)

    If there's a shakeup, it would be in RJ losing Eps. 10-12. Will be interesting to see if that happens. It'd be fun if they could get Christopher Nolan involved, he might have some fun with the SW Universe now that the reigns are loosened.

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Han Solo is almost getting as bad as [Fantastic 4]

    At least they didn't cast Shia LaBeouf or the new Mr. Fantastic as Han Solo. I kind of like that Hobie Doyle kid, even though I fully expect the Solo movie to suck. Who grows up to be Harrison Ford? Harrison Ford, obviously.

    #1178 2 years ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Disney is releasing so much stuff they don't even have breathing room for their own movies, let alone absorbing Fox (will Star Wars / Avatar trade alternate years)

    That’s what they get for buying up everybody! #firstworldproblems

    #1193 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Cool...did I mention my hat is a Porg?

    I’m sure they make ‘em. I got a Porg shirt for Xmas.

    #1205 2 years ago
    Quoted from jeffgoldstein2:

    New poll what is more disappointing, Star Wars 8 or the new Stern Star Wars!

    Stern Star Wars is great. Have you played it yet?

    #1207 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    $50 for TLJ: huge disappointment.
    $8000 for Stern SW: bigger punch to gut.

    You need to shop around, you're overpaying for everything.

    #1216 2 years ago

    Ted was clearly way off on his $2b prediction, though you have to give him credit for sticking to his number in the face of all the data.

    But he was 100% right when he said that Disney and the SW franchise are fine. I get that you feel they've destroyed the franchise because "SJW" or whatever, and that you badly want TLJ to be such a financial failure that Disney goes crawling back to George Lucas to save them from themselves. But even if it underperformed expectations (and I have to wonder if Disney's projections were anywhere near your and Ted's $2b), TLJ was undeniable a $$$ machine. It's currently #6 all time domestic gross, #12 world wide gross. Even people that hated the movie can acknowledge that Disney's made hundreds of millions in profit on the box office receipts alone at those numbers, despite your back of the envelope calculations.

    So you can say it sucked and was a total disappointment as a film. Even I, a relative TLJ super fan by the standards of this thread, could only muster a "more enjoyable than not." But to call it a (financial) train wreck, a bomb, a salty crow pie, or whatever metaphor we're reduced to at this point, is a little silly.

    Unless your metric is solely the Chinese market. Which is indisputably make-or-break when your films consistently gross top-ten all time domestic. And looking at those numbers, TLJ was indeed an epic flop with only $40m Chinese gross. As was TFA (top grossing domestic film of all time, #3 world wide) with a paltry $124m. In fact, looking at TFA's China numbers, it's a little difficult to believe Disney even bothered to continue the latest trilogy. How will they survive this back-to-back box office bloodbath?

    #1223 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Or maybe the Chinese just know a crap movie when they see one. Star Wars probably doesn't translate well.
    » YouTube video

    Now we are getting somewhere!

    Turned on the TV this evening and that precise scene was playing on HBO. For a moment I wondered if my smart TV was somehow tracking my YouTube views...

    #1240 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    box office sales really doesn't say if a movie is good or not. the twilight series is complete ass, and those earn well.
    Yet a movie like, Momento is brilliant , yet didn't do shit in the boxoffice.

    No doubt. We've been talking financials because many people detested TLJ and want the box office numbers to reflect their feelings, in hopes that Disney will be forced into a course-correction for the SW franchise. None of that changes the artistic merits of the movie itself. But if Disney feels they've left a bunch of money on the table by pissing off graying space nerds, they'll probably make changes going forward. They're a for-profit corporation, after all.

    #1252 2 years ago
    Quoted from Flowst:

    “Graying space nerds”, out comes the you’re old card yet again. The defense rests and drops the mic. No further argument necessary. So anyone who enjoyed the legacy of the star wars universe prior to Disney taking over should check in to the nursing home now.

    Easy now, I'm a graying space nerd myself. Maybe I'm camouflaged because I'm not also on a "SJW" jag? But I think I'm still entitled to poke a little fun at my own pack. And like I said, if the graying space nerds really stop showing up en mass, Disney will take notice. They still want your money after all. That may prove as elusive as the Stern boycott that people are always trying to get going on Pinside, but time will tell.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    im a 32 non grayed space nerd //sad face

    infinitelives, sorry for implying you've got gray hair. May your beard never grown thin!

    #1253 2 years ago

    Ugh. "Han meets Chewie and Lando" sounds like another story that no one needs to see acted out. Were they roommates at college or something? I'm not enthusiastic.

    The only news I've been happy to see re: the Solo movie is that Woody Harrelson's in it. Love that guy. Not sure he fits in the SW universe, mind you, but he's usually fun to watch.

    #1258 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Yes maybe I'm using the wrong term. I don;t mean like an actual institutional apology and admist that it was the disaster it was, but more of just really focusing on this one being more like TFA. I feel liek whilst they may be in complete denial, JJ just has to be so goddamn pissed.

    I don't know how pissed JJ is -- he was an executive producer on TLJ, and the interviews make it sound like he knew and was consulted about what was going on with the movie as they were writing it. Doesn't mean he'd have gone that way with it of course, but if he had a violent reaction to something, I imagine Disney would have paid attention.

    That said, it will be interesting to see what JJ does with the next SW movie. So many big questions, chief among them being: does he have the balls to do yet another Death Star?

    #1273 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    - Resistance - reduced to 15 people and no one came to their rescue

    It’s actually 16 - you left out that stable boy with the force broom.

    #1285 2 years ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    For Episode 9 JJ Abrams should turn the tables on Rian Johnson and just come up with Luke "force teleporting" somewhere, he's not actually dead after all.

    That could work so long as Luke shows up naked, like the Terminator (remember, he left his robe behind on the island). Then he can use the Jedi mind trick to score a new outfit. "I need your clothes, your boots, and your landspeeder."

    #1288 2 years ago

    The title for the next standalone SW was just leaked:

    Rose Before Bros: A Star Wars Story

    Can’t wait!

    [shamelessly swiped from Comedy Bang Bang]

    #1291 2 years ago
    Quoted from TRAMD:

    I have hated Episode 1 for years (I stood in line for 15 hours for that crap and then feel asleep during the pod race) but at least it mostly told a cohesive story and told the story you wanted it to. It's flaws were a bunch of annoying characters and bad dialogue. The Last Jedi makes those same flaws with Rose and Laura Dern's character alone and those are far from the worst parts about the movie. I would gladly watch Episode 1, 2 and 3 again before watching TLJ again.

    Have you forgotten the midichlorians?!? Worst idea ever. And clear evidence that 1990s George Lucas was completely out of touch with the magical universe that 1970s George Lucas created. Providing an (extraordinarily lame) clinical explanation for the mysterious, mystical force that permeates the Star Wars universe was far more egregious than whatever's off with TLJ. Still pisses me off 19 years later just thinking about it. Maybe they can retcon it and say that the Jedi Counsel had slipped into a Scientology-esque fascination with bogus pseudoscience, yet another sign of the Republic's decline?

    #1303 2 years ago
    Quoted from Jason43:

    I think the majority of people who buy Star Wars toys these days are adult collectors. Most of the older fans hated this movie, probably not buying the toys then.

    You may be on to something there.

    I wonder if they’re including SW Legos though. That’s what my kids want, not the action figures.

    #1314 2 years ago
    Quoted from master_of_chaos:

    Please reboot EP 8.

    Speaking of reboots (and I’m honestly not trying to troll the two guys here that enjoyed them), what about rebooting the prequels? There are some good story elements there that might benefit from a second take. They could maintain the stuff that worked, drop the trade federation snoozefest, add a lot more Darth Maul, and hire a competent screenwriter to do dialog. Plus have the benefit of twenty years progress in visual effects. Plus Liam Neeson is still kicking ass so no need to recast his part.

    Since Disney seems bent on doing one SW movie per year, it’s not like this would distract from other worthy projects.

    #1331 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    The Rock has some drawing power.

    That’s what I’m talking about! They should cast him in the next SW movie. Would take care of their China box office “problem” as well.

    #TheRock2020

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    #1335 1 year ago

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    #1338 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Well, Star Wars TLJ officially under performed. I think it’s funny how all the media outlets say it’s due to Star Wars burn out generally, none of them say it was due to the plot of the movie not being any good... Hopefully RJ and KK get canned quick. I still can’t believe how bad they blew it here.
    Here is one article: https://www.investopedia.com/news/disneys-last-jedi-box-office-sales-lower-wall-street-expectations/

    The article says "the most recent Star Wars franchise film has fallen about $200 million short of analysts' expectations." Will be interesting to see if they shake up the creative team as a result. Equivalent to a SB winning team going 9-7 the following season and missing the playoffs. The head coach should be safe, but a coordinator or two may get the ax to send the message that expectations were not met.

    #1354 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    if it was a good trailer they would have ponied up to show it during the super bowl. not a good sign they went with the monday after it lol. its not like it isnt ready at this point.

    Can’t compete with the Clydesdales!

    #1356 1 year ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    I heard there won’t be any Super Bowl commercials featuring the Clydesdales this year.

    Wow, I am getting old. Just that “dilly dally” crap then? Or maybe they’ll bring back “Waaaaaaasssuuuuup”

    #1361 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    How is their canned water any different from their beers? OH SNAP!

    Epic burn!

    On a serious note though, why not have the Clydesdales pulling up to a FEMA trailer with a wagon load of canned water?

    #1366 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    The Han Solo teaser could have used more Han Solo.

    That’s why it’s a teaser! Glad to see that Woody Harelson’s comb-over was prominently featured though.

    #1372 1 year ago
    Quoted from ArcadiusMaximus:

    He's got an Ernie McCracken thing going on there...

    Hey, call me “Ernie” or “Big Ern.”

    #1374 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    ouch.
    Still like the music, the actor ALMOST looks the part but dialog and the guys voice... yikes.
    Bad dialog and a voice not even close to Harrison Ford's is painful. Would have been off not having any of his dialog at all in the trailer.
    Maybe they can hire Harrison Ford to overdub the guy.

    I had the same problem with the Han actor (who I actually liked in “Hail Caesar”). Maybe I’ll get over it over the course of the film, but when you’ve got a guy who looks about the same age as Han in the original SW and his voice, mannerisms, and affect are all quite different, you’re setting him up to fail. Not that you want a Harrison Ford impersonator either, it may just be a flawed idea for a movie.

    Or maybe it’ll end up like James Bond where they cast a new Han every couple of years and no one thinks anything of it.

    #1376 1 year ago
    Quoted from Darscot:

    I don't get they whole he needs to be like Harrison Ford thing. Lots of actors play the same role and no one expects them to emulate each other. Ewan emulated a couple of mannerism of Alec but it's not like he didn't make the role his own. Ewan is a Scot and Alec is from London. At least Harrison and Alden are both American.

    At least for me, part of the problem was the age gap. With Obi Wan, you see him 40 years earlier, you expect him to seem different. With Han, it feels like this thing is set a year or two before we first met him in Mos Eisley.

    Like I said, maybe it won't bother me when watching the movie, but I definitely noticed it in the preview.

    #1380 1 year ago

    I wonder if they’ll do a “how Han got his
    chin scar” moment a la Last Crusade.

    #1394 1 year ago

    Hard R Star Wars? Should be fun!

    #1411 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I thought he lived. I looked it up, you are correct.

    Characters so memorable, no one notices when they die!

    #1429 1 year ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    Not that I don't have my doubts about the veracity of this guy, the article says he's a former employee.

    But he sounds so calm and rational in his post ...

    Assuming this guy even is who he says he is, it certainly reads like the griping of a guy that just got canned and wants a little vengeance. Doesn't mean the Solo movie won't also suck, it's accumulated an impressive number of red flags -- but I'm guessing this dude has an agenda beyond exposing "the Mouse's" artistic crimes.

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    #1433 1 year ago

    Read a few of the comments on that reddit thread. What is it, “The SJW Chat Corner” or something?

    #1438 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    There is a difference between rebooting something, and simply making just a bad movie, with no time and effort put into a script or story. That is the problem. They make movies and the primary focus is......Do we have things that are cute or look cool so we can sell toys and merch? Do we have scenes that look great, even though they don't make sense to the story, and blow out any reality to the situation? If both of these are yes. Then, they get the thumbs up to start filming. Assuming the audience is too dumb to notice the discrepancies. And in Disney's and the writers defense. 82% of the time they are correct.

    All legit critiques of TLJ. Yet you didn't use the term "SJW" or name-check liberal Hollywood even once! How did you pull it off, I wonder?

    #1440 1 year ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    Going to see Annihilation in an hour. I'm keeping fingers crossed.....

    I know nothing about Annihilation, have yet to see a preview. But Ex Machina was so so good, hope this meets or beats it!

    #1453 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Half way through I was hoping league of Extraordinary Gentlemen was on another channel.

    The movie that ended Sean Connery's acting career! And he passed up the role of Gandalf in LOTR to take it.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10849037

    His quote on the whole thing is fantastic: "I read the book. I read the script. I saw the movie. I still don't understand it. Ian McKellen, I believe, is marvelous in it." You can really just hear that in the Connery brogue!

    #1455 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I enjoyed the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. The depiction of Hyde was great. Dorian Grey was great. I think had it been released when the super hero craze really got going it may have been successful enough for sequels.

    Great comic books, middling movie IMO. But I was very psyched to see it when it came out, especially with Sean Connery in the lead!

    #1460 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    I have the book too. I don't collect comic books but I have a few, less than 10. I have the super duper one with the 3d glasses hard back cover that has the complete collection of The League stories. Allan Moore is awesome.

    Allan Moore is awesome! I don't know if you were into Watchmen, but the Absolute Edition (first published in ~2006) is incredible, fully re-colored by the original art team and printed at larger size which really showcases the terrific art. Totally worth the cost. If you're not down with giant books, the Deluxe Edition has the same re-colored art and high-quality paper, is more affordably priced, and weighs half as much.

    #1463 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    The movie was not well loved (I think it may be the best SH movie) but I think the Comic isn't underrated at all and usually accepted as a top Comic Strip. (?)

    The Watchmen movie was interesting, it was almost a literal, shot-for-shot (or shot-for-panel, I guess) version of the comic book brought to life. As a fan that's what I would always say I want when a book I love is translated to film, but it doesn't always work in practice. That said, it's great source material and a great cast. I should watch it again ...

    #1472 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    So were dismissing official canon as well as the extended universe? Details matter.

    Is it “official canon” if the film itself is ambiguous and the new stuff only contradicts Lucas’s commentary? It’s not like you can tell that’s the Falcon (as opposed to another ship from the same line) from what’s actually in the movie ...

    But I guess you must be getting over TLJ if you’re down to this level of detail! Disney doesn’t care if you’re hate-watching Solo, they just want your cash.

    #1479 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I have zero interest in seeing Solo, read enough to know its going to be hard going. The "mods" to the Falcon were just done for sales reasons, so they have a shiny new toy to sell. No cash for Disney from my pockets or my family.

    Luckily these days there's more and better scifi television and movies to be had than ever, so plenty of good options to chose from. Introduce your kids to a cool new movie, it becomes a franchise, and if we're all still around in forty years they can complain about it being run into the ground!

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    #1497 1 year ago

    There’s definitely a bizarre parody going down in this thread, on that much we agree.

    #1500 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Don't expect anything to change unless Disney starts losing so much cash Iger is ousted.

    Shocking to see a publicly traded company’s behavior driven by money.

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    #1513 1 year ago

    Not to push aside Crispin Glover, who deserves another moment in the sun, but has anyone seen Ready Player One yet?

    #1519 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I am so stoked, tickets already purchased for opening weekend. One of my favorite books of all-time, but I'm also being realistic. No way it can compare to the book, as I'm sure they changed a lot (licensing issues, plot points etc). But it will be fun for sure tho I haven't read anything about the movie so I'm trying to go in completely fresh.

    Shit, I thought it was out this week already, was planning to go with a buddy tomorrow night. Guess I'd better revisit that ...

    The book was a lot of fun though, right? And it seems like it's getting decent reviews.

    #1525 1 year ago
    Quoted from TRAMD:

    Despite initial reports, there will be SW material in RP1. YEAH!

    I guess Disney owning literally everything has its upsides, one-stop shopping if you've got $$ to burn on licensing ...

    #1527 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Not if you're spielberger...probably would have got the old buddy discount by George before!

    Good point ...

    #1532 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Trying to think of the last time Spielberg directed anything interesting.

    Super 8 was pretty good.

    #1545 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    https://filmgoblin.com/box-office/the-last-jedis-box-office-disaster/#numbers
    In fact, when you total up all of the numbers, the budget, the rentals, the marketing, the operations, etc it looks like The Last Jedi will make a profit of around $153M — from a main story-line Star Wars movie. That’s looks like a Cash-On-Cash Return of under one.
    That means there is already $627M missing from The Last Jedi’s P & L report when compared to The Force Awakens. And that’s before anyone cracks open the actuals of the Chinese marketing debacle that saw massive, massive outlays with no return.
    Here is the takeaway: An amount equivalent to 80% profit of The Force Awakens – from ALL venues and platforms worldwide – is missing from The Last Jedi’s balance sheet.

    Good to see that you’re still reading nothing but objective, clear eyed analyses on this topic. I too get most of my film news from the film goblin.

    #1548 1 year ago
    Quoted from Luzur:

    I was thinking of downloading the SW movie, but after this thread im gonna go and rewatch Miami Vice instead...

    Series or movie? I’d go series. Though it only airs in Spanish on Univision in the US these days.

    #1552 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Did you even bother to read the article? Several well respected and indisputable sources were cited.
    Don't let facts stand in the way.

    So he peppered a few tespectable citations in to legitimize his speculative rant? If there’s actual, credible analysis somewhere that supports your point, why not quote that instead of the “film goblin”?

    #1557 1 year ago
    Quoted from Darscot:

    The destroyed sabre is a tip off that Luke is not real when he shows up with it and a hair piece at the end. For me it just made the ending even worse. It was like they were actively saying look how dumb this is.

    It was pretty funny how he showed up all cleaned up in his force projection. He should have added a few inches of height and 20 lbs of muscle as well, why not?

    #1560 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Already have several times.
    Basic math at work here, its not hard.

    Yes, we’ve discussed your math (and the the quality and plausibility of your inputs and assumptions) several times. I shouldn’t have responded again as it’s a pointless and stale conversation.

    The great news is that if your *ahem* alternative media sources are even close to correct, the whole SW team has already been canned. No way Disney would casually accept the profit numbers you’ve conjured.

    #1563 1 year ago

    Yeah, my bad for responding, we talked this topic to death weeks ago. Carry on.

    #1567 1 year ago

    SJW FTW!

    #1579 1 year ago

    Mark Hamill's great, he's been a good sport about all of this stuff, but also enough of a Star Wars nerd that he can't help but keep talking about it! And thumbs-up for his Force Ghost horror movie concept, I'd watch that. Less into his SW English Patient idea though ...

    #1580 1 year ago
    Quoted from saucerman:

    The Force Awakes | The Last Jedi | From His Nap ( or what ever the third one we be called)

    Hilarious! "From His Nap" opens with a Dallas/Newhart reveal that TLJ was all just Luke's dream brought on by one too many mugs of fermented seacow milk. And then they blow up the Death Star again.

    #1590 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Can you tell how genuine Mark is though? He was just speaking his mind about the character and the movie till he was put on notice by someone from Disney.

    Yeah, Mark Hamill is the man. He sure came up with "panhandling in front of Hooters" quickly though, makes you wonder what he was up to during all those years of voice acting.

    #1594 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    the series was fawked way before disney took hold of it. Lucas started to destroy it in the 90's with adding a singing peanut and a awful jabba scene that didn't need to be there. Then finalized the nails in the coffin with a shitfest series that started in 1999.

    I think that's why I'm less butthurt about the new stuff being meh. I cried my last tears for SW when Phantom Menace dropped.

    #1602 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    How does BB-8 fix the X-wing by short-circuiting it?

    How dare you?!? That’s about as close to SW cannon as you can get - cute robots can fix anything electronic with a quick taser blast.

    #1604 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    OK so I know Star Wars is space fantasy, not sci-fi.
    Still, it takes place "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" which means it takes place in OUR universe and thus the laws of physics still apply.

    Sure, sure, but you’re forgetting the third law of thermodynamics, which is that cute robots can fix anything with tasers. Look it up, bro.

    #1609 1 year ago

    Ha! I have trouble believing that JJ Abrams would do something this stupid. And would Meryl Streep really take the role? It's not like she needs the money and she's probably got better things to do with her time than get involved with a mess like that.

    #1613 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Lol doesn't matter they had the perfect spot to kill her in space and fix the problem as well as add to kylo rens mixed feelings that she died and he didn't pull the trigger but nooooo. She survived for no reason at all, except to Mary Poppins thru space

    Well to be fair they had her goodbye scene with Luke in the can, I’m sure that’s why they kept the Mary Poppins sequence. It was a golden opportunity for them though.

    #1639 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I despise Meryl Streep because she is a typical Hollywood elite loudmouth telling people how to live while wallowing in the filth herself.

    Without veering further into politics, I'd suggest you stay off of Mark Hamill's twitter feed as well. If you start crossing out creative types based on their political views and activities, you'll run dry on interesting stuff to watch, read, and listen to pretty quickly.

    #1640 1 year ago
    Quoted from Vino:

    On second viewing I did notice the Jedi texts placed on board the Falcon in the drawer. Have no idea who put them there, Rey or Yoda.
    Doesn’t really matter.

    Wait, does Force Ghost Yoda have the power to move stuff around in addition to starting fires? And if so, why isn't he poltergeisting Kylo Ren 24/7?

    #1646 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    I could take your whole plot graph apart piece by piece but I'm too tired, but I'll give you a line for your upcoming Bible Adventure: Don't cast pearls before swine.

    Rogue One strikes me as more of a "new wine into old skins" scenario.

    #1647 1 year ago

    I'll just leave this here in case there are any Indiana Joan fans in the crowd:
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5966069/steven-spielberg-indiana-jones-queen-ready-player-one/

    #1652 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    In more horrible news
    'Rogue One' Screenwriter Teases 'Last Starfighter' Project

    Sorry to hear this, anyone affiliated with "Rogue One" is in no position to bully other scifi projects.

    #1661 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Oh get a life man...seriously.

    He's not wrong ...

    #1684 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    While you are right that it wouldn’t bother me as much, I think entertainers should entertain. If they want to politic let them run for office. Terrible Ted is just as annoying to me as Bono or Bruce Springsteen

    The only difference is that Terrible Ted’s music is garbage. Oh, and he looks (and behaves) like an insane hobo.

    #1711 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    I'm surprised they didn't show Lando in the jail on casino land for being a womanizer

    Don’t you have to get some action to be a womanizer? Lando took a failed swing at Leia, but you can’t blame him she was one of like three ladies in space at that time. His odds would be much improved in the newer films.

    #1713 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    You can't mostly cause she's a massive raciest.

    Fair point, she was also the raciest woman in space.

    #1723 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    haven't looked at this since about the time it came out
    Rotten Tomatoes 47% user 91% critics
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi/

    Disappointing performance by those down-vote bots, I figured they would have got it down into single digits by now.

    #1726 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Yeah, and we're all bots here too. Beep, Beep.

    I thought this thread was peopled by droids.

    #1729 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Well, I can tell you that not a lot of people are defending this picture, here or anywhere. Even in this thread if you go back to the first few pages, there were some folks actually defended this POS, but later in the thread, some of them decidedly changed their tone. This movie is a disaster from every angle, the question you should be asking is who the hell are those people who actually voted up this movie and how can I relieve them of their money.

    Yeah, the internet nerds did not love it. I’m probably the biggest fan in this thread and I’ve said since day one that it was more enjoyable than not, but not great.

    That said, and this is entirely anecdotal, I saw it with two large groups of non-nerds, and to a person they enjoyed it. Now they’re probably not nerdy enough to be writing online movie reviews either, but nevertheless there are definitely folks out there that liked it.

    #1747 1 year ago
    Quoted from Flowst:

    Am I the only person who sees Rian Johnson's smug face, reads his comments in complete disregard for fans opinion, and want to punch him in his round face?

    Well this guy wants the kick him in his smug face. Not sure if that’s close enough for your purposes:

    Quoted from TRAMD:

    I want to kick Rian in his fucking smug face so bad. The film fan in me wants nothing more than for them to abolish this film as non-canon and make a new one.

    #1750 1 year ago
    Quoted from mrm_4:

    » YouTube video
    Ok flame suit on for the SJWs in the crowd. I’m not a misogynist in anyway but if you watch this and don’t agree that it makes the movie go from a 2 to 7.5 you’re Kathleen Kennedy.
    Watch the whole thing before you start bitching if you plan on crying about this. But the fact that there is so much agenda shoved down your throat in this movie that this opportunity even presented itself says something.
    Leia’s death scene done right.
    No porgs!
    No stupid humor!
    Practically no Rose!
    Casino scene gone!
    What a great movie!!!

    SJW for the win!

    #1754 1 year ago
    Quoted from mrm_4:

    » YouTube video
    The Last Jedi: Defeminized Fan Edit
    Ok flame suit on for the SJWs in the crowd. I’m not a misogynist in anyway but if you watch this and don’t agree that it makes the movie go from a 2 to 7.5 you’re Kathleen Kennedy.
    Watch the whole thing before you start bitching if you plan on crying about this. But the fact that there is so much agenda shoved down your throat in this movie that this opportunity even presented itself says something.
    Leia’s death scene done right.
    No porgs!
    No stupid humor!
    Practically no Rose!
    Casino scene gone!
    What a great movie!!!
    Same post twice just to carry it over to page 36. I wanna hear opinions on this and not have it lost because of the page break haha
    Watch it before it gets pulled!

    Echo echo echo

    #1760 1 year ago
    Quoted from jlm33:

    Finally watched TLJ.
    If only it was simply wasting 2:30 of my life... but it's far worse than that.
    Watched the original trilogy as a kid. I remember I was so frustrated to know I would have to wait for decades for the other 6 episodes.
    And now... this.

    Did you sleep through the prequels? Wise choice if so, but whatever you do don’t go back and watch them now!

    1 month later
    #1854 1 year ago

    I was just shopping for a Star Wars coloring book at Target, it is weird seeing Alden Ehrenreich's face pasted onto Han's body. Maybe I'll get used to it over time like we all have with James Bond. Still feels a little strange though.

    That said, I'm waiting anxiously to see if any regulars in this thread will dare to admit to seeing Solo in the theater. I'll probably wait for it to hit HBO/Netflix, still haven't made it to Infinity War and I'm seeing Deadpool 2 this week so it's probably not in the cards.

    #1857 1 year ago
    Quoted from kst8cat:

    I have no interest in seeing the Han Solo movie either, and I expect it to be terrible, but I don't agree with your analysis about the Falcon. Harrison Ford was 34 when they filmed Episode 4, so if Han is supposed to be 19 in this movie, then that is a span of 15 years, not seven as you suggest.

    He's supposed to be 19 in Solo?!? The new dude looks about as old as Ford did in Ep IV. Anyway I thought the thing with these "fill in" prequels was to predictably run right up to the first moments of Ep IV, so the last scene in Solo should be him settling in at a table in Mos Eisley Cantina. Next we'll get an Obi-Wan "day before" picture, and so on. I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait 'til they work their way down to Aunt Beru.

    #1873 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    YOU'RE argument has nothing to do with it, tons of arguments in here do though to which I was referring.
    Your argument, is that the movie sucked for some reasons which we all already all agree with so basically...actually I don't know what the shit you're end game is.

    And in conclusion ... he's going to Solo opening night.

    #1902 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    And if I see Lando rub Hans thigh with a gleam in his eye, I’m going to lose my shit.

    Good guess, but he’ll be rubbing Chewie’s thigh. He’d just as soon kiss a Wookiee ...

    #1937 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    they have to do Dr. Cornelius, the man is a legend with death sentences in 12 systems

    Fuck that guy, let's get Dr. Zaius in the mix.

    #1969 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    The most prevalent opinion is that a five month gap between SW movies was too close, and combined with crowded competition at the box office & a story that didn't really need to be told, so Solo was doomed form the start.

    Excuses two and three worked in my case (at least so far). I haven't lost my mind about TLJ and Disney's evil schemes to travel back in time to 1983 and retroactively ruin my Jedi-themed 5th birthday party. But I also don't care for the approach of filling in "gaps" in George Lucas' original storytelling that don't need any filling.* They put their screenwriters in the terrible position of writing toward a conclusion that everyone knows (gee, I wonder if Han and Chewie are going to survive this one), and if one of these "A Star Wars Story" films ever turns out great it will be a miracle. If it was a slow month maybe I'd have gone, but with Deadpool 2 out (it was great BTW, one too many slow-motion shootouts set to slow jams of the '70s but tons of laughs regardless) there was no way I was going to Solo last week.

    * I heard a clip on the radio the other day and apparently they discuss why Lando says "Han" different than everyone else in the galaxy, so there's probably 30 seconds of worthwhile backstory in there. Otherwise, they got nothing I need.

    #1993 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    That's 100% why Rose Tico, the worst SW character ever, was put in Episode 8. To appeal to the Chinese market. How'd that work out? Every studio today does this practice to some degree, with mixed results. You just have to look for it. And yes she is worse than JarJar & LE-E7.

    She's pretty lame, but worse than Jar Jar? You picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue.

    lloyd-bridges-on-glue (resized).jpg

    #2036 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Rian still thinks the majority of people liked the movie tho
    "On social media a few unhealthy people can cast a big shadow on the wall, but over the past 4 years I’ve met lots of real fellow SW fans," Johnson tweeted today. "We like & dislike stuff but we do it with humor, love & respect. We’re the VAST majority, we’re having fun & doing just fine."

    I read Rian’s post to mean not that the vast majority of SW fans liked his movie, but that the vast majority are not so terminally fucked that they find pleasure in stalking and harassing the people that made the film. Thankfully, I think he’s right on that point.

    #2045 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    either we bitch about this, or see you idiots put Colored bulbs in your GI's and tell you what idiots you are for doing so.

    We can most certainly do both!

    #2048 1 year ago

    Oh George, if only your talent for filmmaking hadn’t disappeared along with your neck ...

    #2059 1 year ago
    Quoted from TRAMD:

    This video is so spot on. I am sick and tired of hearing that not liking the abomination that is The Last Jedi means that you don't like strong female characters. This deflection is unacceptable. Rian Johnson made a turd of a movie. I wish Disney would acknowledge this and remove it from canon. I will note that the video unfortunately excluded the Jurassic Park/World series (remember that all of the dinosaurs are female) and Willow (the greatest women-are-badass movie of all time; sorry Aliens for your second place).

    100% agree, just because you think TLJ is crap doesn't mean you're sexist. And even if you are sexist, you could still hate TLJ for non-sexist reasons. Of course there are a number of very vocal critics of TLJ that spouted a bunch of sexist crap while panning the movie, and unfortunately they give the upstanding TLJ-haters a bad name. But it's poor form to assume that everyone that hates TLJ hates it solely because of the more prominent female characters.

    #2062 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    Agree also even superhero and mythological figures have a weakness. Heck the better heroes (little h) are like Frodo, Dorothy or Harry Potter who are not great and powerful but overcome their weaknesses.
    It’s just to me like the creators wanted to add woman characters and minimize male characters either for marketing or to push an alternative agenda.
    They deliberately turn their back on core audiences because the figure their super fans will pay either way and instead want to get the feminist and other audience.

    There are plenty of movies with intentionally strong female characters (i.e. movies made from a conscious "feminist" perspective) that are great. Even some in the action/fantasy/sci-fi genres. If someone has a beef with the TLJ filmmakers intentionally setting out to create strong leading female characters then that's pretty lame, there's plenty of room in the Star Wars universe for those characters. If someone has a beef with the way the TLJ film-makers went about attempting to achieve that goal (poor dialog and character development, blatant disregard for events in the prior film, etc.) then more power to them.

    #2065 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    More
    Upstanding TLJ hater? Aren't you the guy with the Porg t-shirt?

    Oh yes, an Xmas gift, my boys were greatly amused.

    I’m also the only guy in this thread that will admit to thinking the movie was “OK,” and am hence the resident super-fan. Doesn’t mean I think everyone that disagrees with me on the quality of the film is a nuckle-dragger though, there are lots of obviously flaws to be picked apart.

    #2074 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    It was rumored to be happening a few weeks ago, current rumor is that is has happened.
    From the wording I'm assuming she was "kicked upstairs" or assigned something else.

    Not seeing anything definitive popping up on Google, where are you guys looking? (Please tell me it's not filmgoblin.com ...)

    Whether or not she's fired the whole Paul Feig replacement rumor seems a little nuts, would Disney really want to pull him off of their number one cash cow given the run he's on? Unless he's sick of Marvel and wants a new universe to play in, I suppose.

    #2076 1 year ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    More
    I would conside myself a true fan and I would, like most fans, be quite content with a plausible story with quality characters. Not the turd that was the last jedi. Tfa wasnt much better.
    The prequels while full of faults still told a compelling story and had some interesting character arcs.
    The whole notio that true fans csnnot be pleased is horseshit buddy. We just want a good story... not too much to ask.

    I couldn’t be pleased by the prequels, they were utter garbage. I read recently that Lucas was intentionally mimicing the stilted dialog and delivery of 1930s movies, so the actors may have been less to blame than it seemed at the time (i.e. Lucas lost even more of his mojo than we thought).

    I’m a fan, and at this point I just want the SW movies to be fun. Prequels didn’t even try. TFA, despite its flaws, had it. TLJ has flashes of enjoyable stuff but too many cut corners and too much flab. Hopefully they’ll get back on track with Ep IX.

    #2079 1 year ago
    Quoted from bigdaddy07:

    At this point, the only way to save the franchise is to totally disavow TFA and the TLJ, forbid from selling or playing either one, burn all copies, and start over.

    If you're hoping Disney is going to disavow the top domestic box office movie of all time (#11 adjusted for inflation), prepare for bitter disappointment. You hated TFA, but why should they give a f#$k? Presumably Disney was a little disappointed with TLJ's box office, and very unhappy with Solo's take, but TFA was an epic cash cow and a critical success to boot, and no one's going to touch it.

    If you're holding out for a reboot, I'd suggest finding another franchise to follow and checking back with Star Wars in another 20 years.

    Quoted from bigdaddy07:

    If they are going to steal from the originals, do so in extreme moderation.

    TFA grossed $2 billion while cloning the Death Star from SW and ROTJ. The audience evidently wants more of the same forever, and I imagine that's a message Disney can live with.

    #2081 1 year ago
    Quoted from bigdaddy07:

    Just my opinion brother, I know big ole Disney doesn't care one cent about it, but I still have the right to express it. TFA benefited from the continued story opera effect of a very successful and highly anticipated film franchise. It was going to gross well no matter what came out. My feeling is that we will not see the same for the next film just like with Solo. Disney can go F-itself, as I'm done paying to see their crap and I know I 'm not alone on this, so NO not holding out for a reboot and YES I will find other stories to follow, thank you so very much for the excellent advice! --Mic dropped and kicked--

    Here's another pearl of wisdom: if you want to come off as "over it," don't kick the mic after you drop it. Sort of like punching the wall on the way out the door, satisfying in the short term but it kills your cool.

    #2093 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    My wife and kids saw The Incredibles 2 last night said they loved it. I’m interested to see what kind of numbers it does it’s already doubled the previous record for Thursday animated movie (Finding Dory).

    Nice, doing a Saturday matinee of Incredibles 2 with the wife and kids. Will be interesting to see if they can capture some of what made the first one so great.

    #2095 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Episode 9 is going to bomb too, meaning far less grosses than predicted. Wont even sniff $1B gross.

    That would be an epic failure. Solo bombing was a huge black eye for Disney, but I still wouldn't bet on a main-trilogy SW movie failing to gross $1 billion. If that actually happens, shit's going to hit the fan.

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Go ahead JJ. Put Jabba the Hutt's son in there.

    Low blow. JJ may have ripped off Lucas in TFA, but at least he had the good taste to rip off good Lucas from the first three films, not evil Lucas from the prequels after he decided that what Star Wars was really lacking was Lil' Vader and Lil' Bobba Fett.

    Although come to think of it, "Jabba: The College Years: A Star Wars Story" could be very topical, I'll bet Jabba engaged in some serious hazing at his fraternity.

    #2097 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Apparently you haven't heard the latest rumor. Comes from a shill garbage website, but I see it happening.
    https://movieweb.com/star-wars-9-scene-leak/

    Yikes! Here's what that says:

    Reddit user 4LOM says that there's a scene in Star Wars 9 that features Finn, Poe Dameron, and Rose Tico. In addition, DJ is back in the fold and is apparently "just as shady as ever," but he's reportedly in deep with the Hutt family. The new leader of the Jabba the Hutts' crime family is Rotta, Jabba's son, and the new scene features the trio together, dining with the Hutt Cartel, which has been compared to the dining scene in The Temple of Doom. It isn't clear if they will be eating monkey brains in Star Wars 9 though.

    Also, if they're reduced to stealing from Temple of Doom then we're in for a real treat

    #2100 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Fun fact TOD is 589% better than TLJ

    When did you last watch TOD? We went back and saw it immediately after the disgraceful Crystal Skull, and it ain’t pretty. If you’re going to steal from Dr. Jones, go Raiders or Crusade.

    Although even here, Lucas may have paved the way:
    Short Round —> Baby Vader —> Baby Fett?

    #2105 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Temple of Doom is awesome.

    I like you but you’re crazy.

    Quoted from benheck:

    Now Rocketeer, that's a movie that doesn't hold up. (and should be remade)

    I’d be onboard - haven’t seen it since the drive-in but love that Art Deco vibe.

    #2124 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I’ve yet to see Solo but I think the idea is people are skipping it not because of burn out or because it’s a bad film but moreso because of TLJ was so bad. Heck The Hobbit movies were horrible and yet they all made nearly $1B each.
    But TLJ was really “the last straw” for many.

    Speaking only for myself, I skipped Solo because I'm not in love with the whole "spin-off prequel" movie concept, the previews looked pretty middling and reviews confirmed it, and there were other things out at the time that I wanted to see more (Deadpool 2). I wouldn't say I'm suffering from "Star Wars fatigue" but I'd probably have gone to Solo if it was the first Star Wars offering in ten years. As is I'll catch Solo on streaming for sure, I didn't avoid it on principle and I'm open to the idea that I may love it -- or hate it. But from what I've seen and heard, it's probably just mediocre.

    On that topic, I'm not sure how you'd tabulate "protest non-viewers" vs. "general lack of interest non-viewers." It's obvious how that breaks down in this thread, but less obvious in the wider world. Maybe Disney has some relevant data and modeling, but I doubt they'd publicize it.

    #2126 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    I think that Lucas Film need to change tack and put their focus on a new Old Republic Trilogy. That way it will kind of be a re-boot of the franchise, or more like a prequel without all the trappings of story line interference. They can then map out a proper new saga, with fully fleshed out character arcs, continuity between movies and a long term vision. That, IMO, is the only way that they will be able to try and emulate the kind of success Marvel has with its franchise (Or the success of the original trilogy).

    I'm on board, setting it thousands of years in the past takes off the artificial (and drama-sapping) constraint of writing toward a conclusion that everyone already knows by heart. If done right, they could make something cool and new that still has that "Star Wars" feel. Plus they could steal ideas from the comics, KTOR video games, etc. as they see fit, without being tied down to any of the continuity developed there over the years (some of which is cool, of course, and some of which is stupid). Maybe after Episode IX they'll move in that direction. Or they could have two trilogies going at once, one in the Old Republic and one going forward in time, alternating years. That's still a whole lot of Star Wars, but I'd like it better than the "A Star Wars Story" model they're working now.

    #2133 1 year ago
    Quoted from Darscot:

    Just read all Star Wars Story movies have been put on hold so they can focus on IX and a new trilogy. So both Obi-Wan and Boba Fett have been canned. At this point they might as well drop IX as well, the whole story line is pointless. Just start over with a whole new trilogy with new characters. Man did they fuck up this franchise.

    If it's true this is big news, and hopefully means they'll slow their roll a bit and tighten up the product. Here's the original story:
    http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold#images

    #2146 1 year ago
    Quoted from bigdaddy07:

    I've got it! Just have the opening scene show Luke waking up from the terrible nightmare that was TLJ and move on from there, as if it never happened.

    Hey, I pitched this concept a few months back, if Disney's following this thread maybe it'll get some traction:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/spoilers-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-really-bad-spoilers/page/32#post-4302090

    #2148 1 year ago
    Quoted from girloveswaffles:

    They'll have to do so much "repair work" for the story in Episode 9 that it will probably end up like this:
    Episode 9 part 1
    Episode 9 part 2 six months later.

    George RR Martin Style. Except part two takes six years instead of six months.

    #2158 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    So I guess another SWJ theme for Solo

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I still think they are in denile that their leftist SWJ trilogy is a train complete wreck.

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Push KK out to promote another SWJ to head Lucasfilm? I read those articles about Hart before. They'll be playing with fire if they go that route.

    I think the term you're looking for is "SJW." Unless there's another acronym percolating up on the snowflakeweb that I've missed out on. Or maybe your iPhone is f*%king with you, in which case a tip of the hat to Apple.

    That aside, it's a little hard to believe they'd replace someone of Kennedy's experience with someone like Hart that's apparently never even been a lead producer. If Disney's spooked by Solo's performance and decide to shake things up they'll go conservative -- not politically of course, but as with the directors they're going to want someone at the top with a long producing track-record, preferably including a big franchise or two, to reassure the shareholders that their very expensive cash cow is in good hands.

    And just to show that my money's where my mouth is, if I'm wrong and Hart lands Kennedy's job, I'll break down and wear that Porg shirt I got for Christmas.

    #2166 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    we may get a real professional edit one day, where all the BS is cut out, who knows

    That's where fan-edits come in. A professional film editor took a whack at turning the nine hour, three movie dumpster fire that was Peter Jackson's Hobbit, trimmed it down to a decent four hour film. Fans will surely do the same with TLJ once it's out on Bluray. Of course if your main beef is with continuity (with TFA and whatever the next one will be) that's tricky. If you cut it so Luke lives but he shows up as a force ghost in Ep. IX that's tough to edit around. But some thoughtful snipping could make serious improvements, there's easily 30 mins of fat in the theatrical cut (95% of the casino/horse racing, for instance). Plus if they release deleted scenes, those can sometimes be worked into fan edits in cool ways.

    #2168 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    been out for a hot minute

    There you go, there are probably fan edits out already then!

    #2170 1 year ago

    What could have been ...

    GEORGE LUCAS' STAR WARS EPISODES 7-9 WOULD HAVE EXPLORED MIDI-CHLORIANS AND THE "MICROBIOTIC WORLD"

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/18/george-lucas-star-wars-episodes-7-9-would-have-explored-midi-chlorians-and-the-microbiotic-world

    #2182 1 year ago

    I hadn't looked in months, but the results in the poll on this thread are interesting. Not what I would have expected based on the ratio of love/hate in the comments. Maybe Disney's + vote-bots were accidentally directed here instead of to rotten tomatoes.

    #2186 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Considering people are willing to pledge millions of dollars to remake TLJ... That should tell you all you need to know.

    All I said was that the poll results here legitimately surprised me based on the comments in this thread. I assume they surprise you too, unless your take is that the plurality of people were at least OK with TLJ?

    To respond to your point though, non-binding digital “commitments” for contingencies everyone knows will never, ever happen aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. It was a fun gimmick to express displeasure with TLJ in a relatively “positive” fashion, but I hope no one is taking it seriously as something that could actually happen.

    #2188 1 year ago
    Quoted from Deaconblooze:

    The 3.9g version is working, fyi.

    So how is it?

    #2192 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Polls are generally meaningless IMHO, money is where the rubber hits the road. Too many ways to cheat or manipulate a poll, the comments are far more telling.

    But there’s no “money” here. Just a non-binding pledge to provide money if Disney suddenly gets super-chill about their IP. Which makes it more like a one-option poll.

    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I could create several accounts and mask my IP and vote several times, why bother?

    I agree, that would be pointless. But do you really think that’s what’s happened here? The bigger issue with a poll like this is who stumbles into the thread and who bothers to vote.

    #2195 1 year ago

    You have to love Mark Hamill, he must be a fun interview. Also an interesting read about his method acting, Luke as a disillusioned hippie.

    #2204 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    11) Luke drops the lightsaber, instead of tossing it

    Ugh, so now he's just clumsy? Not sure that's a great improvement, at least there was some intentionality to him tossing it, if he just drops it, it's like she flew half way across the universe to pass the baton back to a butter-fingers that's no longer capable of wielding it.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    cut chewie chewing on porgs please

    I'd actually be up for even more of that if they've got deleted scene footage (maybe cut to him casually eating Porg again the next night). Thought it was pretty funny, imagine if they'd fried up an Ewok in ROTJ.

    #2211 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi
    Critics Consensus: Star Wars: The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy while adding some surprising twists -- and delivering all the emotion-rich action fans could hope for.
    91% vs 46%
    Who is closer to being correct? The critics who gave TLJ a 91% or the fans who gave it 46%
    Going back to my first point, money meeting the road.
    Star Wars fans crushed Solo for at least 2 reasons. One was a movie that did not need to be made and to punish Disney for making the poop show T.L.J.
    Polls and critics can be manipulated, 91% fresh.

    I'll confess, you've lost me. My point was that the poll results in this thread are surprising in light of the fact that most posters here seem to have disliked the movie. As in, I'm genuinely surprised that 67% of people that bothered to vote rated it "decent" or better. And yes, online polls and critics can be manipulated. But I feel easy assuming that no one created an account on a pinball website to vote in an off-topic poll, or was strong-armed by Disney into voting as they did.

    #2220 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    It’s because it says “better than the prequels”, which were also hot garbage.

    Fair point, there are miles of room between “better than the prequels” and “decent.”

    #2223 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    really?
    Does it have the alien milk drinking scene? I know Lucas/SW likes to put odd aliens in the movies, but this was just ridiculous.
    I actually didn't mind Poe's "You Momma" jokes half as much as some of the folks, but the progs and many alien creatures on the island were just stupid.

    Ya been trolled. Netflix and Disney may be breaking up, but Netflix isn’t at the “making bitter mixtapes” stage just yet.

    #2244 1 year ago
    Quoted from Captain-Flint:

    I liked it a lot... Far better than anything the Prequels gave us. Plus I found it refreshing that the movie ditched the same cliche Star Wars tropes everyone here loves so much.

    Careful Cap’n, that kind of talk will earn you the Black Spot around here

    #2256 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    That was a terrible cock-tease they put in TLJ. They showed his x-wing under the water and did NOTHING with it.

    I assume that shot was there so you’d think he actually cleaned himself up and hopped in the X-Wing for the final showdown.

    #2279 1 year ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    A clumsy way of explaining different levels of Force sensitivity, and certainly no one's favorite plot point.
    Still doesn't even approach the level of character assassination from the new films.

    Midichlorians were Lucas’ attempt to assasinate the entire cool, mystical universe built up in the OT. If you find yourself making excuses for midichlorians, it’s time to take a long look in the mirror. You don’t have to like the new stuff to admit that Lucas went off the rails long, long ago.

    #2292 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    All of that is totally meaningless compared to nearly instantaneous travel and conquering and completely subjugating the entire galaxy in twenty minutes.

    Even if you are correct that TLJ is the worst movie of all time, it does not follow that the prequels were not also dogsh*t. They were.

    1 week later
    #2314 1 year ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Oh yeah! I can see Lando going out in Episode 9 by smashing the Falcon into something with Nien Nunb back in the copilot chair. Right before the crash have Lando say "yeah baby!", cut to Nien Nunb doing his Return of the Jedi laugh and then epic explosion as the Falcon smashes into say Kylos capital ship. For Han and Leia!

    They’ll Thelma and Louise it! I’m sold.

    #2319 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was pretty sad. No one wants to be geriatric Indy who gets married.

    All too true!

    #2324 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    HAHAHA!
    What are you going to threaten me with? Another bad movie?
    Be my guest.
    Edit: The directors utterly impotent rage is hilarious and the fact they are out in public flapping gums tells me Disney has still NOT GOTTEN THE MESSAGE and locked down all social media related to Star Wars. It is like watching a horror movie where the actress is reaching for the door handle to open the door and you are screaming "DON'T DO IT YOU'RE GOING TO DIE".. and they open the door anyway. And die.
    Just like the Star Wars franchise.

    Is there a link to the story? I’m just seeing gifs.

    #2326 1 year ago

    Thanks for the link. To be clear it’s a different SW director talking there about “consequences” (the guy who is supposedly making the Bobba Fett movie). I see his point though, I’m not sure who’d be jazzed about jumping in to direct future SW movies given all the hoopla and the polarized fan base. Though the millions in pay will probably still be a strong incentive...

    1 week later
    #2331 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/rian-johnson-deletes-tweets
    This is a rather interesting twist, one wonders if any past tweets will surface in the next few weeks?
    That is a lot of twitter history to delete.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    haha, i would assume his new trilogy will get the axe regardless of what his tweets contained tho. that is a massive amount of tweets to delete tho, holy cow.

    Maybe Disney canning James Gunn from Guardians for ancient Twitter crimes has him nervous?

    #2334 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    i mean, that is the implication of the article.

    Oh yeah look at that, right there in the headline (I didn't click through to the article, just saw gdonovan's screen caps).

    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Then just nuke your account from orbit.
    Deleting a bunch of posts looks highly suspicious to say the least. If you just shut down the whole account you can at least claim "I'm being harassed" or some other plausible excuse.

    All wasted effort at this point I'm sure, someone's got his tweets archived and if there's dirt in there it'll come out. Maybe Disney just told him to knock if off as his various twitter fights aren't the kind of SW publicity they want going forward. If so that's a shame, as I find it all amusing, but multinational conglomerates have a way of sucking the fun out of everything!

    #2344 1 year ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    Wow. I just can’t imagine a big time director could post such stuff for all to see. Surprised it took so long for people to notice.

    It is a little surprising he left it out there. Less surprising no one noticed it, who looks at six year old tweets?

    #2346 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    People are putting 2+2 together and starting to investigate.

    Disney firing the dude for those tweets makes perfect sense, they're a very conservative company (corporate-culture wise, not politically) and stuff that a shock jock or gonzo comedian might get away with isn't going to fly at Disney.

    The people "putting 2+2 together and starting to investigate" bit is what's funny. Doing deep research in the Twitter archives seems like a pretty lame hobby, that stuff is vapid enough when it's fresh. But I guess we all need something to keep ourselves busy.

    #2357 1 year ago