I liked it a lot... Far better than anything the Prequels gave us. Plus I found it refreshing that the movie ditched the same cliche Star Wars tropes everyone here loves so much.

My number one happiest moment was when Rey turned out to be her own person and not the Daughter of Kenobi, Palpatine, Rodger Rabbit, or Solo. I love it, it makes the Universe seem big again.

And who cares about Snoke? Why did people think he was such an important character? The Emperor had like 15 lines in all three movies of the OT. And 12 were in ROTJ.

Again, Snoke wasn't considered to be this super villian. Kylo was. And again, I found that refreshing.

I dont understand this at all... Like Lightsaber battles where that big a thing in the OT? Hell the prequel lightsaber battles were such shit, just over rehearsed bull crap that felt so fake and pointless.

At least in ROTJ the battle had a lot of emotional weight to it. I think they tried to recreate it with the Royal guard battle in TLJ but that emotional baggage wasn't there. It was just slightly above the prequels in my opinion because it did have at least some emotion behind it, and didn't seem so rehearsed.

Still leagues better than anything from the prequels.

Just an opinion guys. Been a fan since the early eighties. The OT is still the best. The rest suck, this one to me just sucks a little less.

Come on, there were no silly xplooshuns. Not since the Prequels.

That's not bad. Better fight than most of the Lightsaber stuff.

They showed it was destroyed... how is that a tease?

Dude, C3PO was made by Vader, who is the father of the only Jedi supposedly in the universe and a Princess who was a leader in the rebellion. A Rebellion which fought against Vader. R2D2 Helped Padme/Queen Amidala survive some trade federation blockade, and just stuck around for the next 7 movies. Oh and Padme is the mother of Luke and Leia because she banged Anakin who turns out to be Vader. Should I continue? Okay, Yoda just so happens to train Dooku who turns evil and leads the Separatists who also helped train Qui-gon, who trained Obi, who trained Anakin. So in a way Yoda was instrumental in finding and training Anakin.

The more you actually put thought into these movies, you will see that they handcuff the Star Wars Universe. It really is a very small scope when you consider that this is supposed to encompass an entire universe with hundreds of worlds. Yet we can't seem to tell a story without putting a damn Skywalker in there! That is part of the reason I never wanted Rey to be a Kenobi or god help me a Skywalker.

I will say this about the treatment of Luke,

I think Rian Johnson was kind of screwed from the get go. He had to come up with a reason why JJ (in all of his infinite wisdom) decided to abandon Luke on an island in TFA. If Luke was anything like the books and expanded universe, he would have been able to get off that island instantly. If you think about it the only thing Rian could do was make Luke into a grumpy man who has lost faith and refused to fight against the First Order. Is this ideal? No, I would have loved to have old Luke out there trying to help his friends. But JJ kind of wrote Rian into a corner. Luke should have been involved in TFA.

I did think that Rian was very smart on how he approached Luke's turn from Grump to savior. I could see why Luke would not at all be happy with how the Jedi Order acted. I was mad watching the prequels... Anakin trying to get help from Yoda and Yoda was like... tough cookies young one. Let your wife die. It's the Jedi way. And how one man (Palpatine) could completely take control right under the noses of all these master Jedi. It just sucks. And that whole rule of 2 they came up with for the prequels really sucked too. I mean would it not have been a far better trilogy if hundreds of Jedi Masters had to battle hundreds of followers of the Sith order?

I am totally off track with my original point. The main problem so far with this trilogy is that there really isn't any cohesiveness. And unfortunately that will also spill into the next movie, since Rian also ended this movie in a corner. I am glad JJ will take over for the third movie, so he can deal with the mess he made.

But very little of that interesting political intrigue was shown. All we saw was bright lights and shallow battles with no real context. The majority of the movie was about Anakin moping around.

And it seemed like Palpatine destroyed the whole Jedi order in 20 minutes. So there is a theme between the prequels and the new movies.

I agree with you that the current trilogy was supposed to be something new. But I am not sure if you remember or not, but i remember a lot of drama from the fans about bringing back the cast from the OT. I don't think that was the original plan by Disney. But the fans wanted to see Han and Luke and Leia... hell I know I did. But because of this the fans handcuffed the new trilogy before it even started shooting. How do you balance the original characters with new characters? How do you kill off the old characters without the fanbase losing their minds?

Again JJ ruined this from the get go. He brought back the Empire, the rebels are still sporting X-wings, Leia is still doing the same shit, Admiral Ackbar is still a god damn Admiral (after how many years). JJ remade A New Hope, and everyone loses their minds that it's the same old same old. The Last Jedi flips the script and makes ballsy decisions on a new direction for Star Wars to take and everyone Loses their minds that it's out of character. As far as I can tell the Fanboys will never be happy.

I had to step away from this thread, peoples feelings where getting hurt... lol. I thought I was in the minority because I didn't think the Last Jedi was garbage. Now I am so glad the poll on this thread shows that the people who do think this was garbage are the vocal minority. My faith was restored!

This just shows me how much damage the Prequels did on this franchise.

Nope, I am okay with the results. The prequels suck no doubt but the question was Garbage or better than the prequels... With all the hate on this thread you would think Garbage would be running away with this.

What? 342 think it's decent or better???? Which I would put up against "Garbage". Listen, you started a thread and you clearly think this movie is garbage, and that is okay. It is after all just a movie. I still think the new movies are better than the prequels and I would put them up against Return of the Jedi any day. Star Wars and Empire blow all of the movies (from ROTJ to Solo) away. Nothing this thread has shown is going to change your mind about TLJ clearly. And that is okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion just let me have mine.

Actually, I just can't help myself!!!! lol.... all in good fun Infinatelives

Exhibit A:
So at the beginning the First Order tracks down the Rebels, yadda yadda yadda, then they TRACK THEM THROUGH LIGHT SPEED / HYPERSPACE
and everyone is like, wow that is impossible! but they never deavle into the details of just how that was pulled off. stupid.

*They actually mention this in Rogue One when they are looking up plans for the Death Star and they find a file regarding the Empires work on Tracking through Hyperspace. So It checks... Even though it is a throw away line.

Exhibit B:
The Rey with Luke stuff was pretty blah. Just was. Nothing really came out of it.

* I agree, it sucks to see Luke the way he is but that is how JJ wrote it in an odd way. Why JJ decided to have Luke hiding out on some secret little island at the end of The Force Awakens kind of paints Rian in a corner. I probably would have done something better with Luke, but Rian went a different direction. So I will give you this point.

EDIT: EXHIBIT C1: How could I forget about this one haha. When the rebel ships bridge gets blown up and Leia is floating in space, instead of freezing to death, running out of O2, or whatever would actually happen, she used the force to float back to an entrance of the ship and get back in. I was in disbelief at how bad that scene was.

*Easily the worst part of the movie for me... Cringe Worthy!

Exhibit C2:
The whole Finn and, I think Rose?, going to some Casino town to get help was not great. I feel like they only added this stuff to check off the box of weird animals and puppet aliens. Then they meet some random guy who is going to be their code breaker who betrays them and it all just seemed so forced.

*Not great. I get it, they are trying to show evil in a different light... but the scene was too long, and I hated those dumb creatures they rode on. Reminded me of those awful prequels. I will give you that one too...

BONUS WTF MOMENT:
They try and go to Maz for help. Like why? what is her role.

*She is older than Yoda, knows a ton of shit.

Exhibit D:
Snoke! Like What the actual F&^K. He is the Supreme Leader. He tapped into the force to get Rey and Kylo to see and talk to each other. No back story on who he is/was and how he came to power. Super powerful in the force then gets cleaved in halve without ever fighting. We see a glimpse of his power with some lightning he jams at Kylo and that is it. Like what was the point of his existence other than to be "bad guy number 1" He was super strong with the force so he had to be around during 4,5,6 days but just nothing about his back story and hes gone. LAME

*dude... come on. The emperor had even less back story and he ran the entire Empire. We got nothing from him. Why did you expect that Snoke was going to have this crazy backstory? They will probably do a book or something, so If you really care you could probably check it out. Or maybe they do what they did with the Emperor and just give him a prequel trilogy explaining how Snoke took power. But this is NOT his movie.

Exhibit E:
Speaking of being really strong in the force. Kylo stopped a blaster bullet in mid air in episode 7. Then in the fight with the elite guards after Snoke was killed he doesnt even use a single force push or choke or anything. You would think this kid could crush skulls with his mind. meh

*Pretty cool when he stopped the blaster shot mid air... But I thought that fight scene was awesome. Plus didn't we see enough bad guys get pushed around in those shitty prequels? Better question, how many times did Vader or Luke force push anyone in the Original Trilogy?

Exhibit F:
Oh, the whole "Rey, your parents come from nothing, just a bunch of junk finders." Way to kill another plot point.

*I loved loved loved that she is her own person! I love that she is special. Not her lineage! I love that she isn't a Kenobi, or Skywalker, or Solo, or Santa Claus. She has power, she always did, she is a survivor. It was never a plot point. She was ditched in The Force Awakens and youtube had to fill in some content and made a big deal about who her parents are. Fuck her parents! Let her be her own person. This Universe is Huge, how small would it have been if she was related to someone we already knew?

Exhibit G:
Well, so Force Ghost Yoda comes and visits Luke to give some advice. If they are going to use Force Ghosts and Vader came back to the Light Side as a force ghost, why wouldnt he just tell Kylo to quit being a D bag. But that is not related to this movie. What is questionable is that Yoda blows up the Jedi teachings, but alas, at the end we see Rey had taken all the old texts. Like Yoda and Luke couldnt sense that or what? Whatever.

*Yoda knew she took them... It was just an old tree. What is the issue? And we really don't know much about Force Ghosts and who mastered it enough to appear when they want, etc. Obiwan and Yoda are the only ones that seem to be able to do it at will. We saw Anakin at the end of Jedi, but I have no idea if he can just summon himself at will. It was kind of explained in the Prequels that Quigon learned the skill, and passed it to Yoda who passed it to Obiwan. Not sure how Anakin became a ghost at the end of Jedi, that is a mistake on Jedi's part not LTJ.

Exhibit H:
Why not have droid manned ships just light speed thru all the star destoryers, or heck, the death star, anything really and blow them up. slippery slope.

*This was explained in the expanded universe. I didn't get into reading about all that, but there is some excuse as to why they don't do that every time. I think it had to do with that particular ships special shields... I don't know. I'll give it to you though.

Exhibit I:
The part of the movie that I thought was the best was Luke projecting himself in front of Kylo and that whole fight/exchange. Super cool to finally see some of Lukes ultimate power. Oh wait, then he died right after. lame.

*Hey man, it killed him. He knew he was sacrificing himself to become a Legend and to help restart the resistance. I thought it was cool.

Sprinkle in some bad jokes for laughs and what not. bravo. made a star wars worse than the prequels.

*Some jokes admittedly were bad. But at least I didn't have to listen to 2 and a half hours of battle droids going "Rodger Rodger" and "Ouch" when they got hit by a light sabre.

I probably will never watch this episode again, and for sure not going to see the next one at a midnight showing. Very disappointing

EDIT: added these things to first post so all my rage is listed here:

Addendum 1: Ending episode 7 on a cliff hanger with Rey anding Luke his lightsabre, then Luke tossing it over his shoulder for a cheap laugh in E8
*He wasn't into it I guess.... I wanted him to say after she hands him the lightsabre... "Hey there was a hand with this... you didn't see it did you?"

Addendum 2: Showing Chewie eating those cute little critters for no reason, kinda messed up to portray a beloved character that way.
*He didn't eat them... he felt guilty. But come on. He is a damn Wookie... the same beast that would rip your arms out of your socket if you looked at him wrong, or if you beat him in a game. He is supposed to be a badass... not a wuss.

Addendum 3: Just a terrible plot device as "running out of gas" as being the big event that is causing all the turmoil.

*Hey that is what they went with... the resistance almost dying out. Desperate... etc. I don't think it worked on the screen as much as it probably worked in the script. But I didn't hate it.

Addendum 4:If they are just tracking the main ship, uh duh, warp to hyperspace in the other ships and stay alive and save your fleet. derrr

*That is a great point, if they had the fuel than yep. I like that idea. I will give you that one.

Addendum 5: Do the knights of ren even exist in this story anymore?

*Another JJ mystery box item. You have to remember JJ loves putting all sorts of plot holes purposely without the intention of actually answering all of the questions. Remember Lost? Just more questions... every damn season.. more questions.... then he throws a damn polar bear in for fun... stupid.

Addendum 6: The entire start of Ep 7 is about the map fragment to find Luke, who doesnt want to be found cause he has a sweet spear fishing spot with fresh, non-pasteurized alien tit milk all to himself!

*He just doesn't want to be the hero... He read the texts and learned about the Jedi Order and how shitty they actually were. So he's a Jedi who grew disenchanted with the Jedi Order. Renounced his faith. Decided to die on that little spit of land because it reminded him of home with the two suns. He found peace. He wanted the Jedi order to end. And he was the last Jedi.

Anyway that was my two cents... I can see we have crazy different views. I assume you were a fan of the Prequels which I think ended up almost killing Star Wars. But to each his own.

I am 37 years old, I grew up with the Original Movies. I have watched them so many damn times... plus I have seen all the prequels in the theater (something I am not proud of). But I think the main reason why I liked TLJ was the fact that they surprised me. I had not been surprised from a Star Wars movie since I first sat down and watched the Original movies. The prequels were not cleverly written, and I really had a hard time getting into them. I hated how small the Universe felt. I hated that Vader made C3PO. Stuff like that closed off the Universe for me.

So TLJ had some pretty great parts I never saw coming.

Rey not being a Palpatine or anyone we knew. That was refreshing to me!

Luke not being the hero at first. Then when R2D2 showed to original clip from ANH with Leia, I damn near cried! I thought that was super cool.

I liked they brought back the puppet Yoda from Empire. That was a great touch! It was great to see Yoda and Luke interact again!

I liked that Poe kept messing up... and that he isn't a perfect leader YET....

I liked the dynamic of Rey and Kylo. If it was an unoriginal story, and followed the Star Wars troupes Kylo would have been turned by Rey after killing Snoke. But he resisted. He isn't a Sith, but he isn't a good guy either. That interests me. This story may end with Kylos death.

I liked that the Skywalker story ended. I know I know... It is sad. But I feel like it could open up the Universe a bit and we could get new original Stories.

Fin and Rose whole plot sucked. I agree. They really botched Fins character. And the Romance was killed, I have no idea if Fin likes Rey or Rose or Poe? No idea. That is one thing I miss a bit. Because the OT was really rounded out by Han and Leia's romance.

I thought it was ballsy to kill Snoke.

I thought the end with the kid opened up the Universe and allows us to get new Force users and new heros.

Minus the bad Joke in the very beginning I liked the opening space battle.

I loved the Throne Room battle, I think it was shot beautifully and I loved how Kylo and Ren worked together.

I though DJ's character was wasted, but I hope he is in the new movie. I like some scoundrel in my Star Wars. We didn't get enough in the Prequels

I hated BB8's rescue when he hopped in an ATST. What ever.

I liked that Kylo didn't want to kill his Mother, and I thought they wasted a huge opportunity for Kylo to SAVE Leia when she got sucked out into space rather than Leia Mary Poppin it back to the ship.

I liked Lukes duel with Kylo

I liked those bad ass ATAT's on that salt planet... actually I loved everything about that ground battle.

I got goosebumps when Rey "Moved Rocks" to save everyone. Now they see her power, and now we have a new Legend to emerge. She went from just a scavenger to the savior. Kind of reminded me of Neo at the end of the first Matrix.

Oh and Leia and Lukes reunion.. was great. Would have loved to see Luke and Han have a moment in TFA but that never happend.

Speaking of TFA, I dislike that movie more than TLJ. Because it was a remake of ANH. It wan't original and I really couldn't have been less pleased with how that movie turned out. I saw everything coming a mile away. I guess that is why I liked TLJ. I was surprised quite a bit.

Those were just off the top of my head. I hope it made sense. Go easy on the downvotes guys I am sensitive, and we are just talking movies.

@Infinatelives I like your style man! Keep up the good fight!

Lando will back them up.... and that wasn't all of the resistance. They still had some pockets of fighters. All I know the next movie's plot entirely depends on the timeline. To make any sensible movie there has to be a time jump a few years after TLJ. Where the Resistance has grown the the first order has faltered (they kind of hint a power struggle between Kylo and that nazi dude).

It will be interesting to see where they take this though, I agree with you there.

Leia is still a Skywalker, and she technically did not die in that movie universe. So I guess they have to find a way using old footage to kill her off. I guess... eh.

I know... I also spoke on these points earlier. Just saying the fanbase hasn't 100% turned on the franchise. In fact lots say the hard core fanbase is what is ruining Star Wars.

https://www.highsnobiety.com/p/star-wars-fans-toxic/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/06/08/star-wars-toxic-fans-kelly-marie-tran-last-jedi-ghostbusters-oceans-8-incredibles/#81a4c76522a1
http://observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/

I agree to a certain extent some of the people online are hurting the franchise. I don't believe it is possible to make a movie that pleases everyone. And you have to admit, what high caliber Director wants to put his reputation at stake to make a movie that will surely incite rage from the fanatics? At this point the entire situation is toxic. You can't make a movie for the kids, you can't make a movie too close to the originals, you can't make a different type of movie, you cant make a movie about an existing character, and you cant make a movie about a character no one recognizes.

Star Wars is held too dear. It's become a way of life to some, even close to a religion. I for one just want to get some enjoyment out of them without taking a movie about space wizards too serious.

I agree with the Leia thing... I read they are using old footage and not recasting nor doing CGI for Carrie Fisher. I have no idea how they will make her characters death powerful using just old footage. They lost a perfect opportunity in TLJ for sure.

Character Development has been great for Rey, okay for Poe, and they crapped the bed for Fin. In my opinion.

From Junk Collector to becoming a leader. Anyone that says she is a Mary Sue forgets about Luke in A New Hope... They guy in one movie goes from flying his little T-16 bulls-eyeing swamp rats to Piloting a Fighter and being one of the only survivors of the Battle of Yavin, oh yeah and blowing up the Death Star but whatever.

We don't have to agree. I just thought Rey's development is far better than Poe or Finn... Finns has been god awful.

Lol... it is all good... It's all in fun anyway. Can't take these movies too seriously. Like the previous poster said, this isn't Citizen Kane we are talking about.

I agree with this... JJ screwed this from the start... remaking ANH in TFA and really painting this trilogy into a corner. I too can't wait for this trilogy to end so we end this madness.

I still don't think it's possible to make a Star Wars movie all fans will like. Take what enjoyment you can out of them. I stand behind my opinion about TLJ, I thought there were a lot of great scenes that I really really enjoyed. Enjoyment I havn't felt since the OT. But that is only one mans opinion. Thanks for hearing me out even though it seems I am on an island here, drinking milk from some fucking lazy purple cows tit.