I agree with most of your points. Killing Luke off after he was a badass, poor choice. Leia not dying in space, poor choice.

This movie ruined all of the questions posed by TFA. JJ Abrams knows how to HYPE movies to the max. Jury is still out on if he makes good movies or not.

There should be two types of movie ratings entertainment rating and overall movie ratings

The Last Jedi was entertaining but not a well done, good movie. Similar to Jurassic World. Entertaining but not a good movie.

Wrong! Don't y'all see? Tony sees the empire as the future & joins it! He builds a new, improved, iron man death star suit.

Or they could make a good movie with a good plot and no one would complain. The problem with The Force Awakens & The Last Jedi is they are not good movies. Their characters are boring & the plots are bad. Disney had a chance to make some very compelling movies based on the expansive star wars history but they didn't. Star wars is officially dead. It's in the same pantheon as Jurassic Park & Transformers.

Well worth the hour long play time. Hahahaha. What a puke movie, made by puke people.

Damn! That sums the article up nicely. Great contribution kvan99.

And the sound track was amazing!

They lost all momentum. I and everyone I know don't care one bit about star wars. It's dead. RIP. In comparison I'm reading ever bullshit fan theory about avengers 4. I did the same thing for the last Jedi. That movie is a turd. Rian Johnson is dead to me.

Episode one brought us pod racing and Darth maul. Both equally awesome. Remember being angry with Jar Jar, leads to hate, and we all know where that ends up...

Imo that's where the prequels went wrong. They should have brought Maul back in episode two with his robot legs. Ep2 could have been about Kenobi trying to stop maul and avenge his teacher all the while neglecting Anakin and not seeing his love for padame.

In ep3 Maul could have attacked the Jedi council and been killed by Anakin.

Sure general grevious was cool but don't get me started on count Duku. Maul would have worked in all three episodes

The Force Awakens was not a good film in my opinion but it opened the sequel up for a ton of possibilities & hype. Now Star Wars is dead. TLJ made the old heroes of the universe look like senile idiots. When we first see Yoda he's 60% crazy. He's lost his mind which is acceptable because it's when we first meet him. In the prequels, we see Yoda again and realize, oh this dude was a badass back in the day before the shit hit the fan & he exiled himself and went crazy. Luke, Leia, & Han are great characters with charisma and we are drawn to them. In TFA & TLJ, Luke, Leia, & Han are represented as people who have changed too much from their original characters. It's like they got on the galactic health care plan & were prescribe really bad meds... Add in forgettable set pieces & characters ala Snoke, Fantasma, Hux, Maz, Benecio Del Toro, the old guy in TFA who Kylo Ren kills in the beginning.

You'll have to tell me about it. I won't be watching episode 9. Star Wars is dead and nothing with the exception of time travel, actual time travel, will change anything.

The hype machine is behind Marvel currently. I'm sure we'll see an ep9 trailer soon. The anticipation is gone for most of us though.

When I first saw the At-Ats I thought Damn that's cool & of course they would have ground machines. That scene was new but wasn't out of the ordinary for the world.

Disney messed up plain and simple. it's over for star wars, damaged irreparably. If the stories were well thought out, Disney could have closed out the skywalker story arc, made us care about Poe, Finn, & Rey, & launched another trilogy with only their characters. I knew Rian Johnson F*&^ed it all up when the opening scene took place immediately after TFA. He took the suspense & awe out of seeing the characters after time had passed.

Give it another week. If you haven't seen a movie by the third week of release then you deserve spoilers.

An into the spiderverse is in all actuality the only sequel I would like to see. I don't have Disney+ and have no plans on watching any of those TV shows. GG comic books movies. RIP Iron Man. PS it's only a matter of time until they bring Iron Man back from the dead.

I have a feeling they told JJ to do whatever it takes to make people forget the Last Jedi, make money in the process & move on to original content.

When does Darth Jar Jar get revealed? Isn't he the one really pulling the strings Annie? Me-sa thinks so

What else can explain the perversion of the force lately? I hope Rey is a clone of Luke, Either Finn or Poe die & Captain Phantasma comes back! Either way whether this movie sucks or is decent, I'm going to get drunk with my friends & hit the midnight showing.

Darth Maul should have been the bad guy throughout the first three movies. He should have come back with a vengeance in Episode 2. Obi Wan would have been distracted by his personal rivalry with Maul & that is why he didn't notice Anakin slipping towards the dark side. In my mind, I like the think about Ep1, Ep2, & Ep3 with Maul as the big baddie & Ep7, Ep8, Ep9 with Thrawn as the big baddie.

Hahahaha! Oh, he-sa not the sith lord!

The more and more I think about Endgame the more I think it's not a good movie. They go through all of this trouble to NOT change the past. In the end the past should change given Thanos jumping ahead to the "future." It was entertaining which is more than I can say about TLJ...

I recently re-watched TLJ on Netflix but I only watched the good parts: Poe battling in the beginning - stop when the bombers appear, Rey fights Luke in the rain - this movie won't end how you think it should, Throne room battle - be sure to chuckle when the imperial guard purposively misses Rey, Kylo & Luke battle - stop after Luke croaks. If you just watch those parts, not only do you save time but the movie is actually pretty good.

Aaaand he looks really good if you are hammered. Have you seen the trailer for the new Modern Warfare game? We are quickly heading towards not being able to tell if a movie or game is full of actors or CGI humans. Less than 10 years, maybe even 5.

I recently dove down deeply into the redit "leaks" for the ROS & I have to say if the "leaks" are real then this movie is going to be dog shit bad. Like the worst one of them all bad. Sounds like a whole bunch of searching for lost artifacts, then stupidity, then finding the emperor still alive, then more stupidity. Insert light saber battles & the Knight who say ni, and Lando's old ass.

Stop! What is your name? (Kylo Ren) What is your quest? (To make my grandfather proud) What is your favorite color? (Red. No Bla- Auuuuuuuuugh!)

Trailer's out! I'd like to be the first one to reiterate how bad this movie is going to be! Worse than the prequels.

Don't get me wrong, my friends and I are going opening night; pub crawl first, beers at the theatre, pizza too, kick off our shoes, and hopefully don't fall asleep like I did during Rogue One*.

Yes. "Taking one last look sir, at my friends. Well mainly you R2, the rest of you I just met like an hour and a half ago, back when I had a red arm. Laterz! Snap my brain now! Erase my memory."

or the emperor could have stayed dead. Here's how to properly setup movie three. In the the thrown room scene from TLJ, Snoke tells Rey he connected Kyle & Rey's minds to see who was stronger & seeing how Rey's power is unlimited, Snoke has decided to rid himself of the worthless Kylo Ren & take Rey as his apprentice. Snoke says he was a loyalist to the emperor/vader & was trained in the Sith ways by the emperor when he saw weakness in Vader. As a sort of contingency. Snoke then says he knows who Rey's parents are & he will show her the one true path!

She agrees to go with Snoke. Snoke orders the palace guards to kill Kylo while Rey watches. Just as the fight is about to begin, the elevator doors opens & Luke Skywalker makes a bad ass entrance. Luke & Kylo Lightsaber duel the guards, Rey & Snoke, only to be pushed back. Luke & Kylo together escape thus redeeming Luke's failure as Kylo's master & Kylo begins his journey back to the light.

Snoke & Rey escape. Hux is dispatched to destroy the rebels on salt world. Luke & Kylo show up to save the day but not before Rose sacrifices herself to stop the drill-laser-thing. Everyone is like WTF Kylo's here, where is Rey.

With their resources depleted, the resistance with Luke, Kylo, Leia, Chewy, Porgs, Poe, & Finn decide to save the galaxy, one last time & Rey (who turns out to be palpatine's clone or luke's clone or a junker's daughter, or whatever).

Movie Three. Boom.

and I think that sounds like a fine way to start out the next trilogy. Maybe that's the perspective I'm missing. I was assuming Disney's plan was to produce movies with quality plots & thought out story arcs. But what you are saying is it's really all about selling toys.

We are like that stoopid bug in A Bug's Life that looks into the bug zapper and dies! We know Star Wars is dead, we know there is no concentrated plot, we know the movie will most likely be a bad movie, & yet we line up to buy tickets all the same. Disney knows! They know they can produce anything & us sheep people will come out to view it.

Oh Disney Gods! I will continue to buy tickets to these shitty movies, just give us Tron 3!

Rushing the last season didn't help. They could have easily split the last season into two. I think everyone involved with the show was ready to move on.

This video is worth the watch. I'm deep down the Star Wars leaks and theories. Potential spoilers.

I agree with you. I've read alot about plot theories and leaks and what not. I agree Disney would definitely not ask George Lucas for help. And if you were George Lucas why would you want to help them.

The problem I have is two fold. First buying into a TV series for season 1 is risky because of cancellation. There is zero chance Disney cancels the Mandy. I don't know if it will last four seasons though. But why buy into it one episode at a time? I'll wait for season 2 to drop before watching. The second problem I have is with 100 million dollar production, when will the second season drop? Will it be like Altered Carbon season 2, taking forever?

1) Chewy eating porgs. 2) Spaceships running out of fuel. The whole plot of the movie revolved around two ships chasing one another. 3) Green boob milk drinking. 4) captain fantasma character development. 5) Everyone else's character development 6) No jar jar. 7) Jedi kid at the end

How so? I'm curious. He's the executive producer on a bunch of marvel movies. That basically means he adds his input and some money for the film. EP power is a far cry from director or writer power.

Yes! Good! Join the Dark side. First stop, ewok forest town, next stop Binkssssss!

I think the scene is cool but doesn't make sense if you watch A New Hope afterwards. The continuity is ruined by Vader being a total bad ass. He's crazy powerful, moving around with speed, disposing rebel troops with ease in RO yet in ANH he looks sluggish as he battles Ken obi. It's a great scene but I think the battle between Vader & Luke tops it. The battle between Ken obi, Quigon & Maul is also better.

I've read all of the spoilers, fan theories, & leaks. The ROS can only be summed up with three words: Count Dooku Baby!

Problem is you can make thousands of fan videos and theories in between movies. Alot of them build hype but the movies rarely live up to our expectations.

They should have ask Mark Hamil to consult the scripts. He's got a really good handle on Luke. Luke could have become jaded with the Jedi after his apprentice betrayed him and killed his flock.

Drop the expectations, grab drinks beforehand, and sit on the edge of your seat until Count Dooku returns!

You will like the new star wars movie
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You will like the new star wars movie
I will like the new star wars movie

100% agree. It's why Skyfall was so good but Spectre was so shitty. They tried to tie all of the previous movies together retroactively.

Let's face it TRS will be entertaining. Go see it! Laugh when it is really stupid, laugh when it is genuinely funny, laugh when count dooku comes back. Star Wars is dead. The studio has gotten way too involved, leading to everyone having interests in the films plot, & then you have a "make it up as you go" set of films.

Hahahaha. Didn't they realize this after TLJ? Finn and Poe are throw away characters. Finn was defined by Captain Phasma or w/e and she was a throw away character. So sad.

There is no reason to go see any further movies. What is going to get me to change my mind, you ask? A KOTOR movie series? PASS. A new trilogy with whole new characters? They can't handle a legacy trilogy what hope is there with new characters? PASS. A trilogy set after ROTJ? PASS.

Star wars is like Transformers. You go to be entertained not for substance. It has more plot then the Last Jedi. The emperor in the beginning is cool looking & I would have enjoyed the emperor more if they would have detailed the sith cult more.

The Disney Trilogy is mediocre fan fiction. I like pieces of each movie but none of them are any good.

Bad movie moments: emperor heals & emperor lightning.

She's a bounty Hunter, waiting around for anyone named Skywalker to show up!

Except most of the poor TROS reviews I have read are negative because the reviewer liked the TLJ & TROS retconned most of TLJ. I think that's why we are seeing fans like TROS & reviewers hate it. You made a good point about moviegoers wanting to see Star Wars when they go see a Star Wars movie. My friends loved TROS for that reason.

The source material is a murder mystery type during the first book, then in the sequels, the theme turns to Kovac's history & destroying society. The first season is as good as it gets.

If only they could get someone like JJ Abrams to reset the franchise like he did with Star Trek.

They need to jump 500 years into the future, give us some new content, new ship designs, new TOYS! The jedi could be more of a mythology or ancient religion or even better the main characters are exploring the SITH as a mythology. Give me a world where the common galaxy folk have forgotten what the SITH and JEDI mean.

lol actors? Wait until we cannot figure out if a Presidential speech came from the President or not. Think of all the conspiracy theories there are now in the zeitgeist. Also does this mean we will see Tom Cruise in every movie forever? Mission Impossible 17.

I'll go on record and say in the summation of movie runs this new Batman will fair better than ww84

It's a total guess, I admit but based on the trailers. I like the look of WW84 but "trailer plot" looks really dumb.

Calm down Ridley Scott!

Star wars is dead... There is nothing new to pursue. They need to go into the future and reinvent star wars. The Mando is cool and flashy but there is nothing new and exciting coming.

Yes! Keep putting together solid mini-series & do another KOTOR game & some movies!

Did you read any of the last eight or so posts? Lol. DC was dead when nolan said no to building their universe. All they had was synder at that point and his movies are hit or miss.

Maybe in an alternate time line, star wars and DC movies don't suck.

I don't think that's the problem. Story is at the heart of the problem. When your story sucks it doesn't matter who your characters are.

I like it so far. It's a nice change of pace and there's mystery baked into the episodes.

The last episode was underwhelming but overall the series was good. It's one season, one mini story. The show doesn't have to be the best thing ever.

Hopefully they do NOT make anymore wandavision.

The problem with DC and WB is they needed to build the characters in solo movies and then build justice league.

Marvel's phase 1&2 played it safe with the characters and mirrored villains. The payoff being the avengers movies.

DC being dark is great. The problem lies often times with the studio. Hard to sell toys when movies are rated R, see Watchmen. Great movie but when I went to see it in Imax, it was shocking to see 7 year old kids next to me.

Honestly DC should have said fuck it, all our content is going to be geared towards grownups and rated R. Violence, Sex, and rock and roll! Add in a 5 year plan to roll out movies and they would have cleaned up.

Also, I can't wait to see JL. It's going to be glorious! Either a total shit show or really good. Can't wait.

I streamed with a buddy & if we didn't get served Josh Whedon's turd, we the fans would have been delighted. They could have formatted the 4 hour movie into 5 parts, each 45 to 1 hour long and released it. This was by far way better than BvS & JW's Justice League turd.

They should have removed the deathstroke/Luthor scene. It was meant to setup "The Batman" with Ben Afleck. Which they should have made. Afleck did get screwed as Batman. His older version of Batman was on point.

I would eat up a 4 hour long Apocalypse War Movie/Series/Synder-thinger.

Ditto. Too bad Warner Bros sucks as a studio. Given the 4 hours we just saw, it's hard to believe they let Whedon reshoot/edit/release the 2.5 hour Original Justice League. Makes you wonder what Suicide Squad #1 was like before WB started tweaking it.

Ever seen the hot versus crazy scale? Lol.

Does it have some fluff/filler? Yes but it's not a bad four hours worth of content.

That's interesting. I didn't see that or think about it but it makes sense.

Hard to tell without box office numbers. Do they make the 70mil back just from subscriptions or do they see it as an investment into DCs movie future?

I think they have to keep it. It's one of the best moments sprinkled throughout the series. It gives batman a redemption story arc.

Thousand percent agree with both of you. His motivations are simple but powerful.

Only way I can see Lucas getting involved is if he's bored. He hates that star wars fans hated episodes 1-3. He probably is sitting at Skywalker Ranch laughing his ass off. His kids movies(1-3) are WAAAAY better than the incoherent 7-9. Lol. They should do away with star wars movies. Anthology Disney plus shows are where it's at.

Luke Skywalker is dead, long live.

If any of the prequels were on tv I would leave them on for background noise. I can't say the same for the new trilogy. Regardless neither sequel trilogy lived up to what could have been. And it sucks. It hurts.

Also, new Indiana Jones? Puke. Double puke. TRIPLE puke! What's the plot going to be? Indiana Jones and the quest for Chemotherapy? Motherfucker survived a nuclear test and whatever radiation those aliens gave off. Get the fuck outta here.

Loki is fun so far. I hope Marvel doesn't bring into the fold any of those characters you mentioned with exception to Kang. We don't need fantastic four, doct door, X-Men or any of that other shit. Maybe add two or three new characters for the avengers level team up but no more. Marvel hopefully will avoid comic book bloat.

Limited series is where the money is at. One to three seasons of a show if it's good. Have multiple shows and the characters bounce around to each other's shows. Nothing more, nothing less.

Mando season 3 could blow big chunks. Loki season 2? Maybe if this season is good and the writing sets up more time travel, time repair plots. We shall see.

Also new season's ep1 of Rick and Morty is free on YouTube. Newest episode is on point and good.

I sorta follow but I really have no interest in alot of the content. Winter solder and falcon? Pass. Wandavision? After watching it, I wouldn't recommend it. Loki? So far so good. Shang chi? Probs a pass.

Also keep in mind Sony is going to be shoveling out spiderman content left and right.

Totally agree. Ant man 3 and doct strange 2 can't get here fast enough and the movies after can't come fast enough.

If it's Kang so be it. Let's get back to superhero team ups and destruction! Where dem transformers movies at?!

Also carte viewing basically.

She has to have a little equity in the franchise right? Like was she a big part of brokering the deal with Lucas and Disney or something?

Maybe it boils down to money. Ep 7-9 aren't good but made a few billion and a billion is better than million.

I think that has more to do with not pissing China off than anything.

Book of Boba trailer is out. Looks good.

The first episode wasn't bad. It just needed to be longer. Second episode continues to setup challenges for Boba. He thought ruling would be easy.

A good reminder why I'm never going to pay for a Rian Johnson movie again. Also, after book of Fett, I'm going to lower my Obi Wan show expectations

Moon Knight is a solid show. I'm enjoying it!

A true masterpiece! Simply amazing. I had all of the emotions.

The Mando is frivolous & fun. It's like a fizzy drink; not meant to taste great or fill you up. We all know Star Wars lacks good writing. I'm just enjoying the ride when I can. Rushing out to watch anything on Disney Plus will result in disappointment.

Season Three has a show/tell narrative problem & weak plot points. I agree with everything said about planet Mando. How is it no one sent a droid to explore the planet or some sort of atmospheric scan.

He should have come back with robot legs in episode 2 and been the main villain for the prequels. Scratch Dooku, scratch Grevious.

I haven't seen the episode but I hear a rumor Dooku is back!

Headline: 3 live action star wars movies are in development, Filoni to direct one.

Dave Filoni Star Wars Movie Announced at Celebration, New Sequel Movie Confirmed

Headline: Daisy Ridley Back as Rey In Star Wars: New Jedi Order, Set 15 Years After Rise of Skywalker

WHERE THE FUCK is the puke emojjii pinside? Where is the DOGSHIT emojjiii?

The prequels have great moments but never quite put a whole movie together. Great moments include duel of the fates, obi wan vs fett, the beginning scene of episode three, the end of three, etc.

They had redeemable parts to them. The sequels have no redeemable parts.

Now that episode was worth a watch!

What if I told you, it was all about toy sales

She did leave right before the action happened…

Why doesn't everyone character have their own AI assistant? Where are all of the ship/navigational AI? The AI tech is sophisticated enough to have robot bounty hunters & such but not good enough for ships?

It's best to remember not to dwell on these things.

There was a Bounty Hunter game for the gamecube that followed this format. It was an awesome game & I agree with your winning formula comment.

Correct. I have read a few articles now confirming those rumors. Half way through filming BOF they realized it was in trouble & made Favreau add part of Mando's story in. He was pissed & demanded Kathleen Kennedy stay away from him & his ideas.

I fell asleep half way through & woke up as the death star was blasting the planet at 50% power or whatever lol. The vader scene was the dumbest shit ever. Dudes so strong in RO but demonstrates anything close to it over the next three movies. No need to watch RO again.

I saw a fan made video where Anakin fights the youngling & they win. There's like 20 of them vs him. They all have lightsabers. You're telling me, not one of them gets a stray hit on ole Anakin?

I actually thought 3 was better than 2. GOTG is far superior to anything that's been put out recently. Sad when the zany GOTG characters are the grounded characters in the new phase.

I was talking to a friend & I think a good movie requires several things & James Gunn understands what makes a good movie: proper motifs, character development, simple concise but effective villain motivation & most importantly, lack of studio tweaking/oversight. The GOTG trilogy has all of those things & then some.

It isn't that bad! I didn't even watch the kids shows that you grown men are clamoring about.

Is it slow? Yes. Does it contain bad writing tropes? Yes. Are they going to ride those space whales? Yes. Is it fun? Yes. Does any of it amount to anything substantial? No. It's a fun sugary snack, not a delicious steak dinner. Marvel TV is the same way, except She Hulk. That was dog shit.

Always winterize your pipes!

*Asoka decides to stop the app & light saber through your TV.

Next Episode: Weird time travel shit happens, there's a shark, Anakin doesn't turn evil, the republic never fails, Anakin & Natalie Portman have (1) baby, a girl named Leia, she's a badass female Jedi, a win for the girl bosses, Luke never exists, Rey never exists(thank the lord), the original trilogy doesn't exist. Everyone wins. Let's just go full dumpster with this shit & stop pretending any of it is remotely good. It's all dog shit including Andor.

I'll watch it next Tuesday regardless. I'm hooked.

There are two macro narrative problems with Star Wars. When every second of backstory is written, then the result is a demystification of the overall narrative universe. This is the problem with backstories after the fact. Example, no one really cares how Boba Fett got out of the pit. We all have our own imaginations or theories. These imaginations are way better than the actual backstory as seen in an episode. So naturally, we are let down.

Second problem is the demystification of the future narrative. Ahsoka is cool but there are NO stakes, whatsoever. The threat of Thrawn coming back is cool. The fact that we all know he isn't around in the sequel trilogy, takes away from the "stakes" of him being a threat.

So narratively, the past is cool but kind of a let down & the future is already set with terrible stories so there are limited stakes. Also a let down, even if it's subconscious.

Disney really fucked up by not focusing on characters like Ahsoka, Luke, Leia, Han, Thrawn, etc. They could have release EP7 with Rey looking for Luke, only to find Ahsoka. Released a whole TV series about Ahsoka, & continued the sequel trilogy or whatever.

Star Wars is a dead IP because it's narratively bankrupt. There a no themes or motifs. Characters lack motivation. Villains suck. Mando isn't that good even but by comparison it's a 4 inch poop surrounded by diarreha.

Not going to lie, I was a little lost last episode. Maybe it was the after bowling beers I had before hand. Witches? Zombies? Star Wars? Huh?

Yeah no shit! He’s been in exile for what? Ten years? A good narrative would have had Sabine make a meaningful sacrifice to find Ezra, only to find him happy in exile with a family; a wife and a few kids. Instead he’s stuck watching weird rock/bug people porn, thinking about Sabine.

Hell a better, more “2023” plot would have been, Sabine, the witch lady, and the Jedi show up to find everyone dead on the Star destroyer. They search the planet only to find Thrawny and Ezra holed up in some cave together, clearly together. They spend the whole next episode convincing us they are NOT gay, even though Ezra’s clothes are covered in ten years worth of blue splurge.

I’m a real Hollywood writer guys!

Welcome to the thread! First off, Star Wars isn't fantasy, it's a space opera!

Secondly, let's consider the "Force" to be a magic system. It should have bounds. For example, force speed(episode 1) is ridiculous. Force healing is a necessity in Star Wars video games but breaks the narrative in any other medium. Why isn't Force healing the first thing Jedi's are taught? Why learn about anything else? Witchcraft is a "new" magic system, introduced to the live action scene for the first time by the Asoka series, if I'm not mistaken. So narratively, it breaks the universe. Why not topple the empire with magic users?

Third, you see like the kinda person who will enjoy it when the werewolves & vampires are introduced.

What's Asoka's motivation in this show? First it was hunting down "the bad Jedi" & that conveniently led to tracking down Thrawn. The show really isn't about Asoka, Sabine, or Ezra. It's about introducing Thrawn. They need to recast the original big three & have them square off against Thrawn. All this other noise is garbage.