Nobody knows he's gone, not even Kylo. Could take the Luke story and legend into interesting places.

Or maybe it'll just be 2.5 hours of space battles, pointless chases, and light saber battles. Doesn't matter we'll all be there.

Sure, why not?

It hasn't been established Kylo knows, therefore, I'm just gonna assume that until Disney tells me differently.

i'm sure kylo should be able to see it, for the fact that he was his teacher and he's a blood relative. But this movie had so much lazy writting, i'm sure they will just dismiss it if it's not something easy for the storyline.

I wouldn't be surprised if the writer/director didn't get pissed off at disney for requesting, cute this and that, and require him to put in shit they can market. so that he purposely made a weak effortless script as a fawk you to disney. I'm sure they had him by the balls through the entire process, to make things marketable for many things. Just the way disney rolls.

That's what I'm hoping.

Would be way more interesting if Kylo wasn't hip to it. And what does it matter anyway? If Yoda the force ghost can bop wino-Luke on the head with his ghost walking cane, then force ghost Luke can probably still wreck shit up. I like where they are going with this, it adds way more depth to the movies and takes it into new places.

I read an article about how the kids in the scene at the end of the movie showed the kids in the race track stables playing with action figures simulating Luke's standoff with the empire. I am guessing Luke's actions will set off the growth of the rebellion throughout the galaxy. I would also guess that Rey will have much more mastery of her use of the force at the beginning of episode IX.

oh, lets not forget how he suddenly turned into Storm from xmen as well, and used the lightning. If that's the case, why isnt' there an arsenal of indestructible dead jedi just fawking up the empire every time they try to do something?

The Jedi are a disorganized bunch of idiots as far as I can tell, and really, none of them besides Luke and Obi Wan had any major beef with the Empire as they were all killed off before the Empire was really a thing. I'm sure they are all off doddering around at the early bird or shuffleboard court in Jedi heaven. Would be pretty cool if they bring back Obi Wan in the next movie.

Next question please.

I'm guessing that Kylo sensed Luke's death, but he knows it's not the end of Luke's presence in his life. Luke already finished everything he needed to do. He reignited the spark of rebellion, he saved the Resistance leadership (what's left of it, anyway), he instilled the only lessons Rey needed about the Force (not the Jedi), and he found peace within himself. Luke finished his mission.

Luke's standoff was possibly my favorite part. I liked that he accepted the role of Jedi as inspirational mysterious super bad ass, and that scene as witnessed by both sides make him legend, even if it was literally 'phoned in'.

So many of the arguments and complaints about the movie are centered on the expectation of an adult audience when its a film made for children. I'd say Rogue One wasn't and hoping that portion of the series continues to satisfy a more mature audience, but if it doesn't I can still live with that.

For the record, the porg wasn't crying because chewey was going to eat it. I'm guessing that animals don't recognize what they look like without flesh and after being cooked. It was crying either because it just watch a good friend get caught, murdered, skinned, and cooked slowly over a fire and now just about to be eaten, unable to look away in horror... or ... if i'm to theorize in the best sense of nerd duty, it was crying because Chewbacca wasn't sharing, and porgs love some fire roasted porg. #porgtheotherewokmeat #porgthehighlyemotionallymanipulativecannibals

I felt the same as luke as I saw this movie. I'm finished with the SW franchise. Actually I was done before EP3 came out, I did have hope again after EP7, but not it's out for good. Thank god we had some good movies with LOTR and some of the super hero movies.

Too bad you'll be reminded of it every time you get mail!

the core movies are still some of the greatest movies ever made. I just pretend the others don't exist. My kid still hasn't seen EP1, 2 and 3.

Not I nor any of our family.

Not getting into a whole Star Wars debate. I haven't dissected every scene or gave it too much thought. Original trilogy not perfect but great fun to watch. I was hyped for prequels because there was a SW void for so long. I tried hard to like them but they sucked. New Star War films don't suck and enjoyable. There is hope! My kids loved the Last Jedi. I loved it, too. The audience laughed at the jokes and clapped in the end. Kids and I talked about confusing parts over lunch and then went on to have a really fun day doing stuff.

Were the confusing parts "the whole dang movie?"

More seriously, I'm glad people are enjoying it. I have my beefs with decent chunks of the film, but unlike TFA I am looking forward to seeing this one again... just to see how much my impression changes.

I feel TFA was made by really talented filmmakers who were told "you can't try anything new".

And TLJ seems more like it was made by some people who had free run of the asylum... they didn't even feel that strongly like they had to continue much of the story that had been set up. It is just mind blowing, and a bit exciting that they got away with it . It is not nearly as well made as TFA, but it was a more interesting experience to watch it unfold.

Not the 3rd one it was amazing, not sure why people disliked it.

When you just take in the prequels from the perspective of “what did they add to the franchise?”...the answer is a heck of a lot.

History of the Jedi order, history of the Sith, history of the republic and how it functioned politically, the master padawan relationship and Jedi trails, etc.

What have we learned from TLJ that added to the franchise lore? Lasers have a limited range and resistance ships don’t carry much fuel. Force ghosts can use force lightening I guess is biggest thing. I expect to see Yoda zapping Kylo Ren in the next movie repeatedly.

The movie was great!! A ton of fun. Too much analyzing!! Take it for what it is.

What if it was a subpar illogical mess? I will say this: it is a fun movie to discuss.

And certainly it could have been an unfun mess... it was a mess, but it at least was an interesting ride.

The next time someone is in trouble with the cops, I am sure they will be able to outfox them by just driving away from them at a constant speed. The force will be with them And heck, it worked (sort of) for the rebels!

Another subpar part was the lead up to the hoth-like battle. No tension, no rag-tag rebels duct taping a bunch of crappy stuff together in a desperate attempt to stay alive with some time to get to know anybody, just some extras lining up to die so everybody left will fit in the Falcon. Time to drop the dead weight fellas!

Weird! Unexpected! But not great film-making in what I would consider any conventional sense.

I was hoping for an "8" or
perhaps even a "9".
What I got was a "5" or at best a "6".
Too bad too, so much potential. What a waste.

3rd one was the worst out of all of them. they started shitty and got worse through the series. There were parts that were laughably terrible in it....pretty much the entire script from open to close.

I might as well pile on. Leia flying through space was one of the worst scenes i've ever seen. No reason to put those chickens with big eyes in the movie except to sell toys. Chewie almost eating one except the one had tears in its eyes almost made me throw up. I guess when they were on the falcon, it was a tribute to star trek tribbles. Snoke not sensing ren manipulating the saber, yet he senses everything else. Why did the planet have red salty watery soil? Harrison Ford makes the series. He makes the jokes. Without him it falls flat. Having to visit a casino for a codebreaker, made no sense whatsoever. The fleets being pursued , yet you are told to go find a codebreaker, its your only chance. So they didn't just destroy the lead ship because they would switch the tracker to another ship, yet disabling the tracker gave them a whole 6 minutes to escape. Tracker looked like a flux capaciter. Didn't appreciate the whole animal cruelty subplot, yes, all humans are evil. They introduce new character and she is immediatley recruited to go on dangerous mission. Captain phatasm is just a reason for an action figure. Apparently BB can do everything, steal a ship, pilot a walker, etc.. Even mark hamill hated the idea luke gave up on everybody. Whats with the evil dark hole, nothing really came of that.Thats all for now off the top of my head and it feels good to vent.

I did like the luke projecting himself twist. Also the kid at the end used the force to grab a broom, didn't he, so a future jedi. I like kylo, at least character development there.

also, the whole phone call with maz as she's fighting scene reminded me of something you see just before a disney ride, like test track.
missed opportunity, when luke asks where rain is from and she says nowhere. Then she says jakko. Luke could have slipped in something like "try tottoine sometime" or "yeah, thay place make tattoine look like a vacation planet".
It also feels like they said, what ethnic group haven't we covered, oh yeah, large female asian.
and i could have done without the drinking the milk scene.
also, if you didnt want to be found, why leave a map?

OP: All valid points.

One of my biggest gripes was Luke calling the lightsabre "laser sword"!!!! WTF, that's jedi blasphemy.
Oh, and all the jokes that was crammed in, like they been watching Guardians of the Galaxy and the Disney executives was like "we need to make the last Jedi funny".

I don't really read into Starwars to that degree as long as it entertains me for the 2 hrs then thats fine. Episode 3 had some great fights and overall was darkside dominant which is my favortie part of the franchise. The Emperor was fantastic in R of the Sith as was the making of Darth and so many epic battles. probably my favorite of all the films.

Yup. It was almost as if Disney was mocking the previous movies and character in general with that line. When Luke says something along the lines of "what do you think I'm going to do go out there and beat the First Order with my laser sword"? Well...YES! Lol

My biggest criticism remains: after TFA I couldn't wait for the next movie. After TLJ, I could care less. No cliffhanger, rebels decimated to only 40 people, and no real threat (First Order is a joke). Feels like TLJ ended the series instead of being a bridging middle of a trilogy.

Don’t let the blast door hit you on the way out!

Mediocre humor has been a staple of the series. Two cringy “funny” scenes in Episode 6 that always annoyed me:

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

The acting is pretty juvenile as well. These scenes could have been waaayyyyy better. Star Wars has been pulling this crap for years.

Anyone else see Chewey’s resemblance to Kris Kristofferson in the first clip?

I don't think Luke is dead! I think he just quickly projected himself to the can! (blue tit milk can do that to ya)!
he'll be back!

Yup, exactly.

The entire First Order concept seems pretty lame to begin with. If the new trilogy was based on Kylo, The Knights of Ren and Snoke being the primary threat against a rebuilt Republic I think that would be a far more interesting and original story in my opinion. What has been created is a rebooted story of the original trilogy with all of the new characters being made to match the original.

That may be so, but TLJ forces jokes all over, sacrificing plot and character development just to get a cheap laugh.

I really didn't have a problem with the movie. I rather enjoyed it. The only part of the movie that really bothered me, I mean REALLY bothered me was the bombing run and those slow-ASS-ships. Every ship in the galaxy can fly fast yet those bombers crawled, literally crawled, like snails. Why would anyone sign up to fly one of those things for the Rebels? "Hey, put me one one of those slow moving, large target, ticking time-bombs!"

I didn't even think about it not being possible to actually "drop" the bombs in outer space.

I was fine with the rest of the movie. I just wish Kylo or Ray would have turned.

Yeah, even that maintenance worker Rose is out there piloting a pile of junk against heavily armored walkers. What was the plan with those - fly straight at them? I really don't like the repeated kamikaze tactic used in the film. Doesn't seem to fit the Star Wars hope rebel theme. I actually agree with all the criticism if you can believe that. I went into the movie not knowing anything agout it. Parts bugged me but so do parts in most movies I see. I thought for sure they killed off Leia at that one part since Carrie Fisher passed during filming. Nope - uh, okay. It was too long. Parts like the casino sub plot should of been cut and the Rose character part minimized. There are too many characters in general. The focus should be on just the core characters. Last Jedi had characters all over doing different things and not much interaction between them. Even with the criticism, I like the film. I like most of the characters and like the actors playing them. Action scenes were cool and a few jokes got me to chuckle a little. The prequels had bad characters and bad actors playing them and a convoluted story. Last Jedi may be dumbed down to a popcorn, action-fest but good enough for me.

I would imagine they took anyone with basic piloting skills on that run. I mean there were only about 25 people left at that time, so it's not like they were flushed with experienced pilots. Her character seemed a bit forced. I didn't buy the romance between her and Finn AT ALL. I hope they can somehow rectify that in episode IV where it was just a moment where she thought she was going to die or something. I'm a lot like you in that I can see where the movie deserves some of the criticism, but not near the amount it's getting. Personally, I can't wait until Episode IV and thoroughly enjoyed the thrill ride that was TLJ.

I agree. There were so many "carrots dangling" from Episode VII. It was exciting to think about which ones they were going to address in Episode VIII. Instead of using them this director cut them down. There really isn't much for fans to talk about for the next two years.

I think they are just trying to stick with the inspiration from World War II. Stuff like that doesn't bother me.

No need to wait. It's been out for 40 years.

Leia flying is typical Jedi crap. I don't get why it's an issue. She didn't fly, she just force pulled herself back to the ship. They shot it weird though, so it felt a little funny, but that's not really an odd thing to see a force user do.

The porgs are pretty standard Star Wars. They've always had little throwaway creatures and droids around.

Red salty soil? That's going to bug you? I can find some of that literally 5 miles from myself right now. What another strange thing to get bothered by.

The entire casino plan failed. I'm not sure if you noticed that or not. That was the point. The plan didn't work, and staying on the ship would have been better. I don't know why it's weird that some hotshot code breaker would be at a casino though. He could have been anywhere, but what's so out of line with a casino?

The tracker stuff felt a bit contrived as far as a single ship tracking at a time. The disable and jump plan is fine though. I don't know how they came up that time window. Since they mention hyperspace tracking in Rogue One as a research project, it's reasonable to have it as a plot point here.

Captain "Phatasm" probably should have had more screen time, but her appearance would have been way cooler if they didn't spoil that she was in the film through marketing. Everybody (in the film) assumed she was dead, but knowing for sure that she was alive made it feel weak for the audience. It's Phasma, by the way.

BB-8 being a "do all" is pretty similar to R2-D2. He hacked/repaired/zapped stuff all through the first trilogy. That's what these droids do.

The "evil dark hole" is the same sort of thing that Luke walked into on Dagobah in the Empire Strikes Back. That wasn't a new concept for Star Wars either.

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If people are going to complain about all these things that don't make sense, maybe limit those things to stuff that aren't already established in the Star Wars universe. There is plenty to not like, but be reasonable in the claims about what doesn't make sense for the franchise.

There are real imperfections and issues, sure. Finn's and Rose's mission should have happened. It was a desperate act, and I'm fine with it failing, but they could have trimmed that down to happen on screen in half the amount of time it took. Snoke's dying the way he did was fine, but it shouldn't have been so blatantly telegraphed with the slowly turning lightsaber and the heavy-handed dialog leading up to it. Rey should probably have been given a few more days of training and instruction time, but they painted themselves into a corner with the running out of gas plot. She couldn't be on the island for much longer than she was.

I would have changed the out of gas problem to be something different. Not being able to break away and not jump to lightspeed is fine. But rather than gas being a problem, gravity well generators on Snoke's ship would have been better. Breaking in to try to disable them would have still been a good reason to search for the code breaker. Make the shields eventually failing be the issue, not gas. "We can keep enough distance to minimize the effect of their weapons, but the shields will eventually fail" would feel better than "there's no Chevron out here."

I would have handled Yoda's appearance a bit different too. Rather than an angry Luke heading to the tree, I would have had a conflicted Luke approaching it, seeing if there's anything he might have missed. As he got close, the tree was already burning, with a couple of those keepers standing by watching. A shocked Luke asks them what they've done, and Yoda steps out of the flame and goes on about how the Jedi Order is no longer needed and how Rey has already been taught what she needs and so on. It would have played into Luke's decision to reconnect to the force a bit better.

The actual movie was really good, but some of the handling was rough, I agree. I just don't see why people are feeling like everything was so out of line.

I really liked the movie but wish they had brought back Jar Jar Binks. He is the best Star Wars character.

Meesa think you crazy.

He was there, did you miss it?

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you kidding me? This is oscar worthy compared to any dialogue from EP1, 2 and 3, or any of the "attempted" humor from these new movies.

Well some more...becasue it is possible. I can't believe people are still saying this.

technically it's not possible, unless they were spring loaded or something to launch them that direction. Which the way it was filmed, was not possible the way they portrayed it.

They could have a field at the entrance doors of the ships that allows for gravity to be maintained on ship, but allows for physical objects to pass. Star Wars has all kinds of technologies and science that is not known to humans on present day earth such as blast shields.
It is sci-fi so we have to forget a lot of what we know in our own lives to accept things that are beyond our knowledge limitations.

Yes, it doesn't matter that WE don't know how they did it....as long as THEY know how to do it....

What a bunch of dorks. Its a Sc Fi movie set in a different Galaxy stop over analysing the science and faithful justice done to the series crap, actually keep going its quite entertaining.

Now I know why you were so let down by Stern SW.

Because it's bad pinball. The code is a wreck.

40x multipliers...terrible idea.

Code is deep and unique with 1.0, very solid. One of Sterns best coded games in my opinion.