I apologize in advance for my rant lol.

It seemed like going against literally everything expected was the goal of Rian Johnson for the TLJ considering the "destroy the past, kill it if you have to" line. That made for some great critic reviews as it was "original" and "going against the grain" but a vast majority of Star Wars fans hated it. Instead of Luke being a powerful Jedi that did everything to save his nephew from turning to the dark side he's a grumpy old man who tried to kill his nephew despite the fact that he wanted to save his father, Darth Vader, who was the most evil dude in the galaxy.

Addressing the 20 something years between ROTJ and TFA? One line from Luke, "For a time there was peace", is all we get. Dumb. Spending 30 minutes wasted on the casino planet to save animals used for racing? Dumb. Spending an hour watching the resistance slowly crawl away from The First Order to get just out of firing range? Dumb. Luke dying at the end because he used to much force energy? Dumb. Leia's only response after hearing her brother just died "I felt it to", "We have everything we need". Dumb. It's all dumb! lol.

Tossing in those stupid porgs makes things even worse considering how they keep showing up throughout the movie, including in the Falcon for some reason and on R2D2 at the end. The comedy? It's cringe worthy to say the least. I can't hear you jokes from Poe, and "The name's Finn and I'm in charge. I'm in charge now, Phasma! I'm in charge!"...ugh.

R2D2 isn't happy here, he's saying "Help me"!

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i waited 20 years for Luke Skywalker to return as my #1 hero in the Star Wars universe, only to have him portrayed as a grumpy old hermit living on an island. TLJ sucked donkey balls.

So the 7th episode stole the storyline from Episode 4, and the 8th episode stole it from Spaceballs (running out of fuel, and the 'fool you' projection that luke stole from Dark Helmet), where will Episode 9 get it's storyline? Kind of sounds like it will be Episode 6 with the emperor coming back.

I can’t tell if this is professional grade sarcasm, weapons grade bolognium, or flawless trolling.

i think you all are taking star wars too serious. porgs were cool...so were ewoks. i heard the space ship out of fuel complaint before...but so what.... it's an entertainment movie. the script complaint...all the star wars movies have corny, tacky lines. so what. return of the jedi was probably worst on it.

i'm just saying it was entertaining star wars movie. i'm not being sarcastic in any way at all, i thinks its the best of the star wars films. rian johnson did a better job directing vs other directors. his twists in the movie were well done and for a quick minute i did princess leia was dead.

i think the phantom menace got bashed on too when it should not have. it has some flaws (vader builds cp3o?), but overall a better movie than most other star wars movie. laim neeson was cool too.

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/11/21/star-wars-the-last-jedi-snoke-j-j-abrams-reaction-death-killed/

Man, even J.J. hated TLJ. Glad there's transparency here. As much as he's able to broadcast, anyway.

Oh boy.....I felt a disturbance in the thread.

Well, he does feel Liam Neeson did great.

I didn't hate TLJ - but didn't make much sense. Last time we saw luke the future was bright. Next time he's drinking green milk as a hermit. The problem and point being - they didn't take us along on that journey/story. And flash backs aren't gonna cut it. And the reason I have very little respect for Disney was that they wanted to cash in on the original trilogy and the stardom (hammil, ford, fisher), but they destroyed their characters. They could have easily created a new series........or a series after the original cast was not part of. But no.......they wanted to include them because we had nostalgia to those characters, but then they completely trampled on the nostalgia we held for those characters.

They were either completely clueless or someone literally thought - how can we cash in on all the 40 something years olds nostalgia.........but also lets piss them off by P*ssing all over what makes the original trilogy nostalgic for them.

Let's reboot Star Trek but make Kirk a p**sy. literally what disney did. And worse they had a completely blank and wide open canvas with 3 decades of stories to pull from..........and they gave us p**sy luke, mary popins leah, and bad dad/husband han.

Also - after two movies I have no emotional attachment to the characters they are trying to build new. Any of them could blow up in the first scene of ROS and no one would care.

Of all the characters the butchery of Han for me was the worst. Sure he was arrogant and self centered but he could never abandon a friend or let alone his own son. Then along came Solo and they actually made him a soldier in the Empire. Remember the scene in A New Hope when he is trying to pretend he is a soldier, Ah yeah we are all good here, situation normal. He is was no X marine, it is kinda ironic that Adam Driver actually is.

I'd like to go on record and say I hated TLJ and I also didn't care for TFA.....just like Lucas.

PS: I like The Mandalorian tho...Same company, different filmmakers, so it's them not me...

That's a huge problem with the sequel trilogy.

I've always felt the prequels existed because Lucas had more story to tell. Not everyone liked the story, and the execution might have been lacking, but it was more story he wanted to tell.

The sequels exist solely because there was more money to be made, not more story to tell. It's been made up from film to film with no heart, no soul, and no coherence.

Exactly.

Lucas at least showed you can make oodles of money AND attempt to tell a story/world and character build. Whether you like them or not, the prequels attempted and did both.

Currently thinking its trolling . Double down on the madness!

TLJ was so bad, in so many ways. There is no way this should have been made in our SW franchise; As a Lifetime movie for women, yes.

so where are all the complaints about baby yoda showing such power with the force without any training?

further comments. if any movie was bad...(besides han solo...ok it's really bad. ron howard ruined it), it was attack of the clones. go and look at the story, script and the overall movie vs. the last jedi. same with a the revenge of the sith. there are LOT of major flaws. for example: 1. padme is pregnant and has twins,...in what, 4 days? 2. anakin never admits to slaying the kids and is blamed and attacked. 3. ending crunched into 5 seconds to credits. 4. worst of all...they take baby luke on tatonnie...uh why? with foster parents he never met? . now, compare that to the new star wars movies and look at my point of view. the new ones are written a lot better!

i would put attack of the clones and empire strikes back the bottom of the 8 movies in the saga. i rank this way (which can cause controversy for you all...but you all love that) 1. last jedi, 2. force awakens, 3. phantom menace ( I believe it made the most of any star wars movie until the force awakens), 4. new hope, 5. rotj, 6. revenge of sith, 7. empire strikes back, 8. attack of the clones.

Empire #7

That's comical.....

Wow.....

You're pulling our leg right? Hahaha....sorry

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/was-palpatine-wanted-in-the-rise-of-skywalker-before-j-j-abrams-came-along.html/

Empire also interviewed Abrams in October and addressed his reasoning for bringing the Emperor back. “Some people feel like we shouldn’t revisit the idea of Palpatine, and I completely understand that,” he said. “But if you’re looking at the nine films as one story, I don’t know many books where the last few chapters have nothing to do with those that have come before. If you look at the first eight films, all the set-ups of what we’re in IX are there in plain view.”

Yanno, except for films 7 and 8.

Not to mention, you can literally introduce a new baddy like they did with Darth Maul and Snoke. No need to keep rehashing Lucas's stuff. I mean have some self respect and an ounce of creativity, there are a bunch material to draw from. Just look at Rogue one and The Mandalorian.

no, i am not joking on the film ranks. jast jedi is awesome. empire is great movie and all. i just think most other star wars movies are better. as a kid, i figured vader lied and luke really was not his son.

Stop being a goof....

Enough....

Troll much???

We have crossed into the absurd.

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The problem is that by bringing him back, you just negated the end of Return of the Jedi and what it meant.

But, obviously these people don't give a shit.

so neither the "force ghost" of Yoda, Obi-Wan nor Anakin himself was aware, that Palpatine was fine all the time?
what a buch of (dead) clowns.
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Yep. This company excels at rehashing stories and tapping the veins.... over and over and..
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Just say no.

Empire was the best. A new Hope was great. Like Godfather 1 and 2.
Return of the Jedi was really good up until the Ewoks, which were terrible.

Everything else is various degrees of suckitude with The Last Jedi just being absolutely horrible but worse than that, it ruined Star Wars.
Haven’t seen Mandalorian.

The guy saying Last Jedi is best and Empire is second to worst is just trying to mess with everybody. No sane person could think that.

So Kennedy wants to take Star Wars to a different galaxy? Would it really be Star Wars if it wasn’t a long time ago in a galaxy far far away?

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Exactly, well said! The entire new trilogy just craps on the original films and does nothing to build upon them. The entire First Order concept is dull, boring, and doesn't make any sense to begin with. The Rebellion destroys the Empire and then 20 something years later there's a group even more powerful with a Death Star planet? No, that concept sucks. Bringing back the Emperor is the same thing, doesn't make any sense and is a slap in the face to Darth Vaders story arch.

Personally I think the new trilogy should have been about The New Republic thriving, Luke rebuilding the Jedi, seeing Ben get tempted and going to the dark side when a new Sith threat rises, and then then in the final film having Luke and or Han sacrificing himself as a way to save his nephew / son.

How I wish the new trilogy went

Episode 7: New Republic thriving, Luke rebuilding the Jedi, Han and Leia in leadership roles, Sith begin to rise
Episode 8: Sith lure Ben Solo to the darkside, New Republic attacked, Luke losses many but not all of the new Jedi
Episode 9: Battle between New Republic, Sith, and the remaining Jedi. Luke squares off against main Sith dude, pulls an Obi Wan to save his nephew and dies. In last 1/3 of film main Sith dude is ready to kill Han, Ben remembers what Luke taught him, saves his dad, Ben fights and defeats the Sith.

Instead we got Disney killing off nearly all original characters, porgs, and grumpy island living Luke.

Just watched episode 3 of The Mandalorian. I'd like to point out that episodes 1-3 have a complete story arc unlike the trainwreck the latest movie trilogy suffers from. Four writers in Favreau, Yost, Filoni and Famuyiwa crafted a simplistic yet engaging storyline with interesting characters and environments. My wife made a good point in that we never see the face of The Mandalorian, never see his eyes, and he doesn't even speak with much animation. Yet, we know what he's thinking and feeling in the moment and can still connect. That's good storytelling. For the love of God I had more emotional attachment to a BOUNTY DROID with 8 minutes of screentime than I have to Rey or Finn.

The newest trilogy is just sloppy. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Where it all went wrong IMO was the asinine decision to hand a partly written story off to the next guy, then pass it to someone else to write and finish. It's just astonishingly stupid and lazy.

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Yes, for example the control knob ball you can understand what he’s thinking without words needed.

Honestly, I don’t see how this could be possible. TLJ will be the worst of this trilogy and any Star Wars content ever.

The worst Star Wars content was the holiday special except for the part where Harvey Korman does a galactic Julia Child (@ 22:30). Even that part is more entertaining than Finn saying "I'm in charge. I'm in charge now."

Episode 3 was good too, just not as good as EP 2. I think it had its moments but the rescue scene should have been handled differently, I think it was an opportunity for them to show us Mando is not all about brute force but also stealth and cunning....I'm just musing.

This is such a great point. Agree with you 100%. Don't get me started on Rey, Fynn & Poe.

Episode 3 was full of some really great moments IMO. It's really hard to believe that these episodes are only running around 30-35mins, because to me they sure feel like they are much longer. This episode was full of so many great little moments that stick in my mind like...

* The Vibroblades! Did anyone look closely & notice the vibrating blades when the two mandos had them drawn? Generators in the handles send out high frequency vibrations to the blade. So deadly a weapon that they were banned in civilized systems. Which helps explain why he was able to kill that huge mudhorn with just a 6 inch blade to the neck.

* Echuta! When he decides to have the Smith craft a complete set of new beskar armor, she tells him that will draw a lot of attention. So when he strolls into that cantina with that bad ass armor & everyone is eyeballing him, that was a huge "hell yeah" moment for me. Carl Weathers proclaims "They all hate you Mando!", and the disgruntled Bounty Hunter at the bar mumbles "Echuta" under his breath. Echuta is the Star Wars equivalent of "fuck you or piss off". It was awesome hearing that again.

* When he fires up the ship to leave & reaches for the control with the missing knob. Without any dialogue, speech or facial expressions, the viewer is able to immediately bond with him. The character & viewer are both thinking the same thing. Don't leave, do the right thing, go save the baby. That was a great moment. So was when he returns to the ship & drops the knob to Baby Yoda. Alright here you go little buddy. Haha

* When the other Mandalorians come to his rescue, they sacrifice everything to help one of their own. With their numbers now known, their sanctuary compromised & their survival at risk, they will need to flee this planet & start again. It's alright because "This is the way".

I could go on & on. I just love this show.

not really. for some of you, the rise of skywalker is already a letdown. you won't give it a chance and have already decided its bad. no matter what they do, it won't be good enough. you want to find something wrong with it and bash it. i'm going to enjoy it and make my own opinion on it.

so many out there living on past star wars movies like are holy. they are just space entertainment movies. never meant to be taken seriously.

Dude I'm right with you. It's great to be able to finally have some good content and look forward to more. Before this show I would have pointed to about 1/3 of Rogue One as the best storytelling in the Disney era.

Many people - myself included - already are underwhelmed with the characters and feel the trilogy is not a position to deliver a good story. Could this change if we are delivered an amazing story that contributes meaningfully to the Star Trek lore and menthos while delivering memorable dialog? Sure...but most of us have no faith in Kennedy to pull that off.

https://www-ign-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.ign.com/articles/2019/11/26/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-creative-team-took-a-lot-of-notes-from-george-lucas?amp=1

Wish they chose to take notes five years ago from him....

Side note.

https://twitter.com/themandalorian/status/1199070357593837569?s=19

Glad to see that Doug Chiang is doing concept work on the show! He's down a few images in this tweet.

Regarding episode 3, I'm kinda at the point where it feels less mysterious and lame, more so than cool and intriguing, that these Mandos lounge around their Hall like vagrants outside some homeless shelter. It just reminds me too much of that old Mr. Show sketch, where "expert witnesses" hung around an office, waiting for work.

That, the kind of club chant they give, and that there are so many of them, demystify the Mandalorians more than anything. Seeing Boba or Jango solo felt mysterious, like they were loners, rogues, on the outskirts of society, used more out of necessity than valued, akin to a lone gunman for hire. This appears more a collective Bounty Hunters Anonymous gathering.

The show is highly competent, and I appreciate it for that, but it still feels like it's surviving entirely on brand usage, more so than character depth/intrigue or emotional expression.

I read somewhere that Mandos often took their helmets off, outside of work, while here they explicitly state otherwise, due to the creed. It still feels like more emotion is lost in the series, more than mystery gained, with the helmet constantly on. I'm guessing towards the last episode, he'll break that creed, for dramatic reasons, and remove it.

yep at 33-38 minutes also not a lot of meat on the bones. Kind of ok show but it's not really gritty or intense (more of a kiddy show).

The helmet thing was lifted from Dredd 3D, we all raved about the fact that Dredd never betrayed his character in the movie and that the audience never saw the lawman's face. He's one of many. No doubt Favreau was a fan of that movie

Well if you want to know what a Star Wars kiddie show is, try watching Resistance or any of the Lego themed shows on Disney+. Unwatchable fodder.

On The Mando, I've seen various enemies electrically fried, flameroasted, stabbed in the back, stabbed in the throat, disintegrated, shredded by gattling laser cannons, cut in half by closing doors, & shot point blank in the chest after being knocked unconscious. There are Star Wars kiddie shows, but this is not one of them. It's classic material written for adults & presented in a realistic way, which is what makes it so appealing for many fans. If this show isn't considered gritty & intense, IDK what is.

Sure, but Dredd was 90 minutes, perfect length for an excellent mindless action romp or comedy. Given the 35 minute-sh episodes, this season will be maybe 4.5 hours.

I definitely feel there are negatives to removing the helmet, for sure, but there really haven't been any weighty or medium level moments of drama so far. Not sure if that's just the writing style, setup so far or if it has a large part to the dude having a helmet.

The Man with No FACE...was not what the Leone trilogy was called.

Well, it does literally involve a kid, haha!

It's definitely not adult, thankfully, and definitely not adle minded silly shit.

I do feel there should be some degree of blood though, especially with the Rhino beastie. Shitty to show death, sans "real world" consequence. Kids need to understand a degree of the equation of violence.

I hear you, I tried watching Resistance and man it sucked! I was hoping for something like Rebels or Clone Wars. I believe they canceled Resistance didn't they?

That anyone considers this show gritty or intense is very odd to me, and to in any way relate it to the Leone Trilogy is blasphemy. I don't recall torrents of baby merchandise packing the toy stores for the Good that Bad and the Ugly. I haven't seen the 3rd episode yet but so far this is on par with A Team or Knight Rider, gritty and intense it is not.
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I reminds me in some ways of Lone Wolf and Cub (Shogun Assassin here in the States)

I can deeply appreciate this show just for this scene that I have endlessly playing in my head, the one unfortunately not on film.

https://uproxx.com/tv/werner-herzog-baby-yoda-cowards/

Also, what a lovely batshit url that is, haha!!