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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #2501 1 year ago

    For those interested, the last Jedi plinkett review is up

    #2502 1 year ago
    Quoted from Captain-Flint:

    I am 37 years old, I grew up with the Original Movies. I have watched them so many damn times... plus I have seen all the prequels in the theater (something I am not proud of). But I think the main reason why I liked TLJ was the fact that they surprised me. I had not been surprised from a Star Wars movie since I first sat down and watched the Original movies. The prequels were not cleverly written, and I really had a hard time getting into them. I hated how small the Universe felt. I hated that Vader made C3PO. Stuff like that closed off the Universe for me.
    So TLJ had some pretty great parts I never saw coming.
    Rey not being a Palpatine or anyone we knew. That was refreshing to me!
    Luke not being the hero at first. Then when R2D2 showed to original clip from ANH with Leia, I damn near cried! I thought that was super cool.
    I liked they brought back the puppet Yoda from Empire. That was a great touch! It was great to see Yoda and Luke interact again!
    I liked that Poe kept messing up... and that he isn't a perfect leader YET....
    I liked the dynamic of Rey and Kylo. If it was an unoriginal story, and followed the Star Wars troupes Kylo would have been turned by Rey after killing Snoke. But he resisted. He isn't a Sith, but he isn't a good guy either. That interests me. This story may end with Kylos death.
    I liked that the Skywalker story ended. I know I know... It is sad. But I feel like it could open up the Universe a bit and we could get new original Stories.
    Fin and Rose whole plot sucked. I agree. They really botched Fins character. And the Romance was killed, I have no idea if Fin likes Rey or Rose or Poe? No idea. That is one thing I miss a bit. Because the OT was really rounded out by Han and Leia's romance.
    I thought it was ballsy to kill Snoke.
    I thought the end with the kid opened up the Universe and allows us to get new Force users and new heros.
    Minus the bad Joke in the very beginning I liked the opening space battle.
    I loved the Throne Room battle, I think it was shot beautifully and I loved how Kylo and Ren worked together.
    I though DJ's character was wasted, but I hope he is in the new movie. I like some scoundrel in my Star Wars. We didn't get enough in the Prequels
    I hated BB8's rescue when he hopped in an ATST. What ever.
    I liked that Kylo didn't want to kill his Mother, and I thought they wasted a huge opportunity for Kylo to SAVE Leia when she got sucked out into space rather than Leia Mary Poppin it back to the ship.
    I liked Lukes duel with Kylo
    I liked those bad ass ATAT's on that salt planet... actually I loved everything about that ground battle.
    I got goosebumps when Rey "Moved Rocks" to save everyone. Now they see her power, and now we have a new Legend to emerge. She went from just a scavenger to the savior. Kind of reminded me of Neo at the end of the first Matrix.
    Oh and Leia and Lukes reunion.. was great. Would have loved to see Luke and Han have a moment in TFA but that never happend.
    Speaking of TFA, I dislike that movie more than TLJ. Because it was a remake of ANH. It wan't original and I really couldn't have been less pleased with how that movie turned out. I saw everything coming a mile away. I guess that is why I liked TLJ. I was surprised quite a bit.
    Those were just off the top of my head. I hope it made sense. Go easy on the downvotes guys I am sensitive, and we are just talking movies.
    @Infinatelives I like your style man! Keep up the good fight!

    I was surprised by tlj too... at how bad it was. It was set up after set up with no payoffs. Surprises are great in movies in moderation but that idiot Rian Johnson cannot put a cohesive story together to save himself. He constantly gave us a surprise but with no set up or payoff.. just poor story telling in the end.

    As for Luke learning the jedi sucked etc.... its just a pisspoor way to go for the story of his character. Yes it was a risk. I've heard that many times.... shagging my best mates mrs too would be a big risk but that wouldn't make it right.

    #2503 1 year ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    It was set up after set up with no payoffs.

    That's "subverting expectations" dawg. Apparently it's all the rage and to be commended.

    Who knew.

    #2504 1 year ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    shagging my best mates mrs too would be a big risk but that wouldn't make it right.

    Quote of the week! Thanks for the laugh

    #2505 1 year ago

    Simply amazing they can’t get a good script, the trilogy should have been planned out in advance.

    It always astounds me when real bad movies are made. But happens quite a lot even with good directors (see Godfather 3 - Coppola and IJ4 Spielberg).

    It would have been one thing if TLJ was just ok, but it was actively bad. Then you have series like Harry Potter or Marvel movies which all seem to be good. Something like GOT TV show probably has less budget for a whole season and puts out *much* better material.

    #2506 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Disagree strongly.
    They could have pleased everyone very easily. They could have thrilled children & adults alike & gave us the story we all wanted. It's completely comical how they effed it all up. But it is clear to everyone now that KK and her braintrust had an agenda. They threw Lucas' outline in the trash. They threw 30 years of beloved extended universe material covering the time period after ROTJ also right in the trash. They wanted to end the Skywalker storyline for some reason & give us all new characters. They severely misjudged the fan base & took us all for granted, and now they are paying the price for their arrogance.
    Basic synopsis here......but the entire basic backstory was right there in front of them. Empire utterly destroyed & collapses after ROTJ. Luke, Leia & Han spend next 30 years rebuilding the Republic. Leia & Han establish a new Senate, and have multiple force-sensitive children. Luke starts a new Jedi Academy & trains a new generation of Jedi, even falls in love & has children of his own. All is wonderful for 30 years. But unknown them, the Emperor had a secret master plan enacted upon his death. And his loyalists have been rebuilding the Empire in the unknown region of the galaxy for decades, and when the Republic least expects it, they strike back with a vengence. Grand Admiral Thrawn, cloned emperor, secret sith relic hunters, whatever. Literally whatever new threat they wanted. They could have come up with anything. All this makes sense to the fans.
    Let this storyline playout Episodes 7-9. Your new characters are Luke & Leia's children. One last struggle for Luke, Han & Leia, who die by end of Episode 9. Their children are the focus for all future movies. Let this storyline play out past Episode 9, because since Episode 1, these films are ALL ABOUT THE SKYWALKER BLOODLINE.
    We are left with utter shit now. A total cluster-eff of weak storytelling, awful new characters, and a one big huge face slap for the fans. And they wonder why the fans are rejecting this new garbage? Give me a break.

    Great post! It was as if Disney was afraid, or didn't want to, commit to Episodes 7-9 truly being about the original characters. Disney has forever to make Star Wars movies but had a brief window, a once in a lifetime opportunity, to reunite Luke, Lei and Han using the original actors and they blew it to try and sell boring new characters and porg toys.

    The entire plot of the new trilogy just sucks. Like you said the Empire was destroyed in ROTJ but now 30 years later they are back as the First Order? Lame, the First Order is a pathetic attempt to recreate the Empire instead of coming up with something more original.

    #2507 1 year ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Great post! It was as if Disney was afraid, or didn't want to, commit to Episodes 7-9 truly being about the original characters. Disney has forever to make Star Wars movies but had a brief window, a once in a lifetime opportunity, to reunite Luke, Lei and Han using the original actors and they blew it to try and sell boring new characters and porg toys.
    The entire plot of the new trilogy just sucks. Like you said the Empire was destroyed in ROTJ but now 30 years later they are back as the First Order? Lame, the First Order is a pathetic attempt to recreate the Empire instead of coming up with something more original.

    you literally could come up with a better plot and antagonist in like 3 minutes.

    how about a vigilante "jedi" luke trained and he takes the law into his own hands wrecking havoc throughout the galaxy trying to "bring balance to the force" or some shit. really anything could be made into a story that wasnt garbage.

    or a powerful sith doing something other than sit in a chair and have nazi first order death star 3

    what is even the point or over arching story of this trilogy? super awesome rey zero to hero fun time?

    you cant even take the enemy seriously when its emo kylo and annoying hux . like who give a rip. snoke atleast could have been a bad ass

    #2508 1 year ago

    "If he talks like a snake, it is a mistake."

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    #2509 1 year ago

    There's been alot said about TLJ, but for those who haven't watched the new Plinkett review, he made many excellent points, but one stood out that I hadn't noticed before...

    When Rey was in the throne room, she literally watched the majority (350+ people) of the Resistance die right in front of her.... transports being picked off one by one while they were escaping to Crait. She tried to get Luke to help them, and as a result of her failure, they died. She should be completely ridden with guilt & despair. Similar to Luke's story arc dangling beneath Cloud City in Empire. She completely failed her friends.

    Cut to her in the Millenium Falcon gunner chair moments later. She's shooting tie fighters and just smiling & laughing, shouting "WOOO!! I LIKE THIS!" Just having a good 'ol time. No worries. Just some guilt free fun.

    Absolutely tonally dead writing. Garbage film making. Awful characters. Million other example of this stuff. I can't fricking stand this movie!

    #2510 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jason43:

    For those interested, the last Jedi plinkett review is up

    And as usual excellent. I suspect Plinkett works as an film or tv editor he is so knowledgeable on the subject.

    #2511 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    And as usual excellent. I suspect Plinkett works as an film or tv editor he is so knowledgeable on the subject.

    Holy smokes, this video was a blast to watch....funny and on point.

    #2512 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    And as usual excellent. I suspect Plinkett works as an film or tv editor he is so knowledgeable on the subject.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892384/?ref_=nv_sr_3

    Also say goodbye to your freetime:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrTNhL_yO3tPTdQ5XgmmWjA

    #2513 1 year ago

    Plinkett character is actually Mike Stoklasa not the short guy Rich Evans.

    PS: I can't believe that he's openly calling for a boycott of IX

    #2514 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jason43:

    For those interested, the last Jedi plinkett review is up

    Wow, that was pretty spot on and hilarious, thanks! His comment about the fans craving the familiar, the heroic, and adventure hit the nail on the head. Did Disney want to offer the fans that with this trilogy? Nope.

    It isn't all bad though, we got this thanks to The Last Jedi! Lol.

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    #2515 1 year ago

    Well worth the hour long play time. Hahahaha. What a puke movie, made by puke people.

    #2516 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Holy smokes, this video was a blast to watch....funny and on point.

    Watch his multi-part preview of prequels, a virtual film making class. He covers what Lucas did wrong.. and points out the stuff he got right and some of the reasons in both cases.

    #2517 1 year ago

    I love the plinkett reviews. They are 100% correct and spot on about every aspect of the shitfest now known as Star wars.

    #2518 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    I love the plinkett reviews. They are 100% correct and spot on about every aspect of the shitfest now known as Star wars.

    This one about The Last Jedi that his channel did is pretty damn good too, lol.

    #2519 1 year ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    This one about The Last Jedi that his channel did is pretty damn good too, lol.

    What's the one thing you miss being amish? Probably the sarcasm.

    #2520 1 year ago

    Here is a thoughtful and detailed answer to the question "Did TLJ kill the SW franchise?"

    Probably, yes. But it will manifest as the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique. The IP will walk on for a while, seemingly unharmed, then collapse. But the blame should be shared at least as much by JJ Abrams and “The Force Awakens”.
    Goodwill towards the IP has been damaged heavily among the core fans. (I don’t consider myself one of them, although I liked the series a lot as a kid, but I see what they write, the videos they post on YouTube etc.) Johnson, Kennedy and others have displayed contempt for this subset of fans, essentially dismissing them as a “basket of deplorables”. This is terrible PR, and it also shows an unwillingness to face up to the very real problems Disney have had with the IP.
    Here is a section from investment website “Seeking Alpha” focusing on the absence of any guiding creative vision (comparing the Lucasfilm division with Kevin Feige’s team at Marvel):
    “With Star Wars, Disney took a very different approach. Kathleen Kennedy, the head of Lucasfilm, seemed to prefer treating each film in the new trilogy separately, rather than as a single narrative. Thus, the first film was led by director JJ Abrams, but the next film in the trilogy fell to Rian Johnson. Johnson’s decision to scrap many of the narrative threads spun by Abrams proved to be one of the most controversial aspects of The Last Jedi.
    When crafting a film that will, virtually of necessity, have considerable cultural importance, changing leadership willy-nilly with little thought to past entries is a recipe for disaster. The original Star Wars films were, for better or worse, guided by a single vision. For investors, thinking about narrative and vision may be a somewhat esoteric subject. But it matters a great deal when those narratives are the bedrock of incredibly valuable IP.”
    A common argument dismissing concerns about The Last Jedi is, “The prequels were awful but the IP survived anyway”. Well, the prequels WERE a bit lame, but in a very different way. Their sins were ones of execution, most obviously dialogue and performances. Everything felt stiff, and the romance thread between Anakin and Padme felt very unconvincing. Yet at no point was the core story ever problematic. You could take the core scripts of the prequels, apply a little polish, reshoot some key scenes, and end up with a perfectly respectable trilogy. You can’t really do that with episodes 7 and 8 because the problems run through the scripts at a conceptual level.
    The plots don’t make sense as sequel stories to the first six chapters. The single biggest problem is that they retcon the SW narrative universe as one in which good and evil take turns running the galaxy in a never-ending cycle. This is expedient for the setup of Force Awakens, and gets embraced as the core of the plot to Last Jedi. Yet this does not actually correspond with the SW galaxy at all. Palpatine’s rise to power should be seen as the Great Aberration after thousands of years of peace safeguarded by the Jedi. Episode VI was intended to be the point at which the Republic was restored and the aberration is over. Yet this is potentially problematic for making a rip-roaring sequel to Return of the Jedi.
    Any plausible story needs to start out in a restored Republic with a new Jedi order in existence. But where do you go from there? Have a story of a new threat growing within the Republic? Imperial loyalists? A new Sith threat? Dark Jedi? Could work, but the feel would probably be rather similar to the prequels. And the prequels are a slightly peculiar beast. They aren’t really about “star wars” very much. Rather, it’s an action-packed mystery story about an invisible threat subverting the Republic from within. Quite ambitious and unusual, but very different in feel from the original trilogy.
    So how DO you get back to the feel of the OT? Well, as in the joke about the Irishman giving directions, “I wouldn’t start from here”. So Abrams doesn’t. He simply retcons it and hopes you won’t really notice or care, because you’re enjoying the action, the snappy dialogue and the jokes. The setup for TFA makes very little sense as a continuation of the Star Wars story, because it snaps us back to the functional analogue of the beginning of Episode IV with almost no explanation. The victory in Return of the Jedi was essentially all for nothing. Jakku seems like a worse place to live than anywhere under the Empire (with the possible exception of Alderaan; would have sucked to live there). Luke’s Jedi academy was a failure and he’s a broken man. Somehow the Empire live on with greater weaponry than they ever had before.
    For the first time in Star Wars, there is no joined-up thinking. This doesn’t feel like a story written by people thinking about lore, mechanics and continuity. This feels like a story written by people who understand what Star Wars looks like on the surface but none of its internals and complexities. This is a film designed by a focus group. Lucas’s prequels felt clunky but authentic. The sequels feel snappy and vibrant but inauthentic. They don’t really fit the SW universe. And that’s a big problem.
    Last Jedi is an over-correction to some of the issues that TFA had. TFA felt like it was designed specifically to retread old ground with old tropes. (This was arguably the first time the series had ever done this; “Jedi” obviously gives us a second Death Star but the plot is very different from that of the original “Star Wars”). Last Jedi wants to go SO far in the other direction that it throws the baby out with the bathwater. It feels like it’s designed to be everything that Star Wars fans DIDN’T want, almost for its own sake, to make a point. You can call this bold, but you can also call it arrogant and self-indulgent. It would be forgivable if Johnson set up a whole slew of interesting new plot threads and ideas, but he doesn’t. In fact, he seems to abandon his iconoclastic mission during the scene aboard Supremacy where Ren simply reverts to type, being an oddly motiveless angry kid, and we get an utterly traditional showdown battle.
    And then nothing is set up for the final chapter. No interesting questions, no cliffhangers, nothing unresolved. Other than the aforementioned question of what on earth Kylo Ren actually wants. Are we rooting for him to die? To be saved? What’s at stake? What’s motivating me to see Episode IX?
    Finally: Star Wars is a somewhat formulaic franchise. The formula is what makes it successful. It would certainly be bold and subversive for Coca-Cola to start shipping apple juice in their cans, but we should not necessarily applaud them for doing so. And if I were Coca-Cola I would be very wary of dismissing the complaints of Coke fans as coming from people who don’t understand bold visionary moves.

    #2521 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Finally: Star Wars is a somewhat formulaic franchise. The formula is what makes it successful. It would certainly be bold and subversive for Coca-Cola to start shipping apple juice in their cans, but we should not necessarily applaud them for doing so. And if I were Coca-Cola I would be very wary of dismissing the complaints of Coke fans as coming from people who don’t understand bold visionary moves.

    Damn! That sums the article up nicely. Great contribution kvan99.

    #2522 1 year ago

    Thanks but I just reposting it, but I really liked how he explained that a careless or maybe lazy mistake with TFA's story line doomed this trilogy.

    #2523 1 year ago

    I thought R1 was pretty good.

    #2524 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I thought R1 was pretty good.

    Meh, I wasn't into it. These "hole filling" movies aren't much fun since we all know exactly where they'll wind up. There's something to be said for moving on and making new, original stories, even if some of them won't work out, instead of just riding the coattails of the original trilogy.

    If the do a middle-aged Obi Wan movie, I hope they make it a discrete "day in the life" story and avoid the temptation of starting when he drops off the Skywalker twins and running it right up to him wandering the desert with his hood pulled down making elephant noises. If they want to do that with a comic book or novel fine, but don't waste $200 million telling us story we already know the ending to.

    #2525 1 year ago

    This says it all from above:

    "For the first time in Star Wars, there is no joined-up thinking. This doesn’t feel like a story written by people thinking about lore, mechanics and continuity. This feels like a story written by people who understand what Star Wars looks like on the surface but none of its internals and complexities. This is a film designed by a focus group. Lucas’s prequels felt clunky but authentic. The sequels feel snappy and vibrant but inauthentic. They don’t really fit the SW universe. And that’s a big problem."

    #2526 1 year ago

    Yeah nothing is going to fix the inherent flaws (poor core story, weak characters, ignoring fan expectations, etc) that are part of this new trilogy. It's all rotten to the core. The fan backlash is real & Disney knows it.

    Hence JJ will do whatever it takes to win them back with Episode 9. I think that's the main focus now. Win back the fans & save the franchise. That's why you're hearing Vader, The Emperor, Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Anakin, The Hutts, Tattooine, Lando are all in the next movie. I bet they even get Harrison Ford to do a super secret flashback scene that explains (gasp) Rey's famous lineage. Fan service to the extreme, trying to right so many wrongs. Good luck with that.

    #2527 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Yeah nothing is going to fix the inherent flaws (poor core story, weak characters, ignoring fan expectations, etc) that are part of this new trilogy. It's all rotten to the core. The fan backlash is real & Disney knows it.
    Hence JJ will do whatever it takes to win them back with Episode 9. I think that's the main focus now. Win back the fans & save the franchise. That's why you're hearing Vader, The Emperor, Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Anakin, The Hutts, Tattooine, Lando are all in the next movie. I bet they even get Harrison Ford to do a super secret flashback scene that explains (gasp) Rey's famous lineage. Fan service to the extreme, trying to right so many wrongs. Good luck with that.

    I'm surprised no one has mention Matt Smith was brought on board, get some of the Dr. Who fan base to buy tickets.

    #2528 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Yeah nothing is going to fix the inherent flaws (poor core story, weak characters, ignoring fan expectations, etc) that are part of this new trilogy. It's all rotten to the core. The fan backlash is real & Disney knows it.
    Hence JJ will do whatever it takes to win them back with Episode 9. I think that's the main focus now. Win back the fans & save the franchise. That's why you're hearing Vader, The Emperor, Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Anakin, The Hutts, Tattooine, Lando are all in the next movie. I bet they even get Harrison Ford to do a super secret flashback scene that explains (gasp) Rey's famous lineage. Fan service to the extreme, trying to right so many wrongs. Good luck with that.

    While it won't satisfy everyone, I do think it's possible to end it on a positive note, but they'd have to seriously consider making it Star Wars 9 and Star Wars 10. I don't think there's a way you do it in one movie, and I think making a single 3 hour movie would be a huge gamble. Unfortunately I think the only way to fix it is to really ignore almost all of TLJ entirely, save for a few things. Unfortunately there's no way to retcon such things as Luke thinking about killing one of his students.

    #2529 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Plinkett character is actually Mike Stoklasa not the short guy Rich Evans.
    PS: I can't believe that he's openly calling for a boycott of IX

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    #2530 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Yet at no point was the core story ever problematic. You could take the core scripts of the prequels, apply a little polish, reshoot some key scenes, and end up with a perfectly respectable trilogy.

    I dunno about that. One thing that still sticks out to me decades later is how Anakin turned to the dark side almost instantly after one speech. That's just bad writing and has nothing to do with acting or dialogue. Those movies were dogshit.

    I mean, look at this garbage.

    #2531 1 year ago
    Quoted from Methos:

    Lucas’s prequels felt clunky but authentic.

    Anyone that can say this with a straight face after mida-fucking-chlorians is out of their mind. Nothing authentic about that. You don't have to like the new stuff to admit that the problems with the prequels went well beyond Lucas's tin ear for human speech.

    #2532 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I thought R1 was pretty good.

    the problem with R1 was the total lack of character development. At no point anywhere in that movie, did anyone give a crap about any of the characters. nobody had a built up story or involved enough to have any kind of investment or compassion for any of the characters. The only character that even remotely came close to having any feeling for is the black robot guy.

    and the darth vader attack scene was so out of place and out of character for that age of Darth vader it was almost laughable. Horrible context.

    #2533 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Anyone that can say this with a straight face after meta-fucking-chlorians is out of their mind. Nothing authentic about that. You don't have to like the new stuff to admit that the problems with the prequels went well beyond Lucas's tin ear for human speech.

    I tried watching one of the prequels a few weeks ago.

    Made it a hot 10 minutes before giving up. Not as bad as unedited The Last Jedi but in the running for sure.

    #2534 1 year ago

    Well, it's not exactly Downton Abbey. Mr. Plinkett said the same thing in his video, now while I think he knows what he's talking about, he was comparing apples to oranges in regards to R1 to NH characters. A 3 movie trilogy vs. 1 stand alone. He was spouting first year film school stuff. Yes, character development, arc and motivations are all good stuff that every college professor will ask for in a draft. But this was basically an action flick. Also, it's a 2 hour movie not a trilogy, when the focus is on an ensemble cast rather than one or two characters you can't realistically expect to get that type of character development. It takes too much time. This is the kind of mistakes people complain about when they say the movie was soooooo slow, or it took a while before it got good.

    #2535 1 year ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    I dunno about that. One thing that still sticks out to me decades later is how Anakin turned to the dark side almost instantly after one speech. That's just bad writing and has nothing to do with acting or dialogue. Those movies were dogshit.
    I mean, look at this garbage.

    I haven’t watched that scene in 15 years. God, it’s worse than I remember.

    #2536 1 year ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    I haven’t watched that scene in 15 years. God, it’s worse than I remember.

    Let's face it, there hasn't been a truely good Star Wars movie since 1984.

    #2537 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    Let's face it, there hasn't been a truely good Star Wars movie since 1984.

    You mean “Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure”? They don’t make ‘em like that anymore.

    (ROTJ dropped in 1983).

    #2538 1 year ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    I dunno about that. One thing that still sticks out to me decades later is how Anakin turned to the dark side almost instantly after one speech. That's just bad writing and has nothing to do with acting or dialogue. Those movies were dogshit.
    I mean, look at this garbage.

    To be fair there are multiple scenes before that scene took place of Palpatine and others talking to Anakin which were tied to his turn to the dark side. These are not in order as they occurred.

    1. The scene where Palpatine and Anakin were talking at the space opera
    2. Palpatine revealing to Anakin that he's the sith lord
    3. The Jedi Council denying Anakin the rank of master
    4. Obi-Wan asking Anakin to spy on Palpatine for the Jedi after he was denied the rank of master
    5. Mace Windu telling Anakin to wait and stay behind when he and the other Jedi went to confront Palpatine
    6. Yoda telling Anakin to suppress his feelings about losing someone close to him

    After he turned

    1. Palpatine tells Anakin that "in your anger you killed her" when Anakin asks about Padme, this is a lie and cements Anakins turn to the dark side as Darth Vader.

    There are a lot of scenes in Episode 3 that relate to Anakin turning to the dark side. All of the Jedi scenes above made Anakin feel that he wasn't trusted even when he was honest with the Jedi. Anakin kept having dreams about losing Padme and before he went to Palpatine he first reached out to Yoda who told him to suppress those feelings as they are dangerous. That's kinda like a therapist telling someone who is depressed not to talk about their feelings...Luke in The Last Jedi is at least partially right when he says that the legacy of the Jedi is failure and the way that Anakin was treated by the Jedi is proof of it. Had the Jedi just trusted Anakin he would likely never of turned to the dark side.

    Overall I think the prequel films are pretty good, yes the acting is bad in some spots but its good in others and they did a great job of creating a larger Star Wars world. Hell, I think the prequels come across as even better films after this latest trilogy, lol.

    #2539 1 year ago

    I maintain that none of the new Disney Wars movies have been very good, but the fans didn't really notice until TLJ.

    TFA = Awesome first forty minutes then turns into a slog once Han Solo shows up.

    R1 = Wastes most of its runtime explaining why Jyn Erso is protagonist. Great final 30 minutes through.

    TLJ = Felt like a first draft rushed into production. Lot of good ideas but arranged poorly. Could have been amazing with a few tweaks. Or at least ended strong and people would have accepted it (R1)

    They're gonna pull out all the 'memberberry stops on IX. I'm expecting they'll even whip out Thrawn, which is bait no Star Wars fan can resist.

    #2540 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    I'm expecting they'll even whip out Thrawn, which is bait no Star Wars fan can resist.

    meh, there isn't anything they could do to make me pay to see 9.

    well, if they deleted 8 from canon or started this trilogy over maybe haha

    still haven't seen solo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    #2541 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    meh, there isn't anything they could do to make me pay to see 9.
    well, if they deleted 8 from canon or started this trilogy over maybe haha
    still haven't seen solo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Not even if we see Lando and Nien Nub in the Falcon together one last time? Not even if in a final effort to save the residence we see them go to light speed with the Falcon directly into a First Order ship and right before we see Nien Nub laughing? lol

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    #2542 1 year ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Not even if we see Lando and Nien Nub in the Falcon together one last time and in a final effort to save the resisence we see them go light speed into a ship and right before we see Nien Nub laughing? lol
    [quoted image]

    well now that lando will f*&^ aliens and robots and stuff...

    #2543 1 year ago

    Some video of Billy Dee Williams getting in shape for Episode 9. At 81 years old I hope I can throw some punches like that. He's being trained by Gunnar Peterson which has trained a bunch of athletes and celebrities.

    #2544 1 year ago

    Needs a hard reboot like Spider-man.

    #2545 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    Needs a hard reboot like Spider-man.

    hard to reboot something, when the boot has the bottom of the shoe completely destroyed. With legacy series movies like these. You don't get a second chance. It's already fawked up beyond repair. Least we still have back to the future.

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    #2546 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    hard to reboot something, when the boot has the bottom of the shoe completely destroyed. With legacy series movies like these. You don't get a second chance. It's already fawked up beyond repair. Least we still have back to the future.
    [quoted image]

    They're not doing BTTF prequels now, are they? I can carry on happily without ever getting to see Marty McFly's first day of Kindergarten.

    #2547 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    They're not doing BTTF prequels now, are they? I can carry on happily without ever getting to see Marty McFly's first day of Kindergarten.

    they better not. they already ruined enough series.

    #2549 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    meh, there isn't anything they could do to make me pay to see 9.
    well, if they deleted 8 from canon or started this trilogy over maybe haha
    still haven't seen solo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Me either...I’ll probably watch when it hits Netflix. I also didn’t rewatch TLJ on Netflix. I only opened it up to downvote it.

    #2550 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    Me either...I’ll probably watch when it hits Netflix. I also didn’t rewatch TLJ on Netflix. I only opened it up to downvote it.

    I watched Solo on a flight. Some people said it wasn't bad, I have to tell you it was bad. I swear I'm not being biased. I thought Ron Howard would at least make it decent but poor guy got handed an impossible assignment. Talk about miscasting, from Ehrenreich to Harrelson (you have to watch him spinning the six shooter laser gun, comical) and even the Vision dude from Avengers....Wow. Now throw in the Marauders storyline which was such a hail mary pass even for SW. I was like damn maybe should've let Rian Johnson help with the script.

    Oh I forgot to add the female robot dialogue was cringe worthy.

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