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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel

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    #2151 5 years ago

    https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/star-wars-last-jedi-remake

    A website and social media accounts have gone up offering to remake Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which has actually gone viral and caught the attention of celebrities like Seth Rogen, Michael Ian Black and even director Rian Johnson himself.

    "Our team of producers is offering to cover the budget for a remake of The Last Jedi in order to save Star Wars," RMTheLastJedi on Twitter posted. "Share this and spread the word to let @RobertIger & @Disney know you want this! This isn't a joke, we're ready to have the convo now!"

    Interesting development but nothing will come of it I'm sure. The Mouse House will never allow such an expensive IP to be tinkered with outside of their hands and sets a bad precedent. Approving it would indicate that they screwed up as well..

    From rumor mill of commentor I trust: Indicates Kennedy out by September, hence cut spin offs (no sense green lighting if next player chops) but main trilogy still on. Kennedy will NOT be replaced by Filoni, money is on Kiri Hart being given the seat.

    Nothing will change, the beatings will continue till morale improves.

    https://www.lucasfilm.com/our-team/kiri-hart

    https://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/10/02/meet-disneys-star-wars-maestro-kiri-hart/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

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    #2152 5 years ago

    Remake TLJ is actually interesting, don’t know if it’ll happen but can you imagine a new cut that’s significantly different and better? Don’t think that’s ever happened before but I could be wrong.

    #2153 5 years ago

    I mean, the French New Wave was basically a bunch of film nerds revolting because they were tired of how commercial movies were becoming, but apparently the goal of the TLJ remakers is to create a version that's as "universally acceptable" as possible (lmao), which is essentially the opposite. If they do somehow manage to get something going, I hope every aspect of it is filmed because I would really enjoy watching a bunch of obsessive nerds wade neck-deep into Hollywood, like the documentary about the horrible dude behind Boondock Saints. I just don't understand what a "universally acceptable" version of Star Wars would be - the reason the first one was such a smash was because it was so unexpectedly unique and strange and unlike everything else, but now it seems like the whole point of Star Wars is to be as much of more of the same as possible.

    #2154 5 years ago

    unfortunately there is no way that will happen, its a lose/lose situation for disney.

    time wise there is no way they would delay e9 for this anyways

    unless these people gave them 4 billion usd not gonna happen.

    we just need to let this trilogy die and move on.

    #2155 5 years ago
    Quoted from trunchbull:

    I just don't understand what a "universally acceptable" version of Star Wars would be - the reason the first one was such a smash was because it was so unexpectedly unique and strange and unlike everything else, but now it seems like the whole point of Star Wars is to be as much of more of the same as possible.

    No one wants it to just "be the same", we just want a good cohesive well written story. Sure, a decent send off for the old cast would be a nice bonus as well...but so long as the plot is good and compelling and interesting and plot points generated in the first part of the trilogy actually have some type of meaning in the second part of the trilogy we would be happy.

    I don't think anyone feels like TFA and TLJ feel in any way like part of a trilogy. At best they are like Highlander and Highlander II, disjointed sequels.

    #2156 5 years ago

    It was interesting having several different versions of a film sort of Blade Runner for example.

    Apocalypse Now has this as well.

    I’d love to see a movie being filmed and then edited together as different interpretations.

    But with a massive blockbuster it can’t happen due to everything costing 100x more than necessary.

    #2157 5 years ago

    Push KK out to promote another SWJ to head Lucasfilm? I read those articles about Hart before. They'll be playing with fire if they go that route.

    #2158 5 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    So I guess another SWJ theme for Solo

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I still think they are in denile that their leftist SWJ trilogy is a train complete wreck.

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Push KK out to promote another SWJ to head Lucasfilm? I read those articles about Hart before. They'll be playing with fire if they go that route.

    I think the term you're looking for is "SJW." Unless there's another acronym percolating up on the snowflakeweb that I've missed out on. Or maybe your iPhone is f*%king with you, in which case a tip of the hat to Apple.

    That aside, it's a little hard to believe they'd replace someone of Kennedy's experience with someone like Hart that's apparently never even been a lead producer. If Disney's spooked by Solo's performance and decide to shake things up they'll go conservative -- not politically of course, but as with the directors they're going to want someone at the top with a long producing track-record, preferably including a big franchise or two, to reassure the shareholders that their very expensive cash cow is in good hands.

    And just to show that my money's where my mouth is, if I'm wrong and Hart lands Kennedy's job, I'll break down and wear that Porg shirt I got for Christmas.

    #2159 5 years ago
    Quoted from rai:

    It was interesting having several different versions of a film sort of Blade Runner for example.
    Apocalypse Now has this as well.
    I’d love to see a movie being filmed and then edited together as different interpretations.
    But with a massive blockbuster it can’t happen due to everything costing 100x more than necessary.

    But those were actually REALLY REALLY good movies to start with. TLJ, not so much.

    #2160 5 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    unfortunately there is no way that will happen,

    Absolutely, but we may get a real professional edit one day, where all the BS is cut out, who knows. The fact that it's getting this much media attention speaks volumes of how bad this movie was received by the real fans. The damage is done, not even Jesus can undo it.

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Push KK out to promote another SWJ to head Lucasfilm? I read those articles about Hart before. They'll be playing with fire if they go that route.

    Exactly right, I would say Mrs. Hart is even more responsible for the fiasco that was TLJ than KK herself, if they do promote her, watch out!

    #2161 5 years ago

    I’m curious too if Disney was to re-release the film and it was a hit what is the downside? I mean it would cost peanuts to re edit it any maybe could bring in as much as Solo has done (maybe more)? The great majority of the money is spent making the footage (I’m not sure anyone is saying re-shoot the film).

    Leia dies out in space, Luke doesn’t die.

    -1
    #2162 5 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Push KK out to promote another SWJ to head Lucasfilm? I read those articles about Hart before. They'll be playing with fire if they go that route.

    SJW always double down, I think someone even wrote a 5 star best selling book on the subject.

    https://www.amazon.com/SJWs-Always-Double-Down-Anticipating-ebook/dp/B075BGGKLG

    #2163 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I think the term you're looking for is "SJW."

    Apparently my brain & typing skills are completely dysfunctional. Yes SJW....Social Justice Warrior. Can't believe I did that multiple times. I must be typing too fast. haha

    #2164 5 years ago

    You must be joking.

    #2165 5 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    From rumor mill of commentor I trust: Indicates Kennedy out by September, hence cut spin offs (no sense green lighting if next player chops) but main trilogy still on. Kennedy will NOT be replaced by Filoni, money is on Kiri Hart being given the seat.

    As far as I am concerned, this Kiri Hart is a big part of the problem. The first paragraph from The Wall Street Journal article says:

    "The previously low-profile screenwriter and development executive’s title is vice president of development, but in practice she’s the overseer of every piece of “Star Wars” content produced by Disney and the person who identifies the writers and directors who create it."

    If that's the case then Kiri Hart is just as much to blame for this shit show as Kathleen Kennedy. IMO every member of the Star Wars story group should be put on notice. They need to make wholesale changes or at the very least they need new leadership. Another reason Dave Filoni should be promoted.

    #2166 5 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    we may get a real professional edit one day, where all the BS is cut out, who knows

    That's where fan-edits come in. A professional film editor took a whack at turning the nine hour, three movie dumpster fire that was Peter Jackson's Hobbit, trimmed it down to a decent four hour film. Fans will surely do the same with TLJ once it's out on Bluray. Of course if your main beef is with continuity (with TFA and whatever the next one will be) that's tricky. If you cut it so Luke lives but he shows up as a force ghost in Ep. IX that's tough to edit around. But some thoughtful snipping could make serious improvements, there's easily 30 mins of fat in the theatrical cut (95% of the casino/horse racing, for instance). Plus if they release deleted scenes, those can sometimes be worked into fan edits in cool ways.

    #2167 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Fans will surely do the same with TLJ once it's out on Bluray.

    been out for a hot minute

    #2168 5 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    been out for a hot minute

    There you go, there are probably fan edits out already then!

    #2169 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    There you go, there are probably fan edits out already then!

    How about this one: (unfortunately you need to go on The Pirate Bay to download it)

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/last-jedi-mra-fan-edit-women/

    I think it is pretty rough - done before the Bluray release from cam footage.

    EDIT: I just found this reddit thread of a guy who put together a more professional fan edit he called The Last Jedi (Focused Edition), but it seems it has been shut down. No surprise there. Hopefully someone will upload to a torrent site.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/83rgr5/the_last_jedi_focused_edition_fanedit_help_me/

    #2170 5 years ago

    What could have been ...

    GEORGE LUCAS' STAR WARS EPISODES 7-9 WOULD HAVE EXPLORED MIDI-CHLORIANS AND THE "MICROBIOTIC WORLD"

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/18/george-lucas-star-wars-episodes-7-9-would-have-explored-midi-chlorians-and-the-microbiotic-world

    #2171 5 years ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    EDIT: I just found this reddit thread of a guy who put together a more professional fan edit he called The Last Jedi (Focused Edition), but it seems it has been shut down. No surprise there. Hopefully someone will upload to a torrent site.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/83rgr5/the_last_jedi_focused_edition_fanedit_help_me/

    http://thefallenknight.com/

    #2172 5 years ago

    Disney consumer whore here.

    If you’ve been to the parks as many times as I have you’d quickly pick up on Disney’s 2P formula. Princess for girls, Pirates for boys. Same formula for decades but has changed with the times. The “Princess” has evolved from the shrieking in the dark wood because of scary trees type to the confident, independent bow and arrow wielding hang with the boys type. “Pirates” on the other hand...well...let’s talk about that.

    Disney, while strengthening female roles over time has done so to the detriment of male roles. They have been weakened. No strong males are willing to make the big sacrifice. Old Disney had strong Kevin Flynn sacrifice himself to the MCP so Tron could defeat it. New Disney had weak Sam Flynn not able to defeat anything without his daddy’s help (including another self sacrifice). Weak men. That of course has translated to Star Wars. Finn leaves the group and tries to run away at Maz’s place. Weak. Poe who seems strong put in his place by female Vice Admiral Holdo (and Leia). Weak. Finn who TRIES to self sacrifice has plot ruined by female Rose “saving” him. F****** weak!!! What did they do to strong male Han? Killed him at the hands of weak Kylo. I think Han knew it was going to happen and will call it a self sacrifice. What did they do to strong male Luke? Made him hide, avoid, cower. Old Luke would have shown up to the fight. New Disney Luke does a Jedi mind teleport and not even to fight. He did it to deceive, then die. Weak.

    IMHO the only Disney property getting it right is the Marvel universe. Strong males. Strong females. Most importantly STRONG STORY TELLING. Star Wars is dead. Pitty.

    #2173 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    That's where fan-edits come in.

    There is a decent fan re-edit of Terminator 3 called T3:The Coming Storm.

    Trimmed a lot of fluff, some ridiculous stuff and fixed some continuity errors, made it a much better version to watch.

    #2174 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    What could have been ...
    GEORGE LUCAS' STAR WARS EPISODES 7-9 WOULD HAVE EXPLORED MIDI-CHLORIANS AND THE "MICROBIOTIC WORLD"
    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/18/george-lucas-star-wars-episodes-7-9-would-have-explored-midi-chlorians-and-the-microbiotic-world

    The "what could have been" stuff I don't pay attention too much too, have you read some of the early drafts of Star Wars?

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars:_Rough_Draft

    #2175 5 years ago

    Very timely- Just found this video about how editing (by other people) saved the original Star Wars, well worth watching.

    #2176 5 years ago

    Thanks. Downloading now.

    Fingers crossed it's not some kind of Trojan or virus, a last fu*k you from an angry fan...lol.

    #2177 5 years ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    Thanks. Downloading now.
    Fingers crossed it's not some kind of Trojan or virus, a last fu*k you from an angry fan...lol.

    I hear the 3.9 gig version looks very nice and reported to be clean.

    Rumored that the stupid jokes in the beginning are gone, sabre over the shoulder is gone but it is implied to have been dropped, some porg stuff dropped out, whole casino sequence is gone, attack on bridge and mary poppins gone, admiral purple hair only shows up when ships are evacuating and her death dive, no hacker or Captain Plasma, Rose does not show up till attack on salt base, her crashing into Flynn gone.

    Numerous small and subtle cuts made as well.

    Actually flows along much better, some of the dialog is still a little cringy but not much you can do about that with a fan edit.

    #2178 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    What could have been ...
    GEORGE LUCAS' STAR WARS EPISODES 7-9 WOULD HAVE EXPLORED MIDI-CHLORIANS AND THE "MICROBIOTIC WORLD"
    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/18/george-lucas-star-wars-episodes-7-9-would-have-explored-midi-chlorians-and-the-microbiotic-world

    Good lord. Some things just don’t need explaining. Nothing was wrong when the Force was just a mystical thing for 22 years.

    I remember they briefly touched on the Whils with Cherrut & Baze in Rogue One. A nod to some early draft idea that Lucas dropped. For good reason apparently.

    Again they had perfect fan favorite material to draw from with the Thrawn books. Well whatever.

    #2179 5 years ago

    The fallen knight - was it pulled already? Anyone have another source?

    #2180 5 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I hear the 3.9 gig version looks very nice and reported to be clean.

    Quoted from Deaconblooze:

    The fallen knight - was it pulled already? Anyone have another source?

    Yep. I stupidly tried to download the 23gig version. I got 50% done and then got an error that I ran out of browser space. When I stopped the download and started again, I get a message saying "we're sorry. You can't access this item because it is a violation of out Terms of Service." Bloody Google.

    I haven’t been able to find another source yet. Hopefully, someone will upload to Pirate Bay or Kickass Torrents. I was really wanting to watch that fan edit.

    #2181 5 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Again they had perfect fan favorite material to draw from with the Thrawn books. Well whatever.

    Oh absolutely. I would have loved to see the Heir to the Empire trilogy put on the big screen. Thrawn is easily my favorite Expanded Universe character and is the perfect villain with a lot of depth to him. The new "Thrawn" novel released last year by Timothy Zahn was incredible. A great read I would highly recommend. (Actually I listened to the audiobook.)

    #2182 5 years ago

    I hadn't looked in months, but the results in the poll on this thread are interesting. Not what I would have expected based on the ratio of love/hate in the comments. Maybe Disney's + vote-bots were accidentally directed here instead of to rotten tomatoes.

    #2183 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I hadn't looked in months, but the results in the poll on this thread are interesting. Not what I would have expected based on the ratio of love/hate in the comments. Maybe Disney's + vote-bots were accidentally directed here instead of to rotten tomatoes.

    Considering people are willing to pledge millions of dollars to remake TLJ... That should tell you all you need to know.

    #2184 5 years ago

    I'd love to see an improved version.

    I never heard of The Hobbit edits but they make a lot of sense to cut out 60% of the crap.

    #2185 5 years ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I'd love to see an improved version.
    I never heard of The Hobbit edits but they make a lot of sense to cut out 60% of the crap.

    Fellowship of the Ring 398 pages long.
    The Two Towers 327 pages long.
    Return of the King 412 pages long.

    Total: 1137 pages.

    two of the three book have more pages than the Hobbit, each book only one movie.

    The Hobbit 366 pages, Three movies to tell the story. WTF?!? I knew up front this was going to be bad. I tried to watch the first one on cable, but got bored REAAAALLLLY fast. Way too much padding.

    #2186 5 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Considering people are willing to pledge millions of dollars to remake TLJ... That should tell you all you need to know.

    All I said was that the poll results here legitimately surprised me based on the comments in this thread. I assume they surprise you too, unless your take is that the plurality of people were at least OK with TLJ?

    To respond to your point though, non-binding digital “commitments” for contingencies everyone knows will never, ever happen aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. It was a fun gimmick to express displeasure with TLJ in a relatively “positive” fashion, but I hope no one is taking it seriously as something that could actually happen.

    #2187 5 years ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    Yep. I stupidly tried to download the 23gig version. I got 50% done and then got an error that I ran out of browser space. When I stopped the download and started again, I get a message saying "we're sorry. You can't access this item because it is a violation of out Terms of Service." Bloody Google.
    I haven’t been able to find another source yet. Hopefully, someone will upload to Pirate Bay or Kickass Torrents. I was really wanting to watch that fan edit.

    The 3.9g version is working, fyi.

    #2188 5 years ago
    Quoted from Deaconblooze:

    The 3.9g version is working, fyi.

    So how is it?

    #2189 5 years ago

    Watching now. Quality is solid. Early cuts are well done.

    #2190 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    All I said was that the poll results here legitimately surprised me based on the comments in this thread. I assume they surprise you too, unless your take is that the plurality of people were at least OK with TLJ?
    To respond to your point though, non-binding digital “commitments” for contingencies everyone knows will never, ever happen aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. It was a fun gimmick to express displeasure with TLJ in a relatively “positive” fashion, but I hope no one is taking it seriously as something that could actually happen.

    Polls are generally meaningless IMHO, money is where the rubber hits the road. Too many ways to cheat or manipulate a poll, the comments are far more telling. I could create several accounts and mask my IP and vote several times, why bother? I'd rather post a detailed review pointing out where the movie failed (and did well) in a logical and concise manner.

    #2191 5 years ago

    Vaguely annoying reviewer but she has had the inside track in the past.

    "Cray-Cray Kay-Kay, has not been fired...because they can't find anyone to replace to her.

    Bob Iger absolutely wants to shit can her but nobody wants to take command of a post iceberg Titanic. According to Grace they offered the Job to J.J. Abrams (which would have been disastrous) but apparently he knows his limitations and he turned down the job flat.

    Episode 9 is still a go because they are well past the point of no return there in terms of...well, everything. Kennedy has, according to this report anyway, stepped away from any input on Episode IX. It's now all on Abrams shoulders.

    And sad new, Dave Filoni wasn't even considered for the job. Upside, Kiri Hart wasn't offered it either...yet. Disney wants to give it to a big name but none of the big names want it. During the brief period that it was making money on inertia, Kay-Kay brought in a shit ton of people who are loyal to her. Anyone who takes that job either has to either figure out how to manage them or do a mass firing on day one. "

    #2192 5 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Polls are generally meaningless IMHO, money is where the rubber hits the road. Too many ways to cheat or manipulate a poll, the comments are far more telling.

    But there’s no “money” here. Just a non-binding pledge to provide money if Disney suddenly gets super-chill about their IP. Which makes it more like a one-option poll.

    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I could create several accounts and mask my IP and vote several times, why bother?

    I agree, that would be pointless. But do you really think that’s what’s happened here? The bigger issue with a poll like this is who stumbles into the thread and who bothers to vote.

    #2193 5 years ago

    Solo's actually done "OK" in the US for a movie, but not a Star Wars movie in an age of $12 tickets.

    I think the real disaster is the overseas who no longer give a f**k about the property. Even if they hadn't spent a fortune on reshoots the total worldwide would still have been a failure.

    Curious to see what they do with Episode 9: Retcon The Movie...

    "And that is why Rey is so powerful, because she's a reincarnation or something..."

    "Hux you were the one who forget to engage the Hyperdrive shield"

    "Behold the possibly magical source of the First Orders power and wealth!"

    #2195 5 years ago

    You have to love Mark Hamill, he must be a fun interview. Also an interesting read about his method acting, Luke as a disillusioned hippie.

    #2196 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    You have to love Mark Hamill, he must be a fun interview. Also an interesting read about his method acting, Luke as a disillusioned hippie.

    he just doesnt give a f about trashing the process lol

    he must know he is not in the last episode otherwise youd think hed tow the company line

    #2197 5 years ago

    For this fan, I don't think I will ever be able to get past how this SJW team at Lucasfilm blatantly disgraced Luke Skywalker, without any reverence to his past, or have any regard on how millions of dedicated fans might react to such drastic changes to their beloved iconic character.

    It's even more appalling to know that Hamill (like the fans) expressed his doubts & internal conflict with Luke's portrayal to the SJW team, those concerns were promptly ignored during the creative process. When doing conventions in the lead up to TLJ, while limited in what he could say, he was trying to temper fan enthusiasm & prepare us for disappointment. He knew the fan outcry that was coming. Immediately after TLJ was released, he briefly spoke out about his displeasure, and was quickly brought to heal by Lucasfilm & told to shut his mouth. Recently Hamill was on the record stating his enjoyment of Star Wars is completely tarnished due to Luke's disgrace & the loss of Fisher & Ford. He literally does not care anymore. I don't blame him.

    The entire ordeal is a travesty & can't be reversed. Resulted in millions of disgruntled fans, who like Hamill, don't really care anymore. Star Wars celebration will be really interesting next year, when Lucasfilm can't ignore or run away from the criticism they deserve.

    #2198 5 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    he just doesnt give a f about trashing the process lol
    he must know he is not in the last episode otherwise youd think hed tow the company line

    But wha?

    He was in 10 seconds of first movie and now Carie Fisher is dead don’t it make more sense to have Mark in this film?

    I hope they don’t do all that CGI Leia but who gives a crap anymore.

    #2199 5 years ago
    Quoted from rai:

    But wha?
    He was in 10 seconds of first movie and now Carie Fisher is dead don’t it make more sense to have Mark in this film?
    I hope they don’t do all that CGI Leia but who gives a crap anymore.

    just a hunch but who knows what JJ will do. Maybe he will make episode 8 a dream lol

    #2200 5 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    just a hunch but who knows what JJ will do. Maybe he will make episode 8 a dream lol

    I was thinking that same thing like ‘Inception’ whatnot.

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