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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #151 2 years ago
    Quoted from jonesjb:

    Had the main characters NOT done anything to rescue Leah's ships (going to the casino, etc), the smaller ships would have just escaped to the smaller planet ala Laura Dern's plan, and Benicio Del Toro would not have been able to inform the First Order.

    But the point of that was to show Poe wasn't a great leader - he's the reason all those people died, he didn't trust the leadership and wanted to run in like an idiot. Doing that gets people killed, just like the bombing run.

    This is all completely obvious from one viewing of the film. I'm boggled at how many people keep missing the point.

    #152 2 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    But the point of that was to show Poe wasn't a great leader - he's the reason all those people died, he didn't trust the leadership and wanted to run in like an idiot. Doing that gets people killed, just like the bombing run.
    This is all completely obvious from one viewing of the film. I'm boggled at how many people keep missing the point.

    Yeah but the film took a huge chunk of time and diverted to this lengthy unnecessary subplot to prove this point. That’s issue people have. Nobody missed the point.

    #153 2 years ago

    His was only one of several subplots to show character growth among all the main characters.

    #154 2 years ago

    Well I missed those. And this is case in point. If it’s a good bloody Star Wars movie like new hope or force awakens I should not need to watch the darn thing 5 times to work out all the subplots for all these characters. Star Wars is not meant to be like this to me anyway. The 2nd act is total garbage. many reviewers are saying it’s healthy what Ryan Johnson has done... creating discussion. Fair enough but that ain’t Star Wars for me. Disney knows he dropped the ball and so do a lot of the cast.

    If Disney wanted all this interwoven storytelling they should have got Chris Nolan or somebody to mess with our heads. For me this is a less than memorable Star Wars movie where yes there will be plenty of discussion, but for all the wrong reasons.

    #155 2 years ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    Well I missed those. And this is case in point. If it’s a good bloody Star Wars movie like new hope or force awakens I should not need to watch the darn thing 5 times to work out all the subplots for all these characters.

    I've seen the movie the same number of times as you and I had zero problems getting it. It wasn't subtle, they outright say it in the dialogue to Poe.

    #156 2 years ago
    Quoted from rlslick:

    Do have to say, Leia flying in space back to the ship like a scene from Harry Potter or Marry Poppins was bad. That was the worst scene of the movie for me. Not sure why one of the directors, casts from the movie didn’t say to rethink the scene, and do over. 2nd worst scene...Luke squeezing milk from a Tit, downing it and then wiping his mouth as if he pounded a beer. Again, why...the significance, this scene should have been deleted.

    I think the Leia flying through space was to show how she has the force in her also. This movie is trying to introduce new force powers that we haven’t seen before like Luke projecting his image through space. I think that Leia will return as a force ghost in future episodes. Maybe just as a voice or flashback, but her character isn’t finished.

    Luke drank the blue milk in one of the original films, this was an interesting throw back to that scene, nothing more. Just a bit of comedy, no need for the hate.

    Quoted from Jarbyjibbo:

    Overall I feel like I did when I left after watching Kingdom of the Crystal Skull;

    How dare you! (Lol) the crystal skull was horrible, but not just for the story. The production in that movie was shit. I remember watching that movie for the first time on video and actually paused the film, walked up to the tv during one of the grand scenes and pointed at the screen, saying “right there is the line of the stage and the backdrop” that movie was poorly made. The new star wars film didn’t cheap out like the crystal skulls did.

    The gold dice will have a tie into the Han Solo film. We’ll get more context for them in the next film.

    Yoga was a puppet, not cgi. That was good.

    The Jedi books are on the millennium falcon, so this wasn’t “the last Jedi” there will be more.

    I enjoyed it, Disney is trying to expand the lore of the universe and this was a good attempt.

    #157 2 years ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    many reviewers are saying it’s healthy what Ryan Johnson has done... creating discussion

    I noticed that too and think it’s pretty funny. It’s a Star Wars movie, it was going to have all this discussion anyway...except that if it was a good Star Wars movie literal life long fans such as me wouldn’t have words like “disappointed” littered all in the discussion.

    Out of the eight main movies and Rouge One, this one easily falls in at number nine for me, and it’s not even close...I will not be as excited for Episode 9 or the Solo movie over the next two year and that’s a real shame for me as I really looked forward to this movie and all before it.

    #158 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I noticed that too and think it’s pretty funny. It’s a Star Wars movie, it was going to have all this discussion anyway...except that if it was a good Star Wars movie literal life long fans such as me wouldn’t have words like “disappointed” littered all in the discussion.
    Out of the eight main movies and Rouge One, this one easily falls in at number nine for me, and it’s not even close...I will not be as excited for number 9 over the next two year and that’s a real shame for me as I really looked forward to this movie.

    This ^ 100%

    #159 2 years ago

    Nostalgia is a motherf¥€Ker. Sounds like your trying to hold onto something.

    Evolution is inevitable, your ability to change with it is not.

    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Out of the eight main movies and Rouge One, this one easily falls in at number nine for me

    Do you honestly believe that this movie is worse then jar jar binks? How about angry teen Anakin?

    The franchise has had some low points, but I wouldn’t count this as the lowest one. ....and even if it is the worst then that’s ok too. You need the low points to properly judge the highs.

    #160 2 years ago

    Well I did not think the movie was bad but it was not a good Star Wars movie. It was the only movie I ever left feeling disappointed and other than the Phantom menace. I was looking forward to learning so much about these characters developed in episode 7 the force awakens just have a majority of them killed off plasma, Snoke, Kinghts of Ren etc, Reys Parents. I do not understand why Flynn was even in the movie and the whole casino part was an utter wreck. The fight scenes were great but I did not like what they did with Luke's character at all it just didn't seem like the Luke I grew up with. I have a hard time accepting he tried to kill his nephew when he works so hard to save his father he was the Prince of darkness and evil Lord Vader. Want to see more of Luke and Leia(why was she even in the movie)and I felt they kind of were disrespectful to their characters. I give the movie a 6 out of 10 it felt like a great Marvel Comics movie not a good Star Wars movie. I put it on a Revenge of the Sith level That movie had more developed and vested characters for me. I grew up seeing original trilogy other than Episode 4 in the theater.

    #161 2 years ago

    Yup, this one had problems - - - but Kylo Ren is a real SOB and a perfect Sith --> duplicitous playing both sides against the middle to his own personal advantage. Good villian.
    My main question is: how can they make the main story line film TLJ so bad when Rogue 1 was just GREAT???

    #162 2 years ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    Do you honestly believe that this movie is worse then jar jar binks? How about angry teen Anakin

    Episode One was, hands down, better than Episode VIII.

    Phantom Menance had a supporting character people did not like, fair enough, but Que Gon Jinn and Kenobi were superb characters. Darth Maul was far better than any villain in Episode VIII. The two on one Jedi duel with that phenomenal sound track (Duel of Fates was amazing) was better than any fight in movie VIII (which had no Jedi duels at all). Seeing the functional Jedi order and counsel was cool. Learning rules about the Sith was interesting. The blockaid and political intrigue of the Senante being paralyzed and not able to over come their own beuracracy and sending in a committee to discuss it while seeing the Emporoer weasel into power was far superior to wondering if a ship would run out of gas...

    Episode One smokes Episode VIII, pretty much every way imaginable.

    #163 2 years ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    I think that Leia will return as a force ghost in future episodes.

    Disney specifically said that out of respect for Carrie they would not make a CGI version of her in the next movie. So unless she filmed some extra stuff during production of Last Jedi she wont be in the next film.

    #164 2 years ago

    While watching Episode One I had a visceral, negative reaction to how terrible a movie it was. This happen in the theatre.

    I had a similar reaction watching Force Awakens, although much less so.

    I did not have that reaction watching Last Jedi and in fact enjoyed it while being able to notice its flaws.

    Pretty much everyone shitting on this movie gives some lame “it’s not Star Wars” party line and I say GOOD - there’s more BAD Star Wars films than good ones, maybe that formula needs some fresh blood and fewer whiny middle aged men complaining about their lost childhoods.

    This movie was plenty “Star Wars” enough for me without it giving fan boys the reacharound that was the last one, that I basically hated. Luke being a three dimensional character with flaws and inconsistencies is GOOD - he wasn’t some dreamy 18-year-old, he was a grown man who had seen some shit, the worst of the worst, and had a moment of weakness that he actually OVERCAME. I really liked the “there’s three versions - yours, theirs and the truth” nature of that story.

    Yoda was back to the sarcastic, irreverent trickster he was in the first films instead of the lame, serious lightsaber battling CGI thing he was. An actual puppet! How’s that for real Star Wars!

    The casino scenes brought a level of grey to a universe that is absurdly black and white and I think it’ll be better for it, less cartoony fascism that was so effectively mocked at the beginning of the movie.

    As Rey builds up a new Jedi I’m sure we’ll get our laser sword battles. Not everything needs to be a shot for shot remake of our youth - that’s what Ready Player One will be.

    #165 2 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    enjoyed it while being able to notice its flaws.

    ^This^

    This wasn’t the best star wars film, but it was good. I don’t think it was the worst.

    #166 2 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    The casino scenes brought a level of grey to a universe that is absurdly black and white and I think it’ll be better for it, less cartoony fascism that was so effectively mocked at the beginning of the movie.

    Star Wars has always excelled in grey, or did you only watch the remake version of IV where Han didn’t shoot first? Lando wasn’t a grey? How about the entire (superb) Clone War cartoon saga...basically every character except for maybe a half dozen were grey characters.

    Quoted from jwilson:

    Pretty much everyone shitting on this movie gives some lame “it’s not Star Wars” party line

    No we are not. Re-read what we are saying.

    Quoted from jwilson:

    While watching Episode One I had a visceral, negative reaction to how terrible a movie it was.

    Episode One was actually well received by movie goers when it was released, the view of it over the years by fans didn’t age well and now people make quick digs at it because it’s the “cool thing to do”. Sorry you have “visceral” reactions while watching any movie. That is somewhat an unusual trait.

    #167 2 years ago

    I think the age of the viewer affects how the person views episodes 1-3 and 7-8.
    If you are presently in your 20's to 30's there is a good chance you would like Episodes 1-3 better than 7 and 8 because you watched 1-3 when you were young.
    As someone in their late 40's I can't look past the crappy overacting young Anakin in Episodes 1-3 and say that is better than these newer movies including Rogue One. In Episode I the young child Anakin was so overdone it was very corny and clearly a movie done for George Lucas' children. Also, Jar Jar is the worst character ever in Star Wars movies. I still like the 1-3 movies ok but these newer movies 7-8 just have better production and storylines made for adults a bit more.
    Everybody watching needs to keep in mind the Jedi are always evolving. Remember when Kenobi and Yoda had found out that it was possible to become a force ghost? That was a Jedi evolution that happened in Episodes 4-6. The projection skill Luke did to Kylo in this new movie was pretty awesome. It did not need to be some amazing light saber dual to be a great part of the story. It was used as a distraction to buy time for the rebels to escape. It also allowed Luke to be true to his heart and stay on the island to die. His light goes out after Snoke's dark was gone.

    #168 2 years ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    Nostalgia is a motherf¥€Ker. Sounds like your trying to hold onto something.
    Evolution is inevitable, your ability to change with it is not.

    Change? What change did this movie bring really?

    This movie waves a magic wand and brought back the empire and the resistance. No explanation. No plot points. No clever manipulation, political intrigue, or battle strategy.

    This movie expects us to believe that the destruction of a handful of planets revolving around the same sun destroyed a political organization made up of tens of thousands of planets and reinstituted the previously defeated empire’s control over tens of thousands of planets in a matter of days.

    This movie just unwound all the progression the series made and reverted right back to where the galaxy stood in Episode IV...and didn’t do it well, just waived a magic wand and said this is the situation again.

    #169 2 years ago

    Just the titles of the reviews on IMDB. Virtually no one is above 3 stars, most are 1.

    Worst Star Wars movie by far!

    I STARTED TO CRY AFTER 90 MINUTES

    Bad Plot and Poor Writing

    An absolute insult to the Star Wars franchise... makes the Phantom Menace look like Citizen Kane.

    Worse than I thought it would be, horrible script. That fantastic trailer tricked me!

    Disney strikes back

    The Death of Star Wars

    The Last Jedi is so bad on so many levels.

    "It's time for the Jedi, and for Star Wars... to end."

    I feel insulted as a fan of star wars

    I WAS HOPING i COULD TELL YOU SOME GOOD NEWS....BUT I CAN'T!!! THIS MOVIES SUCKS!

    Absolute garbage

    A Disrespect To Star Wars and It's Legacy

    My worse experience for a Star Wars ever

    My heart is broken

    A Betrayal to the Legacy

    The Ultimate Facepalm Movie

    This movie declaration of bankruptcy to the Star Wars world

    Perhaps time to stop now Disney...

    Disney is the Death Star

    The Force is not with the Last Jedi

    Star Wars- the last film I will ever see

    Devastated to say the least

    I thought I was in the wrong movie

    Disney has destroyed Star Wars

    Movie described in three words: Annoying, Boring, and Disappointing

    Boring, stupid and changing the rules

    Is it a parody?

    "I 'FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH EVERY CHOICE' FOR LUKE IN THE LAST JEDI" - Mark Hamill

    Over 8 stars... for this?

    Movie Critics What A Joke.

    #170 2 years ago
    Quoted from DCFAN:

    but these newer movies 7-8 just have better production and storylines made for adults a bit more.

    Whaaat? This crappy yarn was formulaic to a Tee, developed for 10-18 yr olds. The only difference was some plot surprises that didn't even pay out. The Lego SW. The only thing missing was song and dance numbers. This is made by people who are more worried about box office than canon. Anyone defending this as the new SW and a new chapter is diluting themselves. But as long as people spend their money on this shit, they'll keep dishing it out. I'm done with the whole super hero, ST and SW movies for now. They're all but a shadow of their former glory. Kkkkkhan!!!!

    #171 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Darth Maul was far better than any villain in Episode VIII.
    Episode One smokes Episode VIII, pretty much every way imaginable.

    Darth Maul a more compelling villian than Kylo/Ben Solo's character? Whaaat?!
    Disagree.

    Anyway, Episode One did the worst damage of ANY of the films in two ways:
    explaining Anakins backstory through immaculate conception and the worst offense- ruining the magic of the force itself through midichlorians.

    Say what you want for Episode 8, but it's a middle chapter that was ultimately left wide open.
    It's taken almost 20 years to clean the mess Episode one left behind.

    #172 2 years ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

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    ... makes the Phantom Menace look like Citizen Kane.

    Ouch!

    #173 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Star Wars has always excelled in grey, or did you only watch the remake version of IV where Han didn’t shoot first? Lando wasn’t a grey? How about the entire (superb) Clone War cartoon saga...basically every character except for maybe a half dozen were grey characters.

    George "fixed that" - ie. his intention was always to keep Han on the good side - and Lando was trying to save his people so it wasn't self-serving, and even then he switched back pretty quick. Not as grey as you'd like to think.

    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Episode One was actually well received by movie goers when it was released

    I saw it in the theatres and it was universally hated by every one of my friends and the internet in general. The non-nerds and young kids seemed to like it, but the "fan boys", those of us who saw the saga on the big screen HATED IT from the moment it was projected. That's never been in question.

    #174 2 years ago

    What scene did she have the jedi texts? I musta missed it? And yes the movie SUCKED we all couldve gone without the spacecow milking.

    #175 2 years ago

    I saw Star Wars IV when I was 10 and it was the greatest thing I had ever seen. V was great, VI was okay (got a little "kiddie" for me)....then the long wait...and then the Disaster Phantom Menace.

    1,2&3 were not all bad...they all had some good parts and some good characters...but the bad was SOOO BAD. I can't fathom that anyone (anyone) thinks VIII was worse than 1-3.

    Was VIII great? NO. 4-7 and Rouge One where all better. But it wasn't a complete disaster either. It did not live up to most people's expectations of what was going to happen. People do not like that.

    Go sit and re-watch it with NO expectations of how it should have gone...it gets a little better (still not great), but better.

    #176 2 years ago
    Quoted from wisefwumyogwave:

    What scene did she have the jedi texts? I musta missed it? And yes the movie SUCKED we all couldve gone without the spacecow milking.

    They open a drawer on the Millennium Falcon later in the movie and you can see the books in there.

    #177 2 years ago

    From a recent interview about Luke dying in Epsidoe 8. I agree with Hamill. All of the original characters are being killed off just to make room for the new ones...bs.

    "Hamill dealt with the news of his character’s demise in stages of grief. You already heard him express denial. Originally, the actor reacted with bargaining. “The first thing I said was, ‘Can’t you wait and do this in Episode IX?’”

    But Johnson said it was necessary to keep the focus on the new characters as the trilogy reached its end. "

    #178 2 years ago

    Mark Hamill said something like: "to those people expecting to rekindle a piece of their childhood, remember: it's just a movie"

    Watched it last night. I definitely didn't think it was perfect, by any means. It would have been great to have another Rankor type moment, or more AT-AT walkers (love em!), but the movie definitely did not disappoint.
    The 3D was great, special effects were fantastic, and it was about 2.5 hours long.
    Numerous times I thought they were about to roll the credits, and leave us with a cliffhanger ending, but that didn't happen. Great ending, tying everything up "until next time".
    I thought it swayed a little from the typical StarWars world (the casino storyline seemed more like Harry Potter somehow, to me) in certain parts, but overall felt like it was much better than the average StarWars movie, and far better than number 7.

    It's tough when you want it to be the StarWars movie that you would design and write, but that's how life goes.
    It's a very entertaining story, and worthy of the StarWars title.

    #179 2 years ago

    They killed snoke WAY too early. I wanted him and and luke to duel

    #180 2 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    "That's not a moon..."
    The Death Stars were the size of MOONS. Too big for that sort of stunt I imagine.

    All they had to do was hit the core with a torpedo... a light speed ship wouldn't create some energy similar?

    It... like luke's loki trick.. tracking hyperspace jumps (instead of tracker beacons)... and many other 'new gags' in this movie are part of the problem with the credibility aspects of this film..

    #181 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I think ultimately there was too much comedy, it felt very much like a Marvel film or Transformer film

    The gags in the first act of the film were definitely up and down... some good, some just unnecessary.. with the total being more bad than good. Then during the nap portion of the film it quiets down... then you get the best humor moment of the film where the shuttle pilot says 'right away sir' after Ken pummels the guy who resisted. Great timing and is a throw back to earlier SW moments too.

    #182 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    Here is where I'm at: Better than the prequels...worse than the originals. I gave it 6.5 to 7 rating.
    1) You can certainly drop bombs in space! The ship they are being dropped from has gravity. Therefore the bombs drop from the ship. Once they hit open space they continue on their path at the same speed until they hit something.

    That is the worst explaination attempted I've seen. Gravity is not an up/down thing - it's a force vector towards something. If you want to say it was gravity, going AWAY from your center doesn't create a PUSH. Gravity is a vector towards the mass.. so going out the 'other side' means the vector points the other way.

    The only thing that makes sense is the idea the bombs are 'pushed' - but that's not the sense that is setup with the whole thing trying to mimic a WWII bombing run. And I guess there is some force field that is keeping the interior of the ship intact?

    Quoted from Astropin:

    2) You can survive in open space for several minutes. In fact you would die of suffocation before you would die from freezing.

    Horrendously, wrong. No - the vacuum of space would cause gases inside of you to rapidly expand.. your blood becomes useless.. you black out from the lack of oxygen in seconds. You become a bloated, paralyzed, comatose chunk in less than 30 seconds. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/

    Quoted from Astropin:

    3) Leia has always been strong in the force. She's used it to some degree in every movie she's been in. Makes sense that she would be even stronger with it at this point.

    As I recall, she's only every reached out to sense or talk to others.

    -2
    #183 2 years ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    you get the best humor moment of the film where the shuttle pilot says 'right away sir' after Ken pummels the guy who resisted.

    That was a great moment in comedic timing, but I really enjoyed the first gag in the film. That whole “I’m on hold for the commander.” Bit was precious. I totally unexpected it, the music was suspenseful and your expecting some great heros taunt, but in the end he’s just fu€king around and trolling the commander.

    #184 2 years ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    That was a great moment in comedic timing, but I really enjoyed the first gag in the film. That whole “I’m on hold for the commander.” Bit was precious. I totally unexpected it, the music was suspenseful and your expecting some great heros taunt, but in the end he’s just fu€king around and trolling the commander.

    I was okay with that one as well (other than adding in the “your mother” at the end, a bit too juevinile).

    I wasn’t a fan of the blond male villain dude the gag was played on either, too panicky to be a commander of anything, wouldn’t cut it in a military force at all actually.

    #185 2 years ago

    Saw it opening night with dad as we hav every film since 77, enjoyed it, liked seeing the Jedi are dead but the force is for all. Only scene I didn’t like was Leia flying through space

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    #186 2 years ago

    just saw it. From all the slap stick humor right off the bat. It was cringe worthy. really bad. The pointless casino chase scene was drawn out and boring. After half of the movie was bored and just wanted it to end. character development was empty once again. I try to want to care about the characters, but they lost what little attachment you may have gotten from EP7. Action sequences all lacked any substance. There were some good parts, but not enough to save the movie. Just felt empty and unfeeling through the entire movie. the first half , made it so I stopped giving a shit for the second half. There was never a point, I was captivated by any of the characters.

    #187 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I wasn’t a fan of the blond male villain dude the gag was played on either, too panicky to be a commander of anything, wouldn’t cut it in a military force at all actually.

    I’ve worked for a lot of dudes like that.

    #188 2 years ago

    Saw it today and enjoyed it except for the floating scene.

    #189 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    just saw it. From all the slap stick humor right off the bat. It was cringe worthy. really bad. The pointless casino chase scene was drawn out and boring. After half of the movie was bored and just wanted it to end. character development was empty once again. I try to want to care about the characters, but they lost what little attachment you may have gotten from EP7. Action sequences all lacked any substance. There were some good parts, but not enough to save the movie. Just felt empty and unfeeling through the entire movie. the first half , made it so I stopped giving a shit for the second half. There was never a point, I was captivated by any of the characters.

    Agree with you 100%. The entire film just had this off feeling to it. Episode 7 was the far better film in my opinion. None of the new characters, other then Poe, seemed to grow as a character in the 8th film.

    I'm also just pissed how Disney chose to handle Mark Hamill's portrayal as Luke Skywalker in Episode 8, no wonder he disagreed with them about it. Same with Snoke. Want to kill Luke Skywalker? Fine! Do it in the 9th film when Kylo tries to turn back to the light side and save Rey only to have Snoke stop both. Luke flys in and saves both, battling Snoke until he's killed in the process. Rey and Kylo then stop Snoke, done. That I feel is the ending the fans would have wanted.

    #190 2 years ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Want to kill Luke Skywalker? Fine! Do it in the 9th film when Kylo tries to turn back to the light side and save Rey only to have Snoke stop both. Luke flys in and saves both, battling Snoke until he's killed in the process. Rey and Kylo then stop Snoke, done. That I feel is the ending the fans would have wanted.

    Nyah. I like Luke taking on the Yoda role. He's not there to fight anymore. He's at peace knowing someone like Rey, the student, will surpass their talent.

    #191 2 years ago

    No new SW Movie can give us what the original trilogy did. But I liked this way better than the prequels and VII.

    #192 2 years ago

    Horrible movie, only decent scene was the saber fight in the throne room.

    They took all the canon from prior Star Wars movies and threw it in the trash.

    Makes Episodes 1-2-3 look good by comparison.

    #193 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Horrible movie, only decent scene was the saber fight in the throne room.
    They took all the canon from prior Star Wars movies and threw it in the trash.
    Makes Episodes 1-2-3 look good by comparison.

    wow that is harsh. damn.

    #194 2 years ago

    Just saw it with the kids. Wished I had a light saber to put myself out of my misery. Even the popcorn was terrible, as if the theatre staff just wanted me to have a consistent experience.

    #195 2 years ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    That I feel is the ending the fans would have wanted.

    Ahh yes, more fan service. Personally I like to go see movies I haven't seen before. Your plot outline is so boring and predictable.

    #196 2 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    Ahh yes, more fan service. Personally I like to go see movies I haven't seen before. Your plot outline is so boring and predictable.

    Yes, the movies should be made for the fans. Instead this one wasn't and that's why it has a 56% user Rotten Tomatoes score.

    The whole "Episode 8 is great because it blows Star Wars and it's characters up" is a bunch of BS in my opinion. Instead it makes Star Wars feel like something else.

    Honestly, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I think Star Wars seemed more like Star Wars when George Lucas was involved.

    #197 2 years ago
    Quoted from northvibe:

    But honestly what franchise with sequels do people actually like? I don't think they could ever make a movie that original fans would like.

    I went into Bladerunner 2049 expecting to hate it as a pointless, unneeded sequel and left thinking they absolutely crushed it. It can be done.

    The problem with these sequels and TLJ in particular is that Disney seems to think they need to rewrite the rules that have been laid down for the SW galaxy of the course of 7 films (counting R1). If TLJ had been half as concerned with telling a coherent story as it was with upending SW tropes the would have knocked it out of the park. Instead we get stuff like floating space Leia and Rey, who is able to add whatever untrained Force power at will to advance the plot. New characters to bring in new fans is fine...but there are rules laid down in the galaxy far, far away. Ignore them and feel our nerd wrath.

    Side note...just because you're introducing new characters doesn't mean the old ones need to be brought back just to be killed off.

    #198 2 years ago

    This is how I felt after about 30 min into the movie. Felt this when "ghost" yoda showed up, rolling around with his feet in the air laughing as well. OMG, are you fawking kidding me? At some points it seemed like an SNL skit. And what's with the lack of character development in the SW universe (post 1983)? Every movie seems to have 2 dimensional characters that lack any kind of attachment for the audience. I know directors of today are capable of it. We see it in most of the super hero movies. Saw it in the LOTR franchise. ST has no problems making characters for you to associate and bond with....why not SW?

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    #199 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    2) You can survive in open space for several minutes. In fact you would die of suffocation before you would die from freezing.

    Where on earth did you get that idea? Try about 15 seconds.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/08/can_you_survive_in_space_without_a_spacesuit.html

    #200 2 years ago

    "Mark Hamill Hates The Last Jedi" lol

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