But it certainly could be popular there. It just needs to improve its content.

I wonder what the Chinese critics have said about the latest offering, Kennedy, and all the social justice warrior tie ins featured in the movie. I’m sure they were less kind to Disney than those here in the states that perhaps thought Disney may deny them press passes in the future if they didn’t give TLJ a positive review...

Now you're equating a "good product" with box office numbers? If only it were up to the quality level of the Transformers movies which make bank there

Agreed, quality doesn’t equal box office success. But a movie in the mold of TLJ with that plot structure was never going to be a big hit in China.

I’m sure someone knows what sells in Chinese theaters. I don’t think we’ve heard from them yet in this thread. But I’d be a little surprised if the Chinese movie audience is as obsessed with this “SJW” mumbo jumbo as Pinside appears to be.

This movie will sell in China. AND will eventually pass the 2 billion mark....

If by sell you mean half the number as what Force Awakens sold, then yes it will sell.

I thought the whole "SJW" thing in Star Wars was a joke and mocking people that use the term. I can't believe anyone actually takes it seriously or cares.

The film as a chapter in the new sequels or as a stand alone story is a joke. No need to nitpick about specifics really

I saw it over the weekend and thought it was cool.

As for people who saw it at 4 am after waiting in the cold for 36 hours or people who've legally changed their name to "Han Skywalker" or something, how could they not be disappointed? It's as if millions of nerds suddenly cried out "my life" and then took to the internet to bitch about it.

If it's salt you're after, you've come to the right thread!

I hope the next film is just 100% Space Ghosts.

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Here are my kicks to an already dead horse.

Yes as many others have stated, the Leia floating back was the absolute worst thing they could have done (reminded me of Mary Poppins). It would have been a perfect time to write her out. I think this was the lowest part of the film. Also, why kill off Ackbar?!

The casino planet scene was sh?t. I don't know what else to say there.

It was a bit of a let down for me and I'd give it a 6/10.

I thaught the scene with Leia pulling herself back to the ship with the force was great. Yes It may have been awkwardly filmed, but I overlooked that. It was a good display of her power with the force. After 30 years of learning to tap into her force power, I think that pulling herself back to the ship would be the least she could do. Force users can push and pull things with the force. This is nothing new. So I don't get the hate with that scene from people. Is it the way it was filmed, or the act of pulling her way back to the ship?

Because she isn't a "force user."

But more than anything it was SO badly done; Just looked so horrible.

not only did she magically learn how to force pull, but she also learned how to make her own oxygen heat bubble instantly, in an unconscious state. Granted, there is a lot of unbelievable aspects to movies like this, but there has to be some level of believability to it, or your mind just dismisses it all as ridiculous. Which is what happened here to pretty much all of this movie.

But they’ll win you back with the next stand-alone film: “Gone in 60 Parsecs: a Star Wars Story.”

Sadly, this scene and your “explanation” is more plausible than Rey instantly being a badass at anything and everything Jedi and force related (besting trained Sith Appretices TWICE and Snokes guards without any training herself) as well as naturally being an awesome pilot of the MF the first time she tries it (besting First Order pilots without any training herself).

I dislike the protagonist so much that I actually want the dark side to win to wrap up this trilogy.

On that note, I always found Luke's Jedi training to be a bit perfunctory as well. Obi-wan dropped a little wisdom on him on the Falcon on the commute to Alderaan, and then he spent a few days with Yoda at Jedi camp. Maybe all it really takes is a long weekend, and the Dark Side training regimen is just horribly inefficient.

Well, Obi Wan trained Luke the basics 3 years before his trip to Yoda. So Luke refines his skills using his training from Obi Wan over those 3 years. I assumed he was with Yoda for like a month but maybe I need to watch ESB again. Even still, he leaves Dagobah to fight Vader and gets his ass worked over because he wasn’t ready yet. It takes another year of training and refining his skills before facing off again in RotJ where he finally bests Vader. A far cry from Anakin and Obi Wan’s decade plus long training for sure, but compared to Rey he trained for an eternity and still isn’t half as good as she is.

Well yeah it's pretty well stated/shown that Luke left his training early and gets his dick knocked in the dirt by Vader. The only reason he wasn't sliced into quarters was they were trying to turn him to the sexy side. By ROTJ time, don;t know if it's stated but it's made to look like a good amount of time, his whole demeanor is changed and he's all grow'd up.

I'm almost a lifer routing for the Empire. I actually routed for no-one in the prequels since Maul was a bad ass but thrown away and the only bad guy is the empo...senator palpatine No no no no

Ahhh that old chestnut lol.... the fanboys whining about the movie. Sorry buddy that critics of the critcs of tlj argument doesnt cut it.
This is just a straight up badly written badly told story. Some of the ideas were cool... but the way it was told stunk.

I’m actually interested to know what scenes or how many scenes of this movie you thought were so “cool” that it essentially made the whole movie “cool”? I found quite a few scenes cool. Didn’t make the movie as a whole any better though.

Finally got around to seeing TLJ and y'all nerds are flipping out over nothing. Movie was a blast. Great Star Wars flick.
Star Wars is dead, long live Star Wars!

Well, then again every movie is good when you’re high.

I'm Mary Poppins yall

Wait till you see the New Mary Poppins movie.

Nuh uh, seriously? You cant reboot Mary Poppins.

Yup, already made! Mary, a new one, comes back to help out 20 years later.

With the force!

Release Date Christmas Day 2018. Had to look it up. Shes an all new bad ass Mary with a light saber pissed at lea for stealing her floating trick.

I'll humor you here for a second but before that I just want to point out that you're now over 20 posts deep in this thread, spending a lot of time on something you supposedly hate. If it's so weak, why don't you move on and spend your time more productively? Movies are art. There's no "right" or "wrong" answer here. Some people liked it, some people didn't. So what? You're so concerned with forcing your opinion down everybody else's throat that you can't let it go. As I originally said, some of you have over-invested yourselves in the thing so now you're massively let down. Not everybody sees it like you or has the same taste or opinions as you do. Why can't you let that go?

So, what was "cool" about the movie to me?

The opening sequence: I liked the bombers and the direction Poe's character is taking.

Kylo Ren's character was more "real" than past villains and this movie continued to flesh him out. Same thing goes for Luke's character. The lines between good and evil are blurring a lot more in these newer movies and I kind of dig that.

I LIKE how certain things were never explained. For example, who's Snoke? Like the Emperor, he's just some mysterious guy, then he gets killed. I see a lot of people bitching about that but that was one of the main reasons I didn't like the Prequels very much. I thought they explained too much. The Emperor was actually less interesting to me after the prequels.

I LIKED how Rey is a natural bad-ass and just picks up the force naturally. Instead of being like "that's impossible" I was like, "who is this and why is she so much more advanced?" Why are some people just naturally good at pinball, or piano? I don't know, but it gives me something to think about.

I liked how the concept of the "force" was handled in general.

Ray actually almost, sort of, turning Kylo Ren was a surprising, in a good way. I never expected Snoke to die like that and it made we wonder "what's going to happen next".

The light-speed suicide assault was great. Sweet idea.

The Benicio Del Toro character was great.

Luke using the force to make it appear he was in the battle was great. I didn't see that coming.

I like how there were very subtle tie ins to Empire Strikes Back. I think this one did a better job at that than the last one, where the links/nods to the original Star Wars were a lot more direct.

Overall, there were more good parts in it for me than bad. There were plenty of things I could complain about too but they weren't the end of the world and nothing I'm going to spend post after post harping on about.

Argue with that all you want but this is not a matter of objective truth.

Frankly, nothing done in Star Wars after Return of the Jedi has had close to the same impact on me as the originals and I've got no delusions that this will ever change. I don't like to watch the "specialized" versions of the original movies now that I've got access to the theatrical cuts. The prequels were terrible in my opinion. I think these later movies are better but they're not anything close to the originals for me. Part of that is the originals were great movies, and part of that is my age and the state of the world at the time those movies came out.

You're completely free to disagree with any or all of what I said and it doesn't make you any more right or me any more wrong.

Totally agree with almost everything you said.
I thought some of the humour was cringe, but then I rewatched RotJ with my daughter and it has goofy muppets. It was epic Star Wars action through and through.

One more thing I liked was the sense that all of the new characters really have come in to their own, and we can say goodbye to the original character arcs.
Also liked the character Rose.
Only things I didn't care for were some of the gambling planet scenes, and the shiny stormtrooper appearance seemed forced into an already packed plot.

with Lin Manuel Miranda!

Hey remember my shiny ass?
No...none of us did or care at all. Completely pointless.

Midichlorians!

Rotten Tomatoes now at 49%

For the record

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Forbes thinks Disney screwed the pooch too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/06/last-jedi-has-set-its-first-box-office-record-biggest-ever-sequel-to-sequel-plunge/#30b86d5b42ee

Wrong. It was established in Return of the Jedi that Leia is strong with the force. Yoda referred to her as another hope. Luke also said that she would eventually learn to use the force as he did. So therefore is it reasonable to assume that over 30 years, she leaned how to use the force to move objects (including herself in the fashion Shen did). She is therefore by definition a force user.

That's great if this where the first in the trilogy, but it isn't and they didn't hint to anything in the first one. And fine, they don;t have to tell me every little thing but the main reason this movie isn't great is the 2 totally diff'rent directions by 2 directors.

JJ Abrams on Laea not using the force at all...TFA

"It was a great question, and one that we talked about quite a bit, even with Carrie [Fisher]…Why did she not take advantage of this natural Force strength that this character had. And one of the answers was that it was simply a choice that she made, that her decision to run the Rebellion, and ultimately this Resistance, and consider herself a General, as opposed to a Jedi. It was simply a choice that she took."

Rotten Tomatoes is horseshit.

Fair enough, although you could imagine Madeline Albright wearing that getup, and in her sixty seconds on screen, I took Mon Mothma to be more of a big picture strategy type than a battleship commander. Regardless, Laura Dern's slinky evening wear number was several more steps removed from professional garb. Maybe all the shit went down on casual Friday.

Dear Last Jedi fans,

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It’s not that she is strong in the force...it’s because she’s blown into f@&$ing space without any spacesuit and isn’t dead. She doesn’t implode or freeze to death, but instead wakes up and superwoman’s herself to safety. It’s truly a facepalm moment.

Oh: and Admiral Ackbar is unceremoniously killed and forgotten. WTF???

If you got it flaunt it baby!

1. Too True
2. Akbar is just a cog in the machine. He got his face time in ROTJ and that's all that was needed.