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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #951 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Well it worked fine with Rogue One.
    J/K that thing was a mess.

    Well, the upvote thing didn't last long...huh?

    #952 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    what I dont' get from ep 7, is how did lukes fathers lightsaber even get back into anyones possession? Remember, it was in lukes hand, when it got cut off. Fell down the shaft of cloud city, and fell into space when the garbage chute opened and luke was left holding his nub.

    Apparently when tlj extended edition comes out we'll get the alternate deleted scene where he asks Rey "did a hand come with this"?

    #953 2 years ago

    The movie is for Star Wars people who hate Star Wars.

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    #954 2 years ago
    Quoted from GetTheJackpot:

    The movie is for Star Wars people who hate Star Wars.

    I’m still waiting to hear about the script that would have satisfied everyone. Many Bothans died writing it.

    #955 2 years ago

    What I dont understand is why he bothered with the bottle, should have just sprayed that shit direct to mouth.

    #956 2 years ago

    I saw TLJ again tonight. I still didn't love it, but definitely enjoyed it more on a second viewing. Despite some sizeable flaws it's more enjoyable than not, something I could never say about the Prequels. FWIW, my brother and cousin, neither of whom had seen it yet, both enjoyed it as well.

    So what works about it? Luke is fun to watch - I liked him as a cranky old master. Rey and Kylo's scenes are solid. The last half hour of the movie -- Hoth 2.0 fight, Luke's force hologram trick and death, showdown with Snoke -- all worked well and was enjoyable, though I could have done without the last 1.5 minutes of inspirational stable urchins, that felt like an old George Lucas move.

    What doesn't work? It's easily 30-45 minutes too long. You can feel the bloat in the casino scene, as they drift into war monger profiteering political exposition and camel racing nonsense. As my friend remarked, the Cantina is iconic and it was on the screen for like four minutes -- if we'd hung out there for half an hour, toured the basement, and learned about what a terrible boss the owner was, it would have been lame. Static flying space Leia remains extremely cheesy and unnecessary -- if they weren't going to kill her, leave her on the ship. And the hyperspace suicide bomb trick was just horrible - we're just going to have to agree to collectively pretend that never happened, since even the nerds on reddit can't come up with a colorable explanation.

    But the few big whiffs weren't enough to kill my enjoyment of the film. Maybe I'm just old and less attached to the franchise. Maybe I was kicked in the nuts enough times by George Lucas that I'm desensitized. But I'd be fine with my kids seeing this one alongside TFA when they're older, whereas the Prequels will never be shown at my house.

    Now when are we starting a thread about the new Jumanji picture? And why haven't they added The Rock to the SW films yet? That guy's great in everything!

    #957 2 years ago

    Had a buddy say he enjoyed it more the second time as well.
    Let's make one thing clear, even with Laura Dern, this thing was WAY better than the prequels

    #958 2 years ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    I’m still waiting to hear about the script that would have satisfied everyone. Many Bothans died writing it.

    George Lucas needs to follow OJ's example. Guaranteed #1 bestseller.....

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    #959 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    George Lucas needs to follow OJ's example. Guaranteed #1 bestseller.....

    Patton Oswalt summed up Lucas' work on the Prequels nicely:

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Let's make one thing clear, even with Laura Dern, this thing was WAY better than the prequels

    I know a lot of people didn't dig Laura Dern's hair, but I was thrown off by the fact that she was commanding an armada in a ball gown. If second-in-command types were supposed to be in formal wear, where was Poe's tux?

    #960 2 years ago

    Meh. I would love to hear the story outline he pitched to Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford to get them onboard for another trilogy. And then how he gave that outline & story ideas to Kathleen Kennedy when he sold SW to Disney, and they promptly threw them in the trash. Along with most of the expanded universe. It will probably never be discussed or come to light, but there’s a lot of fans out there who are curious.

    I’m 100% sure I would have enjoyed Lucas’ ideas for Episodes 7-9 more than what we’ve gotten from the disjointed, make-this-up-as-we-go, female centered bullshit we’ve gotten from the group thinktank at Disney.

    #961 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I’m 100% sure I would have enjoyed Lucas’ ideas for Episodes 7-9 more than what we’ve gotten from the disjointed, make-this-up-as-we-go, female centered bullshit we’ve gotten from the group thinktank at Disney.

    Interesting take. As much as some folks hate the new stuff, I haven't seen a ton of "wish we had Lucas back" sentiment. I for one was relieved to hear that Disney wasn't interested in further input from Lucas when that story broke. I still haven't forgiven him for remixing the OT and refusing to release decent prints of the unadulterated films, let alone for the Prequels or for marrying off Indiana Jones at the end of Crystal Skull (a giant F-U to the fans that was!). The last decent ideas Lucas hatched were in The Last Crusade, and it's been a while ...

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    #962 2 years ago

    Best review so far!

    #963 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Interesting take. As much as some folks hate the new stuff, I haven't seen a ton of "wish we had Lucas back" sentiment.

    Are you kidding me? I can think of one reviewer who stated at the time of sale once Disney is done with Star Wars you will be BEGGING for Lucas to return.

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    #964 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I know a lot of people didn't dig Laura Dern's hair, but I was thrown off by the fact that she was commanding an armada in a ball gown. If second-in-command types were supposed to be in formal wear, where was Poe's tux?

    It wasn't the hair since there are aliens around. It wasn't the ball gown because they've had ball gowns in the past. Just didn't fit. Plus the story around her was so dumb it didn't help

    A lot of it is age. People that think the prequels are acceptable are usually younger and grew up with them, or watched them with their kids and enjoyed them that way

    . Or are drug addicts.

    #965 2 years ago

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    #966 2 years ago

    kylo gave him a mercy killing. So I guess he is good.

    #967 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I would love to hear the story outline he pitched to Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford to get them onboard for another trilogy. And then how he gave that outline & story ideas to Kathleen Kennedy when he sold SW to Disney, and they promptly threw them in the trash. Along with most of the expanded universe. It will probably never be discussed or come to light, but there’s a lot of fans out there who are curious.

    Haven’t read it yet myself, but maybe this is the story notes you’re looking for:
    http://uproxx.com/hitfix/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy/

    I’m thinking we’d have finally got that deep dive into the chemistry and biology of midichlorians we were all jonesing for after the Prequels.

    #968 2 years ago

    Yeah I read that article. I'm talking about reading his entire outline for Episodes 7-9, which would never happen, because people could objectively judge what Disney came up with. Maybe someday he'll open up in an off the cuff interview. I'm just curious.

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    I remember when this early pre-production art got leaked before TFA, which was very early in the creative process. Something about "Relic Hunters", how they draw their power from ancient & lost Jedi/Sith artifacts. Digging up Vader's bones, hunting down Luke's lost lightsaber, Yoda's old staff, Palpetine's robes, etc. While everything has been peaceful for 30 years since ROTJ, and Luke has trained his new generation of Jedi at his Academy and grown complacent in his old age. This all allows for this new breed of evil to rise up, threaten everything the New Republic has come to build, and eventually leading them to hunt down Luke, Leia, Han and their all children. After these Hunters take everything & everyone away that Luke holds dear, he unleashes the full extent of the Force, unlike anything anyone has ever seen before to save the galaxy.

    Sound better than the complete crap writing we've gotten so far with this new trilogy? Yeah I thought so. This stuff practically writes itself.

    #969 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Sound better than the complete crap writing we've gotten so far with this new trilogy? Yeah I thought so. This stuff practically writes itself.

    Sounds like an interesting idea for a spinoff. Also sounds like nothing Lucas would have done.

    #970 2 years ago

    When I first saw the Knights of Ren, I thought "Oh man...The relic hunters!".......NOPE. Haha. Two movies in & still have no clue what they are.

    #971 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Two movies in & still have no clue what they are.

    Agreed. Look I was depressed when Ren smashed his helmet form the get go...that voice was cool.

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    #972 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Had a buddy say he enjoyed it more the second time as well.
    Let's make one thing clear, even with Laura Dern, this thing was WAY better than the prequels

    After a 2nd viewing I'll have to agree to disagree with you here. In particular revenge of the sith is a significantly better SW movie. At least it wasnt used to push a gender or animal rights message

    I take my hat off to Rian Johnson for achieving something quite difficult... to not only make a farce of SW but to actually make its preceding film worse as well. Good job RJ.

    In fact after the 2nd viewing I'd like to chsnge my vote. I originally voted it was decent and better than the prequels.... nope its garbage.

    #973 2 years ago

    They fucked the pooch on this one. I shit you not!

    #974 2 years ago
    Quoted from Goronic:

    They fucked the pooch on this one. I shit you not!

    Thanks for your elaborate dissertation.

    #975 2 years ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    After a 2nd viewing I'll have to agree to disagree with you here. In particular revenge of the sith is a significantly better SW movie.

    Fair enough, Its personal pref . but The movie that brought us NOOOOOOOOOO, "I have the high ground," dying of a broken heart, a robot with lung cancer, Palpatine s No no no no etc... Not exactly a high water mark.

    #976 2 years ago
    Quoted from Goronic:

    They fucked the pooch on this one. I shit you not!

    Short and to the point, I like it.

    Now 50% at RT and the critics rating going down as well.

    I hear Disney is looking at a follow up book that "explains" various events in the movie as damage control, good luck with that.

    Profanity warning, don't be drinking coffee either.

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    #977 2 years ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    omething about "Relic Hunters", how they draw their power from ancient & lost Jedi/Sith artifacts.

    Sigh... this one sentence held my interest more than TLJ did. If only we'd gotten something like this.

    #978 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    a robot with lung cancer,

    No one has lung cancer. Mace Windu crushed his lungs and other organs during the Clone Wars cartoon. When General Grevious was 100% he pretty terrifying, he wiped out Darth Maul’s people nearly single handedly.

    The prequels were a billion times the story TLJ was. You have a villain that makes sense and slowly corrupted the republic from within with subtle manipulation and political moves...not like the First Order that just waived a magic wand and became the empire and instantly subjected tens of thousands of worlds for no reason whateversoever (lazy writing).

    #979 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    I hear Disney is looking at a follow up book that "explains" various events in the movie as damage control, good luck with that

    Yea, few people are going to waste their time reading yet more stuff from Kennedy and her band of SJWs they want to disrespect their own fantasy world.

    I stuck with Star Wars through thick and thin, I even defend the prequels (which I believe were pretty good, though I recognize some dialog weaknesses) and the expanded universe (even the Force Monsters), but what Kennedy has done to the universe is shameful (and I had some fun in the movie, and laughed in several spots, but recognize is weakened the franchise horribly).

    #980 2 years ago

    Yeah whatever man. The fact the prequels 'make sense' doesn't make everything else horrible aboot them disappear. Lazy writing vs Lucas writing... Look nobody is coming out smelling like roses here.

    #981 2 years ago

    At least in the prequels you cared about the characters, even if it was because of their roles later in the franchise.

    if poe died a the start of the next movie who cares
    if finn dies at the start of the next movie who cares
    if rose dies at the start of the next movie who cares
    if maz katana dies at the start of the next movie who cares
    if leia dies at the start or off screen who cares
    snokes dead, lukes dead.
    if hux dies at the start of the next movie who cares
    when phasma comes back to die again to sell toys, who cares

    who else do we have? The droids and Chewie the last from the OG trilogy

    so we have Rey and Kylo Ren? a kid with a mop?

    #982 2 years ago

    Cared about anakin , padma, Jimmy Smitts, Mace windu? 100,0000,000000 clones, twice as many droids, the younglings, the Senate... Wtf are you talking aboot?

    #983 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Cared about anakin , padma, Jimmy Smitts, Mace windu? 100,0000,000000 clones, twice as many droids, the younglings, the Senate... Wtf are you talking aboot?

    more invested in those characters than anything in TLJ

    when Qui-gon Jinn was killed that was more emotional than anything in this movie.

    do you like kylo rens struggle between light/dark more than anakins?

    Anakin was passionate about something that caused him to stray and fall down to the dark side and you see it thru Padme, Palpatine, Mace Windus death, friendship with Obi wan, etc as a progression. Maybe not the best acting/dialogue but its there.

    if people are saying to look past all the BS in TLJ, then they should be able to look past the BS in 1 2 3 lol.

    Kylo is an emo kid who apparently went to the dark side cause luke was going to kill him? but wasnt? Kylo hasnt cared about anyone really, killed his dad, didnt kill his mom, who cares. We dont know why he went down the dark side, except luke somehow sensed it in him so he was going to kill him which then turned him to the dark side? wtf.

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    #984 2 years ago

    Saw the new movie via a downloaded bootleg (It's no Death Blow, that's for sure!) after reading the plot on Wikipedia. I enjoyed it and will watch it again in the theaters after I rewatch The Force Awakens.

    Star Wars: The Last Jedi Makes The Force Awakens Much More Interesting
    https://kotaku.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-makes-the-force-awakens-much-m-1821721569/amp

    I like the Star Wars franchise but I don't consider the films a religion or even some of the best films ever made. I can't relate to all the triggered SW nerds who are whinging about how their childhood is ruined.

    #985 2 years ago
    Quoted from guyincognito:

    Saw the new movie via a downloaded bootleg (It's no Death Blow, that's for sure!) after reading the plot on Wikipedia. I enjoyed it and will watch it again in the theaters after I rewatch The Force Awakens.
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi Makes The Force Awakens Much More Interesting
    https://kotaku.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-makes-the-force-awakens-much-m-1821721569/amp
    I like the Star Wars franchise but I don't consider the films a religion or even some of the best films ever made. I can't relate to all the triggered SW nerds who are whinging about how their childhood is ruined.
    » YouTube video

    you can buy pinball machines but cant pay for a $10 movie ticket? pretty lame.

    #986 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Fair enough, Its personal pref . but The movie that brought us NOOOOOOOOOO, "I have the high ground," dying of a broken heart, a robot with lung cancer, Palpatine s No no no no etc... Not exactly a high water mark.

    oh yeah. EP3 was a shitfest. There is so much of that movie that is dogshit, it's not even funny. TLJ is a piece of crap...don't get me wrong. But I wouldn't want lucas back in the chair either. Anything he's involved in, turns to shit as well. Look at IJ4. His Midas touch has turned to Poopies. He needs to stay in his little Special effects department, and never direct or be involved with the directing aspect with anything ever again.

    #987 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    more invested in those characters than anything in TLJ
    ...
    do you like kylo rens struggle between light/dark more than anakins?

    Agree to disagree on the first point.

    I actually like Kylo's better. But other than perfectly flossing the whinny & entitled millennial attitude so well, he doesn't have much to go against.
    Anakin in 2 & 3 (jesus whom would have thought the kid in #1 would be better) is possibly the worst character portrayal of a main character all time. There is not 1 believable line/action at any point in the movies. It's so bad and laughable it's C-movie type stuff.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    if people are saying to look past all the BS in TLJ, then they should be able to look past the BS in 1 2 3 lol.

    Hey man that's 3 movies full of garbage against 1, no fair!

    #988 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    more invested in those characters than anything in TLJ

    The prequels at least had some decent characters- Mace, The Emperor, Darth Maul, Obi-Wan even the older Anakin Skywalker for the whining bitch he was. Lucas forgot how to tell a decent story is the biggest problem, some lazy camera work (see below) and being surrounded by yes men who convinced him he could do no wrong..

    The Empire Strikes back really shines as it was NOT shot by Lucas but by Irvin Kershner. Kershner was intent in getting the best out of the actors and materiel which annoyed the hell out of Lucas who was notorious for perfunctory takes and just moving along. Kershner would work with the cast to get the best take and would do several until he thought it was right.

    How can you even begin to like Padme when the actress is stiff as a board? ugh. Lucas had little interest in motivating the cast for the best they could do. Not to mention everyone knows how the prequels is going to end, Anakin is going to be Vader. That is a huge hurdle and Lucas whiffed it.

    It would have been far more interesting if the actor they picked for young Skywalker was closer to being likable so you would be invested in the character as he descended towards being the most evil enforcer in the universe.

    Jake Lloyd was annoying as hell as soon as I laid eyes on him.

    Somethings are best left to the imagination, Vader's full origin would have been one of them.

    #989 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Hey man that's 3 movies full of garbage against 1, no fair!

    lol ill give ya that

    #990 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    lol ill give ya that

    We'll pick this point up after the next movie

    After I see it on Redbox

    #991 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Short and to the point, I like it.
    Now 50% at RT and the critics rating going down as well.
    I hear Disney is looking at a follow up book that "explains" various events in the movie as damage control, good luck with that.
    Profanity warning, don't be drinking coffee either.
    » YouTube video

    I don't want to get into the Prequel VS TLJ argument but I have to say I love the clip where Hamil says "Remember kids, in Hollywood, it's not important if it's of high quality only if it makes money". He hates both of these films, hates them I tell ya....Lol.

    Ok I'll say one thing about the prequels Lucas was woefully out of practice, he hadn't directed anything for a while, also it was a new dawn in movie making with CGI he was too focused on how the movie looked rather than story...that's my opinion. With that said the last one Revenge of the Sith was (in Larry David's voice pretty, pretty good.

    #992 2 years ago

    For me, Rogue One is the worst SW film. (and it's hard to imagine how much worse it was before reshoots)

    2/3rds of that movie is completely pointless. Entire scenes are written as fan service, like where Darth Vader and Krennick discuss things the audience already knows about. The moral dilemma of "should I kill her dad?" is rendered moot when X-wings blow him up. A little girl would not have a Stormtrooper doll (would a French girl have a Nazi doll in 1943?) The main character has zero purpose or agency. The mom committing suicide instead of helping her daughter makes me wonder if the screenwriter ever knew a mother in their life.

    It's all a bunch of filler to get to the end battle - which is pretty good and actually more "Star Wars-y" than TFA or TLJ, but is like putting a cupcake on top of cow manure.

    The prequels were poorly directed and blandly acted, but at least every scene had a purpose, they were consistent within their own logic, and Anakin's choices as a character had effects on the story.

    #993 2 years ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    For me, Rogue One is the worst SW film. (and it's hard to imagine how much worse it was before reshoots)

    Thank you. I like Gareth Edwards previous work so i always figured the "re shoots" actually made it worse...but that's probably wishful thinking.

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    #994 2 years ago

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    #995 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    The prequels at least had some decent characters- Mace, The Emperor, Darth Maul, Obi-Wan even the older Anakin Skywalker for the whining bitch he was. Lucas forgot how to tell a decent story is the biggest problem, some lazy camera work (see below) and being surrounded by yes men who convinced him he could do no wrong..
    The Empire Strikes back really shines as it was NOT shot by Lucas but by Irvin Kershner. Kershner was intent in getting the best out of the actors and materiel which annoyed the hell out of Lucas who was notorious for perfunctory takes and just moving along. Kershner would work with the cast to get the best take and would do several until he thought it was right.
    How can you even begin to like Padme when the actress is stiff as a board? ugh. Lucas had little interest in motivating the cast for the best they could do. Not to mention everyone knows how the prequels is going to end, Anakin is going to be Vader. That is a huge hurdle and Lucas whiffed it.
    It would have been far more interesting if the actor they picked for young Skywalker was closer to being likable so you would be invested in the character as he descended towards being the most evil enforcer in the universe.
    Jake Lloyd was annoying as hell as soon as I laid eyes on him.
    Somethings are best left to the imagination, Vader's full origin would have been one of them.

    really? mace? He is a good character? Really indepth written character?

    Describe Mace Windu as to a person who has never seen star wars. (without describing physical features about them) If someone wanted you to describe him and explain his character. how would you word it?

    #996 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    really? mace? He is a good character? Really indepth written character?

    "You you believe it to be this boy?"

    *nightmares*

    #997 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    Describe Mace Windu as to a person who has never seen star wars. (without describing physical features about them) If someone wanted you to describe him and explain his character. how would you word it?

    Easy. Threshold Guardian style characte in the form of a warrior priest.

    Quo Gon Jinn is a better character (acted by a better actor) than any character in the current “trilogy” (I use that term loosely since Kennedy and her team have no cohesive plan and are making it up as they go).

    #998 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    Describe Mace Windu as to a person who has never seen star wars.

    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Easy. Threshold Guardian style characte in the form of a warrior priest.

    Yeah that should go over well

    #999 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Easy. Threshold Guardian style characte in the form of a warrior priest.
    Quo Gon Jinn is a better character (acted by a better actor) than any character in the current “trilogy” (I use that term loosely since Kennedy and her team have no cohesive plan and are making it up as they go).

    so you are saying he's about as in depth as the emperors royal guards? Because both were about as useful.

    #1000 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    so you are saying he's about as in depth as the emperors royal guards? Because both were about as useful.

    Mace Windu is such a complex character anyone speaking of him immediately changes the subject to Qui Gon Jinn

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