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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #751 2 years ago

    One factor for people debating box office returns for TLJ...

    Overall the industry box office take has been on a downward trend and 2017 was not a good year. Competition from streaming services is hurting the theaters. Still, TLJ will be the top movie in 2017 with only 3 weeks of release. Replacing another Disney release as the top dog in 2017.

    #752 2 years ago
    Quoted from konjurer:

    CinemaScores uses the magic of statistical analysis to determine the overall grade. They are not judging the film one way or the other. They simple take statistically significant samples from theaters across many regions. Much, much more accurate summary of audience sentiment than Rotten Tomatoes user reviews. So they just might know what they are talking about.

    konjurer so you agree with cinemascores A- rating for every prequel ?

    #753 2 years ago

    Cinemascore is a rating of "How much did the movie meet your expectation?" not so much the quality.

    That's why turds like Transformers can get A's - because the audience expected a dumb robot movie and also got one.

    #754 2 years ago

    I’m not saying I agree with the audience. I’m just providing another data point. Rotten Tomatoes isn’t the only or best barometer of goodness.

    I can tell you as I left the theater, the buzz going on around me was very positive.

    #755 2 years ago
    Quoted from konjurer:

    I can tell you as I left the theater, the buzz going on around me was very positive

    Confirmation bias from those who made it a big event for them and their family as opposed to treating it like just another movie. It wears off on people once they leave the theater and sleep on it. This movie will not generate the re-watches that SW normally thrives on.

    #756 2 years ago

    This is what I don't understand. When you create a trilogy don't you write the script for all three at once. Then afterwards break them up in a way that makes sense for the individual parts? If that's not the case then you're really cornered creatively trying to follow somebody else's story/plot arch. TFA was borderline acceptable with a story that didn't take a lot of risks but was respectful of the franchise as a whole. TLJ sadly, didn't follow up with anything that had been established in TFA visually it was beautiful but the plot and character usage & under usage made it not really feel like a star wars film. I don't blame RJ I blame it on the fact that it's owned by Disney & they have too many people on their executive board that think they're creative when indeed they're not.

    I'm happy they attempted something different & I understand that they are phasing out the old & in with the new... but Star Wars is too watered down now for my liking. After being a fan for close to 40 years I can honestly say I'm no longer excited about any further installments. Everything about this last film was lazy & poorly executed from the performances to editing.

    I'd rate this one just a hair above Attack of the Clones. Just my two cents.

    #757 2 years ago
    Quoted from acedanger:

    This is what I don't understand. When you create a trilogy don't you write the script for all three at once. Then afterwards break them up in a way that makes sense for the individual parts? If that's not the case then you're really cornered creatively trying to follow somebody else's story/plot arch

    They're on record as saying there wasn't a big, bulletin board plot outline for this trilogy...they're literally making it up as they go.

    This was a trilogy to restart the money making machine, not to tell a story someone had had in their head for years. Sketchy as they were, at least the prequels gave us that.

    #758 2 years ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    They're on record oon saying there wasn't a big, bulletin board plot outline for this trilogy...they're literally making it up as they go.
    This was a trilogy to restart the money making machine, not to tell a story someone had had in their head for years. Sketchy as they were, at messy the prequels gave us that.

    What I dont get is this is suppose to end the Skywalker story arc of Star Wars, right? and RJ gets a new trilogy to reboot the franchise later.

    BUT
    They killed off Han, Luke is dead (probably a force ghost) and Leia survived this movie but they arent using her in the next one so the Skywalker storyline is dead unless you count Kylo Ren. So he must have to die or be turned in the last one. If they turn him its the same shit as Vader and people will complain. If he dies I think that will be a better ending. Who knows, but I think they shoulda stuck more with the OG characters with this trilogy if you wanted them connected. if not they shoulda started it off after they were all dead and you could still have done the whole Rey and Kylo Ren thing without poorly using the older characters. I would bet that the kid at the end in casino world will be a prominent character in RJ's new trilogy if he still gets one. I doubt they could manage to get a 10 year old with no training in the force to be a big part in the final film, even tho Rey is super duper awesome at becoming the best force user ever sans training.

    Speaking of training, at the end of TFA Snoke tells Hux to bring Kylo to him "to finish his training" when the super duper planet death star 3.0 is about to blow
    I dont think we saw any new force moves from Kylo in TLJ, did he even ever use the force? Besides talking to Rey which Snoke said he facilitated... I honestly cant remember if he did besides the lightsabre snoke kill and trying to grab the lightsabre with the force when Rey and him pulled it in two.

    #759 2 years ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    They're on record as saying there wasn't a big, bulletin board plot outline for this trilogy...they're literally making it up as they go

    That is pathetic, seriously sad. It totally explains why this doesn’t feel like a trilogy in any way though.

    #760 2 years ago
    Quoted from Neal_W:

    If you add the 'who cares' and 'garbage' votes in this thread, compared to the '> than prequels', 'good', and 'great' votes the pinsider opinion is 70% positive. (Higher if you drop the who cares votes considering they didn't see it.)

    Well, or you could look at it like this:

    88 people thought it was garbage

    113 thought it was really good or great

    This would remove the people who thought it was decent, which I would argue that we should hope for better than "decent" for Star Wars. being better than the prequels doesnt take too much (for most people)

    not a huge difference on the extremes

    88 garbage (worst possible option)
    60 great (best possible option)

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    #761 2 years ago

    We all knew there were more movies coming...Disney doesn't drop $4 billion for no reason.

    I was excited when heard they were going to do VII, VIII, and IX as a continuation with the old characters. Then we found out their inclusion was simply a cynical way to get 40- and 50-somethings back in the theater. What surprises and bothers me the most is the contempt Disney has shown towards the old characters and the old fans once they got us there.

    The gruff pirate who woos the princess? Sorry, didn't work out. Stuff happens. Oh, and his kid kills him, and he falls down a pit. The starry-eyed farm boy who grows into a mature, powerful Jedi and brings the second most evil guy in the galaxy back to the light, ridding the galaxy of tyranny? Yeah, sorry...that didn't work so well either. He ran away and hid. And oh yeah...we killed him too. His classic lightsaber he got from his old man via his mentor that we took the trouble to bring back? Broken in half. Yo boy Ackbar, who is completely insignificant but is for some reason a fan favorite? We brought him back for you! Psych! He's dead now too, zero fanfare. At this point I completely expect Chewbacca to get blown up in the Falcon with R2 and Threepio aboard, just to finish wiping the slate clean with a giant "Eff you."

    It's been a positively spiteful treatment of the old characters. Unexpected? Sure, and I guess some view that as a positive. It would also have been unexpected if Leia left politics to sell Tupperware, or if Hux and the First Order burst into a Bollywood song-and-dance. Unexpected doesn't necessarily mean good story telling.

    Disney probably should have just launched into stand-alones. Rogue One was well received. They also could have launched directly into a completely fresh trilogy like Rian Johnson is doing next. Even if that were to disappoint, there'd be far less kickback from fans. As it is, they've given us the worst of both worlds...brought the old characters back, and then treated them like shit to make way for the new.

    Kylo Ren says "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." The problem is, we didn't have to.

    #762 2 years ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    We all knew there were more movies coming...Disney doesn't drop $4 billion for no reason.
    I was excited when heard they were going to do VII, VIII, and IX as a continuation with the old characters. Then we found out their inclusion was simply a cynical way to get 40- and 50-somethings back in the theater. What surprises and bothers me the most is the contempt Disney has shown towards the old characters and the old fans once they got us there.
    The gruff pirate who woos the princess? Sorry, didn't work out. Stuff happens. Oh, and his kid kills him, and he falls down a pit. The starry-eyed farm boy who grows into a mature, powerful Jedi and brings the second most evil guy in the galaxy back to the light, ridding the galaxy of tyranny? Yeah, sorry...that didn't work so well either. He ran away and hid. And oh yeah...we killed him too. His classic lightsaber he got from his old man via his mentor that we took the trouble to bring back? Broken in half. Yo boy Ackbar, who is completely insignificant but is for some reason a fan favorite? We brought him back for you! Psych! He's dead now too, zero fanfare. At this point I completely expect Chewbacca to get blown up in the Falcon with R2 and Threepio aboard, just to finish wiping the slate clean with a giant "Eff you."
    It's been a positively spiteful treatment of the old characters. Unexpected? Sure, and I guess some view that as a positive. It would also have been unexpected if Leia left politics to sell Tupperware, or if Hux and the First Order burst into a Bollywood song-and-dance. Unexpected doesn't necessarily mean good story telling.
    Disney probably should have just launched into stand-alones. Rogue One was well received. They also could have launched directly into a completely fresh trilogy like Rian Johnson is doing next. Even if that were to disappoint, there'd be far less kickback from fans. As it is, they've given us the worst of both worlds...brought the old characters back, and then treated them like shit to make way for the new.

    Lol! Pretty much spot on.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Episode 9 see's Chewie dying along with BB8 and the Porg flying the Falcon to drop C3P0 and R2D2 off at a scrap yard.

    Honestly though I thought Episode 7 get a great job of incorporating the original and new characters. Han Solo still seemed like Han but a more mature version who as a father cared about his son. Episode 8 though just goes over the top in alienating the original characters or killing them off completely.

    #763 2 years ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Honestly though I thought Episode 7 get a great job of incorporating the original and new characters. Han Solo still seemed like Han but a more mature version who as a father cared about his son

    Sorry, I don't mean to be a contrarian but I'm not giving Abrams a pass yet...he sucks too. The whole thing with the way Han died was bullshit, it's just them saving 25 Mil on Ford's future appearances. I mean if you want to kill off the old guard fine, do it but build a f-ing story around it man. The movie opens, Kylo Ren is a bad guy, why? His parents fought the empire, his grandpa killed the f-ing emperor, his uncle is Luke Skywalker FFS! Why put him in a mask and make him look like Vader part deux? Why not just invent a new storyline where Snoke was trying to reconstitute the empire and attack the republic, ala ISIS in the mideast. Why not give Han and Leia a good send off, like them sacrificing their life so Rey and Finn can get away....die as husband and wife holding hands or some BS like that. This stuff just writes itself for chrissakes...Lol. These guys should be working on music videos not on the biggest movie franchise in the world. I can sit here in my living room in my boxers and type up with a more compelling story than this mess they've created.

    #764 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    that there would be a day that Star Trek was wayyyyyyy better than SW. I'd tell you that you were insane.

    StarTrek has always been better than SW's. The Wrath of Khan vs Empire close but Khan wins. Let the geek fest begin.

    #765 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Sorry, I don't mean to be a contrarian but I'm not giving Abrams a pass yet...he sucks too. The whole thing with the way Han died was bullshit, it's just them saving 25 Mil on Ford's future appearances. I mean if you want to kill off the old guard fine, do it but build a f-ing story around it man. The movie opens, Kylo Ren is a bad guy, why? His parents fought the empire, his grandpa killed the f-ing emperor, his uncle is Luke Skywalker FFS! Why put him in a mask and make him a look like Vader part deux? Why not just invent a new storyline where Snoke was trying to reconstitute the empire and attack the republic, ala ISIS in the mideast. Why not give Han and Leia a good send off, like them sacrificing their life so the Rey and Finn can get away....die as husband and wife holding hands or some BS like that. This stuff just writes itself for chrissakes...Lol. These guys should be working on music videos not on the biggest movie franchise in the world. I can sit here in my living room in my boxers and type up with a more compelling story than this mess they've created.

    This is just so true. ^ ^ ^

    The legacy of this movie franchise is what Disney wanted to capitalize on. Spent 4 billion for it, so they weren't toying around.
    I love (d) these movies, always a part of my childhood and then carried it into my adult years, like most of you I am sure.
    Now it feels so..... tarnished.
    The stories are appealing to the youth market who don't know any better to begin with. So much fan service for the feminists, SJW's, diversity nuts etc.

    If they wanted to run in a new direction, so be it. They pulled a bait and switch and pointed out these would be better than the sequels, we have the original cast after all!

    Either write a new story line and run with that, or leave the tried and true heroes alone. Give them some dignity.

    I hope Episode 9 (if you are even brave enough to call these concurrent films) will be lessons learned. Millennial fan fiction sure isn't my thing.

    #766 2 years ago
    Quoted from Flowst:

    This is just so true. ^ ^ ^
    The legacy of this movie franchise is what Disney wanted to capitalize on. Spent 4 billion for it, so they weren't toying around.
    I love (d) these movies, always a part of my childhood and then carried it into my adult years, like most of you I am sure.
    Now it feels so..... tarnished.
    The stories are appealing to the youth market who don't know any better to begin with. So much fan service for the feminists, SJW's, diversity nuts etc.
    If they wanted to run in a new direction, so be it. They pulled a bait and switch and pointed out these would be better than the sequels, we have the original cast after all!
    Either write a new story line and run with that, or leave the tried and true heroes alone. Give them some dignity.
    I hope Episode 9 (if you are even brave enough to call these concurrent films) will be lessons learned. Millennial fan fiction sure isn't my thing.

    I have a feeling TLJ will end up being a disappointment for them, they will rethink the whole approach. As Ben Heck said in an earlier post Solo was a mess too and the directors were fired, the only smart thing they did was put in Howard, he's had his share of misses but he knows how to spin a good yarn. So I'm thinking Solo won't be a huge disappointment but I'd doubt it will hit a Billion in tix sales. Btw, it's no accident Miller and Lord were fired and a veteran was brought in to replace them, same with the episode 9 guy... Trevor was his name or something (?), he was replaced by Abrams. So all is not well in the state of Denmark. Who knows TLJ and Solo may be the last nails in Mrs. Kennedy's coffin. I doubt it, cause boy she is connected to HW elite in a big way.

    #767 2 years ago
    Quoted from Flowst:

    I hope Episode 9 (if you are even brave enough to call these concurrent films) will be lessons learned. Millennial fan fiction sure isn't my thing.

    Unless Kathleen Kennedy and her writers group is removed, don't look for the situation to improve.

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    #768 2 years ago

    Oh fuck....that explains a lot. I mean why all female? Why not a mix of talented people from both sexes and whatever in between? Isn't that reverse sexism? Or just sexism?

    Just found this after reading the post above:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

    Lol....Game over man, game over.

    #769 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Oh fuck....that explains a lot. I mean why all female? Why not a mix of talented people from both sexes and whatever in between? Isn't that reverse sexism? Or just sexism?

    LOL. It's just what people have been saying for years about why NFL owners don't hire black coaches..."The NFL wants to win and they hire the best people! THey are color blind!"

    Ms. Hart hired the best people for the job. It just so happens she hired two writers who happened to be women.

    Are you suggesting some kind of affirmative action here? Do you think they should hire men even if they aren't the best qualified? How would you feel if you were a man who got that job, just because you were a man and not the most qualified? Wouldn't you be insulted?

    #770 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Are you suggesting some kind of affirmative action here?

    Are you asking for my opinion? I call it the way I see it, The entire Sci-Fi think-tank is female, so...right? NP if they're the best at the Sci-fi genre. But does this group fit that bill? The fan dissent started with the TFA and continued with TLJ, then we heard about the shit fest with Solo and now Trevorrow watshisface was dropped for EP 09. I dunno what do you think, winning formula?

    #771 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Are you asking for my opinion? I call it the way I see it, The entire Sci-Fi think-tank is female, so...right? NP if they're the best at the Sci-fi genre. But does this group fit that bill? The fan dissent started with the TFA and continued with TLJ, then we heard about the shit fest with Solo and now Trevorrow watshisface was dropped for EP 09. I dunno what do you think, winning formula?

    I think the gender of the showrunners is irrelevant. Need I remind you that a man - george Lucas - was responsible for three of the worst movies ever made last time around?

    In another aside, that idiot hack over at Forbes Scott “Star Wars is doomed” mendleson, has changed his tune. Guess what!! STAR WARS IS SAVED! Thank god. That was close.

    Does this moron get paid for every use of the word “cume?”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/28/star-wars-is-saved-as-the-last-jedi-catches-up-with-jurassic-world/

    #772 2 years ago

    I'll take those 3 over these 2 any day........

    PS: Any so called think tank that uses the directors from "Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs" for SW should be relegated to the mailroom for a decade, regardless of gender.

    #773 2 years ago

    We should all just chip in and make our own Star Wars movies... With black jack and hookers !

    #774 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    I'll take those 3 over these 2 any day........

    That puts you in a very distinct minority my friend. Penis owning director and writer or not, those prequels are reviled by most people
    For good reason.

    #775 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    That puts you in a very distinct minority my friend. Penis owning director and writer or not, those prequels are reviled by most people
    For good reason.

    The prequels added a lot to the Star Wars franchise. They expanded the Star Wars universe in many positive ways and gave a lot of interesting questions for everyone to ponder. Sadly, group think and the quest many people have to conform and get “likes” and what not has made it cool to dislike the prequels.

    TLJ expanded nothing, just detracted. The director of TLJ has no business being involved in the franchise any further.

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    #776 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    The prequels added a lot to the Star Wars franchise. They expanded the Star Wars universe in many positive ways and gave a lot of interesting questions for everyone to ponder. Sadly, group think and the quest many people have to conform and get “likes” and what not has made it cool to dislike the prequels.
    TLJ expanded nothing, just detracted. The director of TLJ has no business being involved in the franchise any further.

    So group think is only relevant when quoting rotten tomatoes audience figures?

    No need to rehash the prequel arguments. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. Mine was that those movies are pretty much unwatchable, and no fun at all. I welcome admission into any “group” that “thinks” that, cause hey, we have a lot in common.

    #777 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    The director of TLJ has no business being involved in the franchise any further.

    But Tigerlaw, gdonovan posted a very telling piece of info, the real overlords are the think tank crew, RJ is a nobody, he's wasn't going to stand up and jeopardize his biggest directorial job not to mention his most lucrative payday. He probably rubber stamped everything they came up with.....God what I wouldn't give to be at one of those meetings when they pitched this rubbish...Ha.

    #778 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    TLJ expanded nothing, just detracted. The director of TLJ has no business being involved in the franchise any further.

    WTF? The prequels added very little. We had stupid pod races and crap that was just eye candy and no substance. The third movie tied up some loose ends but there was little meat on the bones. The new movies have actually expanded the universe with a host of new characters that are at the beginning of their life cycle.

    #779 2 years ago
    Quoted from konjurer:

    WTF? The prequels added very little. We had stupid pod races and crap that was just eye candy and no substance. The third movie tied up some loose ends but there was little meat on the bones. The new movies have actually expanded the universe with a host of new characters that are at the beginning of their life cycle.

    When did “expanding the universe” become a prerequisite for a good Star Wars Movie? Sounds like a group think concept from contrarians trying to convince people those movies aren’t terrible.

    I probably could have gone the rest of my life without knowing about fishface monster undersea world, or that planet with all the sand or all the other stuff I’ve completly forgotten as it was boring and my appreciation of Star Wars would have been the same. But I’m glad some people got something out of it.

    #780 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Mine was that those movies are pretty much unwatchable

    So I take it you're digging Avengers and JL?

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I probably could have gone the rest of my life without knowing about fishface monster undersea world, or that planet with all the sand or all the other stuff I’ve completly forgotten as it was boring and my appreciation of Star Wars would have been the same. But I’m glad some people got something out of it.

    So yeah, it wasn't good, I agree, all I said was I rather watch that than the shit JJ Abrams and family puts together. I stand by that, any franchise that nerd touches dies for me.

    PS: same goes for that other idiot from my home town Brett Rattner, another genius that's carrying on the legacy of Ingmar Bergman.

    #781 2 years ago
    Quoted from DCFAN:

    I have a theory that Rey may be Luke's daughter and that Luke did not know it because he thought she was killed when Kylo killed the Jedi trainees, and possibly Luke's wife was also killed and thus Luke went away in despair. One scene where Luke looks at her and says "who are you?" almost seemed to hint that Luke felt he knew her but could not place it. It also could explain why Kylo and Rey seem to have a special bond while also having similar powers being the children of siblings Luke and Leia. It would be even more interesting if Luke's wife was a descendant of Ben Kenobi which would explain why Rey outperformed Kylo in mind control in Force Awakens.

    I like this theory. However, the Supreme Leader Snoke said he manipulated Rey and Kylo to sense one another . So Rey would try to turn Kylo to (light) and Kylo would try to turn Rey to (dark). Thus forcing a meeting of the two characters. When he divulged this information to both Rey and Kylo that there connection was (his) doing . It pissed Kylo off the Supreme Leader has going to kill Rey . Kylo took matters into his own hands and killed Snoke .
    I film has good over all . It did not let me down and ruin my enthusiasm for the new films at all. Great 3D I will be buying it on 3D Blu-Ray to add to my collection. Luke will be back to help tear the (first order) a new one as a spirit and help Rey and Company kick some ass . I dig all the new main characters .

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    #783 2 years ago
    Quoted from konjurer:

    The prequels added very little. We had stupid pod races and crap that was just eye candy and no substance. The third movie tied up some loose ends but there was little meat on the bones.

    How about seeing a functional republic and how it was governed? How about seein a functioning Jedi order? How about learning about the Sith and their history? How about seeing them slowly unfold how Palpatine corrupted the republic from the inside? The prequels gave us all kinds of stuff.

    The biggest thing the prequels gave us was a real war. We got nothing from TFA and TLJ except Death Star 3.0 then an instant return galaxy wide to the empire running the show and a small resistance (we didn’t get an explanation of how the republic fell and why it happened in one day...across tens of thousands of worlds...).

    Quoted from konjurer:

    The new movies have actually expanded the universe with a host of new characters that are at the beginning of their life cycle.

    Any show can introduce a new character, that is a meaningless addition. You have to look at the lore that is added and expanded upon to see if a fantasy movie contributes to the franchise.

    In this case, TLJ (and to a lesser extent TFA) introduced nearly instantaneous travel across the galaxy (which sucks for story telling purposes long term). They also introduced hyper drive ramming, which was cool on one watch through but ruins fleet warfare moving forward for the entire franchise.

    #784 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    How about seeing a functional republic and how it was governed? How about seein a functioning Jedi order? How about learning about the Sith and their history? How about seeing them slowly unfold how Palpatine corrupted the republic from the inside? The prequels gave us all kinds of stuff.
    The biggest thing the prequels gave us was a real war. We got nothing from TFA and TLJ except Death Star 3.0 then an instant return galaxy wide to the empire running the show and a small resistance (we didn’t get an explanation of how the republic fell and why it happened in one day...across tens of thousands of worlds...).

    Any show can introduce a new character, that is a meaningless addition. You have to look at the lore that is added and expanded upon to see if a fantasy movie contributes to the franchise.
    In this case, TLJ (and to a lesser extent TFA) introduced nearly instantaneous travel across the galaxy (which sucks for story telling purposes long term). They also introduced hyper drive ramming, which was cool on one watch through but ruins fleet warfare moving forward for the entire franchise.

    Exactly right..
    TFA highly creative and original script: introduced us to an abandoned orphan on desert planet, a cute robot with secret plans to a powerful weapon, a Death Star with with still only one fatal flaw....(an almost unguarded fatal flaw), an old hero dying trying to save someone he loves, a cantina filled with strange aliens, and a new villain cloaked in black and wearing a metal mask...a Sith apprentice who apparently cannot beat a starving homeless girl in a lightsaber duel. Whoohoo!

    TLJ: A new Jedi, seeking an old master, a master that cannot be bothered, a new all powerful dark overlord, one that's so powerful he knows his apprentice's every thought..except, well, you know, Mary Popping becoming a Jedi, A purple haired admiral that's harboring a secret that can save 40 minutes of this dreadful movie, a misinformed, quick to judge pilot that's wrong every freaking time, a daring side mission involving gambling and weapon dealings, a code breaker......wha? a code breaker? Will you fucking stop and break out a lightsaber duel........wait no lightsaber duel in a SW movie?...GTFO! Ahhh, fuck it, let's go see Jumanji .

    #785 2 years ago
    Quoted from konjurer:

    I’m not saying I agree with the audience. I’m just providing another data point. Rotten Tomatoes isn’t the only or best barometer of goodness.
    I can tell you as I left the theater, the buzz going on around me was very positive.

    yeah, well when I left the theater after ep 3, and was bitching how awful it was, some teen couldn't believe someone thought it was terrible.

    Around here, you would be hard pressed to find someone that had something positive to say about this movie. Even ones who didn't think the prequels were the steaming pile of shit they were, knew this one was pretty bad.

    #786 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Sadly, group think and the quest many people have to conform and get “likes” and what not has made it cool to dislike the prequels.

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    So group think is only relevant when quoting rotten tomatoes audience figures?

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Sounds like a group think concept from contrarians trying to convince people those movies aren’t terrible.

    Can we pretty much conclude that anyone pointing out “group think” is pretty much a victim of group think?

    #787 2 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Unless Kathleen Kennedy and her writers group is removed, don't look for the situation to improve.

    Holy shit. No wonder every male in the movie is either a buffoon, evil, weak, a jerk, or subservient to superior females!! Even my wife commented on it. It was obvious and pathetic. SJW!

    #788 2 years ago

    Prequels also delved into the juicy trials and tribulations of intergalactic trade fedarations. As a burgeoning importer/exporter looking towards future off-world opportunities, I found this really engrossing.

    #789 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    Holy shit. No wonder every male in the movie is either a buffoon, evil, weak, a jerk, or subservient to superior females!! Even my wife commented on it. It was obvious and pathetic. SJW!

    I hinted at this several pages ago, *check Kennedy's and Johnson's personal beliefs* and it explains a lot of why TLJ goes off the rails.

    A bonus fact Johnson has only one or two movies under his belt meant he would do what Disney wanted with no argument.

    -2
    #790 2 years ago

    Complaints about pacing, continuity errors, etc. are all well and good, but is this thread really devolving into a bunch of snowflakes bitching that they let some girls into space? Or that they didn’t get Michael Bay to direct it?

    If you’re doing political litmus tests for directors and producers now, it’s really going to trim down the number of films you can enjoy.

    #791 2 years ago

    At least they’re doing the marvel movies well.

    #792 2 years ago

    I saw the new Star Wars movie last night. I’m a huge fan of these movies. Saying that, I didn’t think the movie was that good. I would give it a C rating.

    #793 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Complaints about pacing, continuity errors, etc. are all well and good, but is this thread really devolving into a bunch of snowflakes bitching that they let some girls into space? Or that they didn’t get Michael Bay to direct it?
    If you’re doing political litmus tests for directors and producers now, it’s really going to trim down the number of films you can enjoy.

    Way to go, thanks for dumbing it down it further, where did anyone write we can't have females writing, producing or directing SW? We were questioning an all female team developing stories. Perfectly valid. Also, in this case, looks like the franchise is in serious disarray. If the movie was good we wouldn't be talking about this at all. There is 14 pages of people bitching about it before the revelation.

    PS: RT with over 150.000 viewer reviews is standing at 51%.

    #794 2 years ago
    Quoted from guyincognito:

    Prequels also delved into the juicy trials and tribulations of intergalactic trade fedarations. As a burgeoning importer/exporter looking towards future off-world opportunities, I found this really engrossing.

    Yes, this is the kind of universe expansion that millions of Star Wars fans found so engrossing and exhilarating. You see, never before did we know that the republic was considering focusing more on the exporting, but only
    After complicated and deceptive machinations by the sith, settled on continued focus on the importing. This is how an exporting/importing empire settles its long-term economic strategy - with thunderous applause!!!!

    If only the group think sheep would open their minds to this deep, layered storytelling, they’d learn to appreciate the prequels!!

    So much better than the new movies. And really an improvement on the original trilogy, which most Star Wars fans thought would have been much better if each film had about 25 additional minutes of badly acted, boring, talky scenes set in government chambers that went absolutely nowhere. I know that empire strikes back whizzed by way too fast for my tastes and would have been much better with a momentum-killing 20 minute senate chamber scene featuring a jar jar binks political monologue!

    Quoted from kvan99:

    Way to go, thanks for dumbing it down it further, where did anyone write we can't have females writing, producing or directing SW? We were questioning an all female team developing stories. Perfectly valid. Also, in this case, looks like the franchise is in serious disarray. If the movie was good we wouldn't be talking about this at all. There is 14 pages of people bitching about it before the revelation.
    PS: RT with over 150.000 viewer reviews is standing at 51%.

    Not perfectly valid - perfectly dumb. You suggested that having three women in charge of showrunning is ruining Star Wars. How can you “dumb down” a statement that stupid? It’s impossible.

    Also, over 70 percent of people here like the new Star Wars movie. There’s not “14 pages of people bitching” about the movie, it’s a “both sides” discussion. There’s fine, fine people on both sides.

    #795 2 years ago

    Saw it again last night. This time minus the bottle of tequila and snoozing! Wasn't as bad as the 45 minutes I remember. Lots of stupid stuff bothered me though:
    Luke's tit drink scene. It bothered me because the animal was too humanish looking. If it looked more like a cow or something totally alien it would have been better.
    Mary Poppins scene didn't bother me. The Force can do some strange things.
    What DID bother me is why the hell does someone that can lift and throw 30 tons of rock have to fight with a sword? Hell, just crush the stormtroopers in their suits or stop their heart. We need some rules so we know exactly what the Force can and can't do! (and we'll believe even the craziest shit)!
    I hate these Force Spook Thingys! You come back as a ghost, but are still able to pick up stuff or bop someone on the head? You might as well just still be there.
    Luke just vanishes? What? Weak.
    I did like the last 40 minutes though. Had enough action, even if some of it didn't make sense.
    Those dopey bird things? WTF! Didn't do anything except try some bad comedy relief.
    Using the girl from GOT was a waste. (Phasma or whatever the hell her name was) I didn't even know it was her until I read it here. You could have had a scale actor in there! There must be more of her to come...
    There are a dozen other things, but my fingers are tired. Maybe a Podcast!

    #796 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Yes, this is the kind of universe expansion that millions of Star Wars fans found so engrossing and exhilarating. You see, never before did we know that the republic was considering focusing more on the exporting, but only
    After complicated and deceptive machinations by the sith, settled on continued focus on the importing. This is how an exporting/importing empire settles its long-term economic strategy - with thunderous applause!!!!
    If only the group think sheep would open their minds to this deep, layered storytelling, they’d learn to appreciate the prequels!!
    So much better than the new movies.

    Not perfectly valid - perfectly dumb. You suggested that having three women in charge of showrunning is ruining Star Wars. How can you “dumb down” a statement that stupid? It’s impossible.
    Also, over 70 percent of people here like the new Star Wars movie. There’s not “14 pages of people bitching” about the movie, it’s a “both sides” discussion. There’s fine, fine people on both sides.

    Again, you misrepresented the facts Mr. smart guy, please wipe the Cheetos off your face first before reminding us how witty and clever you are, over and over again, are you overcompensating for something? Ahh, your mom must be so proud. The all-female story development was the issue, also the story sucks, regardless of who wrote it.

    #797 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Again, you misrepresented the facts Mr. smart guy, please wipe the Cheetos off your face first before reminding us how witty and clever you are, over and over again, are you overcompensating for something? Ahh, your mom must be so proud. The all-female story development was the issue, also the story sucks, regardless of who wrote it.

    Yeah I’m overcompensating for my small penis by insisting it’s stupid to bitch about three women being involved in Star Wars. It’s like I bought a corvette or something!

    Great angle bro!

    Why are you bitching at me? Over 70 percent of the people here liked this movie. Take it up with them. I just thought it was “decent, better than the prequels.”

    #798 2 years ago

    Don't worry Levi. Size doesn't really matter.

    #799 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Yeah I’m overcompensating for my small penis by insisting it’s stupid to bitch about three women being involved in Star Wars. It’s like I bought a corvette or something!
    Great angle bro!
    Why are you bitching at me? Over 70 percent of the people here liked this movie. Take it up with them. I just thought it was “decent, better than the prequels.”

    interesting you bring that up

    if you take out the 161 who said it was decent, better than the prequels (which isn't much of a ringing endorsement and doesn't necessary mean they "liked it")

    90 say garbage

    53 say really good

    61 say great

    more like 60/40 i would reckon. Still towards the liked it but not a huge majority are all the way on board.

    I really want to hear some more from the people who said it was "great" with some reasons why it stands out as one of the best in the series for them.

    #800 2 years ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Don't worry Levi. Size doesn't really matter.

    Says the guy with a corvette!

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