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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #701 2 years ago
    Quoted from Flowst:

    I'm sure you've seen this along the way, maybe it was already posted.
    But....worth a laugh.

    That was funny. Like all good humor there was a lot of truth in there. I still loved the movie. Although the lactating space cow WAS creepy.

    #702 2 years ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    Huh? The film all in will make over 2 Billion! I'm not worried about Disney...

    I dunno Ted, they're calling JL a miss already and it made 650 Million. They have fuzzy math when it comes to these so-called "Tentpole" pictures. Also, this is not just about enjoying the picture and giving it a pass, I enjoyed Talladega Nights it was a ridiculously bad but fun movie. I have issue with the dumbing us down part, these big pictures are getting worse lately. They can insult our intelligence with JL and IM3 and the rest of them but SW was a bridge too far. It was special. I'm one of the people who actually made an RT account to downvote this piece of celluloid shit. Disney is not deaf, they're discussing this backlash already....Guaranteed. So yeah, whatever happens, Rian Johnson's script will be scrutinized more closely at the studio next time. I bet the same thing will happen for Kathleen Kennedy's free reign of the franchise.

    #703 2 years ago

    Justice League was basically filmed twice so it has to make a lot more to break even. (and home video sales are a shadow of what they once were)

    See also Han Solo, also filmed twice, and if it underperforms at all I could see execs getting the axe.

    Don't kid yourself Disney is concerned, else there wouldn't be so much spin coming down the news wire. Just yesterday a story was posted about Mark Hamill "regretting" his comments about the film - strong arm tactics anyone?

    #704 2 years ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    What the hell was the casino planet about except maybe to usher in the little boy as the next Star Wars hero. IT had no purpose at all as far as I can see.

    I think they were trying to have a "cantina scene" with a bunch of different aliens on the screen for a few seconds. I'm not sure if it's important or not, but it's certainly possible that the war profiteering is important in future films. If not then it seems pointless to bring it up. It made things seem more grey, both sides were being supplied weapons from the same war mongers. However, then you had the crash save at the end which seemed to imply that things were back to black and white.

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    #705 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    I dunno Ted, they're calling JL a miss already and it's made 650 Million. They have fuzzy math when it comes to these so-called "Tentpole" pictures.

    The rule of thumb with Hollywood budgets/profit is that a film has to make double its production budget to just break even!

    The production budget for JL is estimated between $350-$400million! And from what I have read that might not include the advertising, marketing and promotion budget.

    So while $650-$700 is successful when weighed up against the investment/cost of the movie it’s a financial and critical flop/failure.

    #706 2 years ago

    Mark's opinion has changed:

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/star-wars-star-mark-hamill-regrets-voicing-doubts-150604064--abc-news-celebrities.html

    @HamillHimself

    @HamillHimself
    I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill https://twitter.com/StupendousWave/status/945409809150500865

    5:32 PM - Dec 26, 2017

    #707 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    did it make perfect sense that Luke left a map to find him just to tell that person who found him to suck it?

    The teacher always has to tell the student to suck it, at first. Trope!!

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    #708 2 years ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    So yeah, whatever happens, Rian Johnson's script will be scrutinized more closely at the studio next time. I bet the same thing will happen for Kathleen Kennedy's free reign of the franchise.

    I agree that would be good.

    #709 2 years ago

    Silly question - What marketing did they do besides a few trailer spots on TV earlier in the year?

    99% of the advertising I see is for toys and tie-ins. I assumed that was paid for by the toy companies.

    SW generates its own buzz, so why pay for it?

    Did I miss something? And if I did, that means their marketing wasnt very good I guess.

    #710 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    check out the cinemascores for the prequels.
    phantom menace A-
    Attack of the Clones A-
    Revenge of the Sith A-

    this alone, would cause me to never go to their site or believe anything they had to say. Anything higher than a D- or F, means they have no idea what they are talking about, or what elements are needed for a good movie.

    #711 2 years ago
    Quoted from konjurer:

    No doubt. Analysis of space physics and plot holes is kind of silly for a Star Wars fans. I don't think any of the plot holes were that outrageous to cause me not to enjoy the movie.
    There were only a couple times where I thought, oh that was dumb but that rarely took me away from my immersion in the story. I think most oddities in this movie were explained. Luke's brown beard at the end bothered me for a minute. But I let it go and enjoyed the scene only to be shown why the beard was different in the next scene.

    Right.. his beard was brown, I noticed that right away, and I was even thinking wow that looks odd. Luckily I had skimmed a lot of the spoilers so I didn't know what was going on. Plus, he wasn't leaving the red footprints in the sand. Then, you see why, DUH?!! Sort of a Sixth Sense/Fight Club thing. They are laying out the hints as plain as can be, but some never guess it until the end. Of course, we ourselves are always like "oh, well, yeah, that was obvious, I did see that coming long ago".

    #712 2 years ago
    Quoted from DCFAN:

    Mark's opinion has changed:
    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/star-wars-star-mark-hamill-regrets-voicing-doubts-150604064--abc-news-celebrities.html
    @HamillHimself

    @HamillHimself
    I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill https://twitter.com/StupendousWave/status/945409809150500865
    5:32 PM - Dec 26, 2017

    Mark Hamill works in Hollywood time to time and in general is not an actor in high demand.

    He does a fair amount of voice work though.

    In short, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Mark doesn't have enough juice to buck those who are writing his current pay check.

    #713 2 years ago

    This whole scenerio reminds me a lot of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. It was released to generally positive reviews from critics while audiences had issues with its dialogue, storyline, and pacing. It wound up grossing $786 Million worldwide and was the number two movie of 2008 but the fan backlash pretty much killed all momentum for the planned follow-up which is just now getting started nearly a decade later.

    #714 2 years ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    Didn't read a message. Avoiding spoilers. But please remove the "is really bad" from the topic. Say it all you want in posts, but not in the topic.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    lol, make your own thread where you call it whatever you want. its my opinion and my thread. sorry dad, not really into being an internet censorship kinda guy

    First of all

    The reason I said that was because it shows up on Pinside every day, and I knew at some point I would see it and comment on it in this thread, which is why I didn't drain it. It is nothing about censorship, it is about people trying to avoid knowing things in the movie so I could see it untainted.

    And if I was your dad, I'd tell you to relax a bit and enjoy the story. This isn't real life, it is someone telling you a story... and then extending that story for much too long because they make a lot of money with it.

    As for Star Wars: The Last Jedi... I enjoyed it. I knew going into it that it would be contrived, because it is Star Wars and it is owned by Disney. Plus I've seen the prequels, so my expectations were pretty low. I went at a DeLux theater, which means I got to munch on a yummy burger and fries, while washing it down with beers right in my extremely comfortable seat (awesome way to watch a movie). And I had a great time there. The movie entertained me for a couple hours. That was exactly what I wanted. I'm not looking for holes in the story, because there were tons of them. But again, I wasn't worried about them, I was being entertained.

    Now get out there, son. Suspend your disbelief and just enjoy it when something is entertaining. Save your outrage for real life.

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    #715 2 years ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    The rule of thumb with Hollywood budgets/profit is that a film has to make double its production budget to just break even!
    The production budget for JL is estimated between $350-$400million! And from what I have read that might not include the advertising, marketing and promotion budget.
    So while $650-$700 is successful when weighed up against the investment/cost of the movie it’s a financial and critical flop/failure.

    Do you really believe the nonsense you just wrote?

    There’s ONE guy who is pushing the idea that this movie is a flop, and it’s that one-track idiot from Forbes. And he isn’t even speaking English. Seriously, his columns on this are borderline incoherent.

    His clickbait headlines about Star Wars being doomed are cute but are you really hitching your wagon to this guy’s obvious agenda? This movie is going to make close to a billion dollars and that’s before home video.

    #716 2 years ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    quit being a D bag

    Lol so you take something I wrote about the movie and quote it like i was talking to someone in this thread (presumably you?)when I have not attacked anyone except called you dad, sorry if that hurt your feelings lol

    Here is where I said the D bag line.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Exhibit G:
    Well, so Force Ghost Yoda comes and visits Luke to give some advice. If they are going to use Force Ghosts and Vader came back to the Light Side as a force ghost, why wouldnt he just tell Kylo to quit being a D bag. But that is not related to this movie. What is questionable is that Yoda blows up the Jedi teachings, but alas, at the end we see Rey had taken all the old texts. Like Yoda and Luke couldnt sense that or what? Whatever.

    Kinda lame of you to try and spin it like I called you a d bag for asking me to change the thread title. Either that is what you are doing or you are directly telling me to stop being a d bag which is not very nice just cause my opinion is different then yours

    #717 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Do you really believe the nonsense you just wrote?
    There’s ONE guy who is pushing the idea that this movie is a flop, and it’s that one-track idiot from Forbes. And he isn’t even speaking English. Seriously, his columns on this are borderline incoherent.
    His clickbait headlines about Star Wars being doomed are cute but are you really hitching your wagon to this guy’s obvious agenda? This movie is going to make close to a billion dollars and that’s before home video.

    I was talking about Justice League.....

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    #718 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Do you really believe the nonsense you just wrote?
    There’s ONE guy who is pushing the idea that this movie is a flop, and it’s that one-track idiot from Forbes. And he isn’t even speaking English. Seriously, his columns on this are borderline incoherent.
    His clickbait headlines about Star Wars being doomed are cute but are you really hitching your wagon to this guy’s obvious agenda? This movie is going to make close to a billion dollars and that’s before home video.

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    #719 2 years ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Don't kid yourself Disney is concerned,

    Yeah, kinda reminds me of the EA disaster...3.1 Billion wiped off the books because some jackass in a suit wanted to tweak a winning formula to squeeze out a little more money. I hope he's happy in his new job.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/28/eas-day-of-reckoning-is-here-after-star-wars-game-uproar.html

    "The bigger issue here, though, is the scope of that controversy. After an EA statement on Reddit became the most downvoted post in that website's history, multiple news outlets began to cover the outrage that fans felt regarding EA's decision to hide most of Battlefront II's content in randomized loot boxes. EA was forced to reduce the in-game price of major heroes, and Disney's CEO eventually had to intervene and request that microtransactions be removed from the game. However, some suspect that Disney was well aware of the policy long before the intervention."

    #720 2 years ago

    So rotten tomatoes,

    90 percent critics
    50 percent audience

    Pinside = 70 percent. That’s snugly in the middle! And probably the closest to reality as far as how the general public feels.

    I liked it better than force awakens. My girlfriend didn’t. And she’s souring on it daily. And wants to see it again for some reason.

    No thanks, I’ll watch it on my next long flight.

    #721 2 years ago

    I always hear that the problem is that the fan bade demands this and that... of course they does.
    If the director wants to do something different, no problem . But not with the Star Wars saga.

    The huuuuuuge problem witf EP8 is, that there had ALWAYS to be a twitch, always the difference with what the audience expected or even worse, what would be making this movie a good star wars movie.

    I have seen this movie 3 times by now.
    First, felt worried. Second, i thought it was ok, third i was sure that it was as bad es ep1.

    Better they do a reboot of this trilogie, or only a remake of this piece of sh.t.
    I don't need any marvel humour in a star wars movie and any twists to impress any movie academy. Star wars is a fairy tale, an adventure. Not a fu..ing students diploma thesisfor an movie academie.
    Hell, iam so disappointed about this flick...

    #722 2 years ago
    Quoted from master_of_chaos:

    I have seen this movie 3 times by now.
    First, felt worried. Second, i thought it was ok, third i was sure that it was as bad es ep1. Hell, iam so disappointed about this flick...

    Good on you for seeing it three times, it is the first Star Wars movie I haven’t seen more than once in the theater. Hell, it’s the first one I haven’t seen at least three times in theater (I managed AotC twice in a regular theater and once in IMAX which was much better since they had to cut some scene in it for IMAX) which makes me very sad.

    #723 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    And wants to see it again for some reason.

    Yeah, I'll probably go again tomorrow. This time no tequila and no napping! I'll report back....

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    #724 2 years ago

    The Last Jedi seems worse after you watch The Force Awakens which I think is a great film.

    TFA did a great job building up the new characters, and incorporating the older ones. TLJ seems to ruin everything that The Force Awakens built in terms of character development.

    Take the last scene from TFA for example where Rey goes to find Luke. Luke wanted to be found in the event he was needed again and when Rey finally does see Luke he's in full on Jedi garbs looking like a powerful Jedi Master. In Luke's eyes during the scene you can see emotion and contemplation as if he's thinking "It's time to help once again". TLJ ruins this moment and the character by having Luke just toss the lightsaber, immediately changing into rags from his Jedi outfit, and then not giving a crap about helping. It just doesn't make sense and Luke comes across as two completely different characters from TFA and TLJ.

    #725 2 years ago

    Remember the pre-internet days when the only way you could gripe over a 10 dollar movie, was in person to your friends and family?

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    #726 2 years ago

    The movie is just not good.
    However, the Star Wars franchise isn’t very good.
    I don’t care what any of you think.
    Star Wars sucks.

    Yet, Episode IV is the greatest movie of all time.

    -1
    #727 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Lol so you take something I wrote about the movie and quote it like i was talking to someone in this thread (presumably you?)when I have not attacked anyone except called you dad, sorry if that hurt your feelings lol
    Here is where I said the D bag line.

    Kinda lame of you to try and spin it like I called you a d bag for asking me to change the thread title. Either that is what you are doing or you are directly telling me to stop being a d bag which is not very nice just cause my opinion is different then yours

    Ummmm, no. I did not say you called me a d bag. I'm still saying that I think it is a d bag move, by you, to have the title of the thread express the opinion. I'm sure others avoid movie information before they see them and don't want to keep seeing it. I still think you should edit the title.

    And just to be very clear, I'm not calling you a d bag. I'm of the opinion that the title of the thread is a d bag move. Is that crystal clear enough? Are you ok that my opinion differs from yours?

    #728 2 years ago
    Quoted from guyincognito:

    Remember the pre-internet days when the only way you could gripe over a 10 dollar movie, was in person to your friends and family?

    A better time.

    #729 2 years ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    Ummmm, no. I did not say you called me a d bag. I'm still saying that I think it is a d bag move, by you, to have the title of the thread express the opinion. I'm sure others avoid movie information before they see them and don't want to keep seeing it. I still think you should edit the title.
    And just to be very clear, I'm not calling you a d bag. I'm of the opinion that the title of the thread is a d bag move. Is that crystal clear enough? Are you ok that my opinion differs from yours?

    Yup

    Back to the topic at hand :

    If you want to see how much better bombers were a few decades before TLJ watch the Y Wings in Star wars Clone wars Season 1 ep 3. Just a bit more manuverable. Shoulda picked some up from the gamblers on casino town instead of those slow as molasses ones. Shadow Squardron ftw.

    Too bad they didn't have those in the resistance at the start of TLJ.

    #730 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Yup
    Back to the topic at hand :
    If you want to see how much better bombers were a few decades before TLJ watch the Y Wings in Star wars Clone wars Season 1 ep 3. Just a bit more manuverable. Shoulda picked some up from the gamblers on casino town instead of those slow as molasses ones. Shadow Squardron ftw.
    Too bad they didn't have those in the resistance at the start of TLJ.

    Just an fyi: Most Star Wars movie watchers don’t give a rip about the cartoons.

    #731 2 years ago
    Quoted from DCFAN:

    Just an fyi: Most Star Wars movie watchers don’t give a rip about the cartoons.

    The Y Wings were in action in the original trilogy as well. So that tech has been around for a long ass time to switch over to the slow bombers lol

    Also, I'd venture to guess their are more star wars fans who have watched the cartoons then not. A whole generation of fans grew up with them and it's their main link to the franchise...

    The logic being not everyone who has seen 4,5,6 has seen the cartoon, but everyone who watched the cartoon has seen 4,5,6 etc.

    #732 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    The Y Wings were in action in the original trilogy as well. So that tech has been around for a long ass time to switch over to the slow bombers lol
    Also, I'd venture to guess their are more star wars fans who have watched the cartoons then not. A whole generation of fans grew up with them and it's their main link to the franchise...

    I am just saying the movies stand on their own. You don’t need to watch the cartoons to understand as much as you need to follow the movies by just watching the movies. Of all the dozens of people I know that have watched the Star Wars movies only one of them has watched the cartoons. Maybe it is a generational thing. I mainly know people in their 40’s and 50’s that grew up with the movies, and their children that are between 10 and 20 that have only seen the movies.

    #733 2 years ago

    Just a bad movie, when it ended my kids (13 and 15) looked at me and both gave the thumbs down. Once we left the theater and started to talk about the movie not much good could be said.

    #734 2 years ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    The Last Jedi seems worse after you watch The Force Awakens which I think is a great film.
    TFA did a great job building up the new characters, and incorporating the older ones. TLJ seems to ruin everything that The Force Awakens built in terms of character development.
    Take the last scene from TFA for example where Rey goes to find Luke. Luke wanted to be found in the event he was needed again and when Rey finally does see Luke he's in full on Jedi garbs looking like a powerful Jedi Master. In Luke's eyes during the scene you can see emotion and contemplation as if he's thinking "It's time to help once again". TLJ ruins this moment and the character by having Luke just toss the lightsaber, immediately changing into rags from his Jedi outfit, and then not giving a crap about helping. It just doesn't make sense and Luke comes across as two completely different characters from TFA and TLJ.
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    I totally agree. It almost feels like a vendetta against JJA. Anybody know anything about that?

    How does Abrams feel about TLJ ...really feel?

    #735 2 years ago

    Just watched it today. My kids all said it felt different than other SW movies. I'm really on the fence. It was like they went back half ass to how the prequels were done. Part ep 7 part ep 1. I was disappointed many times during the movie, but also LOVED other parts. Obviously some parts were ridiculous ie..leiah flying in space, riding space horse things, and plenty more. I loved ep 7, and was expecting something similar. Can't say I hated it, but I also don't hate the prequels. I take them all for what they are and appreciate all SW. I guess ultimately it's another SW movie to entertain us, and it did it's job for me, but wasn't quite what I was expecting.

    #736 2 years ago

    I saw it a second time today. I liked it better the 2nd time. I think I had lower expectations and could just enjoy it for what it was...and I didn't have to piss so bad for the last 40 minutes.

    I really think canto bight and that kid are going to be spun off into the new trilogy. It seems out of place here, so that's really my only explanation on why it was included.

    The biggest plot hole to me was Del Toro selling out the transports. He didn't even know about the transports (because poe and Finn didn't know at that point)! Until that point, they thought the plan was to disable the tracker so they could make the jump to lightspeed.

    That Leia Mary poppins moment was bad. I noticed a bit of foreshadow, she flies right through snoke's projected ship in the former bridge.

    Something else that stuck out to me.. during the luke projection I was waiting to see if he made any physical contact. He did, but only with Leia. He only dodged Kylo. So maybe he and Leia had a strong enough connection through the force being siblings .... the others that made a physical connection through the force, kylo and rey Might be a bit of hint that they're related, but the other clues suggest otherwise.

    #737 2 years ago

    Many threads ago, someone said "it's just a movie" Dead wrong! Star Wars is a feeling. Sitting in the front row in 1977, I felt the awe and wonder of Star Wars. That feeling did not go away when the movie was over, it always stayed with me. The characters, music, space ships, droids, all of it... Forty years later and I still love Star Wars!

    But as Yoda would say.. Failed The Last Jedi has. It's simple, when Luke died, no one cried. The hope, excitement, and sadness of this film is loss. However as a true Star Wars fan, I'm hopeful that the lesson of failure will not be forgotten by the next Disney movie makers.

    #738 2 years ago
    Quoted from Jumping-Box:

    Failed The Last Jedi has. It's simple, when Luke died, no one cried.

    That’s a great point I had not considered. The director couldn’t get a single tear to drop when Luke died...a character that is 40 years old and draped with emotions faces death and passes and no one sheds a tear.

    That is a shockingly inept total fail that sits solely at the directors feet.

    #739 2 years ago

    I have a theory that Rey may be Luke's daughter and that Luke did not know it because he thought she was killed when Kylo killed the Jedi trainees, and possibly Luke's wife was also killed and thus Luke went away in despair. One scene where Luke looks at her and says "who are you?" almost seemed to hint that Luke felt he knew her but could not place it. It also could explain why Kylo and Rey seem to have a special bond while also having similar powers being the children of siblings Luke and Leia. It would be even more interesting if Luke's wife was a descendant of Ben Kenobi which would explain why Rey outperformed Kylo in mind control in Force Awakens.

    #740 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    That’s a great point I had not considered. The director couldn’t get a single tear to drop when Luke died...a character that is 40 years old and draped with emotions faces death and passes and no one sheds a tear.
    That is a shockingly inept total fail that sits solely at the directors feet.

    I don't consider him dead. He will be back as a force ghost which was his wish.

    #741 2 years ago

    Just saw the movie. I was disappointed. It's always nice when there are memorable characters in the movie with charisma, and points in the story that make you say "wow" (like at the end of Rogue One). This movie had none of that. I didn't like The Force Awakens either.

    #742 2 years ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    Ummmm, no. I did not say you called me a d bag. I'm still saying that I think it is a d bag move, by you, to have the title of the thread express the opinion. I'm sure others avoid movie information before they see them and don't want to keep seeing it. I still think you should edit the title.
    And just to be very clear, I'm not calling you a d bag. I'm of the opinion that the title of the thread is a d bag move. Is that crystal clear enough? Are you ok that my opinion differs from yours?

    Aurich?? is that you????

    #743 2 years ago

    Daily humor to keep things light

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    #744 2 years ago

    if you would have told me in 1985, that there would be a day that Star Trek was wayyyyyyy better than SW. I'd tell you that you were insane.

    yet, here we are. Cats and Dogs Living together...mass hysteria. ST series is awesome. SW series sucks ass. Who would have thought.

    #745 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    I totally agree. It almost feels like a vendetta against JJA. Anybody know anything about that?
    How does Abrams feel about TLJ ...really feel?

    Does it really matter how he "feels". He'll just spew some B.S. that is good for the franchise. You can't truly express your opinions in Hollywood else be black listed. See the Mark Hamill crap above. Just at look how George Lucas described Disney as "White Slavers" then magically changed his tune and is now "playing nice" with each new film release. All a bunch-a-noodles !

    #746 2 years ago

    I have never cared what the Rotten Tomatoes User score is. The point of RT is seeing the averaged and fair scores of the critics.

    If you add the 'who cares' and 'garbage' votes in this thread, compared to the '> than prequels', 'good', and 'great' votes the pinsider opinion is 70% positive. (Higher if you drop the who cares votes considering they didn't see it.) Maybe this was already posted. Too much to skim!

    The force Awakens felt like Disney fluff to me, but The Last Jedi was 2+ hours of fun that has resorted my enjoyment of the franchise.

    SW versus ST: I would have said ST was killing it, but ST Beyond was just OK, and SW is back on track.

    #747 2 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    this alone, would cause me to never go to their site or believe anything they had to say. Anything higher than a D- or F, means they have no idea what they are talking about, or what elements are needed for a good movie.

    CinemaScores uses the magic of statistical analysis to determine the overall grade. They are not judging the film one way or the other. They simple take statistically significant samples from theaters across many regions. Much, much more accurate summary of audience sentiment than Rotten Tomatoes user reviews. So they just might know what they are talking about.

    #748 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Do you really believe the nonsense you just wrote?
    There’s ONE guy who is pushing the idea that this movie is a flop, and it’s that one-track idiot from Forbes. And he isn’t even speaking English. Seriously, his columns on this are borderline incoherent.
    His clickbait headlines about Star Wars being doomed are cute but are you really hitching your wagon to this guy’s obvious agenda? This movie is going to make close to a billion dollars and that’s before home video.

    And is still way behind the force awakens. Disney didn't just count on it making money.... but a lot of money. Tracking to forecasting and expectations is what matters to Disney.. not just black or red

    #749 2 years ago

    So I enjoyed the movie and respect your opinion if you think it’s sucks. I watched Kevin Smith’s review of TLJ and he pretty much summed up what I loved about the movie in great detail. As a director, there were a few things his version he might have done differently but he nailed the many moments in the movie that I thought were awesome.

    Check it out if you want some fun reviewing each scene in detail from the movie.

    I do have a theory why some SW fans loved it while others hated it. I think some were too invested in the stuff Abrams set up in the first movie. As some of those elements were taken down, some fans brains got stuck. Other fans just went along for the ride and enjoyed where the new storyteller went.

    Abrams was a producer on the film so he sure he had some input on the final story line. If anything, the new film was not predictable.

    #750 2 years ago

    kevin smith [comment removed], I don't respect his opinion at all when it comes to SW.

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