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*SPOILERS* -TROS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad & other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel


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    #551 2 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Read a plot summary of Star Wars: Phasma. She's a psychopath and unbelievably dangerous. She's also extremely smart.

    Real smart.

    Thats why she starts monologging instead of just capping Finn's ass.

    He got the best of her, twice and Finn wasn't wearing shiny armor.

    Sharks! With laser beams! Thats what we need!

    #552 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    Maybe that’s why the Sith only need two (never less, never more and NEVER explained) people to routinely dominate the “light side” of the force.

    Yeah I've read this "only two Sith at a time" nonsense online too. But it doesn't seem to align with what they're doing with the movies now, unless we're meant to believe that Snoke only took to the Force after the Emperor died? Clearly he's another Dark Side practitioner who was doing something or other while the Emperor was in power. Or maybe the Galaxy spontaneously generates a new, pre-wizened Sith Lord whenever one croaks to maintain balance in the Force?

    #553 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Yeah I've read this "only two Sith at a time" nonsense online too. But it doesn't seem to align with what they're doing with the movies now, unless we're meant to believe that Snoke only took to the Force after the Emperor died? Clearly he's another Dark Side practitioner who was doing something or other while the Emperor was in power. Or maybe the Galaxy spontaneously generates a new, pre-wizened Sith Lord whenever one croaks to maintain balance in the Force?

    I think they've backed away from that a fair bit. It was kinda dumb to begin with.

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    #554 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Yeah I've read this "only two Sith at a time" nonsense online too. But it doesn't seem to align with what they're doing with the movies now, unless we're meant to believe that Snoke only took to the Force after the Emperor died? Clearly he's another Dark Side practitioner who was doing something or other while the Emperor was in power. Or maybe the Galaxy spontaneously generates a new, pre-wizened Sith Lord whenever one croaks to maintain balance in the Force?

    Well, there could be mulitile manifestations of “darkness” in the Galaxy, besides just the Sith. Actually, do we know if Snoke/Ren are actually Sith?

    The “only two” thing was introduced in TPM. The same movie where one of the coolest villains of all time - Darth Maul - was introduced and killed off without a backstory, in the same movie. I guess after battling two Jedi (with acrobatic mastery) and holding his own quite well, he let his guard down against Obi Wan and let him jump up from a defenseless position, catch a light saber and cut him in half before he could react.

    But TLJ is the only movie where nothing makes sense and they kill off wicked bad guys without telling their story.

    #555 2 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    I think they've backed away from that a fair bit. It was kinda dumb to begin with.

    i think that you can be using the dark side of the force and not be classified as a sith.

    i mean you have Count Dooku, Darth Sidious and Darth Maul all around at the same time. Dooku was a pupil of Yoda and Maul was trained under Sidious presumably. Unless they glossed over when Dooku converted to the dark side right after maul died... they had more than 2 in the prequels.

    #556 2 years ago

    I thought TLJ sucked big time. Luke is uninspiring and the rest of the acting was mediocre. I'm done with this whole franchise. What a shame.

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    #557 2 years ago

    How about some humor!

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    #558 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    i think that you can be using the dark side of the force and not be classified as a sith.
    i mean you have Count Dooku, Darth Sidious and Darth Maul all around at the same time. Dooku was a pupil of Yoda and Maul was trained under Sidious presumably. Unless they glossed over when Dooku converted to the dark side right after maul died... they had more than 2 in the prequels.

    It's always possible that the "rule of two" was just another silly George Lucas idea that was abandoned midway as he fleshed out the Prequel screenplays. Or, to be more charitable to George, maybe it was some old Sith Lord's concept of the way the Sith should operate, but not really observed during any of the times shown in the films. Or maybe it just meant that the Sith work in pairs (master/apprentice) but that there could be multiple pairs of Sith floating around at any one time. Anyway, I'm guessing we won't be hearing any more about it going forward!

    Quoted from yuriijos:

    I thought TLJ sucked big time. Luke is uninspiring and the rest of the acting was mediocre. I'm done with this whole franchise. What a shame.

    Careful, if you quit Star Wars the Trekkies may try to convert you ...

    #559 2 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    i think that you can be using the dark side of the force and not be classified as a sith.
    i mean you have Count Dooku, Darth Sidious and Darth Maul all around at the same time. Dooku was a pupil of Yoda and Maul was trained under Sidious presumably. Unless they glossed over when Dooku converted to the dark side right after maul died... they had more than 2 in the prequels.

    The prequels messed up the lore a bit. Midichlorians and the like. I think they're good stories, but terribly executed and they painted a few things into corners.

    #560 2 years ago

    I was digging this movie until the 3rd act where it completely falls apart.

    Casino Planet plot turns out to be pointless, the suicide lightspeed through the ship (a massive literal plot hole that ruins all Star Wars combat) Finn's sacrifice being aborted by Rose and finally Hologram Luke Skype Battle.

    Some say "the movie is about failure so it makes sense!" but that's lame. You can deconstruct heros and tropes but you still need to have payoff for your setups.

    I did enjoy it more than the abysmal Rogue One at least.

    #561 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    The “only two” thing was introduced in TPM. The same movie where one of the coolest villains of all time - Darth Maul - was introduced and killed off without a backstory, in the same movie.

    I've seen the same point made about the lack of background on the Emperor in the original films as well, as a defense of the complete lack of info on Snoke.

    Completely different situations though. In both A New Hope and Phantom Menace, the audience is simply dropped into an existing story. We get a little exposition (done quite well in IV, not so well in I) and we're off and running. We don't need to know any more about the Emperor or Maul because in those movies they're simply plot devices.

    In VII though, the audience is rejoining a story where we know the good guys won. The Empire was defeated, whether you want to consider it with the loss of Death Star II and the Emperor at Endor or with most of the remaining Imperial forces later at Jakku. Then, when we rejoin, not only is the Empire/First Order somehow back, but they have a new Big Bad who is seemingly just as powerful as Palpatine who has engineered their resurgence. Good storytelling requires some kind of explanation. I understand that as of VIII Snoke is just a plot device to get Kylo Ren in the driver's (no pun intended) seat, but when the home team just won the Superbowl, we really need an on-screen explanation of how they ended up 2-14 the next season, and where the arch enemy team picked up an all-pro rookie.

    #562 2 years ago

    I thought it was good, but understand why some people are bummed out about Luke. I didn't really care that he wasn't Superhero Luke like a lot of people wanted, but his story...

    - Jedi Master trains star pupil
    - Star pupil goes bad
    - Jedi Master goes into exile on remote planet
    - Jedi Master agrees to help next generation because villain poses existential threat
    - Jedi Master sacrifices himself to villain so the next generation can escape to fight again

    It's the same thing from the original movie. They just recycled Obi Wan's story arc! Of course there's still Episode 9, so who knows.

    I walked out of the theater thinking it was good, but not really caring about what happens in the next one. Kind of how I feel about most Marvel movies.

    #563 2 years ago
    Quoted from racer_x:

    I understand that as of VIII Snoke is just a plot device to get Kylo Ren in the driver's (no pun intended) seat, but when the home team just won the Superbowl, we really need an on-screen explanation of how they ended up 2-14 the next season, and where the arch enemy team picked up an all-pro rookie.

    Well put. And a Superbowlhangoverument beats a cargument any day.

    #564 2 years ago

    It was bad. Turned Luke into a $:&/@y

    #565 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    People got hyped about her for one reason and one reason only, which is that she's silver

    I was interested in her because the actress is a Game of Thrones star and pretty awesome. Sadly, it wouldn’t have mattered who was wearing that suit in the end, we get an eye only right before her death...anyone could have acted that part. Waste of an excellent actress’ talents.

    #566 2 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    I think they've backed away from that a fair bit. It was kinda dumb to begin with.

    Well, there is a difference between a Sith and a basic dark side force user, but ultimatly yes they’ve backed away from it and did so well. Watch the Clone Wars cartoon (which is superb by the way) to see multiple trained dark side users and four active Sith at one time with two masters and two aps.

    #567 2 years ago
    Quoted from aingide:

    - Jedi Master agrees to help next generation because villain poses existential threat

    Mary Sue has something to say about that.

    #568 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    The same movie where one of the coolest villains of all time - Darth Maul - was introduced and killed off without a backstory, in the same movie.

    While you are correct that Maul is an amazing villain (my favorite in the series actually) he was not killed off in TPM. See both Clone Wars and Rebels for more on Maul, they are both cannon and he survived the fight again Ginn and Kenobi.

    #569 2 years ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    I did enjoy it more than the abysmal Rogue One at least.

    Egads! Rogue one was a mess for the first half, but the second half seemed like pure SW fan service done well.

    If Rogue One was done as well as TLJ they would have stolen the death star plans and blown up the death star by jumping an asteroid through it (because who cares if it gets destroyed again in A New Hope) while porgs jumped around the cockpit of the ship they were in

    #570 2 years ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    I was digging this movie until the 3rd act where it completely falls apart.
    Casino Planet plot turns out to be pointless, the suicide lightspeed through the ship (a massive literal plot hole that ruins all Star Wars combat) Finn's sacrifice being aborted by Rose and finally Hologram Luke Skype Battle.
    Some say "the movie is about failure so it makes sense!" but that's lame. You can deconstruct heros and tropes but you still need to have payoff for your setups.
    I did enjoy it more than the abysmal Rogue One at least.

    if they can all of a sudden lightspeed thru other ships why not have just done it from the start with a robot manned ship ,so as per your comment it ruins all star wars combat theories as everyone would just wipe each other out

    #571 2 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    You're not wrong, Phasma has like three lines of dialog and is a forgettable character.

    It seemed like they made a part special for brienne of tarth.

    I wondered how much they paid her to be in the movie. I was guessing she got paid very well to be in it but I could be wrong. I guessed 80 k her part or 100k. I could be way off base. I dont know anything about acting. I wonder how much they paid The actor for darth maul.

    He was an unknown, but she has a name, in contrast.

    I think about costs to make the movies...

    #572 2 years ago

    Lots of good points in this thread, against and for the movie. I think everyone is right, depending on the point of view. I loved the premise of the movie, and Hamill did a tremendous job as disillusioned and burnt out Jedi - a needed change to let the series evolve. Rey was great too, although her development to a master Jedi is borderline unbelievable. Still, she's taking a role as a new centerpiece in the story that'll help the saga evolve.
    On the other hand the film was full of terrible bloat ware and stupid unnecessary scenes. The casino portion was completely unnecessary, and it wasn't the only one. I guess what ever it takes to make the movie long, but what's wrong with 1h45mins of better storyline?
    And don't get me going on poor script writing, like how and why did the soldiers get outside the blast doors when there was no way out? And how come there were so many of them when almost all transporters were shot? And why does it takes ages to shoot down 30 ships anyhow? The list is long...
    Still, imho there was potential and elements of an epic SW movie with needed changes to evolve the saga beyond the shadow of the originals - too bad the bloat ware ruins that.

    #573 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    While you are correct that Maul is an amazing villain (my favorite in the series actually) he was not killed off in TPM. See both Clone Wars and Rebels for more on Maul, they are both cannon and he survived the fight again Ginn and Kenobi.

    He got cut in half, fell a crazy distance, and lived? How?

    #574 2 years ago
    Quoted from northvibe:

    hahah, yes! It was like, they have this new tech that tracks ships, but only on the main ship.

    What I caught was that the tech is somehow dependent on the Empire fleets formation through hyperspace and the lead ship in the formation would somehow be able to track and relay navigation to the rest. They couldn’t simply take out the lead ship because any ship in the Empire’s group could take the lead position and do this. So they had to go on board and disable the tech on the lead ship in a manner that wouldn’t be immediately detected.

    Honestly I wouldn’t want any more of an explanation in the movie, leave the technobabble for books etc to fill in later as they did for the original movies. Its facinating fantasy but most people aren’t going to care exactly how a make believe technology “works”, sorry.

    Anyway, yeah I found the Luke Rey interaction to be a little on the weak side as well but ok... and the Casino bit was out of place... and yeah character development was definitely missing on many levels, but overall I enjoyed the movie. The movie was fun and entertaining.

    That being said I probably won’t watch again because while I can watch something once and just go for the ride enjoying a movie for what it is, I probably would be more critical a second time through.

    #575 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I was interested in her because the actress is a Game of Thrones star and pretty awesome. Sadly, it wouldn’t have mattered who was wearing that suit in the end, we get an eye only right before her death...anyone could have acted that part. Waste of an excellent actress’ talents.

    Agree with this,
    If people didn't make a big deal about this, I would never have known/cared about who was in the suit, it's not even obvious it's a female, you never see her without her mask to have that be interesting or surprising. But again, I wouldn't even think to know that I'm missing something if not for people complaining about it. Makes me feel like I should have cared, but don't and probably shouldn't.

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    #577 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    While you are correct that Maul is an amazing villain (my favorite in the series actually) he was not killed off in TPM. See both Clone Wars and Rebels for more on Maul, they are both cannon and he survived the fight again Ginn and Kenobi.

    Say what? He was cut in half! How can (did?) he survive that? And if he did, well then truly anything is reversible in the Star Wars universe and this hubbub over the TLJ is much ado about nothing. It’ll pass and mistakes will be rectified.

    Look, to me, Star Wars is the movies, and that’s it. The EU is like an “alternate universe” to me, and not the real Star Wars. The sprawling EU offers up too much, from too many perspectives (and agendas?).

    Im sure it’s not, but my instinct also tells me it’s kinda random, so not part of the “Skywalker Saga” that I love. I understand that for many the EU might be the best part of the whole shebang, but it seems a bit overwhelming, not to mention a huge commitment.

    #578 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    He got cut in half, fell a crazy distance, and lived? How?

    Beat me to it!

    #579 2 years ago

    He was a space wizard with a fancy dual bladed laser sword; anything is possible

    #580 2 years ago

    I don't understand why people don't like this movie.I loved it and I saw the very first one when it came out.I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

    #581 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    Say what? He was cut in half! How can (did?) he survive that?

    I don’t want to spoil Clone Wars with particulars, but Maul played a big part in that show and was a fierce Sith rival to the Emperor and Dooku and had his own Sith apprentance. He obviously was not “whole”...

    #582 2 years ago
    Quoted from jhanley:

    I don't understand why people don't like this movie.I loved it and I saw the very first one when it came out.I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

    Glad you enjoyed it, but there are quite a few posts in this thread detailing the issue many have with the movie. Personally, I didn't hate it but it failed to meet my expectations. It felt a bit like if you watched (or read) the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and at the end of the second film (book) Frodo realized he grabbed the wrong ring. Sure the buildup to that moment was enjoyable, but ultimately it didn't go anywhere. Oh...plus Sauron's dead and Sam can now fly.

    #583 2 years ago
    Quoted from lpeters82:

    Glad you enjoyed it, but there are quite a few posts in this thread detailing the issue many have with the movie. Personally, I didn't hate it but it failed to meet my expectations. It felt a bit like if you watched (or read) the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and at the end of the second film (book) Frodo realized he grabbed the wrong ring. Sure the buildup to that moment was enjoyable, but ultimately it didn't go anywhere. Oh...plus Sauron's dead and Sam can now fly.

    My oldest son hated it but my daughter loved it.I had no idea what was going to happen next in this movie which made it interesting.

    #584 2 years ago

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    #585 2 years ago

    Many super fans are so set in their thinking and expectations that they literally cannot acknowledge a different explanation / direction / story arc from their own; and most everything many super fans have been picking on in SW8 can be explained away pretty simply.

    Snoke had already begun to corrupt Ben. When Luke recognized that, he briefly considered killing Ben to spare the galaxy from the darkness to come. It makes sense and works with the OB1 scene in that picture; the text is just narrow spin. And it can be simply explained. Luke could always feel the good in his father, and saw even more of a pit of darkness in his nephew. And he still couldn't go through with killing him. It's reasonably playing on the human condition. Strange to complain about the human condition. Hyperspeed tracking can be explained and has been on the net, same with hyperspace collisions, etc, etc. In an open alternate universe most everything can be explained away or justified in a movie. To try to pick it apart because it isn't what you wanted to see is often futile, just say you didn't like the direction they took in the movie. That's frankly the root of the issue.

    Interestingly, The Empire Strikes back had similar hand-wringing from a certain segment back in the day as well which is now being pointed out and discussed on the net in the context of SW8 (never knew that). http://mashable.com/2017/12/19/last-jedi-empire-strikes-back-haters/#8FIxx4YSZsq3. TESB is now highly respected in the series. (IMO, a high point)

    One thing I learned from all this is that Rotten Tomatoes user ratings can be gamed; SW8, 92% from the critics and <55% from users (at this time). I don't remember such a large disparity before on RT. Usually, if anything user ratings tend to be higher than critic ratings. Lots of talk/evidence of bots/shilling.

    Great movie! I enjoyed Star Wars The Last Jedi. A little long, slow in a few spots and a few minor quibbles but it was novel and fun. I enjoy new and different directions. SW8 delivered that. YMMV.

    #586 2 years ago
    Quoted from dzoomer:

    One thing I have learned from SW8 feedback is that Rotten tomatoes user ratings can be gamed; 92% from the critics and <60% from users. Lots of talk and evidence of bots/shilling

    And you feel the review from the critics is perfectly fair and reasonable? Disney does seem to use intimidation here and there with critics. I have no faith in the critics myself, they collectively seem wrong with so many reviews in so many ways.

    #587 2 years ago

    The movie was horseshit. A few redeemable action scenes, but all in all it was horrible. It’s all been discussed already.

    #588 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    And you feel the review from the critics is perfectly fair and reasonable? Disney does seem to use intimidation here and there with critics. I have no faith in the critics myself, they collectively seem wrong with so many reviews in so many ways.

    It was merely an observation that "generally" one sees user reviews at a similar rating to the critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. And imo its expected; those ratings tend to not be independent variables, so to speak.

    Aggregated critics reviews have been a reasonable guide for me. I usually agree with them, but not always. Things in life aren't black and white... so I wouldn't use the terms "perfectly fair and reasonable" as I don't believe that's a good premise. More like "reasonably fair and generally accurate". Lots of wiggle room there for the greyness in life.

    I don't know the Disney backstory but I'll read up on it when I have some time. I don't doubt some potential influence on reviews. As mentioned, life is not black and white; I see all that time that there's a different set of rules for the 1%er's out there (in people and business).

    #589 2 years ago
    Quoted from dzoomer:

    It was merely an observation that "generally" one sees user reviews at a similar rating to the critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. And I find it's expected; such ratings tend to not be independent variables, so to speak.
    Aggregated critics reviews have been a reasonable guide for me. I usually agree with them, but not always. Things in life aren't black and white... so I wouldn't use the terms "perfectly fair and reasonable" as I don't believe that is a good premise. More like reasonably fair and generally accurate.

    I generally find the audience reviews more accurate than critics.

    #590 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    I generally find the audience reviews more accurate than critics.

    Sure. And as I posted, I've observed that they both tend to have similar rating values on Rotten Tomatoes, especially for the big budget hollywood movies. It's just "really not" what's happened with SW8 (so far); big disparity, with critics of all things liking it much more.

    #591 2 years ago

    Careful, anymore rotten tomatoes talk and Levi will pop back in with a meme.

    oh screw it, it's at 53% with 139,340 reviews. personally I would think if there were a ton of bots influencing it there would be way more reviews than 140,000.

    #592 2 years ago
    Quoted from dzoomer:

    Sure. And as I posted, I've observed that they both tend to have similar rating values on Rotten Tomatoes, especially for the big budget hollywood movies. It's just "really not" what's happened with SW8 (so far); big disparity, with critics of all things liking it much more.

    Big disparity on Justice League too...opposite of SW:TLJ in that critics disliked it and the users like it.

    #593 2 years ago

    Ya, was sitting here thinking of Justice League as I've also seen it. Looked it up and it's a big disparity too, but not quite as big as SW8 and the opposite way as you mentioned. Don't user ratings generally exceed critic ratings on RT? That's been my experience. Though rarely as large as JL. This may be another example of super fans skewing the RT rating. Comic book superhero and SW themes do have huge fan bases.

    I saw JL at the theater and again tend to agree more with the critics than the users. Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy JL. I'd rate it a 6-7. Could have been much more. There are far better superhero movies out there, but some far worse ones too. And talking about plot holes, unfortunately JL was bad there; notably worse than SW imo.

    #594 2 years ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    Say what? He was cut in half! How can (did?) he survive that? And if he did, well then truly anything is reversible in the Star Wars universe and this hubbub over the TLJ is much ado about nothing. It’ll pass and mistakes will be rectified.
    Look, to me, Star Wars is the movies, and that’s it. The EU is like an “alternate universe” to me, and not the real Star Wars. The sprawling EU offers up too much, from too many perspectives (and agendas?).
    Im sure it’s not, but my instinct also tells me it’s kinda random, so not part of the “Skywalker Saga” that I love. I understand that for many the EU might be the best part of the whole shebang, but it seems a bit overwhelming, not to mention a huge commitment.

    yes, but you have to have a certain believeablity to the movie too. To captivate you. there is a reason, Mission impossible 2 is deemed one of the worst movies ever made, while all the others are pretty awesome. It's because of the outlandish action sequences that are so far out of disbelief, that your mind just dismisses it as ridiculous. Same goes for character development. When you have characters introduce to each other, that have about 4 hours of interaction between each other. then try to throw in a deep love affair between those characters. The script is really expecting your mind to really dismiss a lot of things that should have been built up. They did that a lot in TLJ. Where they basically said...yes we know the timeline isn't working out, or....we know it's a stretch to believe this, but we are too lazy to make it more in depth, and we know the fans will buy into it, regardless. As long as disney can sell the merchandise, I get my paycheck.

    #595 2 years ago
    Quoted from jhanley:

    I don't understand why people don't like this movie.I loved it and I saw the very first one when it came out.I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

    I was too, because after about 30 min, I wanted to leave.

    #596 2 years ago

    The issue here is objectivity, can you really be objective with a widely loved franchise such as SW? If it was a generic sci-fi movie the critics and the audiences would have universally panned it. Sony obviously has leaned on the critics on this one....I don't buy it for a second that the movie we saw should be rated at 92%. I'm no critic but I know a thing or two about film and this was a sophomoric fumble at every level...(except for cashing in on a legendary legacy). If making money was the only thing this exercise was about then hats off to Mrs. Kennedy and clan. Mission Accomplished.

    #597 2 years ago

    I guess it's what you like personally.I liked this movie but I hated the new Spider-Man movie and it was popular.

    #598 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I was interested in her because the actress is a Game of Thrones star and pretty awesome. Sadly, it wouldn’t have mattered who was wearing that suit in the end, we get an eye only right before her death...anyone could have acted that part. Waste of an excellent actress’ talents.

    Are you kidding? She'll be back.

    She shouldn't have survived the last movie so I doubt she died in this one.

    #599 2 years ago
    Quoted from dzoomer:

    Ya, was sitting here thinking of Justice League as I've also seen it.

    Just caught it a few days ago, thought JL was a far better movie than some of the rumbling I heard.

    Its short so some points are expected to be rushed along but all in all very entertaining.

    #600 2 years ago

    Man I lost it for Star Wars in the 80's. I still have no idea what people are so into it. I loved eps IV when I was 12 years old. Even my son has zero interest in these movies. Force Awakens was brutal. Rogue One, we started watching and never got through it. Last Jedi, interest = ZERO. Even turned me off on the Stern pin. {yawn}

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