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Spike board repair resource

By TimeBandit

6 years ago


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    #1 6 years ago

    Maybe we should collect examples of Spike board repairs in one place to help alleviate some of the anxiety that seems to be growing about the maintenance and repair of this system.

    I threw my toys out of the playpen a bit when I recently blew my first fet on a Spike node board and shot from the hip, landing on the side of "they are not repairable". Well, of course they are and now that I have calmed down a bit I am going to post the repair details here.
    Hopefully others will follow as they fix up spike boards and we can build a bit of a resource.

    I'll kick it off..

    The problem: Buggerising around with an RGB insert trying to source RGB to drive ramp lights on my AS pro, led to me shorting it and blowing the mosfet that drives the blue.

    The board: The big expensive node board, lol.

    Part name (on the board): Q12

    Repair concerns: tightly packed SMD components. Close proximity to header.

    Replacement part: 2N7002P n-channel mosfet in a SOT-23 package.

    Old part removal: I opted to not use hot air. Without building a heat shield I'm pretty sure the close proximity header would melt. If you build a heat shield I think you will compromise too much of your working room.
    I used a good, fine point iron and did the three-pin dance with some gentle tweezer pressure applied to lift off the original. It worked! Take your time! Apply a little of your normal leaded solder to the joints to help.

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    New part fitting: I plan on using paste and hot air. The process should be quick enough to avoid melting the header. Installation is always quicker than removal. (Oops, my solder paste is leaded, )

    Part ordered. A few days until it arrives.

    More to come..

    #2 6 years ago

    I would clean the pads off with solder wick then position the new part and juat solder it straight onto the board. Forget about leaded solder. It will make zero difference to your repair.

    #3 6 years ago

    I wouldn't be using a heat gun anywhere near this board. It is far too tightly packed.

    #4 6 years ago
    Quoted from Homepin:

    I wouldn't be using a heat gun anywhere near this board. It is far too tightly packed.

    I definitely agree on the removal. I'm willing to give it a quick go on the fitting. It should be pretty quick. If it starts to go awry the iron will come straight out.

    #5 6 years ago

    All the parts close by will start coming off. I wouldn't use it you risk destroying the board. Three pads is a doddle with a soldering iron. Simply no need for a heat gun here.

    #6 6 years ago

    Thanks for starting a productive thread rather than the "sky is falling" thread the other one turned into.

    Quoted from Homepin:

    I wouldn't be using a heat gun anywhere near this board. It is far too tightly packed.

    We repair boards like that all the time with hot air. Not a big deal with a pre-heater, the proper nozzle, programmable rework station and some heat shielding.

    Most hobbyists aren't going to spend that type of money though so you have to get creative. Chipquik is like magic or in the case of the FET's hot tweezers in one hand and soldering iron in the other would work pretty well. Or the OP did just fine without any additional equipment.

    For those not familiar with Chip Quik.


    Quoted from TimeBandit:New part fitting: I plan on using paste and hot air

    I put this in the other thread, and it probably should be here for those learning to deal with SMT (Hope you don't mind me expanding your thread to include tips and tricks.)

    Ceramic fiber non-woven shields and Kapton tape work great for creating heat dams and protecting adjacent components. Here's some info on the shielding effectiveness for anyone interested.

    http://circuitsassembly.com/ca/magazine/24290-rework-1410.html

    #7 6 years ago
    Quoted from TimeBandit:

    Oops, my solder paste is leaded.

    Quoted from Homepin:

    Forget about leaded solder.

    Leaded solder will make the job (and risk to adjoining components) much easier since lower soldering temps are required. In fact I would recommend people new to SMT not use unleaded solder.

    #8 6 years ago

    Yes. I meant that to use leaded solder would be a good thing so forget about worrying about it.

    #9 6 years ago

    Wicked(that's as in solder wick) nice and clean.

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    30 seconds later.. (Please excuse the shoddy alignment )

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    Works 100%.

    There, it's official. Spike boards are repairable.

    #10 6 years ago

    Rock on swinks!

    Was hat with a fine tipped iron or the heat?

    #11 6 years ago
    Quoted from northvibe:

    Rock on swinks!
    Was hat with a fine tipped iron or the heat?

    Went with the iron in the end. Didn't even bother starting up the air. Common sense kicks in as soon as you look at it..a single SOT-23?..too easy.

    #12 6 years ago
    Quoted from TimeBandit:

    Went with the iron in the end. Didn't even bother starting up the air. Common sense kicks in as soon as you look at it..a single SOT-23?..too easy.

    Yeah, I've been working with surface mount since those little led's came out. Your son? mods those controllers right? stuff like that. Once you get the right iron, it is sooooooo easy.

    #13 6 years ago

    Nice work and thanks for sharing.

    #14 6 years ago

    Hello
    I recently fixed the main board that had lost the 9V power for the node bus communications. All the power status LEDs were lit apart from the 9V. I think the transient suppression diode D4 must have gone short circuit and taken out the regulator chip U10. Changed those two components and all has been OK since, that was maybe 6 months ago.
    The only difficult bit was removing U10. This chip has an exposed metal-base that mates with a heat-pipe on the circuit board, as the photo shows. I think perhaps these are bonded together with a thermal type epoxy glue and hence a little difficult to separate!
    I've got SMD rework kit but this was easily done with some fine side-cutters and traditional soldering iron fitted with a tiny tip!
    Cheers bob

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    #15 6 years ago

    Thanks for putting this thread together TB my wrestlemania is dead an have no idea how to get it going, I'm going to take it to Zax amusements to look at it because no one around here has a clue about the new spike system, but will post the outcome when it comes back.

    #16 6 years ago
    Quoted from pinballtoys:

    Hello
    I recently fixed the main board that had lost the 9V power for the node bus communications. All the power status LEDs were lit apart from the 9V. I think the transient suppression diode D4 must have gone short circuit and taken out the regulator chip U10. Changed those two components and all has been OK since, that was maybe 6 months ago.
    The only difficult bit was removing U10. This chip has an exposed metal-base that mates with a heat-pipe on the circuit board, as the photo shows. I think perhaps these are bonded together with a thermal type epoxy glue and hence a little difficult to separate!
    I've got SMD rework kit but this was easily done with some fine side-cutters and traditional soldering iron fitted with a tiny tip!
    Cheers bob

    Hi All

    Perhaps I should elaborate as to how I worked out the faulty components, as this may help others with similar situations.

    There are four status LEDs that indicate the four supply rails are present, 5V, 9V, 24V and 48V

    Looking at the board there are four identical chips with identical components around them, so I figured they were the controller chips for those supply rails. Its the usual switch mode circuit comprising controller ic & it's inductor/capacitor. Looking up the data sheet confirmed this and provided the pinout, to see which pin is the output.
    IIRC even the 48V rail is again regulated on the board, despite the overall 48V power supply.

    Now the 9V LED via its current limiting resistor is always going to be strapped across the monitored voltage rail and ground.

    So with my multi-meter set to continuity-bleep I probed around the outputs from the four regulator chips to the 9V LED until I found the chip that was connected.

    To prove this further I did the same for the other LED voltage indicators to the other chips until I was happy that each chip accounted for a particular supply rail.

    Next the suspect regulator chip I measured its output resistance to ground, a direct short!

    IIRC there's also a large through hole capacitor as well as the transient diode in parallel to the output of the 9V regulator chip U10, so either could be responsible for the short to ground. I figured removing the diode was easier and less likely to damage the PCB. However the short was still present, next I checked the diode with my meter set to diode check. This diode D4 was short circuit!

    Same thing again I figured its easier to remove the chip then the cap even though I’d have put money on the capacitor being bad. Once the regulator chip was removed, the short was gone.

    While the capacitor was effectively out of circuit I tested with an ESR meter which showed the capacitor to be OK

    Then it was a case of soldering in a new chip and diode. Powered up and 9V was good.

    Good idea to by some really fine soldered as well , I used some 0.3mm diameter

    Cheers Bob

    2 months later
    #17 6 years ago

    Wow this is great. I know Rob Anthony said hes been able to fix them as well. My guys have not had much chance to work on any but I have 2 guys who do quite a bit of surface mount work and 1 guy who does it less often but is able too.

    I have not used this but I was going to buy one to give it a try but here is a hot air rework setup. for pretty cheap. Did some looking around and it had decent reviews. Not a hard core setup but for hobby work should be ok.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Pro-Tech-853D-SMD-DC-Power-3in1-Hot-Air-Iron-Gun-Rework-Soldering-Station-Welder-6-Gift/111981731?u1=aa9aa51a7e0711e7a7a152891ca1aa110INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=19864510413606151651&affillinktype=10&veh=aff

    #18 6 years ago
    Quoted from Gexchange:

    I have not used this but I was going to buy one to give it a try but here is a hot air rework setup. for pretty cheap.

    I have an older (non digital) version of this one that works well for me:
    https://www.circuitspecialists.com/hot-air-rework-soldering-station-csi900+.html

    The pump in this one is in the base unit. It's not clear on the one you referenced how the hot air works.

    Edit: They go on sale occasionally if you sign up for their emails (they're good about not sending too many).

    1 year later
    #19 4 years ago

    ChipQuik (http://www.chipquik.com/store/) is very handy for surface mount work if you don't have a rework station.

    1 year later
    #20 3 years ago

    BURNT CHIP!

    I purchased a HUO Ghostbuster Premium the other week - been having fun on it, and I woke up this morning to half the playfield being dark (I left machine on overnight) - the diagnostic failed Node 9 board. I did some searches and decided to pull the board after reseating the cat5 connections (didn't work) - and was going to swap with Node 8 and see if that told me anything. Before I did that - I noticed on the board that a whole chip had fried. I'm posting pictures here. Any advice on getting it fixed, or talking with Stern? Thanks!

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    #21 3 years ago
    Quoted from BradVR4:

    BURNT CHIP!
    I purchased a HUO Ghostbuster Premium the other week - been having fun on it, and I woke up this morning to half the playfield being dark (I left machine on overnight) - the diagnostic failed Node 9 board. I did some searches and decided to pull the board after reseating the cat5 connections (didn't work) - and was going to swap with Node 8 and see if that told me anything. Before I did that - I noticed on the board that a whole chip had fried. I'm posting pictures here. Any advice on getting it fixed, or talking with Stern? Thanks![quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    Was this the mode board that had a tsb for having the Ethernet pulled too tight? Anyone remember?

    #22 3 years ago
    Quoted from northvibe:

    Was this the mode board that had a tsb for having the Ethernet pulled too tight? Anyone remember?

    Not sure about the Ethernet one, but this one was to do with the diode breaking off
    https://sternpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Stern-SB189.pdf

    5 months later
    #23 2 years ago

    Another Node Board saved! Q10 crapped out and I was able to successfully repair it thanks to this thread. ChipQuik made life much easier. Game is working perfectly again.

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    #24 2 years ago

    General question - other than being able to see a chip being visibly fried, how would you know where to look if a chip went bad? How would you know what to test?

    Are there any instructional resourced out there? I’ve already done a hot air solder repair on an LED on one of my boards, so I’m willing to learn more advanced repairs.

    Increased reliance on these boards means general repair skills on these boards is becoming a “must” in the hobby.

    #25 2 years ago
    Quoted from AAAV8R:

    General question - other than being able to see a chip being visibly fried, how would you know where to look if a chip went bad? How would you know what to test?
    Are there any instructional resourced out there? I’ve already done a hot air solder repair on an LED on one of my boards, so I’m willing to learn more advanced repairs.
    Increased reliance on these boards means general repair skills on these boards is becoming a “must” in the hobby.

    Start with a board schematic and the datasheet of the chip you want to test so you know the pin assignments. You can use a logic probe or oscilloscope to test the various inputs and outputs once you have a general idea of what they should be doing from the schematic.

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