Quoted from MapleSyrup:
So, you're saying that whatever hard costs Stern spent on doing the new animation, and voice work are the ONLY costs involved in bringing this pin to market??? Or that any other costs are negligible?? That's insane RH.
I can guarantee you, a lot of time and effort went in to this pin. Yes, the lion share of development costs were already done, but what they have done here is not nothing, and it's not inexpensive to accomplish. We don't know what it cost to bring this pin to market, but bring it to market they will, and it'll be weeks from now, and that's a great thing.
I'm done arguing about this. The good news is, there's another NIB pin available for those who want it, and Everybody's original SM is still just as good as it was before.
Let's play some pinball everybody. That's what it's all about. I'm looking forward to playing one of these in person.
So what is your tipping point of value on this pin anyway? If this was $7500 US? $8500? At what point will you not just be happy that pins are being made becasue the prices are too high? .
The truth is, this how crashes start. Manufactures start to limit their supply and raise prices instead to make the same amount of money. They say, "Let's make less pins at higher prices! We worked really hard changing the art and dots on this SM and we have been underpricing our pins apparently and need to get top dollar for our home run product we make and hard work we do on changing this art out! Let's keep testing the market on price!"
This less product at higher price shit goes on for a while and people, like you, say they think raising prices is just fine with the as long as pins are still being made. Keep them coming! People start to get off on stuff being more limited beacsue they like to "collect" pins and they only drop like $500 in price right? If SM was $3800 when pinball was less popular 8 years ago it should be $6500 today. Right? They work hard on this pinball art and dot stuff!
So all is great for a while, but then a bad title comes out and another that plays poorly and then perhaps peoples homes and stock portfolios go down 5% or more a year rather than going up 5% or more. I dont know when, but it is coming. People will sell a pin and take a bigger and bigger hit out of the box. $500 hit is nothing for most, but mabey if you are down $1000, $1500 or $2000 it could be a big deal. People start to say I will just play the 1-20 pins that I own and not buy a NIB this time around or next or next. Maybe they will buy a HUO at $2000 less! People who run routes will just repair their games and not buy new ones also. This causes less people to know anout pinball, so you cant attract more of the "take my money!" crowd that has no problem with prices going up.
Gary was all about how pinball needs to be played on location for it to survive in the future. Location this, location that, blah blah like a broken record. Then he comes out with this great kid/family game that is great for on location play and pushes the price up on the folks that buy the games for on location play. It is a missed opportunity. IMHO.
To me pinball should be like an appliance type toy, like an air hockey table or Golden Tee, more then a "collectable". They should be used for entertainment and make a little money on location. The more pins you make and sell the better because more people will play and pinball it can survive a down market with the larger numbers of potential buyers who enjoy it.
Pushing the price up and up will lower demand at some point. The reason demand is lowered could happen even if your product is great. Shit happens in this world. Maybe pinball is not that important to people anymore. Once pinball does take a drop and it will for whatever reason, I do not want it to fall hard because I love it. Most of us, myself included, do have a price that will be on to high to buy NIB pins anymore or somethig in their lives changes and they will pass. This SM at $6500 is just to high for me so I will not consider it.
Honestly Paragon for $1200 is a complete friggin bargain as I think of it again now.