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Spanish Eyes (Williams, 1972) MATCH

By Jsbfilm

6 months ago

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#1 6 months ago

I have match turned on, and at the end of every game, a different every time match number illuminates on the back glass, but after hundreds of games, it’s NEVER matched a game score! I’m starting to believe that can’t be chance. (My Gottlieb Hot Shot matches at least once a session). Any ideas what’s going on? Thx! EDITED to clarify the match number is different at end of each game

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#6 6 months ago
Quoted from Mikala:

Do the match numbers change at the end of every game?
If you have the machine set to “add a ball” or novelty mode, the end of game number match will not work.

@mikala Thx, yes, I do have it set to Add A Ball, and a unique match number illuminates at the end of every game, different every time, but never ever a match. Hundreds of games! With Add A Ball, should it not be illuminating the match number?

#8 6 months ago
Quoted from PinballAir:

I am not sure if it is the same version but my space mission had the same problem.
The match unit on SM is in the center of the head. There is a small plastic cam that breaks.
If you find that broken it is available as a repro from johns jukes in vancover.

pinballair thx, in your scenario, does that broken part prevent the match point from changing? I’ve clarified my post above that the Match Unit indeed changes every game.

#9 6 months ago

pinballair Thx. Well, dang, that’s disappointing. Wonder if it can hacked to allow.

#10 6 months ago
Quoted from dr_nybble:

I think what you're saying is that you never match even though it should be a 10% to match! A quick look at the schematic shows that the 10 point relay is the only thing that increments the match unit. Given that, I think you should be able to tell what score will give a match after the game resets based on the position of the match unit.
Based on the lights in the schematic it looks like the match unit sequence is:
00 40 90 50 20 80 30 70 10 60
I whipped up an Excel spreadsheet based on that sequence:
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Assuming it is correct it shows that there is a 10% chance of matching, but that with certain match unit positions after reset you have zero chance (5 of them you have zero chance!), two have 10% chance, one 20% and two 30%.

dr_nybble haha thanks for that!

#14 6 months ago

Thx pinballair and markg! I’m less concerned with actually receiving a free credit (I have the credit unit shorted at the reel to alway be in free mode - could that be complicating the match number matching ever?) But would just like the Match Number to actually match SOMETIME. Would making change manual suggest, markg, stop it from never matching? When I turn it to OFF the match lights no longer illuminate. Can I have my Add A Ball cake and eat my match number matching too??? By illicit, that is tweaking it, means?

#17 6 months ago
Quoted from MarkG:

I don't think that would affect the Match circuit.

The game was designed to award extra balls, or free games, but not both. If you want extra balls and free match games you'd need to modify the replay circuit. I think this would do what you want:
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- turn the No. Match ON
- move the Game Adjustment to Add A Ball
- remove the white-green wire on the Game Over relay switch from the No Match adjustment (not the other one from the 100,000 point relay)
- attach it to the Grey wire wherever you can
That should give you extra balls for everything including high scores, but occasionally give you a free game for a match at the end of the game.
I wouldn't recommend this because some day someone will want to undo this and won't realize that the circuit has been hacked. If you do try this please leave a note or some other indication of the changes you've made inside the game.

Amazing, thank you markg I really appreciate and will indeed leave a note in there (a print out of your above instructions actually).

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