Source for replacement round-head twist nails on front rail plates?


By BlackCatBone

10 months ago


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    #1 10 months ago

    Greetings -

    I've got a 1950s Bally bingo where a previous owner removed the surround plates for the magic squares and coin slot for polishing. The plates look great, but when they went back on the game they were attached with phillips-head screws. I'd like to replace the phillips screws with original-style round head twist screws, often called escutcheon pins. I've been looking for the nails with no success. Has anyone found a source for new nails in the original shape and head dimensions?

    Thanks.

    #2 10 months ago

    No, though if you find a source, please share! The little nail standoffs (collars) are also very difficult to find, and were only used on certain positions on certain plates on certain games - most notably the screen games.

    #3 10 months ago

    Try Joe Shope in Salt Lake City, Utah http://www.bingo55joe@hotmail.com

    I dropped one of them washer collars and never saw it again. and he replaced it.

    #4 10 months ago

    I bought some from PBR a couple years ago...send an email or call them.

    #5 10 months ago

    Is this what you are seeking:
    http://www.pbresource.com/tools.html then go to Siderail nails GTB FA701.

    #6 10 months ago

    No, those are too long and too large, unfortunately. I haven't checked with Steve on the footrail nails, though - worth a shot! Joe is great to deal with as well, and he should be able to help you. I just wish there was a source for new nails.

    #7 10 months ago

    Hugh had bought a box of 'em a bunch of years ago - small heads - flat underside - black tho - he gave me enough to restore my games . had to polish the black away- said he got the from a hardware/faster wholesale company and they were discontinuing them due to lack of demand. - shame too cuz they look great on my games.

    #8 9 months ago

    I checked with Joe and no dice. I need 24 for a full set, so he may be able to supply one or two, but not in the quantity I need. I'll post a link if I find a source for new escutcheon pins in the original dimensions.

    I tried to remove original nails from the front rail of my parts game. I've done a pretty good job of destroying the plate the nails hold down without making the nails budge one bit. If someone has a technique for removing original nails, I'd love to hear it.

    #9 9 months ago

    You have to use a vicegrip and get it to bite the head...then twist them out like a screw. If you can't get a bite you need to use a chisel or something like a sharp flat head screwdriver to dig up the head so the vicegrip can grab it.

    #10 9 months ago

    use a painter's pry bar ...

    #11 9 months ago
    Quoted from Pinball_Muggle:

    use a painter's pry bar ...

    Thanks... just ordered one.

    #12 9 months ago

    slip the long tapered end under the plate and get them started up (they'er stubborn too) then follow kvan99's technique ...still cussing will be involved.

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    #13 9 months ago
    Quoted from bingopodcast:

    No, though if you find a source, please share! The little nail standoffs (collars) are also very difficult to find, and were only used on certain positions on certain plates on certain games - most notably the screen games.

    For the record these were called "Risers" (Nail Risers would be more accurate I guess).

    #14 9 months ago

    I think you told me that at some point. Just one of many things I forget all the time.

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    #15 9 months ago
    Quoted from wayner:

    Is this what you are seeking:
    http://www.pbresource.com/tools.html then go to Siderail nails GTB FA701.

    Thanks for the tip. The PBR side rail nail looks similar to the bingo nails, with a slightly flatter profile to the nail head. However, with no dimensions listed, I'd have to order a batch to check the head diameter.

    In the end I wound up salvaging 24 nails from my parts game. Fortunately the game had body armor that was attached back in the day with twist nails, and I got half of what I needed by removing the armor. Unfortunately I destroyed the front rail plates on my parts game while removing the twist nails. (I can't believe the holding power of those 60 year old nails.) It was for a good cause, though, and the look of original nails beats the hell out of the phillips-head screws I replaced.

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    #16 5 months ago

    Check this out!

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    #17 5 months ago

    if someone wants to measure the originals, the closest I found to the right "domed" head shape was u-drive screws....like these:
    http://rivetsonline.com/drive-screw/18-8-stainless-steel-drive-screws.html

    the shaft may be too fat, tho. I've definitely pulled a few of these out of various machines.

    I assume nobody cares about the helix...just the right head shape?

    #18 5 months ago

    Twit, Coos, from across the pond, sells these nails.
    They seem different than the nails on pictures of newly restored units
    that I have seen!

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    #19 5 months ago
    Quoted from baldtwit:

    if someone wants to measure the originals, the closest I found to the right "domed" head shape was u-drive screws....like these:
    http://rivetsonline.com/drive-screw/18-8-stainless-steel-drive-screws.html
    the shaft may be too fat, tho. I've definitely pulled a few of these out of various machines.
    I assume nobody cares about the helix...just the right head shape?

    These look like a good replacement for siderail nails, to hold the ball ramps to the siderails... The nails I have seem to be slightly smaller than a 1/8 which is .124 and 1/2 inch long. Going to buy a box of 4 by 1/2. If anybody wants some let me know

    #20 5 months ago

    "pinhead52", do you have a picture of the nail(s)?

    #21 5 months ago

    Here's a picture of my side rail nail.
    I am assuming it is original!
    It came out very easily!!

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    #22 5 months ago

    Hold that thought on easy to remove.
    The first one was, but, not most of the others!

    #23 5 months ago

    Should not have called them siderail nails, PBR sells the standard nails. I need the shorter nails, 1/2 inch to hold the ball guides on the pf rails. I just ordered 4 by 1/2 inch (long)

    #24 5 months ago
    Quoted from Terry1:

    Hold that thought on easy to remove.
    The first one was, but, not most of the others!

    yea, I use a wide plaster knife to get under the siderail and pull it out slightly then with vice grips grap head to twist and remove

    #25 5 months ago

    This is the correct size front rail nail. About ten years ago I found a local manufacturer who had agreed to manufacture these but they went out of business before they were able to get to them. Grrrr!
    If anyone can find a place to make them, I would be glad to send some NOS ones for copying.

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    #26 5 months ago
    Quoted from DennisDodel:

    This is the correct size front rail nail. About ten years ago I found a local manufacturer who had agreed to manufacture these but they went out of business before they were able to get to them. Grrrr!
    If anyone can find a place to make them, I would be glad to send some NOS ones for copying.

    the link above sells these, as I mentioned I sprang for some #4 by 1/2, I'll post a side by side pic when I get them

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    #27 5 months ago
    Quoted from baldtwit:

    if someone wants to measure the originals, the closest I found to the right "domed" head shape was u-drive screws....like these:
    http://rivetsonline.com/drive-screw/18-8-stainless-steel-drive-screws.html
    the shaft may be too fat, tho. I've definitely pulled a few of these out of various machines.
    I assume nobody cares about the helix...just the right head shape?

    Nice find

    #28 5 months ago
    Quoted from pinhead52:

    the link above sells these, as I mentioned I sprang for some #4 by 1/2, I'll post a side by side pic when I get them

    Man, that would be great if those work. Thanks for posting.

    #29 5 months ago

    What a great find you guys.
    "pinhead52", I am really looking forward to the side by side pics!!!

    #30 5 months ago
    Quoted from pinhead52:

    the link above sells these, as I mentioned I sprang for some #4 by 1/2, I'll post a side by side pic when I get them

    I'm not seeing the "link above" that you referenced. Can you list it again? Thanks...

    #31 5 months ago
    Quoted from BlackCatBone:

    I'm not seeing the "link above" that you referenced. Can you list it again? Thanks...

    http://rivetsonline.com/drive-screw/18-8-stainless-steel-drive-screws.html

    #32 4 months ago

    Ok gang, got my order of nails in. #4 by 1/2. Nail is a little thicker than the existing spiral nail. May have to drill the ramp out to take nail. Being a little thicker probably helps going into the wood pf rails. Head is slightly larger as well. tempted to try the next size down. If anybody wants some of these LMK

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