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Sonic the Hedgehog Spinball

By McSquid

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    #851 13 days ago
    Quoted from SLCpunk2113:

    I think it’s cool but can you make it work from the player’s perspective?

    Not sure. Wasnt going to waste the effort trying if I didnt like it at all, so i threw this mock up together.

    #852 13 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    Do we love or hate this as a concept?

    Very cool

    #853 13 days ago

    Idk how I like the look of the sonic head on top vs him being entirely on the spinner, although the aspect ratio may make the graphic too small

    What about Sonic wagging his finger like the splash screen?

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    #854 13 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    Do we love or hate this as a concept?

    Best spinner ever

    #855 13 days ago

    Just gets cooler and cooler by the minute. Would love to see this get picked up or McSquid get picked up somewhere. Dudes got skills.

    #856 13 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    Do we love or hate this as a concept?

    Awesome idea!! Could make the legs a foil sticker and under-light it like Star Trek spinner.

    #857 13 days ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    Idk how I like the look of the sonic head on top vs him being entirely on the spinner, although the aspect ratio may make the graphic too small
    What about Sonic wagging his finger like the splash screen?
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    Good idea, but I want to tie together the spinners with the speed system as much as possible and sonic running make the most sense for that.

    #858 13 days ago

    Simply put the spinner is actually brilliant, make his shoes a brighter red for more contrast I bet it will draw the eye more.

    #859 12 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    Do we love or hate this as a concept?

    Love. Certainly more creative than all the glitter spinners Stern has put out over the years.

    #860 12 days ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    Idk how I like the look of the sonic head on top vs him being entirely on the spinner, although the aspect ratio may make the graphic too small
    What about Sonic wagging his finger like the splash screen?
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    No way. The spinner builds speed. Perfect theme integration.

    #861 12 days ago

    Would it be interesting for you how fast the ball actually travells? I wrote some code to accurately measure the speed between two switches/optos in MPF. Never actually committed it but still got it laying around. If your hardware platform does timestamp switch hits (i.e. P/P3-Roc) we use that - otherwise we timestamp switch changes when we read them from the hardware.

    #862 12 days ago
    Quoted from jabdoa:

    Would it be interesting for you how fast the ball actually travells? I wrote some code to accurately measure the speed between two switches/optos in MPF. Never actually committed it but still got it laying around. If your hardware platform does timestamp switch hits (i.e. P/P3-Roc) we use that - otherwise we timestamp switch changes when we read them from the hardware.

    I had considered something like that. I can't decide if I'd love it, or if the real world speeds would break imersion.

    #863 11 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    I had considered something like that. I can't decide if I'd love it, or if the real world speeds would break imersion.

    What if a fast shot gave you a minor % bump in score/completing goals related to the shot? Like make a few speed ranges and award an extra 0/5/10/15% on a jackpot shot. Sorta like a AIQ’s tower

    #864 11 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    I had considered something like that. I can't decide if I'd love it, or if the real world speeds would break imersion.

    I don’t know if this would be any better, but you could measure the speed, but show the player a boosted number. Like in the real world a ball traveling 30mph would show up to the player as 300mph, or 3000mph. So it’s still based on a real measurement, but is exaggerated to keep it in the Sonic universe. But I dunno, maybe that still doesn’t fit well.

    #865 11 days ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    What if a fast shot gave you a minor % bump in score/completing goals related to the shot? Like make a few speed ranges and award an extra 0/5/10/15% on a jackpot shot. Sorta like a AIQ’s tower

    I don't see how measuring actual speed would add much to the game. There's only so much a player could do in that respect, given the nature of gameplay and the limits of the physics. Even repeatedly looping through a spinner hits a speed limit quickly. I think his spinner->speed mechanism nicely marries classic pinball play with the source game's theme.

    #866 11 days ago

    LOVE the spinner, I'm all for it!

    #867 10 days ago
    Quoted from UNCgump:

    I don't see how measuring actual speed would add much to the game. There's only so much a player could do in that respect, given the nature of gameplay and the limits of the physics. Even repeatedly looping through a spinner hits a speed limit quickly. I think his spinner->speed mechanism nicely marries classic pinball play with the source game's theme.

    I don't think I'd ever do anything with it in the rules other than maybe a high score name entry? Maybe an end of ball bonus tops. It would just be more of a "hey neat" like American pinball's play time/points per second statistics at the end of the game.

    #868 10 days ago

    How about a video mode to collect rings for an extra ball after beating a mode?

    #869 10 days ago
    Quoted from RikeIsland:

    How about a video mode to collect rings for an extra ball after beating a mode?

    No video modes. Nothing I could do that wouldn't just be a crappier version of one of the games. We have bonus levels but they are all pinball

    #870 10 days ago

    Could do a ring collect mode after losing your last ball for a chance to get your ball back. Kind of like “no place like home” on woz

    #871 9 days ago

    I LOVE that spinner, great idea!!

    A sensor to determine rate of rotation of the spinner could give data towards the cycling of a flasher pointed at the spinner for a robust (and over-engineered) stroboscopic zoetropic effect.

    #872 9 days ago
    Quoted from Chosen_S:

    Could do a ring collect mode after losing your last ball for a chance to get your ball back. Kind of like “no place like home” on woz

    Or as a kind of earned ball save opportunity, but of course with a timer to collect X number of rings.

    #873 9 days ago

    Do the picard maneuver 10 times in a row to collect 100 rings/extra ball.

    #874 9 days ago

    I don't think ball save modes are really necessary. The shield system is already quite generous (probably too much so) considering they don't go away when you use them. I think any game modes I program will be part of the main game. Extra ball already lights when 100 "banked rings" are obtained (a banked ring is a ring you have finished a level with that is contributing to your end of ball bonus for the rest of the game) I chose this approach since its almost impossible to get 100 at once outside of a bonus stage and 100 ring extra lives aren't awarded on bonus stages.

    I'm loving the discussion though! Thanks for helping make the game as good as it can be! Cant wait to see you all at Expo and Pintastic!

    I'll be streaming building today. MIGHT end up flipping by the end of the day.

    Twitch.TV/Ryan_McSquid

    #875 8 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    I don't think ball save modes are really necessary. The shield system is already quite generous (probably too much so) considering they don't go away when you use them. I think any game modes I program will be part of the main game. Extra ball already lights when 100 "banked rings" are obtained (a banked ring is a ring you have finished a level with that is contributing to your end of ball bonus for the rest of the game) I chose this approach since its almost impossible to get 100 at once outside of a bonus stage and 100 ring extra lives aren't awarded on bonus stages.
    I'm loving the discussion though! Thanks for helping make the game as good as it can be! Cant wait to see you all at Expo and Pintastic!
    I'll be streaming building today. MIGHT end up flipping by the end of the day.
    Twitch.TV/Ryan_McSquid

    You make good points and clearly know this game in greater detail than I do...

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    #876 8 days ago

    Shes flippin again!

    Still a lot of work to do, but it's nice to get to flip on v2

    V2 initial thoughts:

    - left orbit is noticeably easier. Higher spin dashes for sure, doubt it will be 10+ or anything but 5 no longer seems like it would be unreasonable. Almost never rattles out, almost always goes around as long as you hit it even vaguely clean

    - loop shot is significantly tighter, but it doesn't FEEL tighter. This is good. It also means I didn't ruin the loop shot when I moved the entire left side down. Still goes in from slings occasionally, still backflippable (not backhandable)

    - right ramp is the biggest difference in feel. The backhand is perfect. Forhand shots keep momentum around the curve and spin the signpost nice and fast. I don't feel any need to change this again unless it's to fix something unrelated.

    - pop area seems like it has more action, last pop target gets hit way more often (mystery lights easier)

    - flippers are slightly closer together, feels more fair. (Pretty sure they were like Ghostbusters gap before. Not intentional.)

    - outlanes still get ya but they aren't super hungry anymore either

    - playfield isn't warped (yaaaaaay)

    - shooter lane hits orbit very smoothly. Auto plunger has no trouble getting all the way around.

    - loop still works well. inconsistent exit. Will need to tweak to make sure it hits the spinner. Can probably turn the power down now that the arm isn't at half distance

    I'll be working on it throughout the week and weekend to bring it back up to speed (ha.)

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    #877 5 days ago

    Brought the game upstairs out of the dungeon. Fixed all the major issues we had when first booting V2, found myself playing instead of working. I really like this game

    Light rails v2 are now completed. They are mounted directly to the playfield instead of the cab magnets. This means I don't need to remove them everytime I lift the playfield, and they feel way more legit and part of the game instead of a hacky mod.

    I got some 1/2 steel stock from Lowes. Unfortunately it's way thicker than I wanted but it's what they had. The result are VERY sturdy brackets that took a really long time to make haha. I will still need to order some 1/2 inch stock for mounting tabs and brackets that don't need to be quite so crazy strong, but it's nice to know I can run out and get some.

    Next is a bunch of software stuff. Light shows, bug fixes, hopefully some new features. I might do a coding stream because some of you mentioned you would like to see that. I'll do a gameplay stream for sure. Maybe I can set that up for tomorrow night.

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    #878 5 days ago

    So cool Ryan - can't wait to see the stream!

    #879 5 days ago

    Cool idea with the lightstrips on the side

    #880 5 days ago

    Alright McSquid I'm curious: What are your conditions for selling or licensing this design to a manufacturer? For example, if Stern made it but wanted to take the sign post and light strips off the Pro, would you be cool with that? Or is it take it or leave it? I know you probably can't say too much, but a window into that process seems fascinating.

    #881 5 days ago
    Quoted from onemilemore:

    Alright McSquid I'm curious: What are your conditions for selling or licensing this design to a manufacturer? For example, if Stern made it but wanted to take the sign post and light strips off the Pro, would you be cool with that? Or is it take it or leave it? I know you probably can't say too much, but a window into that process seems fascinating.

    this game will need some added toys / ramps to be an stern LE.
    maybe cut the light strips and make them an add on for the pro.

    #882 4 days ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    this game will need some added toys / ramps to be an stern LE.
    maybe cut the light strips and make them an add on for the pro.

    If I were to add on to a premium version of the game id go with a supercharger on the left ramp, as well as a few other things im not quite ready to reveal in case they work and are awesome

    #883 4 days ago

    Sorry I can't find this searching through the thread but I am curious...what lights did you use for the light rails?

    #884 4 days ago
    Quoted from McSquid:

    If I were to add on to a premium version of the game id go with a supercharger on the left ramp, as well as a few other things im not quite ready to reveal in case they work and are awesome

    Oh yeah something like the HS2 supercharger but with the sound FX of Sonic charging up his spin, that's a perfect thematic fit!

    #885 3 days ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    Sorry I can't find this searching through the thread but I am curious...what lights did you use for the light rails?

    https://www.adafruit.com/product/2842?length=2

    #886 2 days ago

    I saw the previous posts about the flippers on the art and was wondering if you had considered maybe swapping the Chaos emeralds and the art so that the actual flippers are where the art ones are?

    Probably a wiring nightmare now but it was a thought I had. I still wanna by the V1 robotnik egg timer :p

    #887 1 day ago

    New spin dash lights and speed gauge are coded and working!

    I'm going to be tweaking the spindash light shows but this gets the point across.

    The speed gauge came out exactly as I hoped it would. I'm so happy with it. I ended up needing a light baffle to avoid oversaturating the insert. It didn't look like a bar at all, just sort of changed color and brightness. I designed and printed one in black but it was way too much blocking. I could see it from above, it didn't line up, etc. So I made another out of clear, and tweaked the design. That one didn't block enough light. Finally I printed the second design in black and the results were perfect. Thanks Goldilocks.

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    #888 16 hours ago

    More high scores at last!

    If I think of anything particularly clever for spindash ill change it. Dizzy is the best i can come up with and i dont like it enough.

    Each of the icons that is supposed to actually tell you something about the award us animated slightly. It greatly entertains me. I'll worry about proper explanations for them later. time crunch and all that.

    Perhaps more exciting to me is analytics. After my day of play testing I found out I could easily add to the audits the game naturally keeps track of. Tonight I went nuts telling the game to keep track of tons more. Can't wait for an entire weekend full of data!

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