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Sonic Pinball Club. Si?!


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#101 2 years ago
Quoted from newmantjn:

I had to remake mine last week. I made the area where it broke slightly thicker and I used Lexan, so it is bulletproof.

Did you make that by hand or with a computer?

#102 2 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Did you make that by hand or with a computer?

Traced it with the sharpie, cut it out with a band saw and smoothed it with a sanding drum mounted to a drill press. MAYBE 20 minutes of work.

#103 2 years ago

Sent the Prospector through sea trials last night. The flipper rebuild is on hold, due to lack of parts. I should get those today. Here is what I found, just pushing the ball around with my hand.:

1. 100s relay locks on in player one only. - Typically, this is due to a faulty EOS switch on the score reel. Not the case here. Further investigation showed that the player unit snowshoe was hung up for player one 100s scoring. This would not send the signal to the score reel, so it would never score. Therefor the EOS switch would never open. Corrected.

2. Short/Blown fuse on GI lighting. - I was quite afraid this would derail my efforts to get the game done for the show, but I was lucky to find the short. I installed one of those breaker things. Then I carefully inspected the sockets and wiring. I found a couple areas I felt were suspect, so I corrected those and the GI stayed on. THEN.....I started a game and it went out!! Damn, Damn, Damn. So, now my clue was: Lights that only come on when a game is started. I looked at those sockets in particular and discovered that a few had corners that looked like they had been purposely bent to tighten up the back end of the socket. It looked like in some instances it was perilously close to making a ground - supply short. I bent a half dozen or so of these back and it resolved the issue. Corrected.

3. Sluggish ejectors - There are several and they all sort of half halfheartedly ejected the ball. Cleaned up the plungers, installed new coil sleeves and lubed the metal/metal pivot point with teflon superlube light oil and all is well. Corrected.

Also did some cosmetic work etc., The game is looking and playing good.

#104 2 years ago

The third Sonic for the collection...

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#105 2 years ago

Picked up this Mars Trek at a garage sale this weekend its an HUO. Spent all weekend cleaning it up and shopping it out. The thing must have not been played for a long time Almost Every damn light bulb was out

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#106 2 years ago

where do you guys find these? beauty huo Mars Trek there.

#107 2 years ago

Hey all honesty I had never seen or heard of a Sonic Pinball Machine until Friday. This was a weekend of education for me! I have had a lot of fun just researching these Sonic games and to find out that they are Sega, wow! Im a WPC guy! I went to the garage sale after a Stern Stars that was there. I ended up leaving with both games. The Stars wasn't as nice as the Mars Trek but it was decent! I had clean off an inch worth cigarette tar from both machines but boy did they shine up nice! I cant believe the condition of the Mars Trek. I have never seen any pinball machine that clean and unused. I think there was a handful of pin pricks on the cabinet that's it.

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#108 2 years ago
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:

You have a switch on the Playfield gaped to close and the vibration is setting it off. See what it scores next time it does it and that will give you a lead on what switch it is.

Found and solved the scoring issue. Decided to dig into it last night and found that it was scoring as soon as the reset bank was reset. There are no switches on the playfield that score 10000 unless other shots are hit first. When I got home today I removed the fuse for the reset bank and no score when ball reached the shooter lane. Checked all the switch gaps and they all seemed good. Then I noticed that som of the leafs would touch the reset mech when it reset. Loosened, slightly moved and re tightened the stacks and issue resolved.

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Fixed the light sockets while I was in there as well. Finally all working.

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#109 2 years ago

Starting to clean up Butterfly. What a crazy theme..

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#110 2 years ago

I just picked this one up. Not sure if I am selling or going to fix it up. All of the wood needs to be redone. But amazingly it cuts on and plays. Needs some electrical work. Only thing I am missing besides all new wood is the back glass. I was shocked the play field is in awesome condition!

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#111 1 year ago

I stumbled onto this Craiglist ad and thought a Sonic fan might be interested.

The color on the play field puzzled me. Doing a Pinside search shows that Williams made a Triple Action. The search also shows that Sonic made a Triple Action. The Williams play field is blue in color. The play field on this Triple Action is white in color. Pinside search does not show the Sonic Triple Action play field so I can only assume it is white like the picture.

A Google search only shows the blue Williams play field. My thinking is that this is a fairly rare Sonic pin as I can find no pictures anywhere.

Located somewhere near Flagstaff AZ.

stgeorge.craigslist.org link

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#112 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I stumbled onto this Craiglist ad and thought a Sonic fan might be interested.
The color on the play field puzzled me. Doing a Pinside search shows that Williams made a Triple Action. The search also shows that Sonic made a Triple Action. The Williams play field is blue in color. The play field on this Triple Action is white in color. Pinside search does not show the Sonic Triple Action play field so I can only assume it is white like the picture.
A Google search only shows the blue Williams play field. My thinking is that this is a fairly rare Sonic pin as I can find no pictures anywhere.
Located somewhere near Flagstaff AZ.
stgeorge.craigslist.org link

Great eyes on that but I am thinking it isn't a Sonic. Note the Williams coin door. Also the picture on Ipdb shows a similar blue playfield.

http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2649&picno=12033

It is odd if you zoom in the beer picture on the playfield.

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#113 1 year ago

There is a Segasa Triple Action but it seems to have the same playfield colors. This is odd. Too bad there aren't more photos of the playfield.

http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2649

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#114 1 year ago

A friend of mine sent me yesterday this picture... a Third World by Sonic. Nothing on ipdb or web.

Anyone interested?

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#115 1 year ago
Quoted from Theonlylilo:

A friend of mine sent me yesterday this picture... a Third World by Sonic. Nothing on ipdb or web.
Anyone interested?

Super cool game. I wish this was in the states so I could get a crack at fixing it even though all these early solid state games Europe are a nightmare to work on

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#116 1 year ago

Anyone have a fuse list they can share with me for Sonic. I believe my player 1, 100s score reel locked on and shorted out and is causing a fuse to blow on start of a game now. I was a genius and left the fuse in the coinbox. I was hoping to grab a new one on the way home from work and save a bit of driving to the location first.

#117 1 year ago
Quoted from Tsskinne:

Anyone have a fuse list they can share with me for Sonic. I believe my player 1, 100s score reel locked on and shorted out and is causing a fuse to blow on start of a game now. I was a genius and left the fuse in the coinbox. I was hoping to grab a new one on the way home from work and save a bit of driving to the location first.

These are the 4 in my Butterfly

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#118 1 year ago

Thank you, those match up with mine.

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#119 1 year ago

Can anyone that owns a Faces please snap a picture of how the flippers are wired? Im working on a friends and this is what i am looking at.

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#120 1 year ago
Quoted from Lysurgeon:

Can anyone that owns a Faces please snap a picture of how the flippers are wired? Im working on a friends and this is what i am looking at.
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I know someone has this game...

#121 1 year ago

Just joined the club with a Mars Trek I rescued from a little old lady's basement. Game cabinet has some rough moisture damage and rust.

#122 1 year ago
Quoted from Lysurgeon:

I know someone has this game...

Looks like someone tried to hotrod the flippers with a bridge rectifier and something else.

#123 1 year ago
Quoted from bonzo71:

Looks like someone tried to hotrod the flippers with a bridge rectifier and something else.

Maybe a cap to reduce arcing?

#124 1 year ago
Quoted from Lysurgeon:

Can anyone that owns a Faces please snap a picture of how the flippers are wired? Im working on a friends and this is what i am looking at.

I'm gonna assume it's very similar to how prospector is wired. It has a bridge to convert the AC to DC for the flippers, then it also has a capacitor likely to prevent arching at the eos switches.
I'll snap a pic for you tonight.

#125 1 year ago
Quoted from brenna98:

I'm gonna assume it's very similar to how prospector is wired. It has a bridge to convert the AC to DC for the flippers, then it also has a capacitor likely to prevent arching at the eos switches.
I'll snap a pic for you tonight.

Prospector shouldn't be wired like that either. It has AC flippers.

#126 1 year ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Prospector shouldn't be wired like that either. It has AC flippers.

My mistake. Looks like the pop bumpers and slings are DC.

Here are the pics. Hope it helps.

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#127 7 months ago

what flipper rebuild kit will work on '76 Sonic Faces ???

#128 7 months ago

A Williams kit for like year. The Pinball Resource has them, send your order by e-mail and list the machine.

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#129 6 months ago

Just joined the club!

Just picked this up - 99% working ! Cabinet is in great shape, very clean.

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#130 6 months ago

Super rare. Nice pickup!

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#131 6 months ago

Here's one you don't see everyday. Looks like it needs some love but very cool.
Sonic Joker's Wild $850

decatur.craigslist.org link

#132 6 months ago

First one of those I've seen. Looks cool, too bad it's so far away

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#133 70 days ago

I've been working on creating a new set of score and instruction cards for Sonic - Night Fever.
There was only one score card to begin with.
It was a double sided card with three score levels on one side and two levels on the other side.
As I searched my database I found some more cards to add.
They all begin with the number 16A-9638-...
Now I'm building a list of cards and I have some gaps in my listing.
Can anyone help me fill in the gaps?
Perhaps even some picture for me?

Peter
http://www.inkochnito.nl

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#134 70 days ago

Seen at a pinball show in Nantes France back in 2017, a Bird Man Sonic 1 player not even referenced on IPDB.
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#135 69 days ago

ok - this is a bit of a shot in the dark' but does anyone have a scan of the manual or schematic of Butterfly? there is nothing on IPDB and I stumbled on an absolutely stunning example of the game, except some putz needed to take the head off and fully hacked the wire bundle in half. I have about 80% wired back in place and the game will play, but there are around 20 or so wires that have duplicates in color and serve wildly different uses (ex - blue/yellow is both credit mech and controlled backbox lamp ground return!)

#136 69 days ago
Quoted from statictrance:

ok - this is a bit of a shot in the dark' but does anyone have a scan of the manual or schematic of Butterfly? there is nothing on IPDB and I stumbled on an absolutely stunning example of the game, except some putz needed to take the head off and fully hacked the wire bundle in half. I have about 80% wired back in place and the game will play, but there are around 20 or so wires that have duplicates in color and serve wildly different uses (ex - blue/yellow is both credit mech and controlled backbox lamp ground return!)

Here is link to a Butterfly Schematic. Please do NOT download the installer.. just download the file.
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=2110617

#137 68 days ago

I've found some more info on the score inserts.
Here is the updated list.
The grey scores are a deduction from the other inserts and are not confirmed.
If you can find some more inserts, please let me know.

Peter
http://www.inkochnito.nl

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#138 31 days ago

So I picked up a prospector in working
Condition and like all the threads I read ..great backglass..great Playfield but crapola
Cabinet. The Bottom of the sides are all flaky and the neck and support platform were weak and spongy feeling. So I removed the neck and and support board and will replace them but I'm stumped on the bottom cabinet sides. Would some light duty angle iron be a good solution to help stabilize this cabinet?

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#139 30 days ago

Looking to add a 6th pin to my herd. This one is a 15 minute drive. Says it’s been in storage but is in excellent condition. If it were in excellent condition (big if, playfield pic not clear) and nothing majorly wrong with gameplay, I’m guessing $850 is a fair price for this beauty. I’m probably going to see if I can stop by soon and play it if it’s still there. It’s been listed for almost 3 weeks.

louisville.craigslist.org link

#140 30 days ago
Quoted from Sea_Wolf:

Looking to add a 6th pin to my herd. This one is a 15 minute drive. Says it’s been in storage but is in excellent condition. If it were in excellent condition (big if, playfield pic not clear) and nothing majorly wrong with gameplay, I’m guessing $850 is a fair price for this beauty. I’m probably going to see if I can stop by soon and play it if it’s still there. It’s been listed for almost 3 weeks.
louisville.craigslist.org link

I sold a real nice CB a couple of years ago for $400.00. This one has been for sale for 18 days. You might try to make an offer. Sonic pins usually have vey nice play fields and back glasses. They just don't seem to turn to trash like U.S. pins. Pay attention to the cabinet. It is made of particle board, bon't turn up your nose about the cab material.

If the cabinet has never gotten wet it will be solid as a rock. They do not warp.
Water is death to them but a plywood cab does not like water, either.

#141 30 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I sold a real nice CB a couple of years ago for $400.00. This one has been for sale for 18 days. You might try to make an offer. Sonic pins usually have vey nice play fields and back glasses. They just don't seem to turn to trash like U.S. pins. Pay attention to the cabinet. It is made of particle board, bon't turn up your nose about the cab material.
If the cabinet has never gotten wet it will be solid as a rock. They do not warp.
Water is death to them but a plywood cab does not like water, either.

Thanks. I reached out to them and asked about any flaws in the gameplay and they uttered something about some circuits that might need a little cleaning, ha ha. Then they mentioned again that they were firm on the $850. I may go see if they’ll let me play a few games on it but it’s probably going to be a pass. If I do go, I’ll check out the cabinet condition for sure.

#142 30 days ago

Dont know if it was already mentioned but I love sonic. They were unpopular thus they are usually in great original shape. Can't say that about Gottlieb.
They got a quality clearcoat and those strong Williams flippers. Especially when you swap the transformer tap!
It they didn't have all Williams parts it would be a pass tho.
Only other thing is the cabs are trash!

#143 27 days ago

Some more work on this cabinet. Used my hf Japanese saw and trim all that flaky particle board on the bottom to get a cleaner edge. Had Some cherry wood left over from building a coffee table. Planed it down to make a new flat bottom frame to solidify and make transport worry free.
Also used some more wood filler and then mixed up some fiberglass resin with wood flour and scratch coated the bottom back and corners. Color matched this cream paint and I'll paint all the new wood and filled voids. The Bottom really looks better already. That flaky particle board was bugging the he'll ouyt of me.

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#144 26 days ago

Hope this isn't too boring. Got some more work done on cab today. Clamped new neck and support board in and with wife's minimal assistance for 10 mins I marked for threaded inserts and drilled and inserted. On to gluing and clamping it back in with some 1 1/2 16 nails for good measure. Filled in some more minor voids with filler. Came back from go in out to eat and sanded entire back and both bottom corners and then paint. First time using the fiberglass resin and didnt get enough to get a smooth finish but I do know this back and neck are strong again.

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#145 26 days ago

I'm enjoy the cabinet repair. The bottom front on my Butterfly is is chipped. Each time I move the game, a bit more falls off. I like the idea of a hard wood replacement bottom section. Nice job saving this classic!

#146 26 days ago
Quoted from lowbeau67:

Hope this isn't too boring. Got some more work done on cab today. Clamped new neck and support board in and with wife's minimal assistance for 10 mins I marked for threaded inserts and drilled and inserted. On to gluing and clamping it back in with some 1 1/2 16 nails for good measure. Filled in some more minor voids with filler. Came back from go in out to eat and sanded entire back and both bottom corners and then paint. First time using the fiberglass resin and didnt get enough to get a smooth finish but I do know this back and neck are strong again.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Not boring at all. It is always nice to see how everybody makes figures out their solutions and makes repairs.

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#147 15 days ago

Hey - just wanted to say thank you for the Butterfly schematics. It took awhile between work, kids, and other repairs/repair work for others - but here's another Sonic saved via complete body to head reattachment!

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#148 14 days ago
Quoted from statictrance:

Hey - just wanted to say thank you for the Butterfly schematics. It took awhile between work, kids, and other repairs/repair work for others - but here's another Sonic saved via complete body to head reattachment![quoted image][quoted image]

I appreciate the headaches you had to work thru to make this repair. But I have to ask, is that electrician's tape wrapped around the splices? I'm looking for shrink-wrap around the splices and do not see any.

#149 14 days ago

It's electrical tape - I didn't want to shrink wrap them as I went in case I had to undo/redo any of the splices. Especially when I got to the 13 or so different pairs of wires that were the exact same color, but totally different function. (IE - Blue/Yellow goes to the controlled player lights and a switch on the player select stepper).

It's ugly and there's a better than average chance I go back and wrap them eventually - but it works and I was too excited to wait on wrapping to show the progress.

#150 14 days ago
Quoted from statictrance:

It's electrical tape - I didn't want to shrink wrap them as I went in case I had to undo/redo any of the splices. Especially when I got to the 13 or so different pairs of wires that were the exact same color, but totally different function. (IE - Blue/Yellow goes to the controlled player lights and a switch on the player select stepper).
It's ugly and there's a better than average chance I go back and wrap them eventually - but it works and I was too excited to wait on wrapping to show the progress.

OK. I see. Nothing permanent until all the kinks are worked out. That's good thinking.

I applaud your efforts. Having to splice wires that were not cut in a staggered sequence is a pain and will look like a snake swallowed a rabbit.

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