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Sonic Mars Trek help needed

By Bonk

2 years ago


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#6 2 years ago
Quoted from Bonk:

the start button will not start a game

If pressing the Credit button doesn't activate the Credit relay,
Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-big-shot-repair#post-6305153
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
Example of a pinsider actually doing this https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/red-baron-tech-question#post-5858156

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#10 2 years ago
Quoted from Bonk:

Got the jumper wires. I read all the links you sent but it's still a bit confusing to me. Am I jumping the credit button to the credit relay, where you've written in red on the schematic? I went ahead and tried that with one clip on the white/orange wire lug of the credit button to the black wire on the credit relay coil. I have a feeling I'm reading it wrong as that didn't have any effect.

There are 5 switches in the circuit I posted. Do you see them? Any one (or less likely more than one) could be at fault.

The simplest (but not 100% reliable) way to find out which switch is at fault is to jumper over them one at a time and test.

In case there's more than one switch (or solder joint etc) at fault, it's more thorough to jumper over them in combinations, starting at the Yellow wire on the transformer.

#12 2 years ago
Quoted from Bonk:

I'll start by visually inspecting each switch in the circuit to see if there's anything that could be causing an issue

For a switch to work 3 things are necessary:
1) When open, there should be a small space between the contact points (duh)
2) When closing, the long blade's contact point should push the short blade's contact point enough to move the short blade
3) The contact points should be clean, which they usually will be if #2 is happening

#14 2 years ago
Quoted from Bonk:

I was able to jump the reset relay to the credit button and

You didn't say which wires you jumped from and to.

Let's start by guessing that maybe the problem is to the left of the Credit button on the schematic, namely in the Reset relay switch or the Motor switch labelled IND-A. Do you see those switches on the schematic I posted?
The next step is to test our theory. We do that by running a jumper from the yellow wire on the Reset relay switch that has a Blue-Yellow wire on its other terminal to the White-Gray wire on the Credit button. Do you see how that eliminates the Reset relay switch and the Motor switch from the circuit?
Now press the Credit button. If the Credit button now works, then our theory is correct and we've narrowed down the problem to the part of the circuit left of the credit button.
If the Credit button now still doesn't work, what does that mean in terms of where the problem might be?

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#20 2 years ago

If the Right Eject coil doesn't activate, there are several possible causes, but the first one to look at is
Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-big-shot-repair#post-6305153
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
Example of a pinsider actually doing this https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/red-baron-tech-question#post-5858156

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#22 2 years ago
Quoted from Bonk:

Does this indicate an issue with the relay that was jumped?

Yes, check the Aux R. Eject relay switch: For a switch to work 3 things are necessary:

1) When open, there should be a small space between the contact points (duh)
2) When closing, the long blade's contact point should push the short blade's contact point enough to move the short blade
3) The contact points should be clean, which they usually will be if #2 is happening

#24 2 years ago

Check wire colors to find the switch on the Auxiliary Right Eject relay.

#26 2 years ago

I don't know. Check the wire colors.

#32 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballdaveh:

The aux R. Eject relay needs to be watched during the saucer scoring sequence.

Quoted from pinballdaveh:

Posting a snippet of the schematic of this relay coil and it’s hold in circuit would help.

From https://www.ipdb.org/files/1550/Sonic_1977_Mars_Trek_Schematic_Diagram_continuous.pdf
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