Medieval Madness
Williams, 1997
Star Trek (Pro)
Stern, 2013I will wait to make a final decision until I hear about Stern's presentation tonight, but I am having a hard time justifying buying both. There must be a lot of other people in this position. I'd be interested to hear what you think.
Quoted from DCFAN:Start a poll.
Right. Done.
From a player's standpoint: MM
MM is a tried and true machine. It's stood the test of time, and it's renowned as one of the most fun machines from both novice and skilled players. You can buy a ST premium and still get the same game play that the LE would offer. Heck, even the pro doesn't look that watered down from an actual player's standpoint. So buying an LE SOLELY TO PLAY ST is not truly a necessity. You could wait and buy a premium if you decide you like the game play. So from a player's standpoint I would say the MM on this category.
From an investment/collection standpoint: Toss up
Who knows! MM might continue to be reproduced, just not in the LE format. The Stern LE's are always a gamble. They could be more sought after, less sought after or equivalently sought after to their premium/pro counterparts. Some of the eccentricities of the machine turn out to be more of a burden than a blessing. Tron LE and the ACDC LE's are worth considerably more, but any other LE you'd probably have been better off buying the pro version as far as percentage lost in resale value.
Personally, just play what you like! Think to yourself, "If these useless wooden toys become worthless overnight, which one(s) will I be happiest with?" Because in the end, that's all pinball really is!
Quoted from zr11990:Sterns are inferior.
I'm definitely not a Stern fan, but we haven't see the MM remake yet to judge the quality yet.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:I'm definitely not a Stern fan, but we haven't see the MM remake yet to judge the quality yet.
This is being made by Rick AKA planetary pinball. It will be quality and it will be righteous.
STLE looks amazing to me! But Medieval Madness is a classic, and I think there is something about widebody Williams pins that Stern has just never matched.
From a technology standpoint, if anything the remade MM looks to be AHEAD of STLE!
Anyway, it's a toss up to me. I'd take either one, please, thank you!
Quoted from cmproductions:both....nuff said
ce n'est pas possible... 
Quoted from pezpunk:widebody Williams pins
Not sure if you were referring to MM, but it is standard width.
I think I will cancel my STLE order and get the ST pro and a MMR.
Please jump back into this thread after you've heard what Stern has to say tonight. I am overseas and will have to pick up the news from that event tomorrow morning. I am quite sincere about wanting to solicit opinions, but I do think I am going to have to choose. This is just getting too expensive.
Quoted from Craig:I am quite sincere about wanting to solicit opinions, but I do think I am going to have to choose. This is just getting too expensive.
I agree! Hopefully company's will still make Pinball machines in the 5k range in the future. With all these pins selling in the 8k range from different pinball company's (big or small) I just wonder if soon all NIBs will be in that range. I bought an Tron Pro NIB and love it and don't get me wrong the MM remake machine and the STLE look badass and all, but that's just out of my price range for a pin.
Quoted from pezpunk:one of these two will have completed code straight out of the box....
Ha. Awesome! 
Quoted from pezpunk:one of these two will have completed code straight out of the box....
Yeah, maybe Stern will learn a lesson here...
Quoted from QuarterGrabber:I think I will cancel my STLE order and get the ST pro and a MMR.
not a bad idea, the pro is not that bad (le is all about lights) plus you get a classic.
Quoted from kvan99:Yeah, maybe Stern will learn a lesson here...
hope so but i doubt it, stern likes to make people waiting.
Should be an interesting atmosphere at the Stern party tonight - everyone in the pinball world will be buzzing about this.
stern must be freaking out right now, people putting their money on MM, 1000+ pins sold but not theirs.
Quoted from beatmaster:stern must be freaking out right now, people putting their money on MM, 1000+ pins sold but not theirs.
I would think not. STLE is a very nice looking game. None of the compliments about it in all the posts last night are untrue today. They are doing well and hiring new designers in the last few years. Pinball is making a modest comeback and they are cranking out 2-3 games a year. I am very happy about my STLE purchase.
Quoted from zr11990:Sterns are inferior.
I used to believe that. Now I am about 50/50 Sterns VS others. Sold 40+ other games believing that as well. It's all personal preference , so I kindly disagree with your statement.
Easy choice for me obviously since I already own MM. I'd probably go for the MMR if I didn't already own it over STLE, mostly because I would know exactly what I was getting and wouldn't have to hope and wait for the code to be done right.
Quoted from zr11990:Sterns are inferior.
So is your intelligence.
Quoted from kvan99:Yeah, maybe Stern will learn a lesson here...
If you really believe that...well, let's just say don't hold your breath.
Quoted from Banker:I used to believe that.
Agreed. This isn't about quality but preference. If I do cancel the order, at least I know one person who will have one I might play (wink, wink)!
Quoted from vid1900:Stern and JJP can't complain.
They were offered the remake and they said they were not interested.
WOW. Really? Great job there. ouchies. 
Quoted from pzy:Did you get one, underlord?!
I emailed Jen @ pinballsales... they have my cc on file...fingers crossed. I do have an invoice, but I'm high up in the numbers. As soon as I got home from work I jumped on this! 
When you coming up to play version 1.21 on WOZ? Or is it gonna be version 2.0??
Quoted from underlord:I emailed Jen @ pinballsales... they have my cc on file...fingers crossed. I do have an invoice, but I'm high up in the numbers. As soon as I got home from work I jumped on this!
When you coming up to play version 1.21 on WOZ? Or is it gonna be version 2.0??
I think you'll be alright, but not one of the first to take delivery like you were for WoZ! Just give me your CC info for the next time something like this happens, I was watching the expo feed 
I should come up sometime soon, is the software noticeably different?
Haven't the majority of you played a MM before, I owned one and it was a great pin but eventually I got bored of it and wanted something new. I understand the collector mentality as I tried and got to nearly thirty pins but most of them sat there while the biggest thrill was the latest purchase and fixing it up, playing a new game. StarTrek Le for me 100%....................PEACE
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