To your first point.....I wouldn't know

BUT!!!!

To your second point!!.....I wouldn't know either

I'll keep driving my 69 Chevy CST10 so every other vehicle I drive feels like a Ferrari by comparison.

I have had a little of each of the big three manufacturer's Late 60's to late 70's EM pins. Of the three, I like the Gottlieb games if for no other reason, the sound.

To me, the Williams schematics and documentation is more thorough than the other two.

I like the Bally switch stacks on the motors and reset banks with the plastic ladder type spacer. Seems more robust than the barrel type spacers between switches in Williams and Gottlieb switch stacks.

The games all were/are fun to play, but I lean toward Gottlieb Wedge Heads for some reason, then Bally, then Williams. I have owned none of the other brands but I'm very open to it. The opportunity just hasn't been there yet.

Imagine how clean your windshield would be if we were talking about Humpty Dumpty!

No, but what a pain to move things around for service! I vote you send your extra games to me. I will store and maintain them for free!

Good to know!

congrats! Get ready for a whole new level of pinball addiction!!

Maybe you'll get lucky and the schematics and manual will come with the game. Learning schematics makes EM repair so much easier.

There seems to be a huge shortage here on the Missouri River Coast!! Unless you think an Old Chicago is worth $2600......at a pawn shop.

My health isn't that fun to play with.

Just sayin'

Some of us are more talented than others, I guess....

ebay.com link: Gottlieb Centigrade 37 1971 pinball machine

Um.........

O-din. Play some more C-37. I think it deserves another try. I find it very challenging and fun. But then, so is tossing popcorn up in the air and catching it in my mouth. Maybe I am too easily entertained?

I'd sell mine in a heartbeat for $2k and it is in MUCH better condition than the one on that auction.

That looks like a fun game! The seller obviously has not done his homework, stating that the game was made in the 50's. That and the price he is asking......WAIT A MINUTE!!!!! I didn't notice all the character added to the side rails!. Nevermind, I'd pay $3000 without a second thought....."SLAP" Nevermind again, wife asked me not to buy it.

Classy move, but I didn't think what you posted was too harsh. Much less crappy than the seller taking advantage of some gullible buyer at that price. That's scumbaggy if you ask me. (spell check doesn't like scumbaggy but I'm pretty sure it's a real word)

It does look like a fun game though. If it were working of course. I like how it seems to be a combination of pinball and pitch-and-bat. I think I'll keep my eyes open for this title.

I wonder why the odd start price? Only a six hour round trip for me. I think I better not though. I just passed my budget with ACD on Sunday. I need to sell a couple now. Golden arrow and Black Knight will be up for sale soon. Started shopping GA tonight. It is a lot nicer than I originally thought. Should turn out very nice. BK after that.

Like the new avatar o-din. "I Know Nusink!"

That Joker Poker looks a little rougher than yours. For 2k I think I'll pass!

I think your spellcheck missed something!

Missed you Ken.

NO PINBALL TILL SPRING!!!!!!

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I had already started the adoption paperwork and now I find out you would prefer to be brother to a couple of steelers??!! I'm hurt Chris. Very hurt.

That's not what I heard!

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New neighbors!!!

Just listened to the interview Clay Harrel did with Wayne Neyens. Wayne said Paul Bunyan was the worst game he ever designed. It is what drove his decision to quit designing. I bet he would like to see that there are some fans of even his self proclaimed worst work.

The title does mislead a bit, but the description of the item for sale is pretty clear.

Well, not all of us can be so cool!

Weren't sonics built with mostly Williams parts?

I have played one locally and just like Ken said, the playfield overlay was a problem. Puckered up so badly that the ball would get hung up in a couple of the rollover lanes. Very frustrating as you would have to practically tilt the game to release the ball. Also really didnt like the score reels' silence! It really made me want an original instead.

My eyes are on it too!!! Thanks ken!

Chris, if you get it, I'm moving in next door. I'll bring my C-37 with and we can just trade games for a while.

I won't bid you up Chris, but I am gonna bid on it. Not sure how eBay disguises the usernames in the bidding section but if it is first initial***********last initial then mine will look like this d******1

Nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

ebay.com link: ebay.com

Looks nice. Perfect backglass.

Are you foreshadowing Sterns next pin?

The Waterhorse?

Ahhhhh!!! So you think Stern is going to do a remake of Surfer or Surf Champ? Now I get it!

What, no internet in Maine? Welcome back!

Not that nice!

Very short drive for me, but the price knocks me out of the running.

Other than two players vs four, what is the difference between an EM Sinbad and EM Eye of The Tiger?

Ah. Clear now. Thanks.

$1275 and reserve is not met.

I bet it was an ash try or cup holder or something like that.

Welcome back Chris! Now that I know you like to disappear for random amounts of time, I didn't worry so much. I do notice when you are gone though.

You are going to forget how it came apart if you let it go much longer.

I have a Paragon with random "burn" holes inthe cabinet. Probably cigarette, but some look more like someone got bored with a soldering iron and decided to see how long it would take to push a hole through the cabinet.

Glad you have wandered back. Hope you didn't bring home any fleas!

I'd say "that's why I'm a dog person" but who knows what that would start???

O-din that sucks! Good luck, I know the sick feeling you must have! My wife just spent half of yesterday trying to track down a missing debit card. It was in my pocket the whole time. Oooops!

She was less than happy with me.......

What are you buying from him Rat?

It is a pretty elite club full of people much better than anyone else. Do you think you will fit in? I know I do!!

Get me that Fireball o-din!!

Fair Enough! Even cooler actually because I have some friends from Germany visiting this summer. LETS GET THIS DONE!

Definitely not worth the $2100+ Buy It Now.

What do you guys think a realistic price is for that game in that condition? $500?

Guess I won't be getting me a Buckaroo!

Guess I might be getting me a Buckaroo!!

This exchange is very interesting to me. I know rating condition is pretty subjective, but I would think we are all pretty close in our judgement on things like this. My problem is, I don't know where to start. I thought the same thing when I saw that auction and the sellers additional remarks. I thought his rating was way too high based on the pictures he posted. However, I am not sure how I would rate it myself. I'd love to feel confident in my ratings so I can give an honest description to a potential buyer when I list a game of mine. If I started a thread showing pictures of a game and soliciting pinsider ratings based on those pics, would you participate/contribute? I think it could become a great resource for us all. We could build a picture catalog representing games at all condition levels and discuss how we would rate them. Maybe there is something else like it out there, but I haven't found it. A picture guide to proper condition ratings. Playfields, backglasses, cabinets, mechs, etc...

Waddya think?

cool! I have lots of pics of a pretty bad Sweet Sioux. I'll start a thread with those!

Picture Guide to Condition Ratings (Your Input Please!)

^^^^^^ Hows that for a title?

Ill start it up soon. This will be a great educational experience for me. I can fix them and clean them up real shiny, but I feel like a complete noob when it comes to judging condition. I know what I like and am willing to tackle but that does not necessarily paint an accurate picture for someone else.

I love all the discussion already about the Rating Guide.

I have started a new thread. Lets move this discussion over there. Please help make this the useful tool I hope it can be!

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/picture-guide-to-condition-ratings-your-input-please#post-1362578

I'm watching that auction too (at $325 now). The flaking in the girls legs on the BG means that her flesh tones are probably flaking too. You can see some evidence of it in the BG photo. The other girl has some flaking in her legs too but not as severe.

There are three pics that show the playfield wear in the center. One directly and the two showing paperwork. I thought it was a smudge on the glass until I looked at it in the other photos. They are all from different angles, but the "smudge" shows up in the exact same place. There is definite playfield wear and a lot more than I would be happy with. There is also wear below the center pop bumper. The cabinet paint looks nice though. Very bright yellows and purples.

Given the well done grey "touch-up" I would give this backglass a solid .5!

Maybe

I haven't seen the Sing Along partout on eBay but I see this kind of thing all the time with Early SS games. And usually the prices are ridiculous and the descriptions are poor.

This eBay seller pisses me off....He puts stuff like this up all the time.

ebay.com link: black knight 2000 williams pinball TOP PLAYFLIED PART plastic 61 16

Good Luck!

Arghhh!!!! I would jump on that in a heartbeat if it weren't 1000+ miles from me. 250 miles one way is my limit.

Definitely closer to you Garret

"This is probably the only one left on the planet earth!"

We should all pool our funds and invest in this machine! Better investment than gold!!

Notice the rust pitting on the lockdown receiver? I did.

Where is it? I can't tell from the auction.

I would love to get that! 4-player Klondike! The drive kills it for me.

I can't tell you much about value, but condition looks very good! The flipper coils are replacements. The rest of the game looks original but I think there may be some paint touchup on the front panel of the head. The playfield looks great but I question the led(s) in the three lower inserts. They are a pain to get to however, so I guess I can see that as a good excuse. The backglass looks really nice only a couple obvious flaws.

If the game plays at all like the one I am restoring, it is a blast! I never thought I would enjoy a game from this era as much as I do. I really like the challenge of gameplay on this one. Lots of fun!

Wow. What a long time in the hospital. Hope you are back to 100% now.

Would you like me to get in touch with her again? Do you still want to go forward with that project?