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Quoted from ccotenj:you can squeeze another one into your closet...
The Atlantis may be leaving the closet today headed for the York Show..........but I'm not interested in that title to take it's place - has to be special like Atlantis.........maybe Abra, Slick Chick, C-37
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Quoted from o-din:Thanks! I was thinking $200 at most. On the other end of the spectrum, we have this-
Ebay link
King of Diamonds is a classic 60's GTB wedgehead. This game has it all - artwork, roto target, playfield layout, backglass animation, gameplay. That's why Herb Silvers made his own run of 100............ Even though the game is nice looking, I wouldn't pay near what he has for his buy it now though, especially since it needs a new backglass to go with the rest of the game.
Dave:
I'm the seller of the KOD. I was at your shop at midnight with some friends over a year ago picking up a Gottlieb 2001.
Do you really think the backglass of my machine needs to be replaced? It is the original and I think it is an 8 into an scale of 0 to 10.
About the price, it was listed with the option to hear reasonable offers. Unfortunately, Ebay takes approx. 10% of the final price plus the cost of shipping that need to be traceable online and shipped to the address of the buyer because of the rules of Paypal. I can sell this machine out of Ebay for a lower price to be picked up at any PILOT terminal if it is paid with a Money Order or a Cashiers Check. Pickup in person,of course, will be the best and cheaper option.
Another question: what do you think about the final price and the condition of this other KING OF DIAMONDS that was sold recently on Ebay?: http://tinyurl.com/o4koemc
Robert Urbanowicz
Sorry for the long post........
Hi Robert,
I hope you got your 2001 restored and you're been enjoying it.
To answer your question, you can ask anything you want for your game 
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I only wanted to say that I wouldn't pay that much for a KOD because I'm cheap but that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. Your restoration came out very nice. That's why I suggested a repro backglass. Sometimes a new backglass on a game as nice as yours just makes the whole game "pop". Again, my opinion only. You could sell your original glass to recoup some money.
I found mine for $900 in very nice all-around condition and it needed shopped which I did myself (with a little help). You have to realize too games are more plentiful in the Midwest than in Utah. I thought it was worth about $800 but to me was worth the $900. It's not as nice as yours because mine has a slight flipper drag wear mark above the left flipper - it doesn't bother me but a lot of guys it would. Other than that, the rest of the game is very nice and all original. My backglass is real similar to yours with the score reel rubs common to this era of game. I found that using a little lighter color of acrylic paint in the white of the score reels works pretty good. I sealed my glass with TT 1st and then just the touch-ups last. The burnt orange was just mixing and matching the best I could. I try to "take your eyes away" from the games' defects. You can see my pic below.
The other KOD auction was surprising to me too. In my opinion it was 2 or more bidders that had money and wanted that game bad. It was a very nice KoD but that many $$$$'s? Joe G's Atlantis that was the nicest one I've seen went for $3000 last year on a no-reserve ebay auction and Joe stated he thought it would go for $2200. There again, a couple bidders that wanted that game bad.
Joe also stated in a forum that he sells games on ebay now with a no-reserve auction and lets the market decide what it's worth. He said generally he's been real happy with that approach, with the exception of a couple that went for less than expected. The time of year you sell may affect the price too. Between November and March, more people are on ebay buying pinball machines when it's cold outside. Having Pilot Air ship your game is a great option to buyers with NAVL another good option. What also works good is if you list a machine on ebay say 2 -4 weeks prior to a show such as EXPO saying you will deliver. A lot of guys go to shows wanting to sell their games and buy something else.
I might suggest a no-reserve auction for your KoD. You should do pretty well considering you have such a nice game. I've done a few and they've done fine. Ebay states it's the best option to make the most money - they're probably right. You'll probably get a good price for your game but then there's the notorius fees........
Good luck however you sell your game,
Dave
Quoted from bigdaddy1:Dave, many thanks for your words.
KoD is now on hold. I have a Gottlieb Central Park also listed on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/mhymxga. The same terms about a lower price for this machine and the cost of shipping apply for a sale out of Ebay.
Robert
Robert,
Glad you and Brian could hook up on that deal. Nice hearing from you.
Dave
The only reason I like them is because my operator brought in 90% Gottliebs into his route locations when I was young. They are built like tanks and once you get them up and running they're pretty problem-free after that. If I grew up with all Bally's or all Williams it may be a different story. To each his own........
That's the four 60's I have:
Buckaroo
Kings and Queens
King of Diamonds
Bank a Ball
Plus throw in a rotating title in there - currently a sweet Target Pool - but I will find a Slick Chick to go in it's place when I tire of it.
Like them all........
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Nice choices!
Would add Gigi, World Fair, Ice Revue, Flipper Cowboy.
If I could have any 3 of all mentioned that would be a very tough choice.
Flipper Cowboy and Buckaroo have the same playfield. Some differences in the games are aab, backglass animation, and slight variations on scoring, ruleset, rollovers, etc.. I like the Fliiper Cowboy but decided to get the Buckaroo since I like replay games.
Check out this '41 GTB Spot Pool. OK, so the pop's are a little melted - no biggie. Seriously though, most of the same parts used then (and before) are still pretty much the same through the birth of SS's. Transformer, tilt-bob (Harry Williams invented that didn't he?), switches, etc.. Check out the 5" bell they used then. Reminds me of the old school bells albeit smaller.
ebay.com link: 1941 Gottlieb SPOT POOL Woodrail Pinball Machine Perfect Backglass No Reserve
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Gottlieb (surprise) Dragon em - for your viewing pleasure:
ebay.com link: VERY RARE Gottlieb DRAGON EM Pinball Machine Electro Mechanical ONLY 507 MADE
Neat story behind this sale - artist/restoration specialist at Fabulous Fantasies thinning the herd.
Quoted from o-din:I met him at the last auction. He is a very friendly person and we talked for a while. I see several more in the background. Maybe it is time to go claim my treasure.
I'd like to see the rest of his collection...........
1 week later
The girls of Jack in the Box.............well endowed - of course. Not a bad starting price.
ebay.com link: Vintage 1973 Gottlieb Jack In The Box Pinball Machine
1 week later
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:O-din...this one is for you...It is in Long Beach and the starting bid price is good.
Ebay link
Odin yoohoo Odin (he's probably playing his wedgeheads - I don't blame him)
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:A nice restored Central Park up for grabs with low bids so far.
Ebay link
Only 1 1/2 hrs. away - this guy has been repairing (and repainting) em's for 30 years now.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:This one should disappear quickly at 1650 buy it now.
Ebay link
1 bid pending. I agree with Rat. This probably won't be around too long.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:A really super nice Gottlieb Astro. You just don't see these for sale often, let alone on ebay. If my pinball funds weren't spent already I would jump all over this one.
Ebay link
Astro and 4 Square share a similar playfield layout. It's been said that Astro has the better artwork package. I still like my 4 Square.........
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:A nice restored Central Park up for grabs with low bids so far.
Ebay link
It just climbed a little. New coin door skin installed.........
Quoted from o-din:I like hitting the targets on the roto unit.
That's the way to be successful in Buckarooland........
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:I found Hoov's Bank-A-Ball on ebay. Nice machine dude! No reserve...bid bid bid! Hoov has beautiful machines.
Ebay link
Thanks Rat for the compliments. You're building yourself a fine collection there too.
I have to sell the unshopped Bank a Ball to make room for a Slick Chick (plus extra playfield) that Dirtflipper found in a package deal that he offered to me. My hats off to a great guy and fellow pinsider Dirtflipper. The only thing he wanted in return was karma so there you go guys - karma is your friend.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Hey look! It is a Buckaroo with a reasonable starting price.
Ebay link
The horse kicks the cowboy under led lights........
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Hey look! It is a Buckaroo with a reasonable starting price.
Ebay link
Flipper wear drag common for these games and the notorious rusty coin door - but it's got LED's!
Quoted from way2wyrd:I can occasionally scoop a deal off CL but most of the time they either are gone or the jackass takes a higher offer from another caller.
That's the one thing I dislike too Jeff. Being 1st to respond to a pin for sale on CL and setting up a time to pick it up, and the buyer caves to other callers offering more because they know they weren't #1.
Slick Chick in Maine
It's $24 now and will go much higher........he needs more/better pics
ebay.com link: Gottlieb 1963 Gottliebs Slick Chick Pinball Pop Bumper caps
Quoted from AlexF:After looking I think that is just for two pop bumper caps.
You're right Alex - I missed the caps at the end of his title - no wonder
Quoted from Pafasa:The title does mislead a bit, but the description of the item for sale is pretty clear.
Unless you're impatient, hyper, and spastic like me.......
In the 9th edition of pinballeric's price guide that just came out, Brian Saunders (lives fairly close to me) rated the top 25 60's & 70's collectible rare em games. Gemini came in at No. 15.
Here's the list
1. Charlies Angels - '78 GTB
2. Evel Knievel EM - 1977 BLY
3. TKO - '78 GTB
4. Blue Note/Rock Star - '78 GTB
5. Mata Hari EM - '77 BLY
6. Dimension - '71 GTB
7. Pleasure Isle - '65 GTB
8. Space Walk - '79 GTB
9. Joker Poker - '78 GTB
10. Neptune - '78 GTB
11. Challenger - '71 GTB
12. Hit The Deck - '78 GTB
13. Eye of the Tiger - '78 GTB
14. Close Encounters EM - '78 GTB
15. Gemini - '78 GTB
16. Poseidon - '78 GTB
17. Black Jack EM- '77 BLY
18. Sinbad EM - '78 GTB
19. Solar Ride EM - '79 GTB
20. Double-Up - '71 BLY
21. Black Gold - '75 WMS
22. Bristol Hills - '71 GTB
23. Round Up - '71 BLY
24. King Rex - '70 BLY
25. Bali-Hi - '73 BLY
Challenger is a very unique 2-player game. They only made 110 of them so it's rare. I've played it and to me it's not very fun but to someone that collects rare games and has a lot of space for this monster............... Book value is $2200 right now - a few years back I remember book value was $1500 so it's on the way up as far as prices go.
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Quoted from Shapeshifter:Wow, nice pin!
Did you see the $700 2001 on CL last week in the Chicago area that someone here posted a link to? It was repainted but looked real nice. I think it was working too.
Quoted from Pin-it:Itchy flipper fingers.
good one
Quoted from o-din:About a four hour drive from here. I hate driving anymore. Stuck in a stupid car for a whole day. Guess I can live without that one.
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Yea I hear you o-din. I will pick up a pin if it is an hour each way but that is about it for me anymore. No more drives from Idaho to Washington or Oregon for me. NAVL works well for this old man these days!
Ken
I've gotten used to the 3 - 4 hr. drives. Sometimes 6 or 7 if I want it bad enough. I've got a lot of nice pins that way. Not that may come up for sale locally since I don't live near a major city.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:1975 Gottlieb El Dorado. Priced about 500 too high. Only a 3 hour drive from me though.
Ebay link
Update on the ED: 10 people per hour are viewing this item. That's good to know.
Quoted from AlexF:Woodrail with potential.
Ebay link
Alex, did you drive over to Walled Lake, MI? - it's sold now. I betcha that was even tempting for dirt.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:I found out what was wrong with my Slick Chick. There is a broken plastic piece in on of my score reels. I hope it is a plastic piece that can be ordered from PBR.
Post a pic of the part you need Rat. Several of us have spare score reel parts laying around.
Like rare?
ebay.com link: 1971 Gottlieb Bristol Hills
In Phoenix - only 110 made. No. 22 on Brian Saunders 70's list for rare titles (plug for Brian since he is a friend of mine)
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:But is this game actually any fun? Rare doesn't always equal fun.
I only said this game is rare. Some don't even care if it's fun. From a post over on rgp this title is not as fun as Snow Derby and Snow Queen. Search the archives for Bristol Hills on rgp for more info. on playability. I've never played it.
Quoted from WeirPinball:I got that KO on CL - originally listed for something like $350 - turned into an auction, but I won.
If I could get a deal like that I would make room.
Quoted from AlexF:I have a friend from Madison. He told me of a story of another guy he knew getting one for a few hundred bucks off of an ad in the paper I think. He was bummed he missed out on it but happened on another one within a few blocks of the first at a rummage sale a couple weeks later in better condition for $250. I'm not sure exactly when this happened but the fact that two turned up within the same month within a mile from each other both for bargain price about blew my mind. What are the odds?
Great story..........
1 week later
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:A deal and half!
Buy a Slot machine a get a Gottlieb 4 Square Pinball Machine all for $199.00!
This won't last long!
ebay.com link » Arroking Slot Machine And Tokens Bonus Pinball Machine
Ken
Read the seller's description: "bowling pinball machine". 1st time I've ever heard anyone call a 4 Square a bowling pinball machine...... Agree though - great deal!
2 weeks later
Soccer - good player (what I hear from several here). Never owned one (yet). Starting price is nice. Anyone in North Carolina?
Quoted from Pin-it:Do it ,do it now!
Man, anytime I see a red button I want to push it - especially this one.
Quoted from o-din:Check out this relic!-
ebay.com link » Pin Ball Antique Machine
I hope our em collections don't become relics some day........
This game was on ebay last week and the reserve didn't get met.
ebay.com link: 1965 GOTTLIEB BUCKAROO pinball machine Super NICE Shopped 100 working perfect
"I will credit winning bidder $300 off of shipping charges"
Quoted from dasvis:ebay.com link » Gottlieb High Hand Pinball Machine
Yeah, that High hand is at least in the ball park for pricing........
The BIN is a good price - not too far from odin
For sake of simplicity, IMHO I would make 3 ratings - the backglass (front and back pics needed), the playfield including all parts, plastics, and paint (under and over pics needed), and the cabinet and internals including all metal and associated parts and paint (several pics needed here). whew
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Cool...my 6 categories were suggestions.
Well, actually your response wasn't posted when I was typing mine. But, it looks like we think alike (scary I know)
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:A weird and rare playmatic pinball machine...
ebay.com link » Playmatic Pinball Machine
Description says "No tire kickers please"
Aren't you supposed to e-mail the seller with questions on ebay and make offers as to what you think it's worth?
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Gottlieb C-37 Currently $100.00, 1 Bid, with no reserve.
ebay.com link » 1977 Centigrade 37 By Gottlieb
Ken
4 bids - $255 right now. Agree with Dirt - this will probably get to/go above $1200. Nice looking game with vibrant paint. Where's Chris when you need him?
2 weeks later
Any guesses as to whether the reserve gets met and the final price of this holy grail Mermaid?
I'll say the reserve gets met and final price will be $14,100. It could easily go higher with the right two bidders.
Quoted from boilerman:i know a few people who bought the repro pf to hang on the wall.
but i doubt the price will hit 10k on this one
The guy originally had this on St. Louis CL listed for $13,000. He got flooded with e-mails/calls and went to an appraiser to get it appraised. Then he threw it on ebay.
Quoted from boilerman:with that bad pf it will be very hard finding someone that has a repro that will part with it. otherwise you have a mermaid with a blownout pf.
he should of sold it for 1300 on CL but greed tends to take over
i bet it goes back on CL
Don't know what he was offered when it was on CL but it surprises me there was only one serious buyer. I heard of one person that had the repro pf and contacted the guy when it was on CL.
Hey boilerman, did you come across a 2nd Target Pool? I miss the ding-ding-ding of the lit yellow arrows for 300 pts.. Shooters paradise......
Quoted from way2wyrd:Theres a TP at Pinballz down here that i love to play. The other day the special relay was stuck so we rolled up 14 free games before we let the tech know what was happening
--Jeff
You could play awhile on that game. Do you shove in coin or is that place $5 an hour or $20 a day like the ones I've heard of (none close to me).
Quoted from way2wyrd:Its coins. Games range from 50 to 1.50 a game
Bout 100 machines total
Only 3 or 4 em machines on the floor. They don't really have a true em tech and I have no time to help out
Wow!
Big place.
Quoted from AlexF:Poor, poor camo Sing Along. But hey look at the starting price and from what I can tell the play field looks decent.
ebay.com link » Sing Along Wedge Head Gottlieb Pinball Machine
Poor poor camo paint job (and poor bg)
I like this info. though: It appears that all the guts are there. Ball is "in the well".
Square Head - high end restoration.
ebay.com link: D Gottlieb Company 1963 Square Head Pinball Museum quality Restoration
Seller claims over $4000 in parts in this game
Quoted from smellytongues:The price was just lowered to $450 on this Abra Ca Dabra. I want it but it's just too far from me and my wife said she would kill me if I drove down to get it.
ebay.com link » Abra Ca Dabra Pinball Machine Nice
Someone should snag it.
Tell her it's the deal of a lifetime (well maybe)
Quoted from o-din:Here's $3500 I won't be spending-
ebay.com link » Gottlieb 1954 Hawaiian Beauty Completely Refurbished
Just came out on Mr. Pinball for $3000 this morning.........
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Quoted from cantbfrank:Bought it. Picking it up this weekend.
Congrats!
Had a Target Pool - sold my Target Pool - miss my Target Pool - will buy another Target Pool when one comes available........
Quoted from Svendtube:ebay.com link
This is a rotary game I would like
That Rocketship looks to be the same one posted on the Pinside market right now for $1000. Maybe the reserve will be that too - who knows?
Quoted from boilerman:target pool is a great players game, great flow and lots to shoot at. i do unwind the two upper kicker coils a bit to give them a little more kick.
Agree - shooters paradise on this game. Nothing better than the ding-ding-ding of the hundreds bell when you hit the alternating yellow arrow.
Hey boilerman - need your opinion here - would you say 2001 is a similar game to Target Pool except it has drops instead of stand-up targets? My 2001 isn't restored for me to compare so that's why I'm asking.
Quoted from boilerman:i have called my target pool the 2001 of stand up targets. IMO 2001 doesn't have the great flow TP does but it is close. they play a little different but they are both worth having. i don'r see either one leaving anytime soon.
Thanks
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Quoted from jrpinball:Three for one money. The "FC" looks nice! Not "Jungle King" though; it's "Wild Life".
ebay.com link » 3 Gottlieb Pinballs Flying Carpet Outerspace And Jungle King Pinball Machines
boilerman would like that Flying Carpet to fly right into his basement
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:WoW!
What a deal..............
ebay.com link » 1975 Gottlieb El Dorado Pinball Machine Restored
For that price they should be throwing in a mint Joker Poker EM as well.
Ken
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Man what a douche. I have lost all respect for this guy. Look at the planked playfield , mediocre touchups around the inserts and faded / missing paint specs in the paint. The playfield is an 8.
1500 dollar base game
500 in PBR parts
300 for a new repro backglass
500-600 dollar repaint
1500 for labor and restoration
= 4300-4400 dollars which is too much for this game unless it had a Wade Krauss PF or an impeccable original PF.
This guys wants 7800 f' ing dollars! What kind of medical marijuana is this guy smoking???!!!!!
You guys should read this post from over on rgp about the El Dorado you're talking about:
http://rgparchive-removed.com/rgpforum/showthread.php?t=519077
You're right jr - same seller
ebay.com link: D Gottlieb Company 1963 Square Head Pinball Museum quality Restoration
This guy resides in California where odin is
Quoted from jrpinball:I checked out his website. He's got some nice stuff. I didn't see prices listed anywhere though. He has some youtube videos as well. Check out his "Atlantis" restoration. I guess he's no different than some others here on the east coast who offer similar items, other than the fact that his asking prices are truly stratospheric! I know of others here who buy nice games from collectors, then turn around and not only triple the price, but claim that the restoration was done by them rather than the person they bought the game from. You never know who he might reel in; someone with lots of disposable cash and no concept of what a pinball machine is supposed to cost. I guess that's what he's hoping for.
He probably wants a cool 8k or so for this SS "JP". http://pinballpickers.com/pinballmachines/joker/home.html
Maybe trying to sell games similar to what Fabulous Fantasies (high-end restorer) sells out there in California sells? Hoping to grab a few high-end customers with $$$$$$?
I heard through a reliable source that an El Dorado with a repro pf and a repro bg sold for $8900 from a high-end restorer (not naming the business) recently.
They say you can list your games for any price you want. That doesn't mean you'll get it.
Quoted from o-din:Not even close. About 400 miles away.
413.22 miles away according to Mapquest. I only said he was in the same state ) I can't help it your state is so long......
Quoted from CactusJack:FYI, probably a re-import (Mondial Entry Plate). Beware of a 50 hertz score motor. They run fast, can be a bit hard to fine tune the bonus collect on a worn game.
Interesting - thanks for sharing. I had a re-import Dodge City and it seemed to play fine as it was already working when I bought it. I knew about the score motor but have ever heard about problems with bonuses counting down, etc..
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Quoted from o-din:Not yet. But I have the feeling it is getting closer.
Meanwhile I am sitting right on top of the epicenter of this last weekends earthquakes. And I just felt another jolt.
Talk about great action on the playfield while the earthquake hits! Try to reach special with a 5.1!
2 weeks later
Quoted from tommycrum:Is this for real I have never seen that high of a price on any pinball machine
maybe a extra zero added by mistake ?
ebay.com link » Big Bang Bar Pinball Machine By Illinois Pinball Mint Condition
That's for real - right at the top of the most expensive machines out there.
Quoted from tommycrum:Thanks hoov I just don't believe a pin at any level is worth that much even if I did have that kind of money
one would need some really deep pockets for that
I think going rate is more like 21K - 25K right now but a business is selling this so premium added and wiggle room? There's one on the Pinside market for $25K right now. Same - I don't know.
Quoted from Playdium:The Bon Voyage for sale is mine. I have an interested buyer in Kentucky, however the shipping quotes we are getting are about $500+. Any inexpensive shippers out there?
Have him contact Michelle Bianchi with Precision Transportation for a quote. She is an agent who books jobs for STI (formerly North American Van Lines - NAVL)
E-mail: [email protected]
Cell - (630) 344-2646
I would think you could shave off $100 - $125 off of that price.
Quoted from stashyboy:How many minor issues can you find on this game for a supposed 300 hour restoration?
ebay.com link » 1975 D Gottlieb Quick Draw Pinball Machine Restored Wow
I realize it's in California, but really?! At this price, it should at least have Wade's field in it!!
This is the same guy who had the Square Head for $7495 and the El Dorado for $7750. Puts in over 300 hours on all his games according to him..........
1 week later
73 Jumping Jack. 600 Dollars. I know the guy selling it here in DFW. He is a good guy. I would buy it but I don't collect 70's machines anymore.
ebay.com link » Gottlieb Jumping Jack Pinball Machine Arcade Dfw
Here's his pinside ad in the Market subforum:
Located in Benbrook, TX, United States
Used but working and clean USD 500 — Placed 2014-04-27 by laanguiano
3 weeks later
Quoted from jrpinball:Yow! This is some lineup if you like the rare ones.
ebay.com link » Four 1978 79 Columbia Pictures Gottlieb Em Pinball Machines Mega Rare
I agree. Make sure you have a fat wallet out for this one!
If I were the seller IMHO I would have paid for someone to put up a better auction description with better pictures to go along with these high-dollar games. There's steak but no sizzle!
Quoted from funtimewithdave:Wow wish I was closer on that one. Although, that "missing plunger, right flipper plunges ball" part is kinda scary! Whats up with that?!?!?
That's normal for that game and a few others from that era. Depress right flipper button and ball launches out of the outhole up into playfield to start a game.......... No ball shooter on this one.
Quoted from btw75:"turret"
Yes, turret is the correct term - thanks
Quoted from DennisDodel:Technically not really a "turret" shooter as it does not oscillate like Derby Day, Hayburners 2 and other true turret games.
Dennis is correct - it is not a turret. A turret rotates.
The Pinball Compendium (yellow cover) is also wrong - they call it a turret shooter.
As Ken said - ball shooter is the best we got unless someone can give us a better name.
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:For all you folks who want to join the official Abra Ca Dabra Club!
ebay.com link » Vintage 1970s Pinball Machine Abra Ca Dabra Fully Funtional
Ken
It's easy to join the club. All you need is $800 if you feel lucky and more if not....... 
Quoted from PMcGee:And it is the rarer electromagnetic version.
The electromagnetic version is where you place a powerful magnet on top of the playfield glass and guide the ball into certain scoring positions/specials to achieve numerous replays.
Agree with everything you guy's have said about the Gypsy Queen. The high-end restorers like Russ seem to have a following of loyal buyers with $$$$$ that will pay more for a game like this. And then there's the "Anna factor" ???? Add to that a few people on ebay bidding against each other that really want a nice restored woodrail that looks good.........
I sold a pretty nice project Gypsy Queen to David Silverman for $600 about 6 or 7 years ago.
Quoted from AlexF:I still should have bought yours Dave, way back when. Still kicking myself. I wonder if David ended up selling it.
Don't know if he sold it or not Alex. I think that game needed a repro bg even though the bg wasn't terrible.
1 week later
Non-paying buyer so this Chinatown is back up for auction again:
ebay.com link: GOTTLIEB CHINATOWN WOODRAIL PINBALL MACHINE 1953 GREAT CONDITION
Quoted from RobT:How hard is it to get a new backglass for something like that Top Card?
http://www.flippers.com/back4sal.html has a NOS for $250 - $450. The glass might cost you more than the whole game
BGResto http://bgresto.com/ might be able to do a resto of it for around $250.
Shay http://shayarcadegroup.com/ and Ron Webb http://pinballglass.homestead.com/don't have that glass on their list. They both sell reproduction screened glass like the originals that were used in the games.
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Quoted from cd1954:I played the game growing up. I think it was a nickel per play. Great game. Wouldn't mind owning one!
cd1954
I certainly like your avatar. Always wanted to play a Majorettes. I've heard a lot of good things about that game.
Quoted from Heretic_9:I'm a bit put off now re this title, due to the mention of MDF used in the manufacture (how much, and exactly WHERE ?), rather than standard plywood. Particle board is fragile **crap**, which can crumble to dust. I've always avoided buying any furniture that contained it. If any of you restore Abra Ca Dabras, do you try to replace that "wood" content ?
Don't be put off by this minor problem with Abra Ca Dabra. I think dirtflipper was referring to the compositie panel at the back of the base cabinet. If you stand the base up vertically, then of course the game rests on this panel (although there's supposed to be 4 furniture nail buttons which are missing a lot). In a wet environment that panel disintegrates pretty fast. I moved an Abra once several years ago and I'm pretty careful moving games and a small 1" piece chipped out on the bottom lip of that panel because it was composite.
If the game has stayed dry in it's life chances are you won't have any problems. You just have to be a little more careful moving. I wouldn't replace that panel unless it was damaged/had got wet.
Definitely one off the better titles to buy that are out there. In my top 5 of 70's em's.
Quoted from Heretic_9:The few Volleys I've seen have been in surprisingly good condition
Surprisingly good game - this game is easier to find than Abra or Slick Chick
Finally got the chance to see and play a Slick Chick recently. This one's really old school EM, with quite a bit more going on than a casual glance or a few plays are apt to reveal. Not sure if it lives up to all the hype though. Maybe.
Don't give up on Slick Chick just yet. Have you been to the Slick Chick thread on this group? Very sought-after game. From what I hear, It's one of those games that you get so close to beating it but can't. So, you keep coming back for another........I need to shop mine someday
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Too new for you? How about a 1950 Gottlieb Knockout for $1500.00 start bid with no reserve? You could always BIN for $2600.00 but I wouldn't.
ebay.com link » 1950 Gottlieb Knock Out Pinball Machine
Hey Dan this post is for you
Ken
Sure have been a lot of Knock Out's come up for sale lately. A few months back it was Sing Along. What title will be next?
Quoted from DirtFlipper:It's probably the 70's Bally Knockout...
He spelled it as if it were a Gottlieb Knock Out. You may be right though.......
Quoted from swampfire:Sorry, I left out the bottom of his post (and oversimplified while drinking and posting):
ALL MACHINE WORKING COMPLETE
SHOPPED OUT
MOST REPAINTED
STARTING AT 1200.00
So I'm guessing some games will be higher. You can see the post if you join the "Pinball for Sale" group on Facebook. I'm surprised the seller hasn't posted on CL or Pinside or eBay. Here's a pic - looks like he bought a pinball museum?615184_10204246528827343_4574834... 75 KB
The guy selling these has a pinball business in south Florida and his name is Manny Sosa. He started the facebook group "Pinball for Sale" (I'm a member too).
Quoted from valentin27:This can be the Williams and not the Gottlieb.
There is a Bally Knockout manufactured in 1975 with Knockout being one word.
Gottlieb also designed a Knockout in 1979 (one word) - with less than 10 produced that never made it to production.
Quoted from jodini:I just saw that one this morning! Funny how everyone thinks no one is going for it, but everyone is ready to click!
Itchy trigger finger!
Quoted from AlexF:Nah, we're talking Gottlieb Flipper. North of Chicago. Nice looking game but repainted…
It's within range for me but for the record I like it but won't be bidding.
Here we go again. The torch is passed to me and I'm out of money 
Quoted from AlexF:Auction ended early?
Looks like it Alex. Must of got a decent enough offer. I'm surprised too there wasn't a least one bid. I know summer is the worst time to sell but geesh.
Quoted from boilerman:I am just the opposite, pinball fund is flush but nothing to buy
Are you still waiting for your Flying Carpet to float in to your area? I miss playing the one I shopped last winter.
Quoted from John_in_NC:Near Chicago, there are lots of pins there, Guessing $575-600
Auction ended early. Our fun is over 
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Square Head in Jersey.......
ebay.com link: GOTTLIEB 1963 SQUAREHEAD ADD A BALL PINBALL MACHINE
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Quoted from MikeO:Here's a bargain Bowling Queen if it's local to you.
ebay.com link
That looks to be a good deal if someone can come in below the buy-it-now.
He also has a Flying Carpet, Magic City, and a restored Seeburg 222 - 1st stereo jukebox - for sale.
Quoted from stashyboy:Check out this listing.......If it's for real, a real steal! Looks to be in very good condition. Hard to say if the reds have the usual flaking, but looks great without being back lit. Also gotta love the guy's copy to go with it!
ebay.com link » Sky Jump Pinball Machine Gottlieb Wedgehead
I would say the reds aren't flaked from looking at that pic. I have a backglass just about like it with no flaking. Nice looking game. This dude is crazy mad
ebay.com link: Vintage Gottlieb Blue Note Pinball Machine
The Blue Note in Canada sold on ebay for $1515
Quoted from Heretic_9:Awhile back, I asked Dirtflipper if anyone ever posted bounties or finder's fees here, and he said that it's been known to happen. Well, here's the proof. It would have to be for a title that's awfully rare and hard-to-find. No doubt, just 350 units made seems to qualify. (BUT, with 8000 of the SS version made . . . I dunno. Especially if it's one of those cases where the SS closely duplicates the attributes of the EM version.)
Several in the hobby will pay for a game "that stands out in their collection" because of it's rarity. They have the money too - which I don't.
Same reason people may look for a low production muscle car from the 60's - maybe a convertible or a low production model with unique features.
The funny thing is some of the rare collectible pinball machines with low production runs are duds to play.
Quoted from o-din:Ended.
Congrats.
Kings and Queens and King of Diamonds sure do look nice side by side in a collection.
ebay.com link: Gottlieb Big Hit baseball themed pinball machine
This Big Hit has the "white version playfield". With a little cabinet work, this game could be pretty nice. And, like Ken said $400 starting bid with no reserve - not a bad deal.
If anyone here get's this Big Hit with the white version playfield post the serial numbers on IPSND (Internet Pinball Serial Number Database)
Quoted from JKnPA:I don't understand this........ 'local pickup omly' ! Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping).
What's the difference who picks up the machine. I would think the seller would feel more secure if a known mover picked up and moved a machine as opposed to a stranger.
Anyway what are the odds someone local is going to buy the machine.
What am I missing here ?
You have to choose that option in ebay now - either (1. )local pick-up only - will arrange for local pick-up only (no shipping) or (2.) shipping with fees attached.
It's up to the seller at that point on whether he will allow any shipper to be involved at all. The buyer will contact him to inquire about using a shipper. He may let STI come get the game, he may take it to a terminal or place with a loading dock, or he may want it picked up at his house - his call.
Quoted from RobT:The hardest part about shipping an EM is the fact that a good portion of the time the shipping costs will be as much as I paid for the pin itself.
If I'm going to pay for shipping charges on an EM, it would need to be something pretty special that I really wanted, or a deal where I could have a couple of them shipped at the same time to make it worth it.
The Californian's I've dealt with all seem too familiar with the 2 for 1 deal. Word get's around out there
Quoted from RobT:Cool.
I'll take your Slick Chick and Abra Ca Dabra!
They're written in to my will. Talk to the executor.
Quoted from RobT:No worries. I'll take the El Dorado and Kings and Queens instead.
Sorry, they're in it too.
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Not a bad game to go get since these are harder too find than most. Playfield doesn't look too bad but I would ask for better pics. Most of these have insert wear in the top of the lower drop bank and right side upper when they get about 40,000 + plays. Coin door and strike plate needs to be addressed. You could remove that switch and repair the damage and touch-up the paint. If you're going to have a hack to the game I'd rather have it on the side of the head than the playfield.......
Quoted from Heretic_9:Isn't that pretty much the same pin as El Dorado ? I see El Dorados on eBay with some regularity, though often along with a 'No Shipping' statement. O.K., this one is low production, but I'd have zero interest in pretty much any AaB game. Much better to have a replay version (or one of the 4-player versions, if you're not that attached to the Western theme artwork), and much easier to obtain in this case.
Not sure what the deal is with that side hack -- why they had to do it that way. There seem to be different ways for doing it. The Gottlieb wedgeheads have this funky thing going on when wired for free play. Pressing the Start button twice, one of which is the actual game ? Or one press, but a ball has to be run through -- during which nothing on the pf is active, and THEN it all lights up, ready for play. I can't explain it, might not even be describing this well . . . .
Gold Strike is the aab version of El Dorado which is the replay version. They also made Lucky Strike, Solar City, and Target Alpha which use the same playfield layout.
On a Gottlieb wedgehead - if your game is working correctly you should have to push the start button only one time and after the game goes through the start-up sequence it should kick a ball out to the shooter lane - all this takes only seconds.
Quoted from stashyboy:huh?
Do you mean 'Canada Dry'?
Lucky Strike is the Italian version, Canada Dry (which you noted) is the export version, and El Dorado City of Gold is the electronic version.
Seven games share the same playfield layout.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:Oh wow.
ebay.com link » Vintage Alaba Pinball Machine
Sold for Buy It Now of $575. I thought the original auction had said starting price of $499 and Buy It Now of $699????
Who got it? It looks nice.
Quoted from o-din:Yeah I need them all! I may have a couple more incoming this next weekend and then I'm broke and out of space. I'll update when I apply for food stamps,
Yeah,
But if you file for bankruptcy we pay cash for our pins anyway so you don't need credit! 
Quoted from o-din:I would probably have to if I clicked buy it now on this one-
ebay.com link » 1963 Gottlieb Gigi Pinball Machine
Marilyn never looked better.......
Quoted from practicalsteve:Is that a fair price for a Worlds Fair???? I have one and if I sold it I would have no idea what to price it at. Any input?
2014 MPC price guide - $800 in very good condition working
Eric's 9th edition price guide - $500, $925, $1400
Also check bostonpinball.biz - go to ebay sales summary and scroll down to your game
Location affects price too........
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2014 Mr Pinball Price Guide has the top 5 50's games in this order:
Mermaid
Knock Out
Dragonette
Minstrel Man
Niagra
Erics 9th Edition Pinball Price Guide lists these top 10 woodrails:
Mermaid
Buffalo Bill
Knock Out
Dragoneete
Ministrel Man
Nags
Sluggin champ Deluxe
Niagra
Hot-Rods
4-Belles
These lists are based upon the editor's opinion of values of each game.......
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Quoted from stashyboy:This game title has been in the discussions recently. This one has a very good price and seems like a good candidate for a playfield resto.
ebay.com link » Gottlieb Target Alpha Pinball Machine
Good price - I like this quote: Manufacturer-Gottlieb, D. & Co., The Target Alpha Maker
2 weeks later
Target Alpha in Virginia for $200 starting bid
ebay.com link: Gottlieb Target Alpha Pinball Machine
Lower playfield needs touched-up and head lights out but for $200 the rest of it looks pretty decent.
Quoted from CactusJack:That game is messed up! Look at the paint loss at the right flipper feed lane. That's not normal wear and tear. That is water damage which can be seen at the top arch and all along the right side as well as the inner right flap of the Score Card Apron. A little play and more paint will be flaking off the Playfield. Way too much labor to bring that one back. Plenty of others show up for sale.
The only redeeming value is the highly sought after lock down bar.
ebay.com link: Wedge Highhand head pinball D Gottlieb Co parts machine
The High Hand was worth $173.50 to someone.....
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Quoted from MikeO:If I didn't already own a Majorettes I'd be looking hard at this one.
ebay.com link
Same seller also has a nice Fast Draw: ebay.com link: NICE WORKING 1975 GOTTLIEB FAST DRAW PINBALL MACHINE LOOK WOW -
Ship 2 games with STI and save $$$$$
Who know what else he is selling?
Quoted from o-din:It may take a special kind of buyer to fork over the cash for this one. Or is that two?
ebay.com link » Custom Made Beatles Cartoon Theme Pinball Machine
That's Herb S's game aka Fabulous Fantasies
Quoted from MikeO:The seller did well on this. Had it originally listed with a $1K buy it now and ended up over $1600.
There was a Majorettes on Mr. Pinball Classifieds recently too.......
Quoted from Pin-it:$10,000 ? ebay.com link » Flying Turns Pinball Machine Rare Game W Race Car Backbox Animation Restore
That business also has about 80 or 90 other high-priced games for sale on their ebay store. And, they say they have over 300 in inventory. With that said, they have 100% feedback, so someone with money must be happy. Ebay seems to be a front window to allow people to view their games. Not sure what deals are made outside of ebay. And in their defense, businesses are expensive to run.
6 game package in PA:
GTB: Big Shot, Hot Shot, Spirit of 76, CC Red Baron, Sonic Faces, Wms OXO.
What you see is what you get 
ebay.com link: Lot of 6 antique vintage Pinball Machines Arcade games Gottlieb Spirit of 76
Quoted from jrpinball:ebay.com link » Gottlieb Bowling Queen Pinball Machine
That's about five weeks in a row where he's had that game and a Rack a Ball on there where the reserve wasn't met.
Royal Flush in NY. Backglass (little flaking in the yellows - common) and playfield don't look too bad. Starting price - $399 - is good. Needs restored.
"0" feedback seller though 
ebay.com link: 1976 Gottliebs Royal Flush Pinball Machine Not Working
Quoted from o-din:This one looks kind of familiar.
ebay.com link » 1959 Gottlieb Universe Woodrail Pinball Machine With Backglass Animation
Yup,
It's sitting in the exact spot where my new North Star will go when I bring it home Friday
Quoted from o-din:Just out of curiosity, did it get "boring"?
Nope,
Didn't have it long enough to even know.
A chance for a North Star that I've wanted for a long time came up and as you know, I collect all 60's and 70's Gottliebs. I do find a woodrail occasionally but just don't have the space for them. I honestly like the faster game play and more things to shoot for on the 60's and 70's games but love the retro artwork of the woodrail era - just no room for them.
Quoted from o-din:That's what I was thinking. Didn't you get it just last week? Just curious because I may have one on the way and have never played it.
Maybe someday you can find a real nice "Groovy".
You probably don't remember but about 3 or 4 weeks ago I went up to Chicago to get a "NOW' with a re-painted cabinet for a whopping $100 (+ gas).
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I sold a very nice all-around original Drop a Card - collector quality - with some very minor tasteful pf touch-ups for $1100. The original bg was awesome and nice original cabinet paint. I posted pics of it in the marketplace last fall. You can pick up a nice one in the $600 - $900 range in my area - not sure about Cali.
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Here's a pic of my El Dorado repro from Shay I just received last October. Couldn't be happier. If you have a problem with a glass contact Shay and tell him you're not happy with the quality. I've gotten several backglasses from Shay and Ron Webb and they all looked great.
We're lucky to have Shay, Ron, bgresto, John, etc. still doing these.......
Repro bgs 004.JPGQuoted from NicoVolta:one other issue I've noticed with BGRESTO: He seems to favor reds, which is noticeable in your El Dorado photo above.
Here is my Shay ED unlit which might give you a better idea on the colors. It's hard to tell the colors on lit bg's because lighting can change the pic so much.
Repro bgs 017.JPGQuoted from wayner:A scruffy Sky Jump with 'conduct' issues!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121570786623?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
That's one dirty playfield - about the norm in au ha? I like the mix and match drop targets. He has the 1 and the 5 and the only other one I recognize is the horseshoe.
Quoted from ZNET:1954 Williams Spitfire woodrail.
ebay.com link » Vintage 1954s Williams Spitfire Woodrail Pinball Machine Game
A little unrealistic to have a couple of pretty, shapely ladies with one having her gun drawn in front of a wild-west tavern where a guy could get booted out the double door at any minute (think King of Diamonds). But, if you own the game and are playing it, the ladies ARE nice to look at.........
Quoted from AlexF:Here you go JR. Weren't you looking for one of these.
ebay.com link » Vintage Gottlieb Gold Strike Pinball Machine Great Condition
Yes he was. He said he wished he would have snagged mine when I sold it for $1800 on ebay a few years ago. Now, just add inflation.
Here's his chance
Quoted from CactusJack:along with many games with thrashed backglasses due to 1.) how badly Gene stored his games (or 2.) what they were like when he amassed them).
Choice no. 1 is the correct answer- I saw them in person (live an hour away) and went back home with no em's a few years back (I'm an hour away) after I had seen his games in his metal buildings out back with no HVAC (+ critters I've heard). His best games were in the smaller buildings up front that did have hvac and were sold in the beginning. Re his em's, he was asking prices too high for the shape they were in. Maybe now the prices have come down to earth - I don't know.
Guys,
I got the Bank a Ball on CL (on ebay too). Going to someone I know who wants one real bad.
Contractor/electrician doing work for a lady and she said "get the game out of the basement" please. So, sellers, they're not. Movers, they were, and she is happy it's gone.
Playfield glass needs replaced. Knobs missing on lockbar. No. 2 plastic animation pool ball has detached from metal arm and fell (see pic on ebay) - all other pool balls are fine. Nice cabinet (I've never seen anyone go this crazy with an ink pen before though), nice playfield (dirty with a little left flipper drag), and super nice original backglass.
Edit: And, oh, the legs were painted with that medium puky green (think small Testors bottles) we painted our model cars with back in the 60's - 70's.
Quoted from jrpinball:Nice! Glad you got it and it's going to a good home. Are you going to do the shop-out (I reserve the word "restoration", since the game is pretty dang nice)?
Plan to....
Quoted from wayner:Good one Dave-you are fast becoming the Sherlock Holmes of pin detection!!!
No-one, and I repeat no-one, can sniff out a pin as good as dirtflipper.
He'll outwork every one of us
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Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Ouch at price.
ebay.com link » Rare Vintage 1977 Gottlieb Jacks Open Pinball Machine Works Fine Keys Included
But "keys included"......
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:I do have to say I got to play a Gottlieb King Pin and an El Dorado at TPF 2015 and the King Pin just killed it. I had a beautiful Target Alpha a couple years ago for about 3 months and could not sell it fast enough as I hated the play, so I thought maybe an El Dorado would be way different, but not so much and after playing just one 3 ball game it was back to King Pin I went to play it some more.
More power to all you El Dorado fans out there but I just can't stand the play of the game, sorry, it was one of those games I wanted to love, but can't.
At least I can say I love the Artwork. To each his or her own as everyone has different tastes.
Ken
Agree with dirt - need to play several 5 ball games to really give it a chance and yes, it does have the better rule set of all the replay titles imho with that playfield. But since you already had a Target Alpha and wasn't happy with it, it doesn't surprise me you didn't like it. That's what's great about this hobby - everyone likes something different than the next.
Congrats on the King Pin. It's a fun game. Played it a ton as a kid.
Quoted from polyacanthus:Bally Bow and Arrow starting at $99
ebay.com link
I'd bid on this if it were closer. Hadn't seen it listed here yet.
Your link didn't work for me.
Try this one: ebay.com link: BALLY BOW AND ARROW PINBALL MACHINE PROJECT NICE PLAYFIELD BACK GLASS
1 week later
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:ebay.com link » D Gottliebs Melody Add A Ball Pinball Machine
ebay.com link » Vintage 1962 Gottlieb Tropical Isle Pinball Machine Tropical Ladies Monkeys
Hmnn,
Tropical Isle - ok you're close anyway....
2 weeks later
Quoted from wayner:This is the first time I have seen a GTB Mini Cycle advertised
ebay.com link » Gottlieb Mini Cycle Vintage Classic Arcade Pinball Machine
I just helped sell a Mini Cycle for a friend a few months back and he got $500 for it.
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pics of Docs games 014.JPGQuoted from stashyboy:An honest price for that title, looks like it was in nice shape!
The backglass was a nice original and the playfield and cabinet were pretty decent too. Price is about right.
I do like the retro mini-cycles though along with my retro snowmobiles on Snow Derby.
Quoted from MikeO:Steal of the week. Wish it was near me.
ebay.com link » 1977 Gottlieb Jungle Queen Pinball Machine Em Vintage 4 Player For Repair
Those later 70's games weren't on location as long and you tend to find nicer playfields in a lot of them.
Quoted from wayner:GTB El Dorado-description includes comment 'hold relay bypassed open'???
ebay.com link » 75 El Dorado Pinball Machine Rare Gottlieb Wedgehead Em Lucky Strike Gold Rush
You can take your conductors off of the hold relay and splice them straight through to bypass the relay and your game will still work. I think Clay made mention of this somewhere on pinrepair.com if I remember. That contiuous duty coil seems to burn up a lot from the heat generated from being held in all the time and some feel it is not needed. So they just leave the relay in place, unsolder the conductors, and splice them straight through.
Not something I do........I like original..........
Quoted from Shapeshifter:I remember him talking about it on the dvd. His reason is so that when you turn on the game the lights come straight on and no annoying buzzing!
That and guys were cheap so why buy a coil and wait for it to arrive if the current one is toast?
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Quoted from slgerber:There's an app for that, or an incline gauge.
I have an app on my Android called "Clinometer"
Quoted from PinballFever:Nice tip, will use it with my Android too, thanks!
Works great and it's free!
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Quoted from wayner:Gottlieb El Dorado in Australia going for incredible auction price irrespective of condition which includes post between flippers. Hoov can you send a couple more down here?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/181782680506?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I actually have an extra El Dorado I picked up a few months back wayner..........
Quoted from wayner:The machine sold for $6100-quite an incredulous result. I will be interested to see whether the high bidder comes good although there were many high activity bidders not far behind.
Amazing
It just shows you if you get a few people that have money bidding against each other that want a certain title bad enough.......
My El Dorado project I have doesn't even have a post between the flippers!
Big Hit with starting bid of $500 in California. Yeah, it's got some problems but for $500 starting bid not bad. If you want perfect, not your game though.
ebay.com link: Vintage 1977 Gottlieb Big Hit Pinball Machine
A few woodrails from the same seller in SC:
ebay.com link: GOTTLIEB SKILL POOL WOODRAIL PINBALL MACHINE POOL BALLS ON THE PLAYFIELD WOW
ebay.com link: GOTTLIEB SLUGGIN CHAMP WOODRAIL PINBALL MACHINE WOW HARD TO FIND
ebay.com link: GOTTLIEB CAPTAIN KIDD WOODRAIL 2 PLAYER PINBALL MACHINE WOW HARD TO FIND
1 month later
Quoted from goldenboy232:Does Quick Draw get any love in this discussion? For pure geometry, I can't imagine a much better-designed playfield and rules-set. Not saying it's better than the ones above (I rank Atlantis and Jacks Open above it), but it's gotta be up there for pure "fun".
Yup
I would put it ahead of Lawman/Sheriff and 300/Top Score IMHO
Heretic_9 only wanted to know about Atlantis vs C-37 and this thread has now morphed into several games - typical huh?
Quoted from PinballFever:How about 2" flipper games?
Bruce
Kings and Queens
King of Diamonds/Diamond Jack
North Star
Buckaroo/Cow Poke
Sing a Long/Melody
Target Pool/Mini Pool
2001/Dimension
Drop a Card/Pop a Card
Just a few good games........lot's of other opinions out there
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Quoted from PhilGreg:OK, thanks for the tip... I have a retheme project in mind, maybe I'll pick it up for that purpose anyway. Doesn't sound like its an a-lister either so I don't think I want to put in the effort... I'll save that for my solid black North Star
Central Park is a good player imho and I enjoyed it the year it was in my collection - hated to let it go. One of the games where good nudging skills are needed. The theme, artwork, and backglass animation with the monkey makes it special. I would repaint it to original, throw a new backglass in it, and find a lot less desireable game to re-theme.
It's your game though if you do get it.....
Just my .02
Another Big Hit hit ebay for $750 starting bid:
ebay.com link: Big Hit baseball theme pinball wedge head Gottlieb
2001 with no reserve in Cali
Rough cab, bg pretty good except for the score reel guide rubs, pf looks pretty decent with a little wear down low, sounds like it's playing according to seller
Quoted from Pinballprowess:Man, that IS a rough cabinet. Playfield looks 'fair'... although probably could have done without the post somebody had put between the flippers at one time. And it almost looks like 'one' post hole wasn't enough for them?? Sheesh.... the dumb things people do to these games.
I realize this one needs a lot of love. But, if you can get it cheap enough it would be a good players game.
Heck, it's sitting at 99 cents last I looked.
I liked my Crosstown when I had it for a couple of years.
Interestingly enough, Sing Along incorporates the same four top rollovers as Crosstown with the same pass-through gate directly below at the top center of the playfield. It also has the same double rollover side lanes as Crosstown. They both have 4 pop-bumpers but they are spaced slightly differently. The center targets are also different. Sing Along squeezed in 4 horizontal relay kick-out holes in the middle of the pf. Crosstown has two dead bumpers down low where Sing Along has stand-up targets. IMHO Sing Along has the better rule set of the two. Crosstown has the elevator door animation unit (a plus). Same layout in several areas but also many differences........
Both good games to own.
Quoted from o-din:Oooo Trade Winds...yeah I like that one!
There's been a Trade Winds for sale for $600 near me (90 min away) for at least a month now. I thought it would have sold by now.
I agree - seven hours is a long drive for a game with with a flaked backglass. Looks like a bgresto candidate. I figured someone would make him an offer for maybe $300 - $400 which they may already have. He could be not budging on his price.
Here's the Trade Winds I'm talking about:
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Quoted from D-Gottlieb:Mystery solved! The ipdb entry for Volley mentions chipboard being used for the playfield instead of plywood on the ones with the painted flipper area.
I had a Big Hit and it was the same way. Also, chipped board was used on Jacks Open (mine is plywood) and Volley as you stated. No rhyme or reason to the quantities made and numbering system. They were just trying to cut costs and try something new at the time. Here's a quote from Tim Arnold on IPDB:
Tim Arnold contacted us with the following information for 'Big Hit', 1976 'Volley', and 1977 'Jacks Open' which explains the different playfields:
I have noticed a mystery on these three games I can solve for you. I have had many examples of these machines over the years. Playfields with PAINT over [flipper] swipe area and top arch are made of CHIPBOARD! I first saw this at Cleveland Coin back in the day when we were thinking of buying the game off the floor. Our salesman told us to take one in the box as the painted over area was "Pressed wood". I later talked to Cliff Strain [in Sales] at an annual trade show. He told me they were trying new materials because of a spike in the price of plywood. I have had two of these three machines since then, and the paint seems to stick to the wood just fine, but the surface turns rough and bumpley (sic) under the paint.
Quoted from D-Gottlieb:Yep. I am glad that my Volley is not chipboard. I didn't know that some were when I bought it so I guess I am lucky. I knew that pretty much every Gottlieb EM I have ever seen uses bare wood for the flipper area, so I would have investigated a little bit, but I doubt that I would have realized the potential problems this can cause.
I personally would still buy any of the three painted composite playfields (Jacks Open, Big Hot, Volley) as long as the playfields were not subjected to a wet, humid environment. The paint bubbling I had with my Big Hit was very slight and not noticeable to the naked eye. I also had some spider-cracking which was very minor too. My playfield had always been in a dry environment. It looked better than a lot of plywood playfields I've had with graining/planking.
Vic Camp had a nice white Big Hit playfield he sold.
Here's a couple pics of the one I sold.......
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Ice Revue in MA on ebay - no reserve:
Quoted from Vitty:ebay.com link » Rare Working Gottleib Hit The Deck Pinball Machine Only 375 Made
Hit the Deck, a tad rough though
Boilerman brought up this game on another thread last night. That playfield would be tough to match the skin on the girl. Then, add the K insert wear along with other inserts, kick out hole wear, and planking/graining. The rest of the game doesn't look too bad. I wish I was sitting on a playfield right about now.
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MPC price guide says <24 Add-a-Ball's were produced.
Gottlieb asked Williams to not use Add-a-Ball as the name and they re-introduced it and changed the name to Skill-Ball in 1961 - 650 made
Vic Camp has a pic of a Skil-Ball on the IPDB.
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Quoted from Tuna_Delight:I'm downsizing my EM collection. Feel free to PM me with any questions. Thanks.
Spot Bowler
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Space Ship
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Vagabond
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Flipper Pool
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Strike Zone
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4 Mil BC
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That must be the Flipper Pool I sold you around seven years ago or so?
It went from Ohio to IL to WA - it's certainly traveling some miles and not done yet 
Good luck with your sale Tim!
Quoted from pinhead52:Very nice Flipper Cowboy...Just needs a paint job. pf looks very nice
ebay.com link » 1962 Gottlieb Flipper Cowboy Animated Add A Ball Aab Wedgehead Pinball Machine
I've bought/sold games from/to this guy with good results - he's been doing this quite awhile.
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Here's my Hi Straight on ebay in case you missed it. Flippers are on the sides of the playfield. IPDB says Molentin did the artwork but someone mentioned it looks more Roy Parker. The blonde looks similar to the girl on GTB '65 Kings and Queens.
Quoted from jrpinball:Oh, gosh. Undubittably Parker!!!
Didn't know this was your game, hoov. Are you going to Allentown? If so, don't bring it. I don't need the temptation!I'm not going but Brian Saunders is coming to my place to pick up a 2001 that's going out to Allentown. So, Brian and I would be glad to load it
Quoted from pinwiztom:To me it is obviously Parker.
Agree.......
Quoted from jrpinball:There was allegedly a pinball artist you never hear about named Louis Reynaud or Raynard or something like that. Tim Arnold mentions him in one of his old "Pinball Gerbil" tapes.
A google search shows Louis Raynaud did the artwork on these Williams games:
'71 Zodiac: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2841
'71 Planets: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1811
'68 Lady Luck: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1404
4 weeks later
Quoted from pinwiztom:Hope you get it
without having to sell your soul.
Looks like it is in at least decent shape.
Quoted from o-din:How bout lets leave that one to the beaver hunter.
You're probably not going to get that Eager Beaver o-din but if you are:
You might want to google rgp archives for that sellers business name
Be careful out there.........
4 weeks later
"Action Hero" playfield (table top) and head (back):
ebay.com link: VINTAGE GOTTLIEB ACTION HERO PINBALL TABLE TOP
ebay.com link: VINTAGE GOTTLIEB ACTION HERO PINBALL BACK
Pretty good flaking in the bg....
3 weeks later
Quoted from CactusJack:Hasn't she graduated yet?
Yes, law student now with aspirations of becoming a lawyer.......
Quoted from o-din:For less than that total you can get these two.
ebay.com link » Williams Sea Wolf 1959 Pinball Machine Woodrail Rare
ebay.com link » Williams Gusher Pinball Machine Woodrail Rare
Hmnn,
Sea Wolf appeared to be in the back of dirtflipper's vehicle yesterday. Coincidence maybe?
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Quoted from Shapeshifter:ebay.com link » Hi Diver Gottlieb 1959
Working condition - yeah right!
The lights work!
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Quoted from boilerman:as far as rare, like odin said at one time I thought 800 production runs were rare but really anything under 450 is the rare number to me now. and some of the early bally and William games that don't have a production run figure but they must of been sub 500 because you see so few of them. a old pinball guy once told me that a good estimate of how many games survived is 10-20% of production. so by that thinking em joker poker should have between 80 -160 games floating around out there.
I am guessing that this em joke poker sells for around 3500. rare game always sell and to the right buyer it sells for more than most of us would pay. remember the Gemini(300 made) that pinball girl sold?
The interesting thing about rarity is how many games stayed in the US vs how many of them were shipped overseas.
Take Dimension for example at 490 and Hit the Deck at 375 - I own both. You see Dimension come up for sale more than Hit the Deck because the production numbers seem to show it and more people are holding on to HTD.
But, take an example that was shipped overseas and not considered an Italian version for instance, and a few of them made it back to the states - now that's rare to us in the states!
Quoted from boilerman:and all most all asteroid annies went to Canada
Hey Dave,
Didn't a lot of Strange World's go to Canada too?
Quoted from ZNET:The lion's share of the 229 Blue Notes and the 268 Rock Stars went initially to Canada.
O'din's Joker Poker EM, as depicted in post #5188 above, was pretty spectacular. My JP EM (shown below) demanded considerable restoration work; however, the end result was acceptable.
My game arrived with a blemish-free backglass. However, the reds had faded dramatically. The last photo shows the original backglass with some of the reds appearing as flesh tones, e.g. hair color of the jester in the foreground should be dark red, not flesh tone. Ultimately, I acquired a replacement original backglass which escaped fading (as shown in the first two photos).
Good info. Bruce. Thanks for sharing!
Again, awesome collection.........
Quoted from MikeO:Nice work, Dave.
Thanks Mike
We put a lot of hours into these games but the end result is the best part.
Thanks to Dirtflipper for helping me with the one last mechanical issue I had.
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Great job hoov.
I would think it would be sold by Monday as that is a good price and a nice looking game.
Thanks Ken.
That's what I'm hoping. I have to move the game out of our sales building before we open for a fall festival. I feel it's priced right to move.
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