I'd much rather have an above average original with flaws than a restored "perfect" machine. Hell, probably even one that's less than average.

Definitely leave it that way. Maybe fix things like the inserts (and lamp sockets) but the other stuff is just is what it is to me. Replacement backglasses or even playfields is "okay" too, but on an okay original you shouldn't need either of those things even if they're not perfect.

Those look like they've been sitting outside and I've seen other pictures in another ad that there were old mice nests (disgusting.) on the playfields. I'm betting that they're not the same machine(s), but maybe...

Now if only it was Bally El Toro...

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You'd be surprised, that title sits for a while. I wouldn't pay that for it, not sure if others would. Certainly not a "get up and go" deal either, if anything it's retail. There was one for $250 that sat around here for a while on CL. If you actually could get up there I'd say you have like 2 or 3 weeks to do so.

To be picky, that "Rawhide" is the Stern version after they took over Chicago Coin. Pretty sure it's the same exact thing, though, besides the tiny "Stern" text above the name.

Every single EM I've ever owned (buying it knowing it was complete) never crucially needed parts besides universal things like leg brackets, rubbers, etc. (which won't be a problem to find of course). They are usually not "replace parts" machines they are "adjust/clean parts" machines (SS games usually are opposite, at least in parts where they differ from EM games), and I would guess it's complete. Anything that needs replaced would likely be interchangeable from something else and these games almost look like Williams games so I wonder if they just used Williams parts.

I'd buy it, but I have no money and no space anymore for things that just have some "cool factor". Going to stop jumping on random things, learn to say no, and start saving up (getting a good job soon) for some really nice stuff that I want to seek out rather than games always seeking me out. Getting deals has it's benefits though, never paid over $500 for any individual game in my collection (and that was my Comet, then $400 Devil's Dare, next maximum is $300 which is when things start to average out around there).

Wonder who will guess it. Jackbot? Funhouse?

I sent him an e-mail a few hours ago (no reply yet) Here's hoping I can grab it.

They were "Sky Lab"s pulled off the line and stripped of a replay arm and the original glass whenever one was ordered, the story goes.

Unfortunately somebody did the 5-reels mod to that machine & glass

Operators did this as apparently it looked more appealing.

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"Non-stop"

So slow you could probably get a drink and come back without losing your ball

"Own it and chicks will dig you."

"Hey baby, wanna take it back to my place and check out my 1975 Williams Toledo pinball machine?"

$1,400, sheesh. You'd have to pay me to take a Chicago Coin machine at this point.

My first machine is a Chicago Coin ("Showtime", check out IPDB for the blandest playfield arrangement ever) and I set it up again just to eventually repair my newbie mistakes and maybe even give it a spot in the lineup just for nostalgia's/extreme variety's sake but I'm already planning to take it down again before it even found a permanent spot for it. I'll be keeping it, but I think storage it is. Limited room.

A lot of their 60's games look interesting and possibly even fun but a lot of the 70's games are just so so bad, I don't even know how they sold. A pain in the ass to maintain too, not very reliable and apparently never were. I hate to say it, but pure junk. I still have a special spot in my heart for mine though and I will never be able to break even on it so I don't mind keeping it around. Pretty nice condition too besides the backglass.

Ew, a BALLY?!

Just messing with you after reading that other thread regarding the manufacturer debate, forget which one. Bally is a-okay in my book! Although maybe not Chicago Coin as stated, but I simply can't part with my first game.

Oh good, hahaha.

Unfortunately once I'm done with this poor Star-Jet (where all parts were clipped from the harness and had the cabinet smashed to pieces) I'll probably never ever get rid of it. Too much soldering and schematic-searching to ever put a price on.

Saved it from a part-out. Bleh... (Warning, pretty graphic video on all fronts. Might hurt the soul, especially given the desirability and rarity.)

Yeah. Crazy, I know. However the bottom board wasn't clipped/pieced apart yet, just the head. If the bottom board was clipped apart I probably would have let it go.

I realized even reusing the old harness from the head (even though it was cut kind of short in some spots) would be much easier than remaking it, just going to extend the wires where need be. I just sit there with a schematic and have at it. Still have a while to go though, been spending a lot of time away from it, need to find some more time to sit down and get a lot done.

Still searching for an original February '63 to February '66 cabinet to use for it, and if it's from a single player I'd just build the head. The cabinet is very particular though and having the lockdown piece that is attached to the cabinet would definitely help so I'm waiting on that route first.

Some call it the "EM grail" though, and I also took an interest in it before this whole opportunity came up, so I jumped on it as these never seem to come up, and if one did it would probably be way out of my price range.

It's funny, just in one thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/em-wishlist-list-your-game-projectsshopped-and-wkng-etc-and-location-here?tq=jet&tu

One on my list, however that drive certainly is not! (obviously )

What would you pay for it, and what would you pay for a working Star-Jet? Genuinely curious. I don't think I got an awful deal. I certainly did not pay buy-it-now price on all those items if that's what you're thinking. This seems like the second or third time you've said this to somebody on here, all that soldering doesn't bug me. Just takes time, it's like a puzzle with flipping through the schematic. Fun story to tell too. Something I can be even more proud of at the end.

The amount I paid for it will not go to waste, it will bring me great enjoyment both in building and playing, and also others because I'm pretty committed to bringing it to shows since it seems even a lot of collectors have never played one. Worth it to me. I think I paid a lot less then you think I did...

Most important to ask is how the hell he got the girl

Years ago I passed on a Royal Guard at the York show after waiting too long and somebody bought it ahead of me even after I texted the guy (meaning the seller sold it to somebody who texted after, grrrr), and at that point I didn't know of the EM craze and how great wedgeheads were and my mom and I weren't sure if $300 was a good deal for it given the age.

I'm never buying a Royal Guard/Palace Guard if it's more than $300, LOL. I'd kick myself even more.

Everybody always says bad things about this game, I wanna try one one day. The art is really cool. I wonder if it would do well in a big collection.

Also, don't mean to rain on your parade of calling it flawless, but it looks like all the plastics (actually these might just be only yellowed, they used very light colors on the plastics on this game, fixable) and the backglass are badly sun-faded, just letting you know. Maybe you could find a replacement if it's a big deal to you.

Here's a non-faded glass, compare the "KING KOOL" text, the girl's shirt, and the guitars, let alone the rest:

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Playfield looks really nice and un-faded though. Nonetheless, nice pickup! Should clean-up great.

Ahh yes, the "1070's"...

I want a Jive Time. Too bad shipping would probably kill it. I wonder how much it would be? That one looks pretty nice.

Now I just gotta figure out the "O-din gasoline fee and hold for 3 months while I scrounge up $400 fee".

I don't see them come up around here much, must be a California type of game. Either they don't come up here or they're pretty beat.

EDIT: Only 465 made? Geez. I guess that explains it. Honestly may try to seek somebody out to do this who has the space. Wish I had the shipping money up front though. That looks like a pretty Jive Time. Argh!

What state did you end up finding it in, anyways?

I thought they just really needed glasses but judging by the description it sounds like they have a "Baseball" head that comes with it as well?

Oh, nevermind. I see what they mean. It comes with a "World Series" playfield. Weird. Do they even work together?

Welp, here goes nothing:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/anybody-in-san-bernardinolake-arrowhead-california#post-3271936

He said it's up in his cabin of all places. Cool spot for a pinball machine, just doubt an STI truck could get up there. Could be on a more than suitable road though, I'll have to ask a few more questions. Never been down that way before. I sure hope so, I think finding somebody to do this is gonna be difficult as is.

Jive Time ($250) is on the way to mikeincali's house tomorrow for storage then off to mine once I save up enough money to ship it. (Already paid for machine + transport fee)

A lot of people talk shit on this game but I'm in it for the cool art and I really wanna have some fun with the spinning wheel. Should be a nice addition in my upcoming 70's Williams single player row. Probably won't do as bad in a bigger collection as people think, it's a love it or hate it kind of gave and the reviews show that. I tend to like everything.

I am hoping the condition is as good as it looks in the pictures (seems like nearly all Jive Times have the flipper wear, it's weird) or I guess I gave myself a really big life lesson of to ask for many more. I've asked myself why I'm dropping so much on THIS game but it's just one of those things I want to experience (shipping) and this game never pops up around here and I really like the aspect of it. Much cheaper than shipping a $1,000 game at least! Looks to be in pretty nice shape from the pictures. I also want to be prepared for when I actually have enough money to ship more expensive games and get the wrap around on an experience with STI and whatnot.

Maybe not worth it to some, but just needed to splurge a little. With it on "layaway" that will help a lot too. It's gonna be a keeper anyways so not worried about losing money. Fingers crossed, and have a safe trip Mike (and Jive Time too).

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Yeah, great condition. They actually look worth the price. Nice.

"Needs replacement rubber band" WITH THAT PRICE??????? /sarcasm

I love how specific they are, while some people call the most beaten, awful examples of a machine "nearly perfect".

Damn, looks like I'm all out

Look at that condition, and for $300!

Time to throw out the couch...

Love the story behind that, wish I had that kind of info for any of my machines besides states/countries!

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Wow, HUO since the 70's too. Wish my wallet was full! (Mainly interested in the Rocket III like anybody else I'm sure)'

Love how he put:

"Bally's Kicker III
and Rocket III"

That would be a Chicago Coin Kicker, sir.

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Wasn't expecting you of all people to say that! You need to find one somewhere. There's a nice one at the Silverball Museum (I think it's still there) here in New Jersey but that's quite a trek for a game of pinball that you can't even take home.

Didn't you un-diversify a while back though? It's cool how it runs in like waves. I remember back when you replaced a bunch of your modern games with woodrails.

Target Alpha. Unless it really is a project. Then that's a cool alias for it.

Are you kidding me, look at that left flipper, it stays up forever! It can cradle the ball and you'll never lose! That has to be worth at least an extra $1,000

There ya go, 1974DeltaQueen!

Second picture: Nobody commented on this yet surprisingly, that dude needs to put some clothes on! Aah!

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Not sure if gifted or just saggy

He must have been testing that Spirit of '76 (or hopefully, and it's not an issue), unless he has two friends that are REALLY bad at pinball...

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Not 300. It is Super Soccer/Soccer. "Spinning targets" and "kickout holes", and everything else he says matches. Super Soccer has a 7.5 IPDB rating while Soccer has a 7.4 IPDB rating, which matches his given number. 7,130 units of Super Soccer were produced, which matches his number. Soccer had 2,900 produced. Narrow it down with the "backglass animation" thing (the balls), and you get a much better idea.

All (meaning those two and your noted "300"/Top Score) 4 were made in 1975 rather than 1974 as the description states.

Now the only question is Joe, are you truly a "Classy Bowler"? Any good? Or more of a gutter ball kind of guy?

All of the 60's Bally games are like forgotten in time sans Trio and the occasionally Hootenanny due to the low production numbers of all of them Ryan got lucky finding that Hay-Ride, and I have Star-Jet of course. I want a Sheba as well, one day it'd be nice to own a few of them, but so little of any of them seem to still exist and the only reason Star-Jet is so rare and desirable but still has a few good examples around is due to the desirability - it's a shame the other games didn't get the same fate/luck it seems.

Although Mad World's art kind of creeps me out (reminds me of 60's medicine with the aspirin and the doctors and everything lol), it would be cool to own one as well one day.

Make sure the head is already detached...

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I was bidding on that Tiger for the last few seconds and let it go when somebody bid like $450 or something like that. I guess with the NOS glass it's okay but in that condition I was not going to go that high.

Jeez, Johnny sounds like a hot-shot, but that's the last face I would imagine any of those girls would want to wake up to! Might cause a scream!

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I do admire the theme though, and the "point" of it. I guess Johnny is the dreamy lifeguard/sailor. Loved by women, surfer men, and schnauzers.

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Is Rancho that good of a game? I know NicoVolta really wants one as well. I love my 70's Williams multiplayers and they are very very solid games - but my Rancho sits in my garage disassembled, never tried it out yet. Picked it up for $100 or $200 a few months back, whatever it was. Guy calls me up and says "Want anything else?", so brought home an $80 Triple Strike too in mint condition and that ended up becoming the "main game" of the deal that got set up in my garage first, just dirty and missing the backglass. He had a Super Star for $80 too but I already had a mint one and wouldn't of had room in my truck anyways - no sleep lost over passing on that one.

He was headed to the area too so he delivered both (met him somewhere convenient for him about 15-20 minutes away) for that price as well from Connecticut.

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Mint is subjective and a lot of people here are super picky but not a wear mark on the playfield from what I can see and the cabinet is pretty spotless besides under the legs. Just needs mechanical love and it was filled with cat hair, which if you read my posts, is my arch nemesis as I'm slightly allergic and it's impossible to get all the hair and dander out of the wiring and it just grosses me out. So it never made it into the basement yet. Hopefully one day.

Also, that being said a lot of Williams games don't get the eBay love they deserve, so no I'm not high, it really was in pretty nice shape although listed as a rough project with bad pictures.

I feel like I underpaid for every single Williams game I own (minus maybe one or two if that), actually...

Some people would buy a Gottlieb on fire and race there to put it out for $200. I love my Gottliebs and appreciate the low cost deal pricing you can sometimes get on Williams games but they sure deserve to be closer together.

My Strato-Flite and Liberty Bell (both FANTASTIC games, like wow, especially Liberty Bell - both have really really fun rules and DC pop bumpers/flippers) came to me in really nice condition as well, both for really really cheap. Strato-Flite was $100, Liberty Bell was $250 I believe, my Space Mission was $100, etc., etc...

I'd call you insanely crazy but that'd be unfitting considering you're about to go off on your pinball tour across the US & Canada and back

Convenient...

You don't have your location set on Pinside, how am I to know

Except you don't get all the cool "now entering this state" signs! (I'd probably have the nice weather and palm trees instead though... as I do believe you're from Southern CA, no?)

My friend has two of them, one his dad bought him and his brother when they were kids, and a really nice one he bought as a collector. The playfield was so bad on the childhood one he painted it a maroon color and sectioned off some arrows/text on the playfield to not paint over. Plays great. Apparently he sold it or gave it away at one point but couldn't live without it.

That's because the game came out in 1964 I love how these CL sellers always assume "50's". A good way to tell is if it's a woodrail or not. The big shift from woodrail to metal rail started in 1960 conveniently enough (thus being "60's"). So if it's "50's" - it's likely woodrail.

That is one minty Bally machine, pretty too. If I had the money I would make him and offer, but alas...

I like the "clarinet score" layout with the kickout hole. Cool. Clean game/example, too. Can't beat all that factory documentation either, truly a beautiful sight.

Now, which one is you? Can't imagine you'd be just a spectator...

Especially the backglass, I've seen some pretty bad ones on Skill Pool.

Joker Poker EM and Minstrel Man, and a Gemini on the far left

An ode to incorrect Craigslist sellers everywhere

Maybe at $300 or $350. Looks like the head was repainted wrongly but has webbing on it, hmm.

Surprised you're not doing a backglass switch with that Sweet Hearts Vic, may be a little too much risk over reward though...

Oof, yeah, nevermind anyways then.

Big Top is actually fairly desirable as it is one of the very very few multiplayer add-a-ball machines by Gottlieb and by anybody.

Don't forget about the other two! O-din would be in love over that Pit Stop, me too