(Topic ID: 189721)

Solenoid shorted, now MPU is dead

By Brewchap

6 years ago



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#1 6 years ago

Williams system 6 Laser Ball
Solenoid 2 shorted out blowing out Q16 and resistors. Looks like it also took out solenoid 1, 3, and 4 transistors and resistors. I pulled the driver board and replaced the bad components. When I placed the driver board back in to the machine, I noticed that I had 2 solid red lights and the MPU will not boot up. It will not boot up with a test room either.

What chip on the MPU is comman to the blown solenoid that I can test or pull?

And what would cause a solenoid to have a dead short?

#2 6 years ago

It's possible you blew the PIA that controls those solenoids. Sometimes a bad pia can keep the mpu from booting, but that shouldn't stop the test ROM. Try booting the test ROM without the driver board connected.

#3 6 years ago

Tried with the driver board remove and still have the 2 red lights. I even went as far to remove all socketed chips. IC20,13, 19(nvram), 20 and 14. I also swapped out the MPU IC1.
In the back of my head I keep thinking that in need to check the 7408 AND chip.

#4 6 years ago

Well, looking for a short cut ain't gonna cut it. I pulled all socketed chips and the 7408 and socketed that one also. Going to double-check the blanking and the chrystal. The only other chip that I can think of that could keep the mpu from booting would be C11 74LS10. That chip is common with everything on the board if I remember right.

See what happens....

#5 6 years ago

Is it common that when something gives on the driver board that the mpu goes also?

#6 6 years ago

Was the wire continuity checked against playfield shorts?
Was the game grounding checked?
Were the voltage test points validated?
Were the coil diodes tested?
Were the solenoid board pre drivers and diodes tested?
Was the MPU driver logic solenoid signal tested and verified?

After all these checks then finally test the transistors.
If you replace the transistors and did not test the rest, the problem was assumed not validated.
You may have not fixed the problem and possibly caused repeated repair work or even damaged the game further.
Especially, if the diodes were not checked.

Work from the beginning, start simple, and move forward in the above order, do not jump steps.
Pay close attention to the orientation of the coil diodes.

#7 6 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

Is it common that when something gives on the driver board that the mpu goes also?

It can happen if there are short circuits, improper voltage, or swapping IDC connectors into wrong locations.

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