(Topic ID: 250755)

So what's the deal with copyright stuff?


By harryhoudini

5 months ago



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    #1 5 months ago

    Jack from JJP made a big stink about this on a podcast a bit ago, basically saying that modders shouldn't infringe on the IP of the people he's licensed from. I don't know why he has to be involved, it should be between IP holders and those who are infringing but I am guessing he is covering his butt.

    That being said, what is the deal with putting logos and other copyrighted material in your mods? I see people selling stuff with artwork, logos and such that I know they didn't license. Is everyone just flying under the radar? I've dealt with enough IP and licensing stuff in the graphic design world that I try to stay away from all licensing issues but it's hard to compete with someone selling items for a game that uses a licensed logo which they aren't licensing.

    #2 5 months ago

    I've been interested in this same thing ... curious to hear feedback/input. If I build a StarWars topper with the likeness of C3PO and R2D2, do I need a license or just go for it?

    #3 5 months ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    I've been interested in this same thing ... curious to hear feedback/input. If I build a StarWars topper with the likeness of C3PO and R2D2, do I need a license or just go for it?

    If its a one off for yourself, it is fine. Kinda like if I need drop target decals for IJ, I just used an nos one and had 3 made.

    #4 5 months ago

    If you build a mod for personal use, it’s ok to use anything you want. In order to sell the mod with licensed material, you legally need permission from the license holder. Will a big corporation come after a mod-maker? Probably not, but they could legally shut down someone making unlicensed mods. Best to not sell anything that would require permission from a license

    #5 5 months ago
    Quoted from harryhoudini:

    I don't know why he has to be involved

    Because JJP is the licensor, and depending on the license agreement, JJP might be responsible for enforcing copyrights surrounding the product that uses the IP.

    If JJP doesn't protect the IP, then JJP could potentially lose the license.

    But again, that all depends on what's spelled out in the license agreement.

    Quoted from harryhoudini:

    Is everyone just flying under the radar?

    Most probably are. Until someone goes into serious mass production, repeatedly uses IP without permission (especially for profit), or makes the brand look bad in some way, it's usually not worth a lawyer's time to go after them.

    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    If I build a StarWars topper with the likeness of C3PO and R2D2, do I need a license or just go for it?

    Star Wars is a bit of a different animal when it comes to copyright. Traditionally, Lucasfilm has allowed people to play in the universe, so long as it's clear it's not an official work, and it's not for commercial promotion or profit. Not all copyright owners allow that. But, that's part of the reason why Star Wars specifically has thrived--allowing fans to explore their creativity and keeping the IP alive and relevant in the process.

    But in general, making something with someone else's IP for personal use only is generally ok, but making it for others is generally not.

    #6 5 months ago

    Gotcha.. so fly under the radar.

    #7 5 months ago

    or design something that isn't copyrightable - something generic.
    Volcanos obviously can't be copyrighted... but a specific shape/sculpture can.
    A ship can't be copyrighted; but if it has a similar shape to a POTC ship with the same name... you're asking from trouble.

    At least that's my take. Good luck if JJP tried to enforce a copyright on a pinball part that is generic.

    #8 5 months ago

    Makes it hard to compete when you are trying to offer the "generic" goods. I mean, I use royalty free stuff or buy some cheaply licensed images in many cases but can't skirt around using a logo.

    #9 5 months ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Star Wars is a bit of a different animal when it comes to copyright. Traditionally, Lucasfilm has allowed people to play in the universe, so long as it's clear it's not an official work, and it's not for commercial promotion or profit. Not all copyright owners allow that. But, that's part of the reason why Star Wars specifically has thrived--allowing fans to explore their creativity and keeping the IP alive and relevant in the process.

    Slowly but surely good ol’ Disney is gonna make sure that no longer happens lol. Money-hungry Disney isn’t afraid to go after even the smallest operations, so I’m quite surprised with the mod community thriving with licensed pins of Disney. I mean they don’t mind tackling a child’s grave or a day care.
    Strange...

    #10 5 months ago
    Quoted from harryhoudini:

    Jack from JJP made a big stink about this on a podcast a bit ago, basically saying that modders shouldn't infringe on the IP of the people he's licensed from. I don't know why he has to be involved, it should be between IP holders and those who are infringing but I am guessing he is covering his butt.

    No, it's usually part of the agreement when you license something. You agree to defend against infringement as a licensee of the IP or item, etc. I've never seen a licensing contract without that clause. He's doing what he's contractually obligated to do. In fact, I was surprised that stuff you had that included actual different art from the movies didn't get a cease and desist since it wasn't just "inspired by" the movies.

    As long as you're making mods using licensed stuff for yourself, you're good. It's when you start making mods with licensed or copyrighted IP/art them available for sale or whatever to others that you step over the line.

    #11 5 months ago

    For trademarked items you have to enforce even a minor commercial infraction or you may loose the ability to enforce it at all .

    I eat in a tiny vegetarian restaurant that sold Arnold palmers . They were contacted to stop using the name on the drink. The place has 6 seats.

    #12 5 months ago
    Quoted from Zitt:

    or design something that isn't copyrightable - something generic.
    Volcanos obviously can't be copyrighted... but a specific shape/sculpture can.
    A ship can't be copyrighted; but if it has a similar shape to a POTC ship with the same name... you're asking from trouble.
    At least that's my take. Good luck if JJP tried to enforce a copyright on a pinball part that is generic.

    Thats pretty accurate.
    In another thread somebody was talking about Robin Hood as a licensed them.
    Robin Hood is public domain and does not require any kind of license.
    However, if you were going to make a Robin Hood theme that depicted the Disney cartoon Rendering of Robin Hood that would require licensing though Disney.

    #13 5 months ago

    In another life I used to make replica movie props. I know people who received C&D letters after a few dozen and some after a few hundred items produced. What I found was earning that C&D letter was more about who's bad side you were on or who's "side business" you were threatening vs actively being sought out by license holders. It just takes one person to send an anonymous email.

    #14 5 months ago
    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    Slowly but surely good ol’ Disney is gonna make sure that no longer happens lol. Money-hungry Disney isn’t afraid to go after even the smallest operations, so I’m quite surprised with the mod community thriving with licensed pins of Disney. I mean they don’t mind tackling a child’s grave or a day care.
    Strange...

    A friend of mine makes product for Chryslers, Chrysler sent him a C&D for including decals that they had copyright on like "SRT" "Air Grabber" Super Bee"

    Mind you they were not whining about the product, but the decals that were included. This took all of a hot 2-3 weeks after he started his business.. So if you think you are too small to be noticed, there is companies that have people who do nothing but look for infringing items.

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