I'm blown away by the amount of denial here. People, wake up. We're in a "process" of a massive revelation. The GOVERNMENT just admitted UFO's are REAL. They are physical MACHINES with technology "at least 100 to 1000 years ahead of us". They are INTELLIGENT (these are the pilots and witnesses own words for describing how they move). There is zero chance of some innocent explanation.

Barack Obama himself even went on James Corden Monday night and confirmed "these machines and these stories are real and I'm being absolutely serious." I know the government has been doing a fantastic job for decades to convince everyone to call people nuts for believing in UFO's but they can no longer keep it a secret and they KNOW they must slowly allow this acceptance to grow in people's minds.

AND PEOPLE .. for the love of GOD, the government absolutely has high-resolution video and photos. They only provide grainy video to allow a slim amount of deniability in your mind so you don't go into shock. Evidence of this?? YES ... in the one video of the "sphere" that splashes into the ocean (confirmed authentic by the Navy) ... more than one Navy person all at once scream "it splashed". However, can you see a splash in the video? No. But, those Navy personnel were staring at monitors ... that clearly must have had high resolution (they were not standing out on the deck of the ship.) So, do you really think the Navy records video on an old VHS VCR?? No, of course not. They downgraded the video so not to cause a complete panic. They're slowly working this new revelation into people's minds.

I think this is precisely the thinking of someone in denial (to think it's just American tech if even reverse-engineered). Pilots are highly intelligent people. When they say (literally) that they do not believe any human beings on Earth possesses the technology or intelligence they witnessed firsthand and it was at least 100-1000 years ahead of us, they are telling the truth. We cannot reverse engineer something that far ahead of us. We have our limits. You could not hand an iPhone to people living 1000 years ago and say, go ahead, reverse engineer it. They wouldn't know where to begin with such advanced technology. We're smart but we have limits and my guess is trying to understand anti-gravity, anti-inertia capabilities is beyond our limit currently.
BTW, if our government HAS been witnessing these "intelligent" moving unidenfitfied advanced machines for decades (that they now admit they see basically daily) ... do you not think they've attempted contact and communication?
And yes, if they wanted to kill us they could do it in an instant. But there is plenty of anectdotal evidence that they are friendly and are more interested in saving us from ourselves. You'll note, they are highly inquisitive of our most advanced military crafts/ships/weapons.
AND ... there isn't just one species visiting us. Likely dozens. I know, it's a lot to take in.

And the patent for anti-inertia to withstand 600 G's? And the patent for a trans-medium craft (going from air directly into sea in the blink of an eye)? And for silent, even invisible propulsion that can go 13,000 MPH? And the patent for remotely pre-determining the destination point of a craft you're shadowing? (It was observed the "machine" somehow knew the CAP point of these jets in advance.) Sure, it's all just DARPA and we're SO far ahead of every other country. Come on. Our government is trying to tell you the truth ... there are machines we see daily that we cannot explain. If you cannot connect the dots, don't worry, there will be more and more revelations (the next being the Congressional report due out next month) and eventually the truth will be undeniable and staring you in your face (possibly literally). You might want to open your mind to the possibility we're most certainly not alone which, given the size of the Universe much less our galaxy alone, really should not be all that surprising. We literally never had direct evidence of another planet outside of our solar system until 1988. Since then we've discovered thousands of planets including plenty that are high candidates for being Earth-like and capable of supporting life. We're not as special as we thought. Shocker.

lol. The United States government literally just told you they are real (including former President Barack Obama himself) but you insist they are not? The government must be hiding some DARPA project even though the government is apparently testing these DARPA craft on our own military and allowing those military personnel to speak publicly?? Makes a lot of sense.
Our reality has been (and continues to be) so ignorant it's astonishing. I fear those incapable of even entertaining the thought we're far from alone are precisely the ones who will die of a heart attack when "they" reveal themselves en masse.

Here is what is new ... the government is admitting these "machines" are real, that they display technology "at least 100 to 1000 years ahead of us", seem "aware of us", invade our airspace regularly and with impunity, and we don't know what they are. That's pretty "new". IMO Obama appeared almost taken aback by Reggie's laughing and the crowd's reaction which is why he then said " ... but I'm being absolutely serious here folks, ... ". He was literally trying to tell people what was reported on 60 Minutes is REAL. There are not innocent explanations for these "machines" (the pilots and others own word they repeatedly used.) They are exhibiting technology far beyond what humans are capable of and pretending "maybe it's just another DARPA project" is not a potential explanation.

So of course the government is not going to reveal all that they know at once. There are plenty of people who could not handle the shock and revelation. A mass panic could easily be a threat to our economy, society, and way of life. So of course Obama's not going to reveal whether we've made contact and other major revelations. Obama even said on that show that there are things he cannot reveal. The government has to let society's minds slowly open up to the idea that we're not alone which is why they're not (yet) showing you the high-resolution photos and videos (or radar tracking information for that matter) that they have.

BTW, Lou Elizondo dropped another bombshell when he confirmed "The United States is in possession of exotic material, and I'll leave it at that ...". These are major revelations with no innocent explanations. Start opening your mind to jaw-dropping possibilities. Next month's Congressional report will have more bombshells.

I fly way too frequently. I've never even saw much less caught a fighter jet of any kind (especially a Stealth fighter) on video while flying but I have high confidence they do really exist.

The military is witnessing them most frequently because they are the ones worth studying.

In the '60 Minutes' episode they interviewed 2 of the 4 pilots (one of whom is a Top Gun graduate) who witnessed the 'tic tac' machine firsthand in 2004 (off the West coast) and they described these inexplicable behaviors of the craft which they observed for about 5 minutes before it took off and "disappeared" in the blink of an eye. These are some highly credible sources and not Jim Bob from Kentucky describing what he saw after drinking a 6-pack at the campfire.
Another pilot on the same episode also described seeing 'machines' that displayed these characteristics and they have been seeing them on a "near-daily basis for years off the East Coast". He also made the comment about them invading our airspace with impunity.
“Lue” Elizondo the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP), has given several interviews over the past couple weeks and confirmed the multiple sources all describing the same behaviors and they have a ton of documentation the public has never seen. He later confirmed in an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News, when asked if the U.S had ever captured alien craft and he replied "The U.S is in possession of exotic material ... I'll leave it at that".
President Obama, when asked about the '60 Minutes' revelations on Monday's episode of James Corden confirmed the incidents are real and simply that we are seeing machines we cannot explain. He also added there is a lot more he cannot reveal.
So the government has gone from consistently denying 100%, any knowledge of UFO's and not allowing military personel to speak on the record to all of a sudden confirming these things are real, they are unexplainable, and allowing military personel to speak on the record.
They have been laying the groundwork for next month's Congressional report which multiple government sources have said will contain some bombshells and that members of Congress will likely hear even more than what the public will see in the official report.

You're not listening. Perhaps you should watch the show for yourself. These pilots witnessed this machine FIRSTHAND with their own eyes. Not through some monitor or lense. They are highly trained at identifying aircraft from all over the world. They described the experience in detail. No visible sign of propulsion. No wings. Could hover in place. "Roiled the ocean water beneath it when they first encountered it". "Clearly knew they were there" and reacted to their movements (even reaching their CAP point ahead of them). Traveled supersonic speeds with no sonic boom against the wind and making 90 degree turn on a dime. All 4 of them saw the same thing and observed it for roughly 5 minutes before it disappeared. Why would they lie? And why have so many others described seeing a similar "tic tac" shaped UFO over the past several decades?

I know this is an extremely heavy revelation. There is no innocent explanation. I suggest you try and have an open mind and entertain the thought that we're really not the smartest species in the universe much less our own galaxy. Just look at recent research on muons which seems to suggest there is plenty we do not yet know or understand about physics.

More pilots who couldn't explain what they were seeing so they "assumed it was someting highly advanced" of ours?
I'm not sure how this debunks anything the government is now telling us?? Sounds like more affirmation to me.

But if you wish to remain closed-minded and ignore what the government is now (finally) slooooowly trying to tell you, that's fine.

It's simply a fact that there is just SO much we do not know. We don't even really understand gravity, a basic force (so how could we even attempt to devise an anti-gravity device much less understand one we're looking at?). We have never been able to reconcile Relativity and Quantum Mechanics for decades on end. A recent study on muons concluded there is now "strong evidence" for a "new force of nature" never known.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/science/particle-physics-muon-fermilab-brookhaven.html

BTW, some fun facts on how "smart" we currently are. We had zero hard evidence of any exoplanets until 1988. Zero. To this day, we're not certain of the number of planets in our OWN solar system and suspect a hypothetical "Planet 9" really is out there. We are currently aware of 63 stars within 5 parsecs or 16.3 light years of Earth (but scientists suspect there are many, many more yet to be discovered.) Of those 63 stars we have only begun discovering the major planets orbiting those suns. Again, there are likely "hundreds" more yet to be discovered on those known stars alone. The vast majority of these discoveries have come in just the last two decades. Scientists have repeatedly revised (upward) their estimated number of stars in our galaxy as well as the number of planets orbiting them. It's staggering. To think we are alone or to even think no species is out there with far superior knowledge seems incredibly naive and arrogant IMO.

It's becoming all too clear, right now in my lifetime, that the odds are quickly tilting toward "we're not alone" and the government is now strongly hinting at that conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs

I'd happily take any bet. 99% confident (most people just aren't paying attention to what has been happening). The government will be releasing increasingly more detailed video and photos (and information) in the coming years. They now know they can no longer maintain the secret given advancements in technology and the speed at which information travels. We're in a "process" (to avoid mass panic) of revelation. Not that I think there is anything to fear whatsoever.

I guess I've always been very good at connecting the dots.
The only time I said "think" (above) is when stating I don't believe we have anything to fear (if extraterristial life wanted to exterminate us they could, but we're still here). Here are the facts, however.
- "Somehow" a UFO military video first leaked to the public starting in 2007.
- In 2019 an additional 2 military videos "leaked" to the public
- In 2020 the Pentagon officially declassified the 3 videos and confirmed they were authentic and reamined unexplained although an investigation continued
- Also in December 2020, Trump snuck into a Covid Bill that the Pentagon had a 180-day countdown to compile a full report for Congress
- In 2021 (just over a week ago) in a 60 Minutes bombshell, military personnel (2 highly-credible Navy pilots) were allowed to speak on record about the 2004 incident and what they witnessed with their own eyes (NOT via camera or monitor) a "UAP with technology at least 100 to 1000 years ahead of us". Another active pilot confirmed they see these "machines" on a near-daily basis "invading our airspace with impunity".
- Two days later, on James Corden, former President Barack Obama confirms "... I'm being serious now, these ..." these are real physical machines and "we don't know exactly what they are".

These are facts now. How do you not see the "red flag" that there has been a MAJOR shift in policy regarding UFO's? For decades the Pentagon has refused to acknowledge them, has refused to allow military personnell to even speak about them. Something has very clearly changed.
Presidents and highly intelligent military personell do not make outlandish claims without considering all possibilities. They are flat out trying to tell you these things are real and are here and have technology way beyond our own and we cannot explain them. Period.

That's hands down the most condescending, ignorant/juvenile, and asinine response I've seen yet. How shocking it managed to divulge into a Fox News tantrum more than anything else. For him to joke about the IQ of fighter pilots (much less one who has graduated Top Gun) is pretty damn insulting. I'm highly confident they would not mistake a duck (100+ miles out at sea) for something inexplicable. Plus, the 2004 incident in particular, FOUR pilots .. not one .. all confirming the same description of 5 minutes of observation with their OWN EYES. Not just cameras and radar. And ONCE AGAIN ... you damn well better believe they have high-definition video and photos!! Did you really think the government was going to hit you all at once with everything they have and know?? I think that speaks to your IQ, not theirs. Think about how serious these revelations are. Even if you don't believe it in the slightest (fine), surely you have to acknowledge that if the government did have strong PROOF that they would have to find a way to slowly break the news to the public if/when they concluded they could not keep it a secret forever, no?? HOW would you break the news to the public?? I'm thinking a years-long process is in order and releasing downgraded imagery and video is part of the early steps.

People. My 2 cents again, but humble yourselves. We're not as bright as you think. You can't fathom where our knowledge will be in 500 years or how little we know now compared to what we'll know then. Again, we can't even reconcile Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. We don't even understand gravity (we can predict gravitational force of objects, but we don't really understand how gravity itself works). Recent study of muons says "WOW", there is something weird going on and this could lead to the biggest breakthroughs in physics ever. I have little doubt we'll discover a feasible method of faster-than-light travel (some bending of space/time using an energy source we're yet to discover) some time in the future and traveling to other stars will become possible. In fact, go look up the proposed "The Alcubierre drive" (it's fascinating idea in itself). Yes, we'll need to solve the power problem but the fact that we're already proposing solutions tells me we could very possibly solve this within 500 years or less.
Now, you're wrong on how many stars we've found to date (in reference to "ThatOneDude"'s comment). We now know of 63 stars within just 5 parsecs of Earth (just 16.3 light years). There are FAR more within 100 light years. Keep in mind, V = 4/3(pie)r(cubed.) The further away from Earth the Volume of space for stars/planets to exist goes up exponentially. We've only discovered most of these in the last couple decades. Worse, scientists absolutely believe there are many more within this distance yet to be discovered, each possibly hosting numerous planets. As Ben Heck noted above, we've barely begun to discover the true number of planets orbiting these stars as currently our methods are only sensitive enough to detect the largest planets and even then they have to traverse within the plane of visibility to us passing in front of the sun they orbit. We have no clue if the average number of planets around a star is 8 (like us) or 20. WORSE YET ... How many moons orbit those planets that are just as likely as being capable of (or increasingly likely in some cases) hosting life? We have not yet confirmed a single exomoon(!!) although Kepler has identified a couple of possible candidates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exomoon) Jupiter and Saturn alone have a combined 161 known moons!! We can't even figure out if there is life on Europa and/or Enceladus here in our own solar system but we suspect there may well be!
NOW, consider this ... any advanced civilization won't just have mastered faster-than-light travel (which BTW, if the ship is bending space itself in front it, won't have to worry about the inertia of any asteroid as it will bend space around them), they would have some equally major advances in healthcare and extending life and could likely live hundreds of years (heck, we have life forms here on Earth that can live hundreds of years on their own right now without science). So, if they could make a trip to Earth at 10-20 times the speed light ... hmm, maybe that's not such a bad trip for them if they're within 100-150 light years? Now, we don't really know how many stars there may actually be within 100-150 light-years but I'll go with Ben Heck's estimation ... "a lot".
For the curious ... Red Dwarf stars in particular are incredibly hard to detect and we believe they account for 3/4 of all the stars in our galaxy. There could easily be dozens more of these within 5 parsecs of Earth.
https://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/stars/startypes.shtml
#TheyreHere

Our collective intelligence TODAY is nothing compared to what it will be in 100 much less 500 years, and our collective intelligence in 500 years will be nothing compared to what it will be in 1000 years. Is that more clear? I have strong confidence we'll continue to evolve, continue to increase our collective knowledge, continue innovating, and spread throughout the galaxy (if we don't blow ourselves up first.)
Others have found us before we found them.

Really? Prove something mathematically and it's possible, period. Just because we haven't figured out how to engineer it currently does not mean we won't eventually. Again, I'm thinking about what's possible in 100-500 years from now. Extraterrestrial life could be thousands of years ahead of us also meaning we can't possibly comprehend their logic for how they would interact with us at this point.

Yes, I have an open mind that FTL is absolutely possible. You're making the assumption it's not because a guy named Einstein said so a century ago (and therefore, alien intelligence can't be visiting). However, as I noted, we have physicists already proposing a method for FTL (the Alcubierre drive) without violating Einstein's field theory so yes, I'm keeping an open mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

And, our current understanding of physics is VERY much incomplete and full of massive holes. We know there is a LOT we don't know. Give us a 'problem' and we solve it. That's what we do.
#TheyreHere

My Hypothesis: We're worth their time. First, if they've managed to evolve intellectually beyond our current state they likely do put value on intelligent life (even one so far behind their own intellect) and would not want to see us destroy such a valuable commodity (a rocky planet capable of sustaining life). So I propose they would have a need or a desire for a symbiotic relationship with us. First, they need us to maintain this planet as habitable so they can visit when need be. Second, I'm willing to bet Earth wouldn't be just an endpoint for them. It's likely just a rest stop to them traveling to even further solar systems. Perhaps they may need facilities here to work on their "ships". Repairs or otherwise. They likely wouldn't be able to transport mass quantities of certain materials and machinery needed and if they could just tell us "we need a sheet of titanium cut into these dimensions of this thickness" or "create us a facility of this size with these specifications" (lame examples, I know) and we could in turn provide that for some know-how and technological advances from them.

That remains a possibility! But my belief (obviously) has shifted enormously now that the U.S government has made a 180 on their approach to UFO's. My thinking tells me there is very much a reason they're using a new term (UAP). They do not want the historical stigma attached to UFO's to persist. Given our advances in camera phone photos and video capabilities combined with increasing zoom lense capabilities ... COMBINED with 5G technology coming online and the ability to send large amounts of data around the planet instantaneously .. they must see a need to slowly let the revelation come to light (versus us waking up one morning to incredible closeup video of alien technology). Intelligent extraterrestial "machines" (at a minimum, but I'm betting actual life) are visiting. I believe wholeheartedly we're in a process and the government absolutely has high-resolution video and photos themselves. These machines seem to have a keen interest in our most advanced technology (ie. military) and spend most of their time observing such (versus flying over subdivisions or large cities).

BTW, don't forget ... when asked on live TV if the U.S was in possession of alien technology Lou Elizondo (the former Director of the AATIP) responded "the U.S is in possession of exotic material, and I'll leave it at that".

Fun info from the 1990's.

"The movement of the UFO was not accompanied by sound of any kind and was distinguished by its' startling maneuverability. It seemed the UFO was devoid of inertia". SOUND FAMILIAR? This was the 90's ... Do you think they were witnessing advanced U.S technology?? I don't think so.

https://unknownboundaries.com/russian-general-fully-disclosed-ufos-not-of-this-world-piloted-by-intelligent-beings/?fbclid=IwAR3rPAAeROjpwqroQPXgZC4U1grSl3ts3_wc_bOPktmHvZ-TFVpUoUJGm5I

I'm thinking you're precisely the type of person who is going to go into shock and die of a heart attack when you witness alien life firsthand, lol. Sure, hundreds of credible (highly intelligent military personnel in the know) sources around the world all reporting seeing the same 'machines' or objects behaving in the same way, and it's because they all just want us in fear. Our government is now lying to us about inexplicable machines because it would just be too hard to say China has advanced weapons we don't have a response for. No, It's much better to just tell people there are advanced machiens at least 100 to 1000 years ahead of us visiting.

Who are the naive ones here?

I never said Aliens are real either (albeit I personally believe that is the VERY clear implication). But YES, the government (including President Obama) have stated that we cannot explain what our military personnel are "seeing" (both with direct visual observation as well as being backed up by our latest radar technology) but it IS happening. What I have also said is the U.S government is now admitting (in a complete 180 reversal of policy) that they are seeing "UAP" regularly and they cannot explain them including that they do not believe it can be explained as being another government's technology. Period.

I have also stated I believe the U.S government has started a "process" of revealing the truth which Lou Elizondo has said himself ("it's a process"). This is someone highly credible to say the least. If you wish to believe all of these folks are either lying or are mistaken of what they witnessed with their own eyes, that's your choice.

They aren't afraid of our nukes being used on them. They're afraid of us destroying this planet. But I agree 110% they could care less about any "resources" on this planet beyond the planet itself. I believe they're more interested in helping us if anything and as I said earlier there are reasons they could want a symbiotic relationship with humans.

If you've never watched the Paul Hellyer testimony, give it a watch (another credible government official, this time from Canada ... urging governments that humanity is ready for the truth).

Included in this video is the NEW video of radar that was released just today. It's a bit lengthy but he gives a great description of what you're seeing in the radar data and the various types of radar the Navy uses all of which corroborated this incident. If it is our own technology (DARPA or otherwise) it makes no sense why they would be harassing one of our own group of ships and risk altercation.

If it IS China or Russia off San Diego's coast we're in trouble. The 17:45 mark in the video onward gets particularly interesting.

Given the incredibly weak news coverage of these UAP/UFO revelations and people's reaction of complete denial and even laughing (including many in this thread) I guess they'll need to reveal a lot more about these phenomenon to catch people's attention.

That said, I don't see any logic in thinking "Hey, we don't want people to pay attention to us pointing the finger at Wuhan so we'll go ahead and reveal the biggest secret in the history of humanity to distract them". I think that's completely a separate issue even smaller than Iran potentially re-entering any nuclear deal. I do find this administration's desire to re-enter that deal with Iran SO desperately a bit more odd ...

I agree 100% but it's absolutely CLEAR there is a 180 degree turn in policy after a century or more of complete denial. You cannot deny that much. I contemplate the possibilities for why, constantly.

Is it simply a think tank came to the realization that with the increase of high-resolution video cameras combined with 5G that it's only a matter of time before someone captures something they shouldn't and it spreads around the world instantly? Is it because the presence and occurrence of these incidents is increasing dramatically? IF ... IF alien intelligence is here have they detected that humanity has reached some precipice of intellect (where our collective intelligence is growing exponentially?) and they need to step in or watch us much more closely? Or did America become aware some other country has captured a crashed UFO and/or are preparing to reveal what THEY have witnessed or discovered?

Whatever the case, something has clearly changed. There is a very strange feeling of what is going on in the world right now. There are more bombshells to come (soon), that much I'm sure of.

BTW, the fact that this one "swarm" of UAP's were all around the USS Omaha seems like its' not a coincidence. This ship was just commissioned in February, 2018 (only a year before this incident). This particular ship was said to be carrying some of our latest and most advanced technology to date. That alone makes this incident all the more eerie.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/1429521/

China doesn't actually ban religion per se although they definitely favor atheism as a state. They tightly control religion but recognize five of them and allow citizens to practice. When I'm in Shanghai I see churches and know colleagues who attended (a couple Catholics and a couple Buddhists actually.)

It's possible it's completely propaganda but it sure seems like very high-risk propaganda to be putting forth these revelations that could have serious repercussions on national policy among other risks. It would be a large conspiracy to have so many military personnel (and non-military for that matter) participating.

Because ...
A) They like Earth as a rest stop to elsewhere
B) They just don't want to see us destroy this planet (either via Global Warming or via Nuclear War that they themselves nearly averted?)
C) We have plenty to offer in terms of construction and resources refining for them ...
D) They would have a FAR deeper understanding of just how rare (or not) life is and act accordingly to protect us ...
E) What if .. IF we ever could achieve inter-Solar System travel as a species? What would WE value most in other Solar Systems? Certainly not resource such as particular elements as Ben noted. Diversity of life (a lot of us are "people watchers" lol)? Incredible Geological discoveries far greater than the Grand Canyon? Perhaps a greater meaning to life, period? IS there a higher intelligence than all of us that actually created the "Big Bang"?! That might interest us.

I just cannot believe in ANY scenario they would feel we are a threat great enough to wipe us out entirely. It is possible certain alien species would be indifferent to a few of us dying so they could learn more about our biology (I know ... yes ... "alien abduction"). But I don't see logic in mass extermination.

To achieve such a high level of intelligence and be so indifferent to the fragility of life is incompatible as we know intelligence. How could they possibly perceive us as a threat in the vastness of the Galaxy much less the universe. Such thinking is that of Hollywood fantasy. No, they would consider anything and everything that we could potentially offer them and as I noted previously there are several reasons for them to consider a symbiotic relationship.

IF .. IF these phenomenon are real (and NOW, given current revelations I have no reason to think they are not) then you have to consider "This isn't new. These phenomenon/encounters have been occurring and documented for centuries at a minimum" (how do you not suddenly give credence to stories documented for centuries that are similar in nature??).

We are a far greater threat to ourselves than they are to us and they must seemingly be interested in helping us. BUT, we have to overcome humbling ourselves to realize we're not the pinnacle of intelligence and we are not in control. When you think about that, that is revolutionary for us as a species.

Far, far out there ... yet, what an amazing time to be alive.

lol, I know. But really, this is a fear Hollywood has created. I stop and think, even in our young juvenile level of intelligence ... wouldn't we stop to consider why we would spend resources on 'exterminating' an alien life (if we found it)?!? Of course not, how idiotic. We'd assess it and consider how we could help them and how they could help us. Even IF we encountered an intelligent life such as that of the ancient Mayans (tribal in nature) we wouldn't just wipe them out. We wouldn't drop down and say "Hey guys, what's going on?". We'd observe them from afar, study their planet, and leave them alone for the most part. We can't rule out a species not so compassionate that they wouldn't abduct a few humans for study ... but I can't perceive a rationale for wiping us out either.

We wouldn't be flourishing as a society if we were food or if they wanted to eliminate us as some threat to them. They didn't just show up yesterday. IF, IF the government comes clean with what they know, and they've concluded these actually are extraterrestrial intelligent beings visiting us ... they've been doing it for millennia. The same descriptions of these craft have been repeated for centuries. The cigar shape (Silver in color). The Tic Tac (white). The saucer (2 varieties). The 'Bell' shape. The perfect Sphere. The pyramid-shaped craft. I'm confident our government has developed such classifications for UAP and even categorized the various capabilities for each that have been witnessed. I hope we get to that level of revelation and transparency in the not-too-distant future.

There have been many inexplicable events in history but this one in particular was remarkable. "Witnessed by countless numbers of people". I'm sure it must have been "swamp gas", lol. Of all the sightings I've ever heard of this is the only that described what appeared to be a battle in the sky.
https://alienigenasdopassado.com.br/en/the-nuremberg-ufos-battle-of-1561/?fbclid=IwAR3YChv-r9WQVQ1Q280eFq-n7SYEgt_SIEaWT2EPk81LL3V-zZkEsyOHj3Q

lol, so more "swamp gas"? And I'm not sure what you meant by the "full translation"? The story seems comprehensive to me. Orbs (and there is that black disc/cigar shape again, "spear") that appeared to fight and at least one that crashed to Earth producing "immense smoke". But, could just essentially be another "swamp gas" incident mistaken for a battle of objects in the sky.

I'm not sure why a simple conversation around unexplained aerial phenomena is so upsetting and makes you so angry but perhaps this topic is a bit too much for you? My "lol" is that skeptics such as you can dismiss anything, even something so detailed as was this incident, with the most innocent of atmospheric conditions. I've seen sundogs, they're very common. It's not some once in a lifetime phenomenon and I don't think their description of what they witnessed fits (not the least of which being the "immense amount smoke"). Just because people didn't have cellphones 500 years ago doesn't mean they were complete morons either.
Start getting your excuses together now for when the Pentagon report on UAP comes out in a few weeks.

Wait, when the Pentagon report confirms they are seeing physical objects displaying capabilities that defy physics as we know it, and they are corroborated with eyewitness testimony combined with a multitude of our most advanced radar and sensors from multiple sources ... that's where we "started"?? You think that's where we've been for decades?? Where are your innocent explanations for these objects?!? How can the most brilliant people in our country not explain them?

Long rumored, and also zero evidence of its' actual existence. This was supposedly a picture of it.
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2018/09/15/1829282/ufo-like-object-spotted-aboard-us-aircraft-carrier-video

But this is not even remotely like some of the visual observations described by pilots. "No control surfaces or panels". "No signs of propulsion". "Silent". "Shaped like a white Tic Tac" (in some cases). "Endurance" we've never seen nor can explain. "Trans-medium" in nature (go from air to water and back). So aside from solving anti-gravity, we'd have to develop the materals to withstand these immense forces (600 G's?!?) as well as an energy source to sustain the flight times and distances these craft covered and OH, include the capability of going underwater and navigating to boot. Go DARPA!

Besides, if we had a TR-3 why would we harrass our own military? Go drive China and Russia nuts. Also, if we understood gravity well enough to create antoi-gravity we'd have reinvented the automobile by now among hundreds of other technologies and be sending crafts to other solar systems in the near future.

Me having an open mind led me to the conclusion we're not alone.

Once our government confirms alien craft are here (drones or otherwise) then other revelations begin to fall one after another:
- Wait, so was Roswell real?
- What about the long-rumored story of alien craft seemingly disabling our nuclear weapons (occurrences both here and in Russia)
- If they're that advanced I guess WW3 is no longer a concern ... aliens really will save us from ourselves?
- If these craft are real, have we attempted to communicate with them? (I say that one rhetorically because you know our government would have tried)
- Did they respond??
etc etc etc
Point being, the story won't end with confirmation "Sure, UAP are real and our best hypothesis is they're alien in nature".

Why would creating anti-gravity eliminate inertia?

No, but that's partly my point. Just because you can offset or make something that is not impacted by gravity does not mean you can suddenly move 13,000 mph and not have to worry about inertia.

I get that he's a natural skeptic, however ...
He doesn't even acknowledge or discuss that the government has been adamantly denying, downplaying, and burying UFO reports FOREVER ... until now.
He doesn't really acknowledge that YES, these latest videos are corroborated by multiple radar systems, types of sensors, and from multiple ships .. AND it was combined with 4 pilots visual confirmation of "something" with their own eyes.
And yes, perhaps if alien technology is so far ahead of our own, it's not all that hard for them to cover their tracks (ie. disable your cameras). We know multiple of these pilot encounters speak of having their radar systems jammed.
I also think intelligent life would be far more interested in our most advanced technology (if they want to assess where we are in our intellectual evolution) and that technology resides almost exclusively with the military. Hence, they get harassed the most frequently.

But it's NOT rational. You can tell from his responses that he hasn't bothered to LISTEN to what the pilots and Navy personnel are saying. He immediately starts dismissing it all as simply A malfunctioning sensor. He clearly hasn't bothered to listen to the full story ... multiple ships involved with multiple types of radar and various sensor systems all tracking these objects (in the case of the 2004 incident off San Diego) COMBINED with pilots being sent to investigate and having visual confirmation with their own eyes. So no, I don't think his "argument" is rational in the slightest.

Here is a fantastic DETAILED description of why the "Gimbal" incident is basically impossible to explain without an otherworldly craft explanation. If you really care to dismiss this, get educated first (this is our newest 5th generation fighter cockpit .. state of the art, new capabilities in 2004).

P-R-O-C-E-S-S. Of course they weren't going to just say "yep, aliens". But this is a HUGE step to say, yes, these objects are real and we cannot explain them as hard as we've tried. This is to say "people, you may need to open your minds to the possibility and let that sink in." This much is most definitely not where we started.

The report is not even officially out yet and you guys act like it was nothing to report.
The United States admitting it encounters UFO's on a regular basis that it cannot explain is major news.
The United States admitting these objects are real and cannot be explained as a fly on the lens or even a faulty radar glitch is major news.
The United States admitting it cannot rule out an extraterrestrial source for these objects is major news.

If you thought the United States was just going to come out in this report and admit they've actually made contact or communicated with these objects and they KNOW they are extraterrestrial in nature then you're a moron.

If YOU knew aliens were real and you could no longer keep it a secret indefinitely how would you reveal that news to society in a manner which causes minimal disruption? Minimal panic? Minimal change in our way of life including impact to various religions?

It's a PROCESS of revelation. Enjoy your latest step toward understanding our place in the Universe.

I truly don't understand your "logic" here. So, you're suggesting the government WAS being truthful the past 70-80 years when they denied every single UFO incident and NOW they're lying when they say these incidents are real and happening?? And who the heck is in "fear"?? The government doesn't need aliens to control people, they have the media for that.

BTW, David Fravor is no longer working for the government. He is a civilian now reporting what he witnessed when he was in the Navy (and his account is verified by others who witnessed his incident in 2004). He is by far the most credible person I've ever heard witness a UFO. The podcast with Lex Fridman (which ran nearly 4 HOURS) is fascinating. That interview truly gives you an understanding of how extremely intelligent David is and his depth of training and knowledge of aircraft. As a Top Gun graduate and Commanding Officer of a fighter group you truly get to understand his ability to identify other aircraft and why what he (and others) witnessed was not of this world. I'm not sure how you can dismiss his account (and several others corroborated accounts) from that day, beyond "they're all just lying".

Here is a fun thought to ponder: IF ... if there are intelligent extraterrestrial species visiting Earth (via drones or otherwise) and they have been doing so for thousands of years, you would have to think they have taken extensive video throughout all of time. Perhaps they could show us actual video of Egyptians and the construction of the Pyramids. Perhaps they have video of Rome and life of Romans in that day. Heck, perhaps they could even have video of dinosaurs. I would have to think any species more advanced than our current intellect also created an "internet" and have vast archives of digital IP passed down (preserved) for millennia.

Interesting.

https://unknownboundaries.com/nsa-and-air-force-documents-confirm-ufo-attacks-and-crashes/?fbclid=IwAR2UBtO33Xtk6sN5aAvgfYg5Ah5NItO4kYnY15GgYpLS2rXY_Kij_ChZ47k

#TheyAreHere

Check these videos out of this incident in Jerusalem. When the broadcaster says "here's another video from a different angle" watch closely (it's only a split second or two). It looks EXACTLY like the pulsating orb the pilot in Mexico spotted in your video.

#TheyAreHere

lol, yes, an "aircraft" navigating straight down on the Dome, hovering perfectly still for a few seconds, and then shooting straight upward at a speed I've never seen ANY craft ever do. Witnessed (as noted from the multiple videos) from different angles completely opposite of the Dome showing the same angle of entry and exit. BTW, this coincides perfectly with David Fravor's description of the 2004 incident where the Navy was witnessing "objects" dropping from beyond 80,000 feet down to sea level, seemingly hovering for a bit, then retreating straight back up.

At this point I'm thinking you're pretty much going to need an alien punch you in the face and say "hey idiot, I'm real".

Her theory that the objects may be a 3D "projection" from a higher dimension is certainly plausible. It doesn't change the (now) apparent fact there is other intelligence out there though.

At the 18 minute mark she makes the most obvious observation as demonstrated by this thread. The arrival and realization of otherworldly higher intelligence is met with a yawn and continued disbelief.

The 2 pilots involved in the 2004 "Tic Tac" incident specifically mentioned they're comfortable discussing that incident because it has long been declassified. David Fravor in particular seems to hint in several other interviews that he is aware of more.

The 3rd pilot in the 60 Minutes episode operates on the East Coast and he specifically noted that these incidents happen near daily.

Jeremy Corbell has noted he has significantly more video footage that he'll be releasing over time. He has also commented that he knows firsthand that the government has much higher resolution video/photos of UAP.

OMG, you are seriously out to lunch. Aside from the fact that there are multiple EYE WITNESSES who literally saw an unexplainable object(s), and aside from the FACT that these objects were picked up by multiple types of our most advanced radar system and sensors, the military themselves are telling you they cannot explain these objects as hard as they have tried (and they do investigate). So you get a person or two making videos for profit with some random theory (oh, it's a bird) on each video (as if it was just a single source in each incident) and you consider that "thoroughly debunked, case solved"?? Good Lord. The Gimbal incident explanation in particular is just ridiculous.

My exasperation comes from people like you treating our military like complete morons as if these Mr Wizards thought of something the top scientists and military experts haven't. You literally have a President (former President Barack Obama) telling you "it's true, these objects are real and we cannot explain them". You literally have expert Navy pilots telling you what they witnessed with their OWN eyes (forget the advanced radars and sensors altogether) but you put your faith in Mr Wizard and his simple explanations. Okay.

THIS. Exactly. Of course not, Good Lord ... a higher intelligence trying to explain a level of phsyics we STILL are not even close to understanding. BUT ... the questions that arise when we acknowledge there are multiple higher-intelligence species visiting Earth. Wow. Just wow. Is there one in particular that is considered the true pinnacle of intelligence? Our "God"? At least in our galaxy? Are "they" in fact responsible for everything we read in the Bible? Did they come to Earth and play with our DNA? Did they plant us to begin with? Is there possibly an afterlife in a dimension unbeknownst to us?
When you accept "Oh wow, extraterrestrial intelligence is real" ... the possibilities are dumbfounding.

The next couple decades will be amazing.

This guy is a very curious case if you have not read about him before. Supposedly he has filed patents on behalf of his aerospace employers that clearly seem to mimic much (most) of the bizarre highly-advanced technologies we are witnessing. As Wikipedia notes, it may well be misinformation to scare our adversaries that if they should witness such technologies they might think it's the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Pais

Great comments from Jeremy during his interview with Russell Brand on the hubris of some folks (like Neil Tyson) any why now is the time for scientists to step up, know the facts, and then propose answers.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1403759003553906688

Got it. You do not and will not ever accept that extraterrestrial intelligence is visiting Earth. UNDERSTOOD. GOT IT. Now, why don't you go post in some thread titled "UFO's are not real" instead of constantly being dismissive and antagonistic here? Not sure why it upsets you so much that some people do have an open mind on the topic and find the recent revelations a bit fascinating (and would like to discuss it without your juvenile personal attacks).

The whole topic of this thread is that the U.S government now acknowledges that UFOs are real. There are objects they are witnessing that they cannot explain. Period. There is nothing "ironic" about my posts.

If your only intent here is to be dismissive and lob personal attacks then why post here at all? Go somewhere else.

If you don't think multiple Navy pilots all stating emphatically that they know what they saw with their own eyes and could not explain the physics of it, then I don't know what to tell you. That's about the most IDEAL conditions imaginable. Perfectly clear day, perfect blue skys, no wind ... they witnessed this object which was first detected by and corroborated by multiple types of radar and sensors from multiple ships. The military has confirmed they have never been able to explain it.

If that equates to not "any convincing evidence" in your mind then great, move along. Can the rest of us discuss the possibilities if it's not of this world without getting attacked like we're back in High School?

So you don't realize when you're being condescending and mocking?? You really thought you were making some logical counterargument here?? Okay. This isn't "valid criticism" much less "analysis".

Can't say I've ever believed in ghosts either. However, we currently do not know how many dimensions there really are! String Theory currently suggests there are 10! Also recently, scientists have discovered new particles that only exist in 2D, look up Anyons. These things are crazy. The point being, if these other dimensions exist all around us, who knows what exists in our exact same space. It's plausible that these UFO's aren't coming from a far away solar system but are coming from another dimension altogether. In that sense, something existing in a different dimension (ie. "ghosts") but having a "projection" into our 3D (or 4D) world isn't completely ludicrous.

The fact is, we just don't currently know.

Well, if you believe science, we have no idea where 95% of the universe "is". That is, everything humans have ever observed with all of our instruments (me, you, planets, suns, Bosons, Fermions, etc. etc.) only accounts for 5% of the composition of the universe. 27% is "dark matter" and 68% is "dark energy". We have no idea what these things are but we know they must be "here" ... somewhere.

My only point was that the brightest minds in our entire history of humanity cannot explain where the other 95% of the universe is, much less what it is. Being in another dimension we cannot interact with (at least currently) seems perfectly plausible.

Now I'm curious what your thoughts are around things like quantum entanglement. Science has demonstrated it experimentally. Soooo ... what are your thoughts? They're wrong? They're quacks? Or .. "okay, this bizarre inexplicable ability is real but nothing else is"?

No, he's correct to a certain degree. We may live a little bit longer because of science and medicine but that's a fraction of the story. We also are no longer lawless neanderthals in constant war during the medieval ages. We have a plentiful food supply and economy. You'll also note 2 significant dips in that line over average during "modern" times (around 1865 and 1914-1916). One during the Civil War and one during World War I. That's what happens to the average when mass numbers die off due to war.

The last one in that video certainly appears to mimic the "tic tac" as it has been described.

Also, the one in the middle of the pulsing blue light, is very similar to other videos (almost like it's constantly changing shape/color and pulsating).

Beyond that, all the others are iffy.

Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. lol.

Government admits they are seeing actual physical objects defying physics as we currently understand it and despite their best efforts to identify and explain them cannot. But "obviously" you're smarter than our government and military.

And I don't know what you're talking about in regards to the tic tac video .. they show it multiple times in real time and slow motion and you can see it leave in a blink of an eye out of picture.

If you're just going to discredit every video as a weather balloon or flashlight and the persons who took the video as idiots, is there a point to discussion?

Huh? No incentive? It's their job to identify any craft entering our airspace (or waters) and identify potential threats. That's not incentive to identify these things? You don't think they've exhausted resources trying to explain these things? Again, I don't understand treating our military like a bunch of idiots and pretending our government has a reason to lie to us now out of the blue.

Alien abduction. It's one giant conspiracy in the works for years on end to have this very discussion.

Yep. Those stinking weather balloons.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/infamous-tic-tac-ufo-spotted-by-u-s-navy-pilot-now-seen-over-england

With all due respect, honestly, you're not paying attention. Everything has changed. Our government would never acknowledge anything in the 1950s or 60s and we did not have anywhere near the technology that we do now.

We just got video of the 'tic tac' craft ... video that crossed multiple types of cameras (including FLIR). You then have video of at least one screen of our latest advanced radar screen (on a ship) corroborating the object being where the pilots visually identified it. Pilots were sent to intercept because multiple warships identified a potential unidentified threat. You have multiple highly-trained pilots from multiple aircraft (at different altitudes no less) describing what they saw with their own eyes when they intercepted it. You have radar data confirming speeds and change in direction that they cannot explain (yes, defying physics as we know it.) You literally have the government telling you "it's true", they see these things, they violate our airspace, and they cannot explain them.

I'm thinking that's pretty darn different from what people were hearing from officials in the 1950s and 1960s.

Pretty well done fake if it is (definitely a bit too shakey but if I saw something surreal I guess I wouldn't be perfectly calm). Can't tell how legit the initial 2 fighter jets looked. But you've got a good military helicopter mixed in along with the "UFO" diving into the water. But I know there are some really good fakes out there. Would like to hear military (Mexican?) confirmation of an incident.

Great summary of the back and forth with the Pentagon over the past few years that has led up to this moment of releasing a "report" this week. The report may not contain any major new bombshells but I believe it's an important next step in the process of revelation that these unidentified objects are real.

We get it troll!! You're obnoxious opinion is clear.

I'm sure the military are just a bunch of idiots tracking weather balloons dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level in 1.5 seconds (and then wasting aircraft and taxpayer dollars to intercept) and despite these objects being "readily explainable" by your genius, they're just too stupid.

They could save taxpayers billions by just hiring you.

Interesting.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01692-7

Change is coming.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-u-s-is-about-to-change-the-way-the-world-thinks-about-ufos/ar-AALphsK?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fbclid=IwAR2rm-4q4qVVv2zst56IO0tjYM2wgXMvwVri7PY6ugKJbwRKCudFDoT2wAs

DENIALISM: "In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism

#ReturnServe

*Sigh indeed. Instead of reading between the lines your eyes seem to go right to the keywords you hold firm to be true.
We've known for some time the government would never come right out and say aliens are real (how irresponsible would that be?!). It's a process that starts with the government admitting they encounter UAP they cannot explain (and in some cases displaying abilities we REALLY cannot explain) and people opening their minds to the very real possibility extraterrestrial intelligence (whether drones/probes or personally) is one possible explanation. For some people accpeting this possibility is more challenging than for others.

To that end, what this report just confirmed, however, is that the U.S military does in fact encounter UAP's in relatively large numbers that they cannot explain. The vast majority are not weather balloons. It's not dirt on the radar. UAP are real. Does not necessarily mean they are extraterrestrial in nature, however, they cannot explain them (and clearly they've tried hard due to the potential impact on national security.)

I'm a bit surprised by the number of persons here who can't seem to grasp just how much things HAVE just changed. When has the government ever acknowledged there are real UAP's (physical objects) they cannot identify much less that (some) appear to display capabilities they also can't explain? When has the government ever openly called for a new system to report and track these UAP? When has the government ever called for the stigma surrounding UAP to be removed? This IS a major first step by our government in revealing the full extent of what they know. BTW, if you really haven't been paying attention, Congress received a much more in-depth analysis with far more confidential information. If you've listened to their comments on their briefing they seemed shocked, almost shaken. So imagine what they're keeping from the public to not cause panic.

Jeremy Corbell just revealed he'll be releasing new information (video?) this coming Tuesday. We now have that to look forward to and I suspect more and more information will be coming at a faster pace in the coming weeks and months.

https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Again ... STEP ONE. Step one is not "These could be aliens" or "aliens are real"! Good Lord.

And no, they did not state that most UAP are explained as natural phenomenon. They noted categories these objects might fall into. They identified ONE as conclusively being a weather balloon.

I wonder why "readily explainable" phenomenom (if they were) may "require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them". How odd. Think about THAT quote in the report.

"military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings". Hmm ... now that's odd.

" We are conducting further analysis to determine if breakthrough technologies were demonstrated". Wait, that's a real possibility? ODD.

Again, an important first step was just taken. That's all. The reveal was never going to come overnight. Absolutely things just changed.

Generally I agree (about government). They lie a lot. However, there are plenty of plausible reasons the government has felt enough pressure that they need a "process" of revealing the truth versus the consequences of a "big bang" revelation to the world. For starters, the quality and number of high-resolution camera/video phones has reached a critical number such that the odds of catching indisputable hard evidence of UFO/WAP's has reached an increasing point of deniability. Perhaps (even according to the governments own publicly disclosed information) the number of incidents is increasing in very recent decades. Perhaps the soure of these UAP alone is forcing their hand. Any of these arguments would cause the government to begin their idea of the best steps (process) to take to reveal the truth.
But I'm with you, I put my faith and trust in God and the Holy Trinity. I just wonder how this will change our understanding of "God" and religions in general.

I was around for the 70's, lol. Interestingly, J. Allen Hynek (of Project Blue Book) himself was a major consultant to Spielberg for this movie. Likely far more accurate than most realize.

I'll say it ... what if Bigfoot is just an alien species exploring?

144 documented events (significant enough they were documented that is.) Most pilots/military will tell you the vast majority of incidents go unreported.

Here's another recent event that is curious.

Looking forward to Jeremy Corbell's new information tomorrow!

Agreed, it could be a drone. But as the person notes it's in restricted airspace and nothing is showing up on radar. A helicopter should also be audible. If it is just a drone being tested by the military it seemingly has a very impressive battery/energy life (at the 3:30 mark of the video he notes he's already been locked on it for nearly 9 minutes at that point).

P. 5 .... quote:
"In 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics. Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion. In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings. The UAPTF holds a small amount of data that appear to show UAP demonstrating acceleration or a degree of signature management. Additional rigorous analysis are necessary by multiple teams or groups of technical experts to determine the nature and validity of these data. We are conducting further analysis to determine if breakthrough technologies were demonstrated."

P. 6 ... definition of the incidents falling into the "other" category, quote:
"we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better understand them."

Why do you think we would need new "scientific advances" just to "understand them"?? Hmm. And "managing a degree of signature management". Do you know what they are suggesting with that sentence??

If you think this report was intended in some way to convey some level of confidence that the military has zero concern and believes all of these incidents are explainable, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

The last sentence in the first quote specifically states " We are conducting further analysis to determine if breakthrough technologies were demonstrated". So YES, it appears they are looking to verify the data they HAVE.

And of course they're not going to come right and say what UFO's are. How moronic. But what they are strongly hinting at is that the objets are very real, are in our airspace, and are demonstrating abilities (breakthrough or not!) that suggest they are not benign (ie. not a weather balloon floating against the wind for example.)

Such a fun and fascinating topic to discuss with those who find it interesting.
So annoying and frustrating to have skeptics (trolls) who feel the need to constantly put you down and crap on everyone else's posts because they have nothing better to do in life.

Yes, some new stuff is expected to be revealed and lots of folks seem excited in the UFOlogist forums. Jeremy Corbell is reportedly preparing to drop something new at 7:30PM EST just prior to the show. Looking forward to new info (hopefully). He was just sending out a "UFO red alert" comment on his Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Just released right now!

The hubris to assume we "know" it all now and faster-than-light (FTL) is not possible is amazing. Scientists have already proposed an engine for FTL that would not violate phsyics as we know it currently (which is to say, HARDLY.)

Look up The Alcubierre drive. It's already just one proposal. Again, where will we be in 500 or 1000 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Also, I've said it before but it's worth repeating. EVERYTHING we have ever observed using our most sophisticated tools ever ... accounts for 5% of the universe. Just 5%!! The other 95% is dark matter and dark energy and we really have no idea what those things are and we've never directly observed them. We just know they're here somewhere. If we can't even find 95% of the universe how bright are we really?

I was referring to the actual science for where we stand to day regarding matter itself ... ALL matter that we know of (from subatomic particles to galaxies and everything we have ever observed) accounts for only 5% of the universe. The other 95% is made up of "dark matter" and "dark energy" that we've never observed directly. We really have no idea what they are. We just know they must exist or else galaxies would fly apart and nothing would be moving (notably away from each other) at the current speeds we've observed. This fact alone (that we can't "find" 95% of the universe and we have no idea what it really is) tells me we're incredibly ignorant in the grand scheme of things.

Please quote the person you think actually made that statement.

Nobody made the argument you just shoved in people's mouths. The argument made was against the belief that "science tells us FTL is impossible therefore we'll never reach another solar system and aliens will never be able to visit us here".

Arrogant egotism certainly isn't a virtue either.

WTH are you talking about? You did not state you "require extraordinary evidence" any time in recent conversation that I've read. You literally just made up an argument that nobody here made especially myself (nor have I "inferred" it). The discussion has been around whether we can ever achieve faster than light travel someday, period. Many of us believe we aren't nearly as intelligent as we think we are and absolutely it will one day be possible PERIOD.

Separately, because of this belief, many believe if there is intelligent life out there in our galaxy and they are ahead of us in intellectual evolution, they may well have already figured out FTL and could be visiting.

Why you always blow up and clearly get angered and emotional because everyone isn't as skeptical (or flat out denialist) as you is your own personal issue. Stay out of the thread if it's impacting your blood pressure.

Nahh. It was somewhat openly discussed a few years back that the U.S was developing a bomb specifically designed for the depth and size required to take out Iran's Natanz facility. I wonder where they would test such a device?

I'm pretty confident the United States has never "tested" a weapon for the very first time on an enemy (including 'Trinity' itself before heading to Japan as 'Little Boy').

Good summary of the Omaha incident including the most recently released footage from the deck of the Omaha.

https://www.mysterywire.com/video/mystery-wire-u-s-s-omaha-ufo-lights-video-adds-to-body-of-evidence/6784411/

If a higher intelligence developed FTL why would they have to be from a point of origin close to us? Presumably, if you can achieve FTL distance and time become less relevant, no?

As far as "choosing" to visit us, if we found a planet that could host life (and/or we suspected life was there) would we not absolutely want to visit and study life there? Of course we would. And surely they don't have to pick and travel to just one. The same species could be visiting dozens of solar systems simultaneously. And similar to the extreme measures we take from contaminating other bodies we travel to (the moon, mars, asteroids, etc) I suspect a higher intelligence would take great care as to how they introduce themselves (if at all) and how they study us without destroying us accidentally. I think it's logical to expect them to have an appreciation for the fragility of life.

I think the greatest obstacle to FTL is a sufficient energy source as it would certainly require an immense amount of energy. Bob Lazar always mentioned a type of anti-matter engine in the craft he tried to reverse engineer.

Umm, you're the one responding with personal attacks. Not me. You're lucky there must not be a mod interested in this thread because you are the one who repeatedly breaks the rules and is the troll.

I "keep stating" we can't know the technology of a supreme species?? What?? PLEASE QUOTE ME DIRECTLY instead of making my words up. All I've ever suggested is that any intelligent species out there could be thousands of years ahead of us and "they" may very well have solved FTL. Once that occurs, visiting planets within 1000 light years is probably achievable.

As others have stated, if you find this topic so upsetting and ridiculous then why do you keep posting and bumping it? Why do you keep attacking those of us trying to have a rational conversation?

Well you clearly do have a lot of time on your hands but 95% of those are both out of context and NOT a direct personal attack on anyone (much less an attack at all).

The troll comment is in regards to the few of you who repeat the same statements over and over and over again. "It's impossible". "There would be hig-res video/photos by now". That's not a "side" and it's not even logical argument, just statements you repeat over and over. The rest of us have added new videos, new ideas, and new and relevant news articles and developments that are actually happening.

BTW, the topic for the thread is not "do you believe aliens are real?"

You are literally the only one here who took the conversation off the rails to single me out. Practice what you preach.

This one is getting a fair amount of attention this past week because of how many people witnessed it (in South Carolina). It certainly seems unidentifiable to me albeit not necessarily a "craft" per se (unless it is 'cloaked'). But it does seem odd.

https://power1051.iheart.com/content/2021-07-06-ufo-stops-traffic-in-south-carolina-as-drivers-film-it/?pname=local_social&keyid=WWPR&sc=editorial&fbclid=IwAR00LEl-jFWAG7GOS1oiFoDIxizO4BgCu_XsjAIZ5iYX6jz4HdQ9w0mwF74

If you click on the second link I shared from a local radio station (below the video) the persons who took that video stated there were actually 2 objects in the sky and they rotated very oddly (not smooth rotation). I don't know but it does look odd.

Great interview between Glenn Beck and Sean Cahill (who was present on the Princeton for the Tic Tac incident)!! Worth the 11 minutes if you're interested in this topic.

Well, Glenn Beck may be a clown but I thought Sean's story from his perspective on the Princeton was pretty fascinating. There is simply too much evidence to suggest this incident did not happen. So, the only question becomes ... what were these machines?

If you're a skeptic I have to think your only explanation is that these were from one of our adversaries. But that raises enormous other alarming conclusions (such that they've leaped us in a massive technology breakthrough.)

If you're open to the idea of other intelligent life then there are countless possibilities but all of them are incredible to even consider (intelligent life somewhere in our own solar system? Life from a different dimension? Intelligent life from a different time? From a different solar system? etc. etc.)

Interesting new article regarding a recently declassified Australian government report from 1970.

https://unknownboundaries.com/declassified-australian-report-analyzes-weapons-ufos-use-against-humans/?fbclid=IwAR3INwIhHsDU3ME2ntJuT0lvDc0I1p_3p_iNwlbP7LDzxBGNmQKfmljVJ1A

"Citizen Hearing" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/CitizenHearing

Watch all parts online for free (on the above channel)

Umm, we've only ever landed on 2 planets (and of those, I believe we've only landed a handful of times on Venus with very, very limited communication before the craft died). Beyond that, I believe the only moon we've actually landed on is our own. Sooooo ... I'm thinking we've explored hardly anything even in just our own solar system. In fact, a large percentage of our own Earth has never been explored. We're not as educated as we think!! We're like a newborn infant just now opening our eyes on the Universe (much less our own Galaxy and even our own solar system!!!). James Webb telescope should reveal some amazing discoveries!

But Earth is the ONLY planet in our particular solar system's habitable zone as we believe it to be. The only one. We have no pictures of any planet outside of our solar system. None.
We have just now recently discovered other solar systems which have (in some cases) multiple planets in their own habitable zone. We won't be getting pictures of them any time soon, however.
One last thought. As we sit right now we are just a snapshot in time. The planets in our solar system were not born in their orbits where they sit now. We believe Mars was likely once inside our habitable zone and had flowing water (and thus, likely plant life at a minimum). So I'm not sure how we can conclude how special (or not) we are given how little we know right now. There could very well be plant life on some of the other moons in our own solar system.

Huh? I'm not aware of Hubble EVER contributing information (much less concrete information) on "planetary characteristics" outside of our own solar system. Never (inside our solar system, of course). If you have a link to an article or other information I'd be interested in reading more.

That said as I understand, our "best guess" is that those exo-planets between half of Earth’s size to twice its radius are considered terrestrial (rocky) and others may be even smaller. Thus, from that we infer, wheter an exoplanet "MIGHT" be rocky combined with its' distance from its' own sun, we postulate whether it could potentially be habitable. That's it. Nothing concrete to say the least.

Oh, no, admitedly that is even more information than I was aware of (that Hubble was used for in planet hunting) but it's still next to nothing (when you're looking for direct evidence of plant life). A handful of planet obvervations and "possible" characteristics? And certainly not direct photographic evidence (beyond the technical capture of direct visible light of the one). That was my 'down vote'.
To read Phil's comment "everywhere we look .. just rocks" I think you need to put that into perspective. We've "looked" almost NOWHERE, lol (albeit we're trying and getting better). We have only clear photographs of planets in our own solar system and as I noted, we're the only planet in the habitable zone of our particular solar system. Additionally, the habitable zone is defined as the range from the a given sun where a planet could potentially have liquid water on its' surface (among other factors) but that doesn't mean life (even plant life) may not exist elsewhere in a solar system. We now know there are other heating processes (radioactive decay, tidal processes, thermal vents, etc) that could also create the necessary elements for life as we know it. We know Jupiter's moon Europa (for example) has a liquid water ocean well below its' surface ... but we have NO idea what kind of life might be down there. Could be all kinds!
So the point is, we have just barely even opened our eyes so to state "everywhere we look ..." just seems a bit odd to say when you realize how incredibly little we've been able to look at. Scientists now believe there are tens of billions of stars in our Milky Way alone (up to 100 billion stars!) and each one of those may have on average 7 to 10 planets and each one of those could have countless moons.

We're not even sure if we are the first industrialized civilization here on Earth! Most people just assume we are. Think about that, lol. It's plausible several have failed before us right here on Earth.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/

Just gonna throw this out there ...

There are some serious problems with this theory, however. Notably, "anti-gravity" is not just a single isolated problem to be solved. To create a craft that could actually generate anti-gravity it would still have to have a multitude of other major advances namely materials that could survive the enormous G-forces these craft are moving at (everything from the materials the ship itself is made of to the computer chips/wafers that run it.) Certainly these wouldn't be manned craft as our bodies would not survive. Materials would have to overcome enormous heat and friction as well. Additionally, anti-gravity alone does not explain the trans-medium nature of the witnessed "spherical" craft. Then there's the advanced energy source that keeps these craft aloft for hours and running this high-tech. That's like dozens and dozens of other HIGHLY advanced technologies combined.

In addition to this, your theory does not explain what these craft are doing in our airspace and restricted waters. In the case of the Tic-Tac for example, it wasn't spying on us or tracking our ships. It was us who intercepted that craft in (on?) our waters. It just doesn't seem to make much logical sense that these (presumably) incredibly highly secret craft would so recklessly be found and intercepted if it were one of our adversaries and if our adversary knew we had similar technology I think they would be picking on lesser nations, no?