Great thread! I've always been a huge skeptic, but I love this topic. Especially now that we know the Gov't admits there are things in our restricted airspace that is far beyond our military's control. The implications of this phenomenon, are terrifying to say the least. We are not the most powerful force on the planet or even our own airspace, and apparently we never were. I think the only safe assumption is that since these UFOs possess such amazing tech, they couldn't possibly belong to either of our (US) enemies, Russia or China. We clearly would have been trounced by either one of them at this point if they had access to that level of tech.

Since none of us peons will ever really know what it is that the most secretive parts of our government has created or discovered, I suspect these UFOs are most likely a black ops program. But If that's true, and it is one of ours, then of course that raises several other question. How did they develop such other worldly tech? What else are they capable of and why hide it from the masses? Why not let the world benefit from what would be a new dawn in human civilization? We'd be a type 1 civilization, overnight.

With that being said, I wouldn't be shocked if it's something of this Earth, that has always been here, but is not man made. To think that we could have been sharing this planet all along with a far superior civilization would be mind blowing. I don't expect any more bombshells, but I am looking forward to the report next month. I just hope they give us some real "red meat" details in their briefing.

All you guys throwing your math probabilities around, can throw that shit out the window. Obviously, these things that are being observed, defy our understanding of physics, so it's kind of a weak argument to use our knowledge on physics to explain them away or talk about how impossible they are mathematically. Our limitations as a civilization might not be universal.
Hubris is a dangerous thing, especially when dealing with the unknown.

My only point was that these things are admittedly unknown. Expert observers have said as much. Acting like you're the smartest guy in the room isnt impressing anyone. I've also been extremely skeptical for years, but I'm not going to tell fighter pilots they dont know what they're looking at because I broke out my calculator and and it didnt add up.

So yes, it is obvious that there are objects flying around that defy OUR understanding of how they work. I'll take eye witness accounts from veteran, expert, military pilots over your self appointed declaration of expertise because you've "researched " them for years.

Anything is possible. The only reason I dont think it's a hoax is because these kinds of reports have been going on for decades.

Plus there's been no reports of hostility or use of force that I'm aware of. Maybe that'll be phase 2? A staged attack with plenty of witnesses. Maybe theyll actually breakout the good cameras for that show?

No worries. Definitely no bad blood in my view even if you think my POV is ridiculous. It's just a little debate. I'm not hellbent on changing anybody's mind. I'm just open to the possibility that these things are a real life "alien" like technology.
Whether they're man made or not remains to be seen.

I just saw this a few minutes ago. This is very disturbing to say the least. I hope they're ours, but it really wouldnt' make sense for these objects to be used in this way.

None of it makes any sense. Why admit anything at all when it comes to UFOs? I'm not buying into the argument that their hand is being forced on this issue.

Yeah. Something has definitely changed their attitude.
I'd be interested to know if the military has noticed a big increase in UFO sightings in recent years? If so, by how much and what could that mean for us?

I could see that being the case. Or they can use it in other ways. They could put fear into our enemies by letting them think this tech belongs to us.
Ultimately I dont believe any government with these capabilities would show much restraint.

From what I understood about how anti gravity might work, is that space moves around you, instead of you moving through space.

Kind of like this old coin op game.

Never watched that show. Actually, I saw a physicist explain it on youtube years ago. And yeah, I love those old coin ops.

You're right! I think you are bat shit crazy, but it would make for an interesting movie.

I was hoping that he was just trolling.

You seem a little too combative about this topic.

I dont believe in ghosts, bigfoot or the Lochness Monster either, but the fact remains that something highly advanced appears to be flying around in our restricted air space. Comparing any of the aforementioned topics to UFOs/UAPs is a false equivalency.

I personally never gave much thought to the UFO phenomenon, until last year. Plus I don't trust the US govt to be truthful about much of anything when it comes to advanced technology they may possess . But The fact that they're now willing to admit these things exist and cant be explained by conventional theories, requires it to be taken seriously. They're either lying to us and know exactly who and what it is or they dont have a clue. Either way it's a bit disconcerting imo.

I'll help you play ghost hunter. Are you supplying the beer? In all seriousness, I've never come across anything or experienced anything even remotely supernatural.

You never know. Just a few weeks ago I moved into an old farm house that the prior residents claim is haunted. If I ever see any of these apparitions I will be posting about it.

You're going to help deal with real issues on a pinball forum? That's f'n ludicrous and I think it needs to be pointed out.

There is clearly something unexplainable going on, but it unfortunately it looks like it will just be an excuse for another bloated, budget, money grab. Somehow more funding is going to be needed to investigate objects in our restricted airspace. The same air space that just so happens to be the most heavily monitored and guarded areas on Earth already.

I thought that was just about moving money around that's already been allocated? I didn't think that applied to new funding. Either way, this investigation will just become another jobs program that will more than likely yield ambiguous/zero results.

UFOs? Sure, I'm game. Ghosts/paranormal activity? Yeah, why not? But, Big Foot is where I draw the line. I just can not entertain stories about the king of hide and seek.

Edit: I don't know what to make of them, but I do find NDEs very interesting as well.

You boys are having way too much fun with this "frivolous" topic/conversation. I'm sure a harsh scolding, a good talking to, and an ole fashioned intellectual ass stomping will be in order sometime today or tomorrow.

You sound like the guys that told the Wright brothers that flight wasn't possible.

How could you possibly be aware of any civilizations that were that far ahead of us technologically?

Not exactly a Mensa meeting. At the very least, that guy seemed like he had an interesting story to tell, but the dopes in the room with him were unbearably annoying. Alien invasions are a bridge too far for me, but it would have been nice to hear his story uninterrupted.

Just my opinion, but I think this is the most likely option. Black Op's programs are what I believe is being displayed, but not just radar jamming tech. I still think it's a not so subtle way to let our adversaries know our military possesses aircrafts that are capable of incredible maneuvers. It's not a good look for the military and our Gov't to admit we have objects in our airspace that they can't identify or stop. And since this game changing tech would have an incredibly, radical impact on society, they'd rather just play the old "we don't know what theses things are" card instead. It's kind of a backhanded admission, while at the same time making other countries wonder about our militaries true ability.

You would think so, wouldn't you? But like I said earlier, the kind of tech that the ufo community claims these aircraft possess would be too much of a game changer for how our society works. The problem is, if the government did admit they have this level of technology, the masses would be up in arms if it wasn't released to the public to better our society and standard of living. I'm sure the oil companies, the military industrial complex and the powers that be, wouldn't be too happy about everyone being able to seemingly produce their own unlimited energy. Particularly, Energy that doesn't require fossil fuels or their Petro Dollar.

No clue. But If this technology does truly exist, I wouldn't be surprised if this was home grown tech. We're dumping billions if not trillions into these military programs. Not even the accounting is accurate, much less what they're actually doing with that money.

I'd love for it to be an alien tech that humanity has learned to master. There is a lot of interesting writings an drawings by ancient civilizations. Maybe someone is visiting us?? Im open to the idea of aliens.

Unfortunately, nothing and I mean absolutely nothing is ever done for the greater good these days.So even if we do possess this tech, it will never be used to help humanity and eventually it will be used against us. Tbis doesn't make me an expert, but I was a military contractor for almost 20 years. I worked on simulation equipment for the army. I can tell you first hand that There is zero accountability at the top of the food chain. I mean zero!! The amount of money I've seen get wasted over the years is nauseating . Lockheed Martin was the biggest offender that ive worked under. And once a contract is awarded to a company like Lockheed or Raytheon, they become the prime contractor. Once they're the prime, they can and do get very "creative" with that pot of money. So any or all of these companies having programs that run under the radar of even the CIA, would not surprise me in the least.

Strange how this topic is no longer in the news.
I guess all the talk about a nuclear war, is enough of a distraction these days.