You are absolutely correct. It is completely unnecessary and non-productive of me to fall to ad hominem. Please accept my apology. I don't find the topic "upsetting and ridiculous"; however, I do sometimes find the opinions of others to be ridiculous and the trust in people in government to be upsetting.

This one is getting a fair amount of attention this past week because of how many people witnessed it (in South Carolina). It certainly seems unidentifiable to me albeit not necessarily a "craft" per se (unless it is 'cloaked'). But it does seem odd.

https://power1051.iheart.com/content/2021-07-06-ufo-stops-traffic-in-south-carolina-as-drivers-film-it/?pname=local_social&keyid=WWPR&sc=editorial&fbclid=IwAR00LEl-jFWAG7GOS1oiFoDIxizO4BgCu_XsjAIZ5iYX6jz4HdQ9w0mwF74

Looks like balloons

I read that many (who saw it first hand) believed it to be a large plastic bag.

that's was my first thought also

If you click on the second link I shared from a local radio station (below the video) the persons who took that video stated there were actually 2 objects in the sky and they rotated very oddly (not smooth rotation). I don't know but it does look odd.

Yeah I might have to pass on that one JM. But…that video was not doctored.

Humans are pattern-seeking animals. Our perceptions are fallible. We bias towards seeing something that isn't there, rather than the opposite (this is good for survival). I just learned this has a name -- pareidolia.

Please ... be on the look out for my star - child Pasquel. He's likely hungry. Please ..he's about 3 foot tall...likely skinny and afraid. If you see him. Please let me know.

Looks like a foam cloud

Deleted post..had a few drinky poos

Great interview between Glenn Beck and Sean Cahill (who was present on the Princeton for the Tic Tac incident)!! Worth the 11 minutes if you're interested in this topic.

Sat out last Friday, Saturday, and Sunday with no moon, looking at the night sky for hours. Saw a couple of awesome shooting stars. Dozens of satellites. But no UFO's.

Did see 2 satellites that were perfectly spaced and on the same trajectory. Starlink I'm guessing. Looked very cool!

I thought bubbles!

I mean, bubbles with thoughts... yeah thought balloons too though maybe I guess!?

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May seem that way sometimes...

I would argue, even though intelligence is a more or less kind of attribute, I don't think it is as important, nor the cause, as it might seem to be.

Well, very intelligent people still can do bad and/or stupid things.

Intelligence level is not what makes people bad, nor what makes them prone to do stupid things. I think it is a pretty level playing field in that regard. Sometimes more intelligent can = capacity to do even worse things.

No different than a computer. Bullshi+ in equals bullshi+ out. Regardless of the amount of computing Power.

Now if you teach the computer to only take an input of bullshi+ .... tell me what would that leave you with?

Whether people are good or right or positive or whatever, I think you'll find there be little correlation with level of intelligence.

I thought I knew 3+3=6. I still know that I've been tricked, and yeah it kinda sux to have that proven to ones self. But, admitting to be wrong where it is shown, is still better than "knowing I'm right!" when actually I am not. So tough as facing up to it is, it's still better.

Like lying, been tricked. Everyone has been part of both at some point. For some, alot, for others not as much. But if I can't recognise and admit it, I'm continuing a lie.

Research Iridium. They were going to compete against cell phones. Launched HUNDREDS of satellites, contributed to most Space Junk then anyone else in History.
All of these sporadic communication devices are reaching lower orbit from being in space so long.
They will ALL be returning to Terra Firma within the next few years.

The perfect excuse to deny miracles. It would be fun to see the Guy who came up with this concept.
Yes, it's real. Not in all cases. Many times authentic phenomena are written off as pareidolia.
Makes people comfortable when they have a supposed rational explanation for supernatural occurrences.

said no one ever. Dude is a clown.

You cant argue with science based people because their entire self worth is based on being (or believing they are) smarter than you and know everything.

They have zero ability to admit there may be things they dont know or understand.

They will stand there yelling "show me the proof" because the alternative is that they have to admit they have no clue.

Well, Glenn Beck may be a clown but I thought Sean's story from his perspective on the Princeton was pretty fascinating. There is simply too much evidence to suggest this incident did not happen. So, the only question becomes ... what were these machines?

If you're a skeptic I have to think your only explanation is that these were from one of our adversaries. But that raises enormous other alarming conclusions (such that they've leaped us in a massive technology breakthrough.)

If you're open to the idea of other intelligent life then there are countless possibilities but all of them are incredible to even consider (intelligent life somewhere in our own solar system? Life from a different dimension? Intelligent life from a different time? From a different solar system? etc. etc.)

Interesting new article regarding a recently declassified Australian government report from 1970.

https://unknownboundaries.com/declassified-australian-report-analyzes-weapons-ufos-use-against-humans/?fbclid=IwAR3INwIhHsDU3ME2ntJuT0lvDc0I1p_3p_iNwlbP7LDzxBGNmQKfmljVJ1A

"Citizen Hearing" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/CitizenHearing

Watch all parts online for free (on the above channel)

It's seems pretty fair to say that "ufo" are just secret "allied aircraft". As in, us. "Shock horror, but that is (wait for it) .... Unbelievable!!!"

Probably there are e.t. "ufo" as well ... but it would make sense they try not to be seen. Whereas "ufo" that belong to us get paraded about the place to stir up hype Lol

"Kill those dirty hostile bugs!!"

Beginning to doubt the Classic "ET".
Look closely at the Planets/ Comets/Moons we have photographed.
No Trees, Weeds, Grass/ Kiss my ass..
Sorry about that,working on a Song. Anyway, there is nothing growing.
No Lichen Moss, nothing. Just another rock outpost, hot or cold.
Why?
There should be SOMETHING crawling around or infesting flora/fauna.
Organisms have been found on Earth in the hottest/coldest environments.
In this most perfect Spacial environment for life there should be leftovers,maybe Mars, Venus, or Saturn as well as the Moon.
Maybe primitive crawly things or bio-sludge. Nothing, just rocks and dust.

Umm, we've only ever landed on 2 planets (and of those, I believe we've only landed a handful of times on Venus with very, very limited communication before the craft died). Beyond that, I believe the only moon we've actually landed on is our own. Sooooo ... I'm thinking we've explored hardly anything even in just our own solar system. In fact, a large percentage of our own Earth has never been explored. We're not as educated as we think!! We're like a newborn infant just now opening our eyes on the Universe (much less our own Galaxy and even our own solar system!!!). James Webb telescope should reveal some amazing discoveries!

Historical records( or conspiracy Websites) tell us they fired metallic-tipped warheads into the Moons surface and recorded the resonance/vibrations.
These recordings indicated the Moon resonated as a hollow, metal structure.
Whats up with that? Is it all BS?

I specified PHOTOGRAPHED, not landed on.
We have also landed on Comets.
Much information has been gleaned from fly-bys.
Rocks, dust.

It is rubish to apply this to everyone or all science, unless you apply it to yourself as well!?. Clearly too many people have literally no idea what science is about. Yet claim to, and rubbish it. Blind leading the blind.

Science is not ignorance or propogating nonsense, nor silencing anyone whom disagrees with you. Seems to be on display alot. Thankfully the censorship isn't too thick on the ground here, unlike some places.

People get to be extremists, as demonstrated about the place, but can't admit it based on blind pre-existing "beliefs" and the perpetuated ignorance that gets subscribed to.

Same with scientists, same with pinsiders, same with anyone. Part reason part crap. . Yep that Beck guy talks some crap, for sure. Just like what I quoted. Just like me as well. Science is talking it out, not slandering any other view without checking thoroughly. Also it is realising most times we are wrong. "Scientists" saying "trust me" while silencing any other view, absolutely are not scientific. Trusting "hear-say", is Not scientific either.

Humans need to communicate to learn anything much of significance. On our own we are too likely to get too much wrong. Not helped by the ignorance getting around I'm afraid to say.

What does help is communication across groups. Between brains. Censorship does not facilitate consensus.

Nobody notices communication being discouraged lately?? . What do we think censorship is? . Good??? . Censorship may well be good for the overly fragile. TUP TUP!. All it does is prevent learning. Censorship is organised against science. Read it and weep. Yep people say wrong things, but with no free speech it can be impossible to discover that the wrong thing being said, is wrong. Now look, suddenly wrong is right and right is wrong!?

No questioning now, okay!.

Whom is going to be the all powerfull deciding what is "right" and what is "wrong"?. I guarantee by the end it will be someone whom disagrees with YOU. Do you still advocate censorship once you believe you are right, but now things turned and your "right think" ends up being the view being automatically wrong and censored?. Back to science requiring uncensored discussion. Taking that away means no more science. Period.

I suppose that is good if we do not want people to learn stuff. Want more dumb mob people.

Elvishasleft, if you didn't reklessly throw the words "They" and "Zero" in there I probably wouldn't have bothered writing anything. "They" is much to broad and vague, you tar All of science with the same brush. Combined with saying "zero" makes things prety extremist. Although, in some ways I do certainly agree with the guts of what you're saying, in some aspects, but would have to define "they" to not include All Scientists. I can agree with regard to orprate "science".

Science is history. Well, barely even that anymore, hey.

Science does not require one to be an "academic" you know. It is free anyone can play as long as an individual can grasp the basic principles of doing practical science. Most people do not, basically knock themselves out instantly by advocating "censorship" or ignorance. What do we mean when we say we "know"? . What of "updates"?.

Also brought up prior ... if the civilisation is millions of years old OR they can manipulate time/space/mass then FTL travel doesn't matter in all likelyhood.

Advanced beyond our understanding, is simply that.

I still rekon "likely" they are watching us.
Likely we never see e.t. based vehicles.
Likely they are the only thing that can save us from ourselves.
Likely we will be told, and foolishly pretend, they are the enemy.

Those are just my "guess" Lol
But seems pretty feasible. Well beyond our "photographing" range as well.

We all know those Rovers on Mars were "Contaminated" with primitive life, either accidentally or on purpose.
The frustration at not finding any proof of life on Mars is much larger then can be explained here.
For to find ANY source of life on another Planet would be HUGE.
Religion is suddenly in question, or outright disproved.
A Petri dish of simple organisms delivered to a sterile environment is any Scientist wet dream.

For many people UFO/e.t. are their "new religion" or cult. Cults mostly just implode, since they are often based somehow on bunk.

Why is supposedly not finding life on Mars frustrating in some way?. I don't get it. lol

More frustrating crap closer to home.

There are those desperate to find or prove life originated somewhere else other than Earth.
Right now Earth is exceptional and unique.
Life on Earth and nowhere else supports ancient teachings.
Many have spent billions to destroy these conceptions.
It may not be at the forefront or listed in any Official mission statements.
Finding proof of life developing elsewhere is THE main goal.
So far, it hasn't happened (See Rocks and Dust)
Not only Mars. High resolution cameras developed for Space exploration tell volumes about a Planet simply from fly-by.
Right now they tell of dead,barren life-free terrains in every case.
They all look the same. No life, not even moss.
No water save frozen methane/ammonium permafrost.
I will say it one more time and quit. Rocks. Dust.
Our place in the Universe is unique with a diverse ecosystem. Yet nothing developed or exists anywhere near Earth.
If it was going to happen it would have happened here.

I was just going to click like and leave it there. But wanted to say I do appreciate the response mate. Thank you.

Some I had heard, some I had not.

I can't disagree with some of that, but I can't agree with some either. I learned something new one way or another.

This is the point. No two humans will have the same view on Everything. By definition we are all physically unique with unique experience.

The way humans get more "correct" about things is by sharing their view and discovering the common ground. With other humans whom disagree with them. Broader is better too. Alternative is an echo chamber of potentially flawed beliefs.

Open communication, say what you think. Yep it's hard, and it's work. People will disagree sometimes, hopefully respectfuly and with some reasons, and questions. Signs of some healthy discussion.

Almost seems harder than pinball these days

But Earth is the ONLY planet in our particular solar system's habitable zone as we believe it to be. The only one. We have no pictures of any planet outside of our solar system. None.
We have just now recently discovered other solar systems which have (in some cases) multiple planets in their own habitable zone. We won't be getting pictures of them any time soon, however.
One last thought. As we sit right now we are just a snapshot in time. The planets in our solar system were not born in their orbits where they sit now. We believe Mars was likely once inside our habitable zone and had flowing water (and thus, likely plant life at a minimum). So I'm not sure how we can conclude how special (or not) we are given how little we know right now. There could very well be plant life on some of the other moons in our own solar system.

Anayze

They want to find or tell us they found life or proof of past life to help them with the lie that God doesn’t exist.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In 50 years I've seen no evidence of a god.

You're not paying attention.

Free will man. I’m not religious but I believe in one ideal. Nature. Nothing goes to waste in it.

With that being said, think about this.

All of our feelings, thoughts, fears, loves, hates, general experiences from birth to death. That all just, goes away? Poof. Just grey matter electrons. That would be a waste. I have no concept of where our collective life energies we lived will go, but to just fade to black and that’s it? Nah. Genetic life experience handed down? Yes. Evidence of that. But the essence of YOU? That’s a lot of energy spent on nothing if death is final. Never been to church and I come from a broken family, so no misguided teachings of preconceived ideals.

Something in me truly believes my best experiences are after death. No idea why or how.

Because too many people have been there and came back...and it's not simply a lack of oxygen to the brain when you can recite conversations verbatim that occurred outside the room where you died. Tons of literature on this stuff and the accounts from children are the most chilling.

Time for us to get out of the deep end of the pool Boob, we’re starting to wrinkle.

‘Take me to your leader!’ There. That’s better…

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Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I've seen no extraordinary proof of a god devised by human religion. From my own personal experience ( I have been paying attention ) I believe that we are all a part of god. And that our soul will return to god when this mortal coil expires.

The argument that science looks for life beyond earth for the sole purpose of proving religion wrong is laughable. We search so that we can find answers.

We already know that compounds essential to life can survive in deep space.
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/goddard/2019/sugars-in-meteorites

I remember when we had no knowledge of water outside of Earth. We don't know what we don't know.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a14555/water-worlds-in-our-solar-system/

This is a spiritual discussion. Not religious.

Who put you in charge? Butt out if you have nothing positive to add to what has been a stimulting conversation, a rarity these days.
We know the rules.

Glad you don't follow this method. You better believe to many it is the MOST important reason for the search. Countless articles from many Authors always bring it up in the discussion.

Enhanced images from Hubble are better than photographs, showing a dozen parameters and detailing planetary characteristics.

Huh? I'm not aware of Hubble EVER contributing information (much less concrete information) on "planetary characteristics" outside of our own solar system. Never (inside our solar system, of course). If you have a link to an article or other information I'd be interested in reading more.

That said as I understand, our "best guess" is that those exo-planets between half of Earth’s size to twice its radius are considered terrestrial (rocky) and others may be even smaller. Thus, from that we infer, wheter an exoplanet "MIGHT" be rocky combined with its' distance from its' own sun, we postulate whether it could potentially be habitable. That's it. Nothing concrete to say the least.

Use the drain button. Nobody here is offended so perhaps this isn't the thread for you. Just a bunch of intelligent guys with differing opinions having an intelligent and (mostly) uninflammatory discussion.

Don’t over think it. You dead will be just like before you were born.