With all these epic announcements and games being made by so many different manufacturers, I was thinking now is a great time for PPS to tell the world what game will be after MMR. This might help buyers allocate funds for what they might want most.
Just a thought.
I think we will be seeing monster announcements all over the board this year.
No. They should wait until after production starts so people don't cancel. These other guys are idiots and risk losing deposits from one game to another.
They don't need to take deposits, just confirm in fact what title will be made next.
Quoted from extraballingtmc:No. They should wait until after production starts so people don't cancel. These other guys are idiots and risk losing deposits from one game to another.
Quoted from srmonte:They don't need to take deposits, just confirm in fact what title will be made next.
Either way people might cancel a mmr deposit or th deposit and save money for the next big game. Bad business decision imo
jeez ... we are already epic for this year! lol (MM is debatably the #1 game of all ... and MMR builds on top of that ...), so people should have money as not too many new games are out there ... also i'd probably see if we can give some interesting perks around game #2-#N to people for people who got a game #1 ... of course this is all hypothetical ... we will focus on the current game, and when that is all in hand then we can mess around with all of you on games #2-#N ...
No they shouldn't. There are far to many "announcements" going on, and not near enough output (if at all). Everybody is in a hurry to announce the "next big thing", meanwhile producing the "last big thing" slows to a crawl and falls by the wayside, leaving hundreds, if not thousands of people disgruntled.
Quoted from Paul_from_Gilroy:The new and improved Cactus Canyon. No brainer. No poll needed
well, there's no arguing the fact that it's huge in the "rarity" department, but the gameplay / art / theme isn't top-5 material in my opinion. sure, they could complete the code (or implement CCC's work or whatever) but I think there are still a handful of better games available to them. just my opinion of course!
I thought game two was already widely known...I guess not. I think it's pretty obvious though. However, I don't think at $8K it will sell well.
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Quoted from Borygard:However, I don't think at $8K it will sell well.
eating-crow.pngQuoted from Paul_from_Gilroy:The new and improved Cactus Canyon. No brainer. No poll needed
^This^ with enhanced code (I'm in!)
Quoted from PPS:jeez ... we are already epic for this year! lol (MM is debatably the #1 game of all ... and MMR builds on top of that ...), so people should have money as not too many new games are out there ... also i'd probably see if we can give some interesting perks around game #2-#N to people for people who got a game #1 ... of course this is all hypothetical ... we will focus on the current game, and when that is all in hand then we can mess around with all of you on games #2-#N ...
Theme will take precedence in most cases, but some 'perks' may get a buyer to spend their money with one company versus another. The competition is only going to increase for dollars in the hobby that isn't growing as fast as the number of companies producing pins, so the companies will need to differentiate themselves.
I think Stern may take the biggest hit down the road as more and more companies produce pinball machines as that is their core business. Jack (not JJP) & PPS have other arms of their businesses. The boutique guys are more than likely not as heavily invested/relying on selling pins for their livlihood.
I'm down with the possible PPS perks as I'm a charter MMr member.
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I'll be happy to eat some crow if the current state of the hobby can support selling a game for $8K, in quantities to make it worth it, that's currently available in collector quality condition, in the $6K range.
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Quoted from jlm33:Oh no please... no more of this! You haven't seen game #1 and already asking for #2?
We have to get out of the "we only have 1 pinball mfg" mentality. With more and more companies producing pins, they can't wait until every i is dotted and every t is crossed to announce what they are planning. Our beloved hobby can only support so many NIB pins right now. There's only 1 pie.
BTW, we have seen game #1, granted not in our houses yet.
Quoted from Borygard:'ll be happy to eat some crow if the current state of the hobby can support selling a game for $8K, in quantities to make it worth it, that's currently available in collector quality condition, in the $6K range.
Hmm.....FH? FT? Not many other highly desirable, non-licensed games out there that sell for $6k in CQ condition.
What could it be......?
Cactus Canyon + Cactus Canyon Continued alternate rules. Epthegeek would get a part of the proceeds for his efforts. There should be a way to run P-ROC code on the Beagleboard. Just give the buyer the option of installing CCC to the micro SD card when he gets his game as opposed to the stock ruleset from the factory. This should please Williams as well.
My question is... how many games can Rick possibly make that will turn a profit? MMr sold out in an hour (give or take) but that is due to MM selling for 10k plus so the 8k price tag had them going out the door. How many other games sell at 8k+ (TOTN, CC and????)? Unless the remakes are far superior and offer something that is a most have I wouldn't be prone to spend 8k on a new machine if I can get a used one in excellent condition for 7k or less.
Quoted from PPS:we will focus on the current game, and when that is all in hand then we can mess around with all of you on games #2-#N ...
So I'm able to plan my pinball buying for the next several years, can you please list all games that you'll be making, in order, from #2 to our hypothetical end point N? This will allow me to decide, years in advance, which games I will want to buy and which ones I'll pass on.
You know I'm just messing with you but am excited by the fact that you're seeing 2 to N, where N is some number larger than 2, games being remade in the future.
Dave
Quoted from egyptrus:So I'm able to plan my pinball buying for the next several years, can you please list all games that you'll be making, in order, from #2 to our hypothetical end point N? This will allow me to decide, years in advance, which games I will want to buy and which ones I'll pass on.
You know I'm just messing with you but am excited by the fact that you're seeing 2 to N, where N is some number larger than 2, games being remade in the future.
Dave
If i thought CC was the next PPS game I would wait for it, but since i dont know i may go ahead and buy AC/DC Luci. The problem is that i am running out of room and cash 
They need to at least announce an upcoming announcement. We'll be out of topics by Friday if they don't.
Quoted from PPS:do I hear a poll coming ???
That's what SHE said! 
Quoted from spfxted:That's what SHE said!
"Poll"!, not pole.
Quoted from srmonte:With all these epic announcements and games being made by so many different manufacturers, I was thinking now is a great time for PPS to tell the world what game will be after MMR. This might help buyers allocate funds for what they might want most.
Just a thought.
I think we will be seeing monster announcements all over the board this year.
Pump the brakes son.
Quoted from jlm33:Oh no please... no more of this!
You haven't seen game #1 and already asking for #2?
Not only that but no one has actually even paid for game #1 yet! I'm sure PPS wants to see how many people actually buy MMR before thinking about another possible title.
Sending in a grand that is fully refundable isn't much of a commitment… what happens when the $7000 NON REFUNDABLE balance is due????
Quoted from lordloss:Likely releases if they keep doing more pins:
1. MM
2. AFM
3. CCC
____________ Lesser possibility:
4. Monster Bash
CCC?
I know its insanely priced in the market, but I always attributed that to rarity, not the quality of its gameplay.
IMO, its a fun game to play once in a while, but if it were in wide availability, i think its popularity would plummet.
Edit: hmmm, I guess Im talking about CC.... so CCC? maybe thats the game changer.... Id still put MB far above it.
Quoted from lowepg:CCC?
I know its insanely priced in the market, but I always attributed that to rarity, not the quality of its gameplay.
IMO, its a fun game to play once in a while, but if it were in wide availability, i think its popularity would plummet.
Edit: hmmm, I guess Im talking about CC.... so CCC? maybe thats the game changer.... Id still put MB far above it.
What you put above what is inconsequential. As many have stated before it's a licensing issue with mb.
They surely wouldn't wouldn't make afm after mm as mm is basically afm 2.0, is theme really a deal breaker here for people?
Cc(c), cv, original original theme. If the first pin or two are successful from a build and code point of view and delivery times are reasonable there's no reason why they can't do a teen zombie whores sorority haunted house.
Quoted from PPS:also i'd probably see if we can give some interesting perks around game #2-#N to people for people who got a game #1 ... of course this is all hypothetical
I didn't choose to reserve a specific # for MMRLE, but I'm sure I'll also be buying whatever the next title is. A nice perk would be giving repeat customers the same # from MMRLE on title 2 at no cost. Our personal info would already be in the billing system so it hopefully would be fairly simple to do this.
Quoted from pezpunk:my money is on Mousin' Around LE
I would buy a brand new Mousin' Around for $3,000.
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