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So I'm working a deal for these 10 EM machines but ..


By RacingPin

1 year ago



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    #1 1 year ago

    The owner says they can be wiped off and put in a museum. I'm trying to find the correct way to explain that they are basically parts machine. I offered $400 and then went to $600 for all. These were her dad's (now deceased) machines. The logistics to get them out are also a problem too. I figure I'll wait it out and see what other offers she gets.

    Here is what I think is there:

    King Kool
    Beatnik
    2 in 1
    (2) A Go Go
    Gridiron
    4 Aces
    Bally Clover Bell
    Ringer
    2 other mid 70s Williams

    Question 1: What is that Williams Ringer machine and is there any demand for that
    Question 2: The value of the Bally Cover Bell slot? machine?

    Mike V

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    #2 1 year ago

    The ringer game is very collectible, I would love to have one...that one looks pretty rough...

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    #3 1 year ago

    Yikes

    Although not a pinball, Ringer would be the most desirable in the group for me. Good luck!

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    #4 1 year ago

    Show him photos of a classic car in need of repairs:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rusted+shell+corvette&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ1b_32I3YAhWwkOAKHQoCCJEQsAQIKA&biw=1127&bih=552

    Try explaining that if those pins were cars, this is more or less what he would have:
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    #5 1 year ago

    The Ringer is the only one that could hold its value. I have looked at 2 in the past, and the price always starts at the 1,200-1,500 range for an ok decent one. I would be afraid to even touch most of those others.

    #6 1 year ago

    I think your offer is generous.. With that said, I'd pay $200 for a good Beatniks backglass.. Those "slot machines" are very difficult to sell and really not worth the trouble.

    #7 1 year ago

    She should do this as I'm in 100% agreement with her.
    Step 1: wipe down machines.
    Step 2: load up machines in truck bound for museum

    #8 1 year ago

    That woman must be on drugs! Lol

    #9 1 year ago

    Run....the dump fees would be more than this pile is worth...

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    #10 1 year ago

    You'd be a saint to haul all of that garbage out for her for free.

    I'd offer a couple hundred for the Ringer but the rest, you'd genuinely have to pay me for the service.

    #11 1 year ago

    I see a white paper coverall, nitrile gloves, and a respirator in your future.

    #12 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    You'd be a saint to haul all of that garbage out for her for free.
    I'd offer a couple hundred for the Ringer but the rest, you'd genuinely have to pay me for the service.

    Exactly this ^^^^!!

    John

    #13 1 year ago

    Run away....as far as your legs will carry you.

    #14 1 year ago

    She would have to pay Got Junk guys to remove all those pins, the ringer is the only thing worth pulling out of there IMO. Good luck.

    #15 1 year ago

    She should be paying you to haul off that mess.

    #16 1 year ago

    She should pay you to haul it off. Wear a mask.

    #17 1 year ago

    Mike, was this the bring your truck CL ad?

    #18 1 year ago

    Those have been neglected for a loooong time.

    #19 1 year ago
    Quoted from Black_Knight:

    Mike, was this the bring your truck CL ad?

    What a shame .... Looks more like "bring your garbage truck" ....

    #20 1 year ago

    forceflow "Show photos of classic cars that need repairs" > RIGHT ... That's a great idea !! People think just because something is old > it's worth a lot ... they don't think about the time, parts, effort and money required to fix it ...

    #21 1 year ago

    A wet basement is a terrible place for coinop. I've seen this happen before. The metal rusts, the glasses peel, the cabinets rot, and now you have to think about toxic molds too.

    #22 1 year ago

    Yikes. .....running away as fast as I can!

    My best offer stands at they pay me 2K and cover medical bills!

    #23 1 year ago

    They are ready to be wiped off and put in ....a landfill

    #24 1 year ago

    Do not bring those anywhere near your home or else everyone will get sick from the mold. Like Iron Maiden says Run to the hills run for your life. Lol.

    #25 1 year ago

    Yikes! If there is anything you can do with this mess, have her pay you to haul it away. I had a similar situation once, where a woman answered my "pinballs wanted" ad. She apparently waited a couple of years to clean out her basement after flooding from Hurricane Floyd. She had a Williams "Winner" which was a totally rotted out disaster. Her brother was helping her clean out, and they had a dumpster in the driveway. She asked me what I would offer for it. I said I would offer to help her load it into the dumpster!

    #26 1 year ago

    Junk. Worse than junk as it’ll get u sick. In a toxic sorta way, not just the sniffles. Tell her you are not interested and run away. She did you a favor by not accepting your offer, take that as divine intervention. It is all ruined and contaminated. A hazmat team needs to remove that. I hope I’m being clear.

    #27 1 year ago

    I have paid more & salvaged from worse so from lots of experience I can tell you that you are buying a lot of work. In an average year I scrap about 25 machines like this a year and it isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it sound but you do have to "work smart".

    Typically I have plenty of gloves around and masks - I never bring machines with mold into the house - all salvage work is done outside. I save what I can and then move on to the next machine. It doesn't take many parts to get $100 (or more) out of a machine. Typically a chime box, lock bar, and plastic set is worth more than that. The key is save what you can but don't obsess over the rest. What ever you save is going to help bring other machines back to life.

    Some people are afraid to get their hands dirty and I fully understand that, but other "slightly crazy" people (like myself) love to save parts off machines like this. I doubt you will be saving any of those machines but it is possible once you get them out and take a hard look at each. Just remember - lots of work for very little financial return in most cases - and if you are OK with that go for it.

    #28 1 year ago
    Quoted from Black_Knight:

    Mike, was this the bring your truck CL ad?

    Yep .. That's the one. No pics. Price $1

    Mike V.

    #29 1 year ago
    Quoted from too-many-pins:

    I have paid more & salvaged from worse so from lots of experience I can tell you that you are buying a lot of work. In an average year I scrap about 25 machines like this a year and it isn't as bad as some people are trying to make it sound but you do have to "work smart".
    Typically I have plenty of gloves around and masks - I never bring machines with mold into the house - all salvage work is done outside. I save what I can and then move on to the next machine. It doesn't take many parts to get $100 (or more) out of a machine. Typically a chime box, lock bar, and plastic set is worth more than that. The key is save what you can but don't obsess over the rest. What ever you save is going to help bring other machines back to life.
    Some people are afraid to get their hands dirty and I fully understand that, but other "slightly crazy" people (like myself) love to save parts off machines like this. I doubt you will be saving any of those machines but it is possible once you get them out and take a hard look at each. Just remember - lots of work for very little financial return in most cases - and if you are OK with that go for it.

    Thanks for chiming in. My thoughts are similar. Disassemble in the driveway and save what you can but skip the hard to salvage parts like the metal side rails ..etc. I hate to see these go to a landfill when there are useful parts. I figure at $60 a piece I can at least get $150-$350 in parts but I do have to consider the labor piece. The bally "2 in 1" and the Ringer interests me and I'd love to save them.

    If nothing else I've learned a Williams Ringer has value ..

    Mike V.

    #30 1 year ago

    Mike,

    I have been buying machines like this and listing parts on eBay for several years now and I can tell you 100% for sure "it can't be about the money". I have figured it out several different times and once I figure all associated cost (storage rent, cost to buy machines, cost to pick up machines, fees, etc) I make less than $3 an hour doing it. But I just love saving the "junk" from landfills and getting what parts I can to people they will help.

    For me it started out with machines I had purchased to fix up that were too far gone. Next thing you know I end up listing parts from those machines and my local pinball buddies started offering me "junk" they didn't have a use for at reasonable prices. 5 years later I have dozens of machines to part out (close to 100 sitting right now), people taking my "junk cabinets" etc for craft projects, parts going all over the world helping people save machines, etc.

    Thankfully I am semi retired so I don't need to make a bunch of money doing it but I find it very rewarding in so many ways. To me the worst part is keeping track of everything. Be sure to mark parts with tags (or bag smaller stuff up and label the bags). You think you will remember what something was off of but after a few weeks it all starts looking the same. (Again talking from years of experience).

    The "best parts" are the oddball stuff. That stuff doesn't sell as quickly but when someone needs it they are happy to find it. Chime units, bells & lock bars typically sell the quickest. Once they are sold most of the rest of the stuff takes some time. So when I buy machines I look to have the chime units, bells & lock bars pay for the machines then I just wait until the other stuff sells to see my profits.

    #31 1 year ago

    I do agree the love of it is above all else. My labor/storage is maybe different from others as I've got two sons who help do the disassembly and I've got the ability to store them for free. Also a big piece of this is getting plenty of parts to allow me to build Homebrew machines.

    Mike V

    #32 1 year ago

    I would offer $900-$1000 because of the Williams Ringer and in the hope that I could salvage a cabinet that I need. But I am a Project Pin lover and tend to see the pin as half full. In this case one would have to ask, ‘Half full of what?!’

    If you do decide to gopher it, please make sure that anyone who touches these ‘diamonds in the rough’ have had a tetanus shot in the last ten years!!

    #33 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pecos:

    I would offer $900-$1000 because of the Williams Ringer and in the hope that I could salvage a cabinet that I need. But I am a Project Pin lover and tend to see the pin as half full. In this case one would have to ask, ‘Half full of what?!’
    If you do decide to gopher it, please make sure that anyone who touches these ‘diamonds in the rough’ have had a tetanus shot in the last ten years!!

    Tetanus shot is a must - every 7 years these days from what I have been told - and thanks for reminding me I think I am due again. Typically I get one every 5 or 6 years because of all the BS I am involved in both with pinball and other stuff in life. I don't think a week goes by that I have not either cut or stabbed myself with something dirty or rusty.

    As far as price - typically I add up lock bars & chime units and make my offer accordingly. Gottlieb chime units are worth at least $60 each as long as they are complete & decent, Gottlieb lock bars are about the same for button style (fin style are about $30). Bally and Williams chimes are typically around $40 and lock bars for Bally & Williams about $20 to $25 each.

    On the average I will pay up to about $150 for decent parts machines and about $50 to $100 for "junk" like this. So I think you are right in the ballpark for both you and the seller at $600 (give or take a few dollars). I doubt I would go a grand on the lot but I might depending on how much work it would be to move everything and how bad you want it. Normally on something like this stuff I put a "standing offer" of what I think is a fair price and tell seller get back to me if they decide to be realistic and sell it for my price. 95% of the time I end up getting the stuff because most people don't want to deal with it.

    #34 1 year ago

    You should have offered her $20. for the Ridgid Tri-stand or pipe threader ( I can't see enough of it to tell ) the only thing I see that's good .

    #35 1 year ago
    Quoted from RacingPin:

    I offered $400 and then went to $600 for all.

    Wait--you offered $600? That's about $700 too much.

    #36 1 year ago

    Funny how far apart the comments are. Either "run forrest run" or "yeah you can make a profit from that". Nothing in between (like, "yeah its worth $400 tops").

    #37 1 year ago

    Perhaps I missed it, but I hadn't noticed how far away these machines were from
    you. A couple of those backglasses look useable and I do think that it's worth $400.00,
    but if within reasonable distance, I'd make a short trip over, do some explaining, and
    (unless you see something else that stands out) I'd offer like $250.00
    If you're familiar with a little wood working, and if it's complete, that Ringer
    should be a piece of cake to repair and Steve (bgresto) has that glass on file..
    I myself have way too many projects already, but if you have access to work on them
    away from the house, and are able to exit them out of that facility without too much
    difficulty, I'd certainly would make a little trip and at least take a better look..

    #38 1 year ago
    Quoted from mgpasman:

    Funny how far apart the comments are. Either "run forrest run" or "yeah you can make a profit from that". Nothing in between (like, "yeah its worth $400 tops").

    Some people are afraid of getting dirty (or doing some nasty work) and others realize the value of "junk". I have made a good living most of my life dealing with stuff most people wouldn't consider getting involved with and semi retired when I was 51 years old because of not being afraid to work. Something like this deal isn't for everyone but some people realize the value of the parts sitting their.

    No right or wrong - just different ways of looking at things!

    #39 1 year ago
    Quoted from too-many-pins:

    Some people are afraid of getting dirty

    I'd be afraid of getting infected.

    #40 1 year ago

    Offer $200 and send her this thread. What's more evidence than people actually in the business/hobby.

    #41 1 year ago

    The blue one has what looks like a pitch and bat lockdown bar.

    #42 1 year ago

    Everyone has an opinion. Keep in mind that I have saved some games that probably were NOT worth saving and I would NOT make an offer on any of the stuff in those pictures. The Ringer looks like it’s a mess and even though a nice one will get over a grand, that one is no where near a nice one, even if you fix it up cheap.

    #43 1 year ago

    Yeah, I'd pass on that stuff even if it was free.

    #44 1 year ago

    The machines are about 40 minutes from me. Looks like we are close to a deal .. stay tuned

    Mike V

    #45 1 year ago

    $600 is way too much . She should be paying you to take these .

    #46 1 year ago
    Quoted from RacingPin:

    The machines are about 40 minutes from me. Looks like we are close to a deal .. stay tuned
    Mike V

    Hope it works out. Money for nothing ....

    #47 1 year ago
    Quoted from bonzo71:

    I think your offer is generous.. With that said, I'd pay $200 for a good Beatniks backglass.. Those "slot machines" are very difficult to sell and really not worth the trouble.

    I may be interested in more parts too.. Assuming you don't want to restore this one.. Clearly there is water damage to these games, but the backglasses on the ones that can be seen actually look OK.

    #48 1 year ago

    Do it! These hauls are so much fun. I had similar comments from many people here in Australia about a bunch of machines in very ordinary condition that i was looking at. Have a look here at the thread https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/55269-Pinball-Adventure-Shed-Stash?highlight=adventure

    Note how the comments changed from "run for the hills" to "thats awesome, wish i had done it" once some of the after photos came through. Many of the after/restored pics are on page 14 of that thread.

    #49 1 year ago

    So sad seeing the way these pins have been treated over the years. Kudos to anyone with the knowledge and time and pure stamina to bring even a fraction back from the dead.

    #50 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pecos:

    If you do decide to gopher it, please make sure that anyone who touches these ‘diamonds in the rough’ have had a tetanus shot in the last ten years!!

    I've had mine. I would still buy them as everyone here hates to see pins go to the junkyard. You could at least see if anything was salvageable if not repairable in the lot. As a pinsider told me ultrasonic cleaners can do wonders on rust.

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