Quoted from teekee:

No problem dude... I understand! Your a WoZ head through and through. I'm pretty sure it could get delivered to you in 2021 on fire and you would still love it... LOL, its all good. Your going to love it so no worries for you...

Quoted from Pinchroma:

It's easy to distinguish an LE from a standard. Aside from the powder coat the standard has a different apron, different topper which can't be purchased so it's not like someone can powder coat a standard, add a shaker and invisiglass and try to pass it off as an LE.

Quoted from GAP:

Its the standard line cutting, happens everyday. I personally wouldn't put up a dime for the hobbit, when I know I can get one right when they come out 3 years from now. The fact that Jack is allowing line jumping is poor business practice.

Quoted from spfxted:

Just put in a communication to Jack to see if this is really him...

Quoted from metallik:

Some people are just losers who can't stand to see someone else succeed. Funny how their tune slowly changes as you produce more games LOL
Hoping #112 is in the August batch somewhere

Quoted from spfxted:

WHOA! It's YOU!
Welcome!!

Quoted from McCune:

Why are you ripping on game I bought ? If you don't like a certain game being ripped on, then I must not like it either.
Why do you get a pass ?

Quoted from spfxted:

Vyzer at the desk!

Quoted from bdaily1983:

pretty please!?

Quoted from TheShameGovernor:

Jack, Thank you for making WOZ. My son and I enjoy it very, very much. Buying NIB is out of my league, but I guarantee I will putting many dollars into it on location with the hopes that I can play The Hobbit in the future.
It's disappointing to see early supporters become disenchanted by the process, but I hope everyone with an LE coming eventually feels it was worth the wait. I am very impressed with what I've seen so far.

Quoted from epthegeek:

That -^ A huge portion of the work on WOZ was building the software foundation. HUGE.

Quoted from RobT:

Wow. That is an impressive level of spin!
Have you thought about going into politics?

Quoted from McCune:

Yes, still working out the deals , I will let you know when the deal is made . I am not buying it direct from the factory.
It could take up to 3 years for the deal to come though. It will be worth the wait, for me at least.

Quoted from RobT:

Am I the only one who thinks that mentioning the competition by name in this manner is not at all helpful to you?
How is this relevant to the issue raised in this thread?

Quoted from LesManley:

I couldn't agree more with this. You have this amazing looking game that's built like a tank and outshines anything else like it in comparison...then you have this sad acrylic topper on it that looks out of place compared to everything else that is there.

Quoted from zippydapinhead:

Jack, thanks for jumping on. A lot of this crap fest will go away if you honestly and openly clarify Markmons original post. Did this distributor just order and receive those games or was that order put in years ago and shipped acording to his place in line.
As a late LE orderer (just missed the early bird price) I am seriously bummed that I could hop up to Portland and buy one off the shelf and save the shipping costs. I would still rather have my LE than a standard, (freaking awesome looking game) but this is for me a very spendy item, THE most expensive thing I've ever bought that isn't a house or car and my first NIB pin. (My family thinks I'm nuts and with the delays has been a very sore topic aroung the house for months)
Just looking for reassurance that there is no line cutting happening and a time frame for shipping the remaining LE's.
And even with the level of crap that been happening and said lately, I'm sure everyone on Pinside is happy you are in business making games, but when you have had a game paid for that you don't have for this long and someone who just played one on location without ever hearing about it before can go buy one that same day while we are still waiting is going to cause some hating, no way round it.

Quoted from Max_Badazz:

All this talk of WoZ makes me want to buy one now......is this whole thread a carefully planned pump and dump marketing scheme to drive sales up?

Quoted from snaroff:

As CEO of a major company, I think it's odd to hide behind "I'm just saying what I have been told" (when referring to your previous comment "...a thousand people have said to me - if we did not start JJP, many people at Stern Pinball would not have jobs there today").
With all due respect, who cares what 1000 anonymous people have said to you? It just promotes and perpetuates the "hater, us vs. them" culture you apparently dislike. The community is much more interested in what YOU think...
The pinball community almost unanimously loves what JJP is doing! I know a lot of players/collectors and everyone is excited about your company - the team you've assembled is impressive on many levels. Nevertheless, hearing someone in your position continuing to indirectly pat yourself on the back about "saving Stern" (and the pinball industry) is distracting and (more importantly) off topic.
The topic at hand is when will LE customers get their game. I'm sure you can sympathize with markmon's post/concern. You said earlier you are building 50 games a day. If this is true, then 1000 machines can be manufactured in 20 work days. Since there are 20 work days in August, it seems like ALL LE's will be built in August. Even if you decide to build 250 standards, your still in fairly good shape. At 50 games a day, seems like you are in a great position to fulfill all the prepaid orders in 30-60 days max! Why not just focus on this upbeat news/facts and leave the rhetoric to others?

Quoted from TomGWI:

This is some funny shit. Like watching Days of Our Lifes except I am actually amused.
All kidding aside. I am glad JJP is making games and helping keep pinball alive.

Quoted from Purpledrilmonkey:

In all of this the short version of the original post to me is: preordering doesn't get you the machine before the average joe because distributors pre-orders are also being filled. It's just as easy to wait and buy a machine when it's released and you don't have to part with money for 2-3 years.
I thought we beat this horse to death with Stern and all this pre-order nonsense as well? How many more times is the "don't bother pre ordering just wait and see how the game is" conversation going to explode like this?
Personally, I'd have filled individual preorders first because those people wanted to feel special having the game first. Now that it is clear they could have waited and bought the game today and had it immediately, they might not be so eager to provide funding for new titles in advance.

Quoted from zippydapinhead:

???

Quoted from PismoArcade:

From your past actions, statements, heck... even the WOZ plaque (unless your referring to Zizzle), you sure have a funny way of showing it.
Oh... and welcome to "Wrongside".

Quoted from tonycip:

I'm confused? My distributor just told my 6 to 8 more months?but other dist. who ordered additional will be getting them in 6 weeks??

Quoted from PismoArcade:

Taking credit for Stern Pinball....
Threatening to release private emails of those who disagree... (hmmmm... you'd be once again breaking out the lawyer card if the tables were turned)...
Thank you once again for confirming your arrogance.

Quoted from scottc:

Jack you are fitting right in I see. Don't go down that road.
You have done an amazing thing for pinball that no-one has ever done in our lifetimes. You have created a pinball company from scratch! AND have a superior quality pin on the streets! Gary was handed down the company from relatives correct? An established company that Gary has continued to run. BTW Great Job Gary Stern is cranking out pins!!!.
Please continue the journey, do what you have to do to keep it going even if you need to upset some, transparency is good but it also can be bad.

Quoted from AkumaZeto:

OH BOTHER! Is the Hobbit update out yet!

Quoted from Rabscuttle:

This is actually why in community relations we usually suggest CEOs do NOT participate in forums. It's very easy as a human to get emotional and say things that are inappropriate for a leader to say.
It's unfortunate that the whole JJP/Stern thing seems to have had a divisive effect on the community, but we look to our leaders as uniting forces, and not to feed the feelings of us vs. them.
I'm so tired of us vs. them on these forums. I don't know how you solve it, but it shouldn't BE us vs. them, and someone has to make a choice to stop that. To stop the water cooler gossip talk. I won't lie, I am shocked to see a veiled threat like this from one of our leaders. We're all humans at the end of the day, but leaders need to be professional and strategic at all times, with every word they type.
Can we all just cut it out?

Quoted from snaroff:

That makes much more sense, but if you go back to your post in this thread, it said "we are building 50 games a day!". Here is the text cut/paste from your post on the 3rd page.
"The risk was a year ago, two years ago...when we had nothing and less than nothing - not when we are building 50 games a day!"
Sounds like a typo I guess...thanks for the clarification!

Quoted from gambit3113:

Wow. That's petty. You trash "Wrongside", then roll up your sleeves and jump right into the fray. And yes, you are expected to be above threatening to air customer names and correspondence on public forums.
Should we really start talking about who said what in January of 2011, or even June of 2012? Things clearly change, right? Or should we go find some video of the dates you were talking about in, say, March of 2012 about WOZ production and games in July 2012?
.............or all of 2011, when you were making big plans for the March 2012 production start?
Those rocks are going to do a number on that Invisiglass House.

Quoted from DCfoodfreak:

Here is the issue. A year ago the talk was its close and now you say its that we had nothing and before that less than nothing.
People have something to talk about because you give it to them.

Quoted from zippydapinhead:

Please Jack, we all know the game is awesome and greatly admire all you have accomplished, it truly is amazing, that said, we just want to know people (distributors) are not getting preferential treatment or "cuts" in line, and an accurate time frame for when the remaining paid LE's will be shipped.

Quoted from jrivelli:

To be fair, he just spoke the truth. At the time games were not shipping and it had taken 2+ years to even sorta get a game out. As Stern would I be worried? Not in the slightest. I don't currently own a stern or jjp game so I really have no dog in any fight here, just stating it how it is.
If you took what Gary said as an insult towards JJP etc then I would say contact JJP and tell him to get that show in gear over there. Just like any new company, there are going to be struggles, delays etc. They will be ironed out and things will get smoother

Quoted from j69:

Well this thread got quiet real quick. So now we have established Jack isn't filling 10 pin orders at the drop of a hat can we just get back to looking forward to an awesome finished code in Woz and a very interesting Hobbit machine! Time to stop the hate

Quoted from pinballkim:

Not really, they both either lied or unknowingly spread false information, and according to you one is a comic and one is a criminal. Other than that, Jack should have factual inside information and the other guy is just some dude on the internet.
JMO

Quoted from gambit3113:

JMO = just my opinion. He is entitled to his opinion based on past actions, and is entitled to share an opinion without the vague threat of malicious prosecution. The delays he is clearly referencing did, in fact, occur despite your repeated assurances at production schedules and target dates that were not met. You don't like the language used, surely, but he has a right to his opinion and a well documented timeline to base it upon.

Quoted from MrDo:

Salesmen and route operators are know for their integrity. Thank you for clearing things up!