TRON doesn't need anything. Additions by Lyman are fine, but that code is complete.

AC/DC is fine now.

IM is fine by me.

TF needs a good polish.

XM is incomplete.

Still waiting for my Monopoly code update to address the delay in saucer release when first hitting the dice roll after powering up the machine.

/ducks

I am so annoyed with their policies that I have given up giving a shit....

WOF is unfinished.

ACDC is amazing now. My friends played it on Sunday football/pinball day and everyone noticed the differences in the new software right away.

Basically XM needs a big update - and it will be here soon enough. WoF is incomplete. Pretty much everything else from Stern since SAM came out is finished at this point. Better late than never...

IM code is pretty darn good as-is.

I agree, I don't think IM really needs anything.

Iron man does need tweaking to "do or die multiball" considering its impossible to get to.

I thought Tron has that Extra ball award issue? Or was that fixed?

The only issue I've caught on X-Men is where the Iceman mode sometimes starts when the ball goes down the left outlane.

At least it does it on my friends machine.

There's a huge difference between incomplete, unpolished, and bad. Just because someone may be updating the code or improving upon it doesn't make it unfinished. To that end, I believe the only game unfinished by stern as of today is WoF.

Finished means all the feature are implemented, the wizard modes exist, etc. there are often bugs in finished software and there are often poor decisions made in finished SW. Completed SW is worthy of v1.0.

Acdc - I consider this finished. Hope there are more improvements but it's no longer incomplete. V1.52 should have been v0.90 or something with v1.6 being v1.0.

Xmen - game needs polished. But game is not incomplete. I'd say it's worthy of a v1.0. The 1.1 release we had was worthy of a .6 or something

Transformers - totally done. The fact that we will get an update or that we don't like the rules doesn't make it incomplete. It just makes it bad. Hopefully the coming update improves it a lot.

IM, SM, Tron - totally done, plenty polished.

There is absolutely no expectation that an average to decent skilled player should be able to get to every wizard mode in the game. This software is fine as it is and done.

Yes you keep saying this. And it does suck to get stuff like xmen 1.1 was. But having software totally done before shipment and never updated after isn't a good thing either. These systems are very easy to update unlike the old b/w days where you had to buy or burn a rom. Further, having the product totally done means we get what the developers thought was good and they have moved on. In xmen, a lot of community feedback has been applied to v1.2. It's really a great thing for us.

Wheel of Fortune: Deffo unfinished as there's inserts that do nothing
BDK: Lyman's last update went a long way but the modes are still all the same and need finishing
IJ4: Unfinished same as BDK
TF: Had it where it loses the ball in the megatron trough, searches for a bit and then ends the ball, needs recoding.

IM, needs nothing, Avatar, good. TRS, Who cares!

Regarding BDK, the "all modes the same" thing could just be considered poor design, but there is stuff obviously left unfinished - for example Batpod Multiball, which has no introduction/conclusion or mode-specific graphics. Indeed, while playing it you get raw on-screen information such as "mini pf switch".

Iron Man is done and complete to me. However, I think all pins that have extra balls should have one awarded for some accomplishment in the game, not just randomly.

I like what you have to say. I think Iron Man and Tron codes are finished but I aswell like "earning" an extra ball and not just randomly getting one. But that being said I think IM and Tron are SUPER pins! I'm glad I have them both LOL.

Polishing doesn't equal incomplete IMHO. There are lots of games that could use a little something and a couple that could use a lotta something, but the only one that is really missing major stuff and is truly incomplete is WOF.

X-Men is unfinished. Not in need of mere polishing. There is no ultimate Wizard mode, after Danger Room and Dark Phoenix. There are no combo shot awards, despite there being combo shot award settings in the menu. Deadpool mode is not in the game, despite there being a Deadpool mode setting in the menu. This is incomplete.

I agree with Gambit on this one. X-men is fun to play, but based on its own settings and adjustments, its not finished. Clearly the next (full) update will go a long way to "finishing" it.

WOF is the only truly incomplete game that I can think of. I am a little surprised that Stern did not face any type of class action lawsuit as a result of the code. WOF is a game that I will never own because of the game code. There are inserts on the playfield that don't do anything.

How many B/W games have unfinished / buggy code?

While I mostly agree, you can always go in the settings and award an extra ball instead of a replay award via points.

Thats what I do. But I would much prefer if they would put it in the code and earn it by ? instead of luck.

Deadpool feature is in the menu settings but not the game. Combo shots are not implemented yet either. If these two features were never meant to be part of the game, then I agree it is finished. Since they are part of the menu selection, I can only ascertain that they are meant to be in the game but have not been put in yet.

So I would say it is X-men is unfinished.

Cactus Canyon - but understandably so....

CV had the home roms added, the game was complete, but had bugs. The home roms came out about 3 years after B/W went out of business. Video mode and game enhancements added. Awesome update that helped make the game a lot better.

So, in the spirit of Stern, maybe I'll just call the home rom a super pack update.

Considering the difficulty and expense of burning new PROMs compared to a USB load, a lot of the B/W games never got updated. Almost every B/W WPC game that has come through my house has required a software update. To me this means they were shipped before the software was complete and/or polished and never updated. Good thing I have a PROM burner!

John

aint it supposed to be really hard to get to do or die...

Ok I can see this point then. And you'd have another to say if they weren't meant to be in the game, then the menus aren't finished for having items that do nothing

Then you could say if the menu's aren't finished, the software that runs the menus is not finished because they are not removed, hence the game is still not finished.

Kind of like putting wood filler over the WOF inserts and saying done. X-men plays great without extra code, and so does WOF, but the question's intent, as I understand it, is if the game is finished.

Yep, that was my second point I made for you

Gotcha..., got dizzy over the circular logic and forgot what point I was even taking.