The new display and/or topper should be offered at a huge discount to all original MMr owners. BS you guys come out with these enhancements now given how many of us already paid for the game.

Because they have a lot of customers that bought their original MMr's atvthat price point that have also purchased subsequent remakes as well.

You may not care about that but apparently CGC is at least somewhat cognizant of that fact.

If you want an MMr, pony up like the rest of us did early on.

I didn't see the entire thread. It is 7 pages long already and I just learned about this announcenent 30 minutes ago.

Glad they aren't severly undercutting existing owners with this move. It will still likely devalue original MMr's a bit, though. It would cost us a bit more to upgrade existing machines then what the the new SE & LE versions will cost new.

A phone and game console are what, 1k at the very top end? There are a lot of CGC's original customers that already bought their original MMr's in the 8-9k range. Those customers helped them make the $$ necessary to fund subsequent remakes and their expansion into the pinball market.

Comparing a $300-$900 gaming console or smart phone to a much larger, niche purchase in a small community like pinball isn't a fair comparison. Many original MMr customers are customers for their future games as well.

The community is too small and the prices too high for these type of products to significantly devalue existing customers purchases over night. Besides, they know for MMr, they will still sell more of the new remakes even at the higher pricing structure. It is a better game then both AFMr & MBr IMO.

How would that work swapping out an existing screen to the larger one? If it is an easy, straightforward swap, I might consider it down the road.

If it as easy (or close to as easy);as installing a color dmd display, I may have to seriously consider this upgrade.

Thank you. Will it retro fit with the existing speakers? The other question is will this new panel come with the speaker light kit and new speakers with the panel? That would probably all be enough to get me to pull the trigger.

Do we have details yet on what is required to install the RGB’s? That is the one upgrade I’m primarily considering but would prefer an easy install and not a big project.

I’d love the display and topper as well but already have a the color display & a topper (pictured - a much cheaper but admittedly no where near as cool of one). Can’t really justify the topper but am on the fence if it the display upgrade is worth it...

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Are those of you that downvoted my post here those that think be cause you bought another CGC remake for less you are now entitled to an MMr at the same price?

MMr is a higher demand game. You'll pay the same prices current owners did and like it...

100% agree which is why I called out a few posters who downvoted me for basically saying the same thing earlier here.

Sounds like it. At a similar price, a NIB with all the upgrade work already done would be nice, though.

Yeah, I didn't understand how CGC was handling the changes and making retrofiitting at a similar price point possible in my initial post this morning. I should have read through the beginning of the thread before commenting but I still dont think that warranted being crapped on with a bunch of downvotes.

Of course, that isn't the post I was referencing in calling a few people here out. New MMr buyers may want to pay less (don't we all) but even if you don't care about the value of the games many of us bought previously taking a dump, I think you're missing the point.

CGC has had no problem selling MMr's in the past at the same starter price point they are now. Why should they lower the price to the level some paid for a AFMr or MBr when they don't have to? They are trying to make money and maximize profits.

By pricing and handling this they way they did, they will make $$ and sell more MMr's & upgrade kits without upsetting current and future customers. Makes sense to me.

That last part we can agree upon. Hopefully future games will remain at the lower price point. I personally would be in for a TZ remake but anticipate if that were to somehow happen, it might be a bit more since it is a wide body with a lot of stuff.

I see your point but outside of CGC, I wouldn't say the playfield quality is that great on the new games Stern & JJP are cranking out right now.

Newer with more bells and whistles doesn't always mean better, either. I had a WOZ for 10 months and sold it recently. Beautiful game with a ton of stuff and bling but I never really enjoyed it that much. Have had my MMr for two years now and dont plan on selling anytime soon.

Go tell it to those jumping on me for defending the MMr pricing...

It seems the majority of existing owners have actually been just the opposite of what you described. Once we understood that these upgrades can be retrofit at a comparable price point to NIB, most have been commenting that CGC did this the right way.

The ones that I've noticed being the most vocal seem to be a subset that feel CGC should have reduced the price (with the new upgrades) to a what they have been selling AFM & MB remakes. This makes little sense as they've been selling MMr at 8k since the beginning and have had no problem getting that price at the base level SE.

Now that I understand all of the details, I think most of us would agree CGC did this in the best way possible for all parties

Read the entire thread. I made the mistake of not starting from the beginning so I understood these changes could be retrofit at a similar price point. Five posts or so later I acknowledged that and that CGC did this in a fair way that would mitigate devaluing of existing customers games and allow us to upgrade if we want.

One thing this thread has taught me is 1) make sure you read the entire thread and information before posting or face the wrath of pinside and 2) Some of the Pinside community can be a pretty harsh when you post something contrary to the prevailing sentiment of the thread. Lesson learned.

If you read all of my posts, then why are you doubling down on your narrative? You're conveniently ignoring the fact I later acknowledged that the changes were fair and I am happy they made it so existing owners could upgrade.

If you're going to only use my initial not yet fully informed reaction to try to paint some kind of self serving negative narrative about me, at least be fair about it.

My mistake was discussing this initially here rather than in the MMr owners thread where people would have civilly corrected me and helped me understand the changes.

Now that I understood the changes, we are basically on the same page.
Get off your soapbox already.

Careful. Some of the crowd here will be sharpening their pitchforks knowing you're selfishly concerned about the value of the game you purchased previously.

Sarcasm aside, I initially felt similar to you (I am an SE owner). Once I understood that these upgrades could be retrofit on existing MMrs at what will essentially be a similar price point, though, I think CGC is trying to be fair and do the best they can.

I own a Tron Pro as well and worry what will happen to its value when/if Stern vaults it. I bought it just 3 months ago knowing a vault may happen and was willing to take the risk since I really like the game.

One thing I'm learning in this hobby is the companies that make these want to make money first and foremost. Customer considerations will always be secondary. At least CGC is taking existing customers into consideration by making retrofit possible at similar price points