Further proof that the moniker “LE” is completely meaningless.

When are you announcing the exchange program for everyone who bought a MMr LE & put you on the map?

Cars are mainstream and everyone "needs" them....pinball is niche, no one needs them, and it's mostly kept alive by a small group of hobbyists who are willing to fork over stupid money if they feel there's something special and exclusive about the game they're buying. There's more of a personal connection between the people making pinball and those buying them. Any of us can go up to Gary Stern and say "hey what's up, I bought your game!" ...none of us can do that with Mr. CarMan McBillionaire.

For the record, I love my MMrLE and have no regrets that I've been enjoying it since 2015. I'm not mad. I'm just saying, the term "LE" is meaningless and always has been. It's just a marketing term.

Hopefully they'll make an upgrade kit for original buyers.

No, they won't. PPS/CGC games don't run on WPC'95 PCB...they're emulating the code on a Beaglebone Black...that's what allows them to add the HD dots overlay for the display, shaker and new GI effects.

Say what you will, but these companies, especially Stern, would not be in business without the LE model. It singlehandedly has brought in guaranteed money to these companies for unfinished/untested/unplayed product. The pinball business cannot survive with "wait and see" buyers.

Maybe a batch of 250? Sometimes they do a run of one title, then switch to make more of another one, and so on. They'll make them as long as there's demand, IMO.

People complaining about the price, the “code”, or thinking MMr should get cheaper because MB & AFM were are hilarious.

It’s MM. You can’t compare it to anything else. MM will always be MM.

It used to be a $20k restored game.
It’s a bonafide classic, always be desired and that will never change.
There is zero reason to lower the price.
These will sell like crazy.

Also it’s awesome that PPS/CGC are offering upgrade kits.

Literally everyone wins here. Original owners get bling if they want, new customers can get a new game if they want...prices are comparable so orig buyers don’t feel fleeced.

I’m sure it’s partially that, especially since they’re selling the upgrades to potentially thousands of owners- but also - IT’S MM! MM has nothing to prove. MM doesn’t need to be cheap to sell. They have 2 other great games on the line, it’s not their only game to build. They prob ran the numbers and figured how many games they can build in a year - and selling MM at the higher price would meet those goals. There’s zero reason MM needs to be cheaper to attract buyers.

In 2014, a “like new” restored MM was $20k+. In 2019 you’re getting it for “half off” with tons of new features & a brand new warrantee. Don’t worry, the people who paid $20k are the suckers...you’re doing alright

I started with arcade games, too....but that was around 2003, and I got into pinball around 2006. I never paid more than $300 for an arcade game, and $1600 for the pinball machines was scary lol.

Anyway - keep in mind that new game prices are bonkers for the most part. Try to pick up some classics, projects if you can find them, and prices won’t be so nuts!

It’s literally “hooking up a new TV”. Pull cable, pull out old panel. Put in new panel, reattach cable. Easy peasy.

Great games are forever. Let's see if anyone gives a rat's F about the current games in 20-30 years. MM's rep is baked in the cake...it doesn't need to prove anything else, it's already done it and will always be great - at home or on location.

If it was your favorite game, you'd have one. They've offered a bare-bones "classic" version of MM since 2015 & now are offering it again. It's $8k. Before that it was $20k for a comparable game. If you want the real original one, those are out there and CGC's existence brought the price down. So ungrateful, I tells ya...

A trade in credit would be nice. They could refurb the panels and displays in future builds of Classic Editions. Would be a waste to just throw the old panels out.

Was thinking more along the lines of the screen being useful to someone else, but I guess this was a horrible idea. Throw out your old screens, everyone!!!

$6k AFM and MB remakes with the small screen aren’t $10k....and for all anyone knows, all mfg’s could be using refurbed display screens...who would know?

Anyone have a good video of the RGB show where we can see actual gameplay affecting the colors? The vids posted so far don’t really show anything.

Cargument = You’re cancelled.

No one is (or should be) upset, as they’ve offered all the upgrades to current MMr owners, and the price of the upgrades puts it in line (if not a bit cheaper) than getting a new one with all the upgrades. It was a perfect way to go - they can sell rad new games, they can sell kits to the thousands who have it already...everyone’s happy, win win.

It's MM. MM doesn't have to justify shit. It's MM. It sells itself. Cuz it's MM.

Some people want a brand new MM that looks more like the real one without all the extra bling. That's why they're offering the Classic Edition.

I love color dots across the board - none of my games have orange anymore....that being said, I have no problems with the standard display size. My MMr with the high rez color dots looks great on the standard display...I'm debating whether to get the XL display or not. I love it - but I also don't dislike what I've got.

MBr has an option for classic lights or RGB lights....so I imagine it would be the same.

They’re not available to order yet. According to the PPS email I got, they wanted confirmation that I’m interested in ordering & that it’s going to be a one time offering. Not sure why that’s be the case with the screen panel, as that’s a common part amongst all their games....makes sense for the RGB & topper tho

I forgot about this kit until I got an email
about sending money for it a few weeks ago. Too much stuff going on right now in my life - I decided I didn’t really need it at the moment. Now that I’m reading that it doesn’t perform as advertised, I’m glad I passed. My MMr is fine without this frivolous stuff.

Exclusivity is irrelevant...the point of MMR Royal is to make an MMR with the cool shit the later CGC games had for new buyers who didn't have one yet...and the point of the kit was to upgrade your existing one. It was never sold as a lesser performance option to Royal.