Quoted from arcademojo:

Why would you feel bad???
Before the MMR was available mint condition MMs were north of $12,000 and up. I could guess about 90% of MMR owners like myself would have never been able to own one. Sure now they have upgraded the game from first release. So as an LE owner I’m getting the XL screen and Topper. If it cost me another grand, so be it. I’ll still have less in the game then what it would have cost for used original. I couldn’t be more happy about it. Disclaimer: I’m not a big fan on the RGB lighting so I’m kind of biased on that one.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Further proof that the moniker “LE” is completely meaningless.
When are you announcing the exchange program for everyone who bought a MMr LE & put you on the map?

Quoted from phoenixpin:

Cargument: Why is pinball so different from cars that each year they can put out the newest model of a car without having to take care of last year’s model owners that ‘put them on the map’?
Honest question.

Quoted from Yesh23:

So Chevy Introduces a 2016 Corvette Z06 C7.R Edition (which would be a limited edition) but the new Vette blows that away and everyone wants the new one. Why should pinball be any different??? I mean every manufacturer from televisions to refrigerators will have more options on the newer models.
Chicago Gaming knocked it out of the PARK!!!

Quoted from zpinman370:

i have already asked my distributor to put me on the list or start the list. with all the issues we are hearing about with Stern and JJP playfields at an even higher price this new iteration of MMr is a no brainer

Quoted from zpinman370:

that may be so but not very practical I am betting they offer the topper and XL display as a kit to the previous LE owners first then start production for the remainder who do not own one already. Like others have said "take my cash now|" lol

Quoted from indypinhead:

I'm wondering if these upgrade will be available for purchase separately, or bundled. I have the MMr LE and the MBr LE. Personally, I like the appearance of the smaller screen set-up on my MMr over the large display set-up that's on my MBr. The smaller screen set-up looks more like the original MM.

Quoted from Deez:

Man the entitlement of the LE culture on here is hilarious. Keep it up lol.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Say what you will, but these companies, especially Stern, would not be in business without the LE model. It singlehandedly has brought in guaranteed money to these companies for unfinished/untested/unplayed product. The pinball business cannot survive with "wait and see" buyers.

Quoted from DeeGor:

No problems if they allow sales to everybody. They should just do the same for all the machines. I should be able to buy a MB classic and get a topper for it.

Quoted from KozMckPinball:

The MMRLE was priced the same as the MMRSE, even though LE had a shaker, discounted DMD color chip and the SE did not. In this case the LE did not command a "premium" over a lesser version. I think everyone was expecting the MMRSE to be cheaper at the time but it was not. So SE owners should be included I think in any well priced upgrades.

Quoted from PtownPin:

Classic Edition 8k (just like original release)
Special Edition 9k (rgb and extended display)
Full Monte/King’s Edition 10k (topper, powdercoat, lighting, extended display, mirror blades, etc)

Quoted from dts:

How much for the topper?

Quoted from Deez:

You know what they say about a fool and his pinball money..

Quoted from Deez:

I'm agreeing with him. I'm also stating anyone buying an LE as a 'collectible' or think it entitles them to something and not just because they think it's cool has low pinball literacy.

Quoted from zpinman370:

I hope this is not accurate as that is a bit steep compared to AFMLE or MBLE at the 8K mark - its a big premium to pay -ouch

Quoted from rai:

Tad more than I was hoping for. Are these prices free shipping and do they include shaker? (anyone know)?

Quoted from rai:

I can't see they had no choice? When Apple releases a better phone do they have no choice to keep the old phone at the same price or do they just drop it to a price that reflects that it's not a top of the line phone anymore?
I am saying if a MM classic is equivalent to the classic editions of AFM and MB why does it cost $1500 more?

Quoted from freeplay3:

I'm glad I didnt buy the color chip yet. Hopefully I can put that 400 towards a large display upgrade.

Quoted from NevadaNutJob:

True . Unless you’re talking about an LE anything . The very definition of which is paying a premium for the exclusivity of something that will never be produced or reproduced again . The problem is that there are no true LE pinballs if a manufacturer can make more money they could do something as simple as change the armor color ( RBR oz ) and re-release it . This amounts to a certain level of dishonesty on the sellers part and a betrayal of the original premium purchase terms ( never be made again - it’s limited ! ) even if it’s technically correct that it’s not an exact copy by making a small change . Pin makers need to either stop calling it an LE and keep putting out as many as they can sell or hover the buyer / seller contract - pay a bunch but you’ll be one of the few ‘cause we’re not making any more .

Quoted from brainmegaphone:

Cost wise perhaps... but MMr is a better game!

Quoted from Goronic:

I would love to have the special of all 3 games...heck with the LE stuff

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

Both those prices are ludicrous, but those paying it will defend it and attempt to normalize it. $10k is such an absurd price for a new pin that we've all made fun of it for years. Seeing people pay it with a grin is very odd. I'm against it.

Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Order out of state.

Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Wow that sucks. You'd be best to buy at a show for cash, no tax, no shipping or like you say, buy used.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

they display from the OEM is quite pricey so I wouldn't expect it to be much less than 1000-1350!

Quoted from dts:

That’s the system, you got it right. It’s a time honored tradition. I may still get one but lean towards a new game or MBrLE. Neil looks like he has the cash to spend, but even rich people like a good deal.

Quoted from dts:

Sara at PPS texted me that it is $9999 MMR "royal," $8999 special, and $7999 standard. Not sure what shipping adds, I assume a few hundred.

Quoted from dts:

Not sure, I'll give her a call later today. I'd love one but man, that's a pile of cash. If it isn't truly limited, I'll probably just wait for the collector market. Not sure the "color bombing," as thelaw calls it, works here, would love to see video.

Quoted from GreenMachine19:

Just got an email from PPS. I have MMRSE with color chip. Just to upgrade to the XL screen. $649.

Quoted from cooked71:

So that’s $1447 extra to upgrade the regular version that’s $8k to the “royal/king” version that’s $10k. Apart from powder coat, is there anything else on the “royal” version that justifies $553 extra?

Quoted from cooked71:

Ok, that makes sense. So the xl display upgrade is really $1k.

Quoted from gunstarhero:

$600.
...and $100 - $200 for the GI upgrade.

Quoted from gunstarhero:

I'm more all in on the display and the lighting and the topper is a wait and see even tho it looks bad ass it doesn't have any animation like the AFM one or the pretty dope looking BK3 one.
Still seems like it would be a shame to not go all the way, you know?

Quoted from dts:

So, get a used MMR and add the options might be a way to go. Or just add the topper and color, skip RGB if over the top. Anyhow, it's nice there are options.

Quoted from Goronic:

I would be OCD with CGC topppers - either have none or have them all

Quoted from dts:

I actually like the smaller color display, looks more like the original. The topper is where I'd put my money, as crazy expensive as it is. Maybe RGB if it looks even close to MBrLE.

Quoted from JMK:

On the 'Royal' LE, has it been announced if there well be more than one powder coat trim option?
It seems black has been mentioned but curious if there will be other trim packages?
Have never owned a MMR but my family have all missed this pin since we sold an original MM before the release of the re-makes.
Really excited about this awesome new release.

Quoted from JMK:

ptownpin: Thanks and agreed that PPS takes this game to a whole new level.
I really miss the original and was seriously considering tracking down a mint clear-coated restored original; but after seeing this total package with the XL screen, topper, RGB lights, etc., I've already reached out to my distributor to express my interest.
This is such an amazing game to begin with and I can't wait to add it to the collection.

Quoted from arcademojo:

Simple answer.
A: They are still making money selling the add-ons.
B: Many people would rather buy NIB over chasing down a used game and doing the work themselves. Or just want that new in box smell.

Quoted from Concretehardt:

I want a Royal chrome trim edition with PDI glass

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

I dont know everytime I hear royal, I just think about royale with cheese from Pulp Fiction. Guess Ill just stick with the LE and retrofit. Otherwise during gameplay Ill just get hungry.

Quoted from arcademojo:

I'll agree that "us" mainstream pinball hobbyists would do this. If you haven't noticed there is a whole new crowd of pinball buyers out there. Most have these buyers don't care about saving a few hundred bucks or any of the things you list. They want and believe brand new is the way to go. And they will gladly pay someone else to set it up and dial it in. I do it for two people like this. Both have nice collections of mostly NIB LE games.

Quoted from gjm7777:

I could understand 650 for the upgraded display, but do we really need a color chip too? 1000 bucks to get that screen is way too much, I'll pass.

Quoted from fosaisu:

This is why they're not dropping the price, IMO. They could move hundreds more MMrs if they dropped to a $6k/$7k/$8k pricing scheme, but they know that a sizable chunk of their customers are repeat players and they don't want the MMr early adopters to feel burned. Bummer for the rest of us that would benefit from cheaper MMrs, but I get why CGC would approach it this way.

Quoted from DylanFan71:

As a buyer of the original MMRLE, I'm glad they are offering all of the upgrades for purchase at prices that equal the new edition fully loaded. Regardless of what you think of the pricing structure, original LE owners don't feel fleeced.

Quoted from fosaisu:

It's not a price increase really though -- they're just not cutting prices on MMr to avoid pissing off people that bought one previously. See posts above from various current owners that are happy you'll be paying through the nose for MMr+. CGC knew what they were up against, and priced accordingly.
I also wouldn't take this as a template for whatever their next remake is, I'd bet good money they'll return to the price structure they established with AFMr and MBr.

Quoted from luvthatapex2:

See why is this important? People should get this model if they like this model, not caring how many they make.

Quoted from Rarehero:

I’m sure it’s partially that, especially since they’re selling the upgrades to potentially thousands of owners- but also - IT’S MM! MM has nothing to prove. MM doesn’t need to be cheap to sell. They have 2 other great games on the line, it’s not their only game to build. They prob ran the numbers and figured how many games they can build in a year - and selling MM at the higher price would meet those goals. There’s zero reason MM needs to be cheaper to attract buyers.

Quoted from rai:

will the Royal come with invisible glass?

Quoted from underlord:

Payment sent for MMRRE. Excited! Long time trying to get an MM! Since 2004!

Quoted from rai:

I wanted MM remake Royal treatment but can not justify +$2000 above what I paid for my AFM LE. God bless all buyers and GCG, I'll be interested in any future releases (less than $10K).

Quoted from underlord:

Well, Rick will be giving out the details of this version soon enough I’m guessing. One can hope the options justify the added expense. So far the remakes have been priced to market.

Quoted from underlord:

I dunno man. I’m a cheap f*** and I’m ponying up. Hoping they take a while to build these so I can pay it off in payments.

Quoted from underlord:

That’s 2 months away. End of Q1 to Q2 maybe? Is CGC building standard MMR’s for now?

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

Tough decision, sell existing MMR LE at a loss and get a royal, or just upgrade the MMR LE. Im not a big fan of the black powder coating, so that may just be my answer. and I do not like mirror blades, they reflect and hurt my eyes. MMR LE upgrade it is.

Quoted from gunstarhero:

It’s been $8k. It’s always been $8k since release. I don’t get why people EXPECTED a price drop. Would it be nice? Sure. But demand is high and they sell them as fast as they make them.
I actually did kinda think MMR would get a “Classic” edition with a price drop myself, lol.
To be honest tho, I’d be thanking CGC for selling MBR and AFMR (although AFM also didn’t sell for MM/MB money) for less (or at least having a cheaper option) rather than blasting them for keeping MMR at its price point. Yeah it’s expensive, but it’s the best.

Quoted from Richthofen:

CGC, if you’re watching this, I just want an MMR for $6k. No fancy screen, no colorbombing, no topper. Just my favorite game at a slightly-more-than-Stern-pro price.

Quoted from Halfwasted:

I think if the royal edition is 10k. The topper should be exclusive to that edition. Makes the price justified.

Quoted from wamoc:

Because they turn around and sell it at a cheaper price to someone else as a refurbished device. You can't charge full price for a used product and claim it is new.

Quoted from dts:

MBrLE is the best deal in high end NIB games right now. Just a loaded game, and gorgeous. The RGB is beautifully implemented, the toys upgraded, great topper, excellent sound package, shaker, beautiful engraved plaque on the lockdown bar, mirror blades, perfect powder coat. Unless this MMr is equivalent, MBrLE is the best effort from CGC so far. With the exception of the topper, I'm not seeing the toy upgrades here, such as troll eyes, dragon breath/wing leds, merlin figure with crystal ball, catapult, etc. But these are fun mods to do.

Quoted from Concretehardt:

Maybe the are rethinking the pricing strategy?

Quoted from delt31:

I would like to know what exactly makes the RE limited. If it's just a number, who cares but if it's topper, or something else (which I heard it might be), then I'm in.

Quoted from MikeS:

Seriously why even offer a Classic Edition? I'd be surprised if they sold any of those considering $1K more gets you the large display, color upgrade, upgraded sound, and RGB LEDs/GI. Not sure how you can justify the cost of any of these editions compared to AFM and MB remakes.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

Very excited to add the RE to my gameroom.....moving to club thread as all the details seem to be sorted. Now the wait....

Quoted from hollywood:

So Funny! I got roasted on this site for choosing black trim on my MMRLE....now the excitement is for the black (sure it has some sparkle)...Black has always been the way to go on this game!

Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Here, me!
I don't like the the design of the larger screen bezel and I'll never understand why people light their speaker grills,
since everything is reflecting on the glass. (But to each their own of course.)
Standard game, brighter and non flickering then an original would be is great for me.
But yes of course I like the color DMD. - But, but, but a friend of mine has the MMr but occasionally it switches back to low resolution monochromatic for a second. Seeing that was kind of a bummer.

Quoted from JHPSWE:

Black! NO this is the best color[quoted image]

Quoted from BagAJellyDonuts:

I contacted a seller for upgrades and was quoted a price other than the one shown on the release provided by CGC. I assume that prices will be set by the seller and may reflect other costs involved. I certainly do not care to pay for these upgrades before they are available but I am very interested.

Quoted from brucipher:

I still haven't received an answer from PPS or CGC (PPS in email told me they would have to ask CGC): does the GI upgrade for $249 also include the backbox RGB upgrade which is listed for the Royal edition??

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

If you calc the normal sea freight times we should see them mid next month as it will have been at least 8 weeks by then. I was going to say I'm a little surprised none of the US or CAN owners have chimed in yet about receiving some.

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

I canceled my Royal Edition after figuring out what’s really going on. My distributor took full payment weeks ago. Then I found out that my game wasn’t ready to ship for the unknown future. They are still waiting on parts from China.

Quoted from eharan:

Looks Great! I ordered the upgrade kit for my LE, cant wait to get it!

Quoted from eharan:

Great question, it was so long ago that I said I wanted it that I don’t know if it was an actual order or an interested list!

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Just got an email from PinballStar offering these. Wonder if he has these in stock...

Quoted from brucipher:

It is disappointing, as I felt CGC indicated that the upgrade kit would bring previous owners in line with the new builds. They have not communicated very well about the upgrade kit, either. I hope there is an easy work around for the RGB speaker lights...

Quoted from Rarehero:

I forgot about this kit until I got an email
about sending money for it a few weeks ago. Too much stuff going on right now in my life - I decided I didn’t really need it at the moment. Now that I’m reading that it doesn’t perform as advertised, I’m glad I passed. My MMr is fine without this frivolous stuff.

Quoted from KingCat78:

It's not that CGC can't do it, but it would make a native RE a lot less exclusive. Why would you want to buy a RE if you can simply upgrade any MMR with the upgrade kits and have the same thing? It will probably have something to do with that.

Quoted from pinballaddicted:

From the MMr thread.
Thank you very much to the Pinsider who posted this in the MMr thread. If you purchased the XL screen and either the topper and or the rgb kit you get an additional board that drives the topper and the rgb lights. The speaker lights can be hooked up to the rgb board and will become color changing.
Looking forward to getting our RGB kit.
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Quoted from guss:

Anybody in the USA get there upgrades yet ?

Quoted from PinScott:

Given the discussions this far, I am considering canceling my XL order and going with just the RGB upgrade. Money saved would go towards a Flipper Fidelity or Pinball Pro speaker upgrade.

Quoted from ElectronMover:

I pre ordered the upgrades with PPS last year and have not had a update from Sara since 4/20 despite emailing her twice since then, the latest being 6/16/20. Does anyone know if she is still the contact person at PPS? Is there a better company to order from?
Thanks as I really want these upgrades and there is supposedly a limited amount!!

Quoted from guss:

I told them when the topper and everything was ready to let me know. Must be the topper is the hold up.