Isn't "Dumb and Dumber too" coming out soon?……...

Not saying I don't believe you, just sounds ridiculous that the licensors would be this rigid and petty.

There are points and things I don't like with the hobbit. And I am hoping that there will come more. but I am still happy with my order. But I don't understand why you stay here, how can we take you seriously after posts like this.
You say JJP can built the best game and no matter what, you won't buy ever again a game from them. OK we noticed that, so walk on and stop to annoy us buyers of this and future games.

Maybe....but Tolkien Estate is, for sure. Not sure about Saul Zaentz Co. Either way JJP definitely have not had the time (read: Years.) nor do they have the commitment (aka. Dollars) possible in one pinball machine to bend the rebar that is Hobbit/LOTR licensing..... and trust me, I am just about the last person that want to come to their defense in any way possible, but this particular issue is worth consideration in the grand scheme of things. =|

No, but you'll sure spend the rest of your life obsessing about them and trash-talking them.

That kinda sorta makes Jack win this round, you know. Keep talking...it keeps bumping up their threads. Free advertising!

He's on my ignore list for a reason.

Like every other pin genius…... See upcoming movie above

I am dissapointed by the head only smaug too. But that whole area will look alot better when its finished.

I assume that like the little rock part in front of smaug, that whole region will look like that.

But i cant understand they chose for this toy. I dont believe anything about the license holders told that he cant do this or that.

But even if true, they could have an awesome smaug with claws standing on ramps with a big head, body and tail covering a much bigger part. Let it move the head and it looks a thousand times better.

You cant mod this, cause the head and rock is turning. So modding a body and tail does not make sense anymore when there is no head to be seen.

Yep, the more i think about it, the worse it gets. Since yesterday, the should be most impressive part of the game is the least impressive part.

Does it ruin gameplay? No, but it does add nothing too when it only turns and moves his mouth like a sheep. Which is a shame, cause smaug is the bass ass monster where it is all about.

Missed opportunity. Still think the gameplay for this pin will be fantastic.

You're really missing all the fun then. He makes me feel really smart.

And I'm an idiot.

all the metals behind smaug, the coils on the left side, maybe something to hide all that would make smaug look much better. it looks like it's not finished.

Um, news flash...better get used to it if the volume of your posting is above average and you don't have a lot in the filter/tact department. I would know.

It's over and over and over and over again………we get it, now stick a fork in it….

Why are you attacking JJP non stop, again and again……..see movie above

You know how they say when you rescue a dog, you're really rescuing TWO dogs, because then the shelter has room to get another one in?

Well, if I ever decide to sell one of my JJP pins, you'll be the first guy I contact. Because your buying my pin will make room for me to buy another JJP NIB. So you'll actually be helping to fund their company again.

Awesome.

If anyone here aside from myself and (can't remember her pinside name) Ramen/Lorien could call you on that without googling I'd be immensely shocked.

Shut it down Jim Carey, think about that one…….

Jack Nicholson called and said he is looking for the rest of the "Cukoo's Nest"…..

Really
You say BA has no talent
Let's see you make that from scratch

Well, you are "Crazy"…….no need to rush, and I can appreciate crazy but Jack says you need to get back in the van…...

The only thing he makes is carbon dioxide and we know how good that is for the planet. Don't even bother Jesse. He honestly thinks he's not a troll. At first I thought it was just him being obstinate but he seriously doesn't get it. He genuinely doesn't understand why he is the most thumbs downed person on pinside by a wide margin with ek77 pulling up 2nd. He seems to think the same "5 or 6" people have the ability to do that. Comical, and sad all at the same time.

So how are the Texas Longhorns doing this year LOL.

And hence your almost constant bashing of all things JJP. We GET it already.

Wait wait wait. Last week it was 5 or 6 JJP supporters now it's ballooned to 20-22. If that number jumped 4x in the last few days then clearly there is something going on . It's impossible for you to understand the issues people have with you so I get it. I realize now you honestly don't get it. But I digress. More updates on hobbit coming.

I just got a price on a replacement drop target assembly for STLE - $195. Retail and replacement cost, but about double what I expected.

For a single drop??

Yes, you have said some positive things about the Hobbit recently but your statement above isn't even close to being true. It's easy to make this kind of statement but hard to back up.

It's not worth it to do a count of all your posts to prove you wrong as it probably would not have any effect on your behavior anyway.

This post reveals your grudge against JJP and the bias from which most of your posts stem.

Pinside is supposed to be a positive place. In my eyes, that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to state "honest" opinions even if they are negative. But when those opinions (even if honest) are incessantly stated due to a personal grudge, that I believe is against the spirit of Pinside.

Are you truly blind to the fact that most everyone reading these posts knows that you have a grudge against JJP and as a result isn't receptive to what you are saying? Unfortunately, that means that even when you have something critical to say that might be helpful, that message falls on deaf ears.

Same goes for EK77.

Don't forget his grudge against Stern!
(See previous StarTrek posts)

Dumb and Dumber don't have two nickels to rub together…...

Yes.

In other news..... Where is some good extended video of TH gameplay? I can't believe that there's no video posted yet. I am I missing it somewhere? That 30 second clip from earlier in this thread is like a cock tease. I thought the game was on the showroom floor today

My bad....I just saw the video thread

Give it up please

Non stop, you don't need to keep posting this garbage again and again, what is your problem?

Oh another jjp employee attacking his customers is not surprising at all. From the top down bad taste in my mouth. Simple tact and respect is utterly lacking, and despite what Jjp thinks i am not jumping over people to give them money for this ok looking game. 20 million in developement and this is the final product? I would expect a shitstorm of cancellations this week and reading these threads some are already doing so. This is not good for pinball but is the reality of a product driven business.

Really you should not care if a customer on a internet forum has bad grammar. They still can buy a pinball machines and to my knowledge this is what pays your salary.

Back on subject is that really the gold in those pics? Really looks orange to me and not worthy of the price jump at all.

I was thinking the same thing when he said it, no way its 20 million, had to have misspoke, 2 million?

CraZ4Pin, SilverBallz, and starbase are/were the top 3 JJP bashers (I think starbase moved on though). Just get over it guys...I get that you think Jack and/or JJP screwed you at some point, but sheesh, let it go. Move on to better things and let people enjoy the games.

I guess some people get emotionally invested in a theme or a company. I've spent 10k on 2 Stern pins and mods in the past 2 months. Yet I had no problem bashing Stern for TWD, I'm also a big fan of Borg, I've actually corresponded with him several times and he's a great guy, but the TWD design should have been thought out better and I dare say fought for more, by that I mean ala S. Richie, he banged heads with Gary many times over game features and cost cutting antics. With that said there is no excuse for Smaug being so hollow and basically irrelevant in a game that so badly needs a center piece...there are 50 people here that could have designed a better Smaug than that, heck 20 year old JP's T-rex is better. So calling a spade a spade is not trolling.

Well this has been a polarizing reveal. Obviously we aren't are all on board with the look and finish but at least we aren't arguing about gameplay. And that folks will be the determining factor. Most agree that woz is beautiful but most disagree that it's a great player. And that has been woz's Achilles heel. I think TH will wind up being the opposite - it may look like a Ford Taurus but it might play like a Ferrari.

And lose the book JJP.

I'm also very let down by the Smaug toy.....and lack of other toys on the playfield for that matter. Smaug looks more or less like a cheap spinning mechanical puppet whose mouth moves up and down like a talking doll from the 70's. I just don't think the price is justified from what I'm seeing now.....and I got in at the $7500 mark. I was so impressed with the beauty of WOZ and the loads of toys and features.....it is truly stunning. Looking at the WOZ pics others have posted on these threads next to The Hobbit pics is like placing a Kia next to a Ferrari. I'm considering asking for a refund. Guess I've been living in a cave recently but finally got around to checking out The Big Lebowski and HOLY CRAP it's awesome. This is more of what I was expecting to see from TH

_{Post edited by tb2767: wanted to add another thought}

Looks dull. Needed more cartwheels and dumb support messaging form the Jersey Jack Wack Pack.
More pinball is great for everyone, just look at this.

Agree 100% here. The Woz is just so much more impressive of a game.

I heard Jack throw that out. It sounded like he was joking. Either way there is no way it is true. They would have to sell 2500+ at $8500 each just to take in that much money. More likely it was a million or two to develop.