Small shop improvements turns into full remodel...

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Small shop improvements turns into full remodel...


By cosmokramer

4 months ago



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    #1 4 months ago

    I moved into our new house about 4 months ago. One of the reasons I liked this property was because along with an oversized 3 car garage next to the house, there is a 32x22 shop in the back. I planned on setting up the shop for pinball restorations along with general mechanic stuff.
    Here is what it looks like, still packed with crap from moving in. Luckily there is a large 16'x10' garage door on the front making it easy to get stuff in and out...

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    There was a bedroom and living room built in the back that I tore out before I moved in...during removal of the room I found some very suspect electrical wiring, and some "interesting" wall insulation including tarps, cardboard boxes, laundry and trash...
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    Once I saw the shoddy electrical work I thought it best to have an electrician take a look, clean it up, and add a 220 circuit ...we opened the wall and the existing panel and....YIKES! Clipped wires, bad connections...total fire hazzard.

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    ^^^ this is the main power coming into the shop from the house. It is spliced twice before it even gets to the panel! Those splices were barely taped and just sitting behind the drywall, not even in a junction box. Needless to say the small panel and shitty wiring has to go....

    #2 4 months ago

    All new wiring is in order, but the existing conduit is not large enough to accomodate the heavier wire. So I trenched from the house to the shop and put in some 2" conduit to pull new wire...

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    #3 4 months ago

    New connection at house and power feeding into shop...

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    Also took the oppertunity to run a water supply also, seen next to electrical conduit...

    #4 4 months ago

    Out with the 60 amp panel, in with the 125amp...

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    Plenty of room to expand...Im thinking about adding a mini split AC unit in the future...
    After stripping all the drywall I decided to frame out a small seperate work/office area in the back.

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    Framed up a couple of walls and set them in place...
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    All new wire and plugs...can lights in the smaller room...a 50 amp 220 outlet and some USB outlets. If you dont have any of these they are very convenient...

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    #5 4 months ago

    Electric is done... next up is insulation..

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    #6 4 months ago

    Looking good Cosmo...like seeing shop builds/renos/setup
    I'll be following

    #7 4 months ago

    Id like to see a Pic of you in front of the project, Scott!

    Im expecting this!

    Looking Good!

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    #8 4 months ago

    You need to use old tote bags for insulation

    #9 4 months ago

    Is that a YZF 250 in there?

    #10 4 months ago

    No offense, but I've never understood why people install electrical devices in the boxes before the drywall. There's a reason for the ears on the devices. They should be sitting up against the drywall when everything is complete and the hole cut for the box should be exactly the same as the box.

    #11 4 months ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    No offense, but I've never understood why people install electrical devices in the boxes before the drywall. There's a reason for the ears on the devices. They should be sitting up against the drywall when everything is complete and the hole cut for the box should be exactly the same as the box.

    Drive over and wire him up.

    #12 4 months ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    No offense, but I've never understood why people install electrical devices in the boxes before the drywall. There's a reason for the ears on the devices. They should be sitting up against the drywall when everything is complete and the hole cut for the box should be exactly the same as the box.

    Good point.
    since it will be awhile before I get to drywall I needed the shop functional, I still have work that I need to get done.
    Since it is a small number of switches and plugs I plan on removing them before drywall installation.

    #13 4 months ago
    Quoted from lordloss:

    Drive over and wire him up.

    I think you're missing his point

    #14 4 months ago

    My son and I got the perimiter walls done in about 3 hours...a few cavities were not insulated yet so I can install pipe for compressed air.

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    #15 4 months ago

    Speaking of compressed air pipe...I thought that I would run PVC from my compressor (I moved it outside the shop on a dedicated circuit and switch). I looked into it online and found out PVC is a terrible choice tor air due to shattering and spraying shrapnel. Of course my das used it gor 25 years with no problem but I would like to put it behind the drywall and dont want to have to open up the wall to repair it. Black iron or copper has been the material of choice , but recently some plastic tubing kits have become popular...I however chose to use copper...

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    #16 4 months ago
    Quoted from Jjsmooth:

    Is that a YZF 250 in there?

    Yes

    #17 4 months ago

    Dude, install some central vac pipe also, build that back to a shop vac or a use central vac and it’s great for hooking to tools for a clean environment. But I’m assuming your doing that already

    #18 4 months ago

    Haha, you could do that...
    Or,
    Just pass on the central vac $$ Cosmo and just spring for the FULL Festool line and properly pimp machines out dust free like our long lost pin-restore guru Honda350!
    You know, since you have the walls open and all.

    Good luck with finishing the new digs and all the future projects!

    #19 4 months ago

    Nice job trenching new conduit instead of half-a$$ing it.
    What gauge did you pull for the 125 AMP panel?

    #20 4 months ago
    Quoted from northerndude:

    Dude, install some central vac pipe also, build that back to a shop vac or a use central vac and it’s great for hooking to tools for a clean environment. But I’m assuming your doing that already

    I considered it but all my tools are on casters and I use them in different places (or outside if possible) so Im going to skip that...

    Quoted from dhutton:

    Nice job trenching new conduit instead of half-a$$ing it.
    What gauge did you pull for the 125 AMP panel?

    2 AWG

    Got back to it this weekend...was able to run cable for the TVs and eathernet for my computer.
    Next I started the copper pipe for the compressed air system. I have a lot of construction experience but have never soldered copper pipe before so there was a bit of a learning curve but after a few minutes I picked it up. Although it did take hours it came out ok...im sure a professional could have done it in 30 min

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    #21 4 months ago

    I put a drop in the ceiling with a water catch and release valve, the way I saw it done on google...

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    Then ran it the rest of the way to the front of the shop and dropped it down a wall...stubbing out near the top for a hose reel and at the bottom for a blast cabinet or whatever...

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    #22 4 months ago

    I put the compressor behind the shop, I will build an enclosure for it when I put my big compressor in...right now im using my small one to test the system...

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    Aired it up to 130 psi and let it sit for an hour...no leaks so Im ready to move on...

    #23 4 months ago

    Compressor system works great, next up is drywall on one side of the interior walls so I can complete the insulation installation. I dislike drywalling, seems like a simple job but sure has a lot of annoying issues.
    I moved the TV and arcade sign off the last remaining framework of the old room and temporarily put them where they will eventually stay. I moved a lot of stuff into the smaller work room so I can prepare to hang drywall on the perimeter walls. I need to get some pinball cabibets finished and painted for a few customers before I proceed much farther with the facelift, other than a sheet of drywall here or there in between work. Im trying to set up a trade for someone to come epoxy the concrete floor and footings...

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    Something like this...

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    #24 4 months ago

    Never thought of using copper for air. I might do the same. I’m planning to build a small spray booth and outdoor closet for an air compressor soon. Good thread.

    3 months later
    #25 13 days ago
    Quoted from cosmokramer:

    I dislike drywalling

    Ok, so I dislike drywalling so much that I found a whole lot of other stuff to do around the house that wasnt drywalling...I avoided the shop work for 3 months while I finished a good number of WPC cabinets, did a bunch of landscaping, hung the last remaining pictures,mirrors,shelves etc from the move and so forth but now Im ready to drywall, mud, tape,texture and paint...
    I hung 24 twelve foot sheets of drywall, I could have gotten away with less but wanted to avoid as many joints as possible even though I wasted some material.
    Next up is mud and tape/mesh, the part I have been avoiding...I have never done this part before so I watched a few youtube vids and gave it a try...here is a few pics at my first attemt at skimming an inside corner and some joints, keep in mind this is a work in progress and there is a learning curve...

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    #26 13 days ago

    I "can do" drywalling but yeah it's a fucking pain. Do everything you can to sand as little as possible has become my mantra. If it means more really thin coats then I'll do that.

    Any update on the expoxy floor? I'm looking to getting that down this spring.

    #27 13 days ago

    Looking awesome!

    #28 13 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I "can do" drywalling but yeah it's a fucking pain. Do everything you can to sand as little as possible has become my mantra. If it means more really thin coats then I'll do that.

    Experienced tapers sand off about 10% of what they put on. Homeowners that have no idea what they're doing, sand off about 75%.

    #29 13 days ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    Homeowners that have no idea what they're doing, sand off about 75%.

    This seems to be my experience so far, but I am getting better...

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Any update on the expoxy floor?

    I took this picture a few days ago when I was repairing a garage door at a customers house. This is what I want, but I dont want the cheap home depot stuff, the guy told me he paid $2500 for a professional to do this 3 car garage...
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    #30 12 days ago

    Thanks, I need the good stuff too. This is one I'll happily leave for the pros.

    #31 12 days ago

    if taping is not something your going to do on a regular basis then hire it out. I see a bunch of sweat and cursing in your future lol.

    #32 12 days ago

    Looks awesome! Looking forward to the finished product!

    #33 12 days ago

    I just got done with this project a couple of months ago and it sounds all too similar. It all started for me with one hole. Yes, just one simple hole snowballed into a full blown gut and remodel. I paid to have the floor done and here's what my epoxy floor looks like.

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    #34 12 days ago

    I have DIY'd 6 total a garage floors now from all the houses that I have owned. The first one started with a water based big box kit. The second moved to a high solids epoxy but still from a BB store. Then I found Arizona Polymer Flooring https://www.apfepoxy.com/ From that point I got better and better with each iteration and I feel comfortable that I am getting the same results as if I paid a professional to do it. As with anything, the final quality of the finish is mostly based on proper preparation.

    I am lucky enough to be able go grab it in person but they have several distributors in the CA area. While it does have a learning curve, it is pretty straight forward and based on what I can glean of your technical abilities, you can definitely handle it. If you want to try it yourself and are interested in using the APF product specifically or just want any tips, just send me a message and we can chat.

    #35 12 days ago
    Quoted from Jarbyjibbo:

    just send me a message and we can chat.

    Thanks, I might take you up on that if I attempt it myself....I took this pic yesterday, its a perfect example of why I dont want the home depot crap...

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    #36 12 days ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    Experienced tapers sand off about 10% of what they put on. Homeowners that have no idea what they're doing, sand off about 75%.

    I work as an electrician but have done several drywall jobs. thin coats are better than thick, use wide knives 12" for butt joints 6-8" for corners. I only sand once at the end (maybe a little spot sanding in between) but after each coat scrape any ridges and high spots with a dry knife. This makes much less dust.

    As TheLaw said more thin coats is ultimately better in the end.

    #37 11 days ago
    Quoted from cosmokramer:

    Thanks, I might take you up on that if I attempt it myself....I took this pic yesterday, its a perfect example of why I dont want the home depot crap...
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    Wow, I have never had any epoxy floor come up like that.

    #38 11 days ago

    Looks awesome, just like your cabinets.

    #39 11 days ago
    Quoted from cosmokramer:

    This is what I want

    Good luck finding a small dropped screw with that floor pattern Cosmo.
    I had a kitchen countertop with a similar pattern and I had to use a flashlight pointed across the surface to make sure I got all the crumbs/food schmeg all cleaned up.

    Why not get it professionally polished and sealed?
    Or maybe try the new vinyl planks that are industructable?
    We did it at our shop and they came out great.
    Here’s a pic of them one year later with plenty of heavy traffic on them.
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    #40 10 days ago

    Ah yes loosing small parts... A client of mine has a large second garage where he keeps a few classic cars. He has a black and white checkered tile floor and old gas station paraphernalia. It looks really classy

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