Not for me, it's the best flow pin I've ever played. And dropping to #11 behind a few of those other ranked above it, no way! It's becoming unloved and forgotten.

I stopped by Pinballz south on my way back from Austin yesterday and got to play the STLE again and sorry, but it's not even close. Bling it up, sure, play it, no wow factor for me, the mashed up tinfoil and Enterprise shot, over and over again, is disappointing.

I'll take Sandman, Venom and Doc Ock all day, every day.

I have Ac/dc and SM and have played ST enough now, but even though Ac/dc has the fun factor it doesn't come close to flow for me versus SM. ST is only "faster" with the underwhelming "warp ramp" that was derived from Venom!

Get a mutiball or two going on SM, no comparison imho.....

Negative Hasselhoff! Not even close Keep dreaming though

And your STTNG blows the new one away, all day!

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And Ac/dc plays a huge second fiddle to SM....

I def respect your opinion Wizard with 36 pins, more action with STLE, maybe, flow though, man I just feel that SM flow, ST, plenty of time to react and think about what to do next imho....

Every time I play it, that's the feeling I'm left with, "best all around", and I own Lotr and Ac/dc

The ramp shots are butter smooth and the fastest flowing of any ramps.

The other thing that makes SM great is when you are in multi ball mode it's like no other when you get the ramp combos, loops, center shot, venom and Ock all going at once.

The shots feel like the perfect prototype pinball machine for me.

The ramps on SM seem to be engineered to max "butter flow" and speed. The whooshing sound is the best. The warp ramp is cool on ST but there is just no better combos when i can go to the loops and ramps at the same time on a MB and then hit a venom and have 5 more options again off of that shot.

The bling, light show and theme for some, is what carries ST, I'll take the game play on SM.

It's kind of like slingshotting around that first turn at Talladega speedway! And I've done that at 180 mph. Just shots that feel great!

Seeing as though you have 3 of 7 Star Trek games I'm sure we won't be able to change your mind!

Even though you are blinded with bias if you had enough games played on those two I think you would at least admit it to yourself that you are wrong!

Glad to hear that, I'll be setting mine up tomorrow, already have the beer iced down!

"POTENTIAL" to be better than SM, and I think it will be when Lyman gets done with it!

I think it does, let's get the full rules in and see. The shots, flow and combos are spectacular, and the use of the magnets so far add some excellent randomness. Great theme integration so far.

I love em both. What can I say, the sound and light show on TWD is just far superior.

TFA, the code is better than ST right now, because ST blows imo

But I own Ac/dc and Lotr too and I'm not saying that about those two You would probably say ST and IM because you own those two even though you'd be wrong, just because IM is brutal fast doesn't mean it has great flow, it doesn't

Dang Smassa, you go through pins like shit through a goose!

There is actually only one shot that ends up in the pops, Riot lane, if you hit the tunnel shot clean its a screaming loop and a great combo shot.

When my ball does go into the pops it has a lot more random action and spends less time in there than Ac/dc, we know exactly how its coming out of those pops, every time.

You are playing some other pin then, or one that isn't set up properly. Left loop, NEVER, metal ball guide prevents it, Riot inner yes, the only one really, and Woodbury on the pro with no standup, please? The "bermuda triangle", hardly, maybe on Ac/dc but not TWD

It's really a great design imo And the location of the pops are perfect for all of these great shots.

What's the phrase? "Very satisfying"

Well you can't possibly go into the pops from the left orbit on the LE. Pro doesn't have metal ball guide?

So you are talking about the back end of the shot and not through the rollovers which it can't do, the thing i have to worry about most is an extra turbo boost from the pop down to the flippers off the left loop. Gives that shot some excellent immediate randomness, if I miss it and it rolls too slow then it might bounce around in the pops on the back end but it doesn't stay there like a few others report, maybe wrong pitch?

Shot is a screamer. One shot to the pops and its a tight one, the "Riot" lane.

Tunnel shot is fast as hell and fun for long loop combos, I've done 3 "warp loops"

I call it the "loop" and its possible to go into the pops, my right loop rarely does because its a clean shot and the left loop won't either if its clean and set up correctly. That said, I like the pop action, brief as it is from the left loop when it happens.

All in all, I love this pin

No. Left loop on TWD can add a turbo boost and randomness through grazing those pops.

Doesn't kill it for me. If I can live with AC/DC I can live with anything.

You can turn that pop bumper off. For some reason it doesn't affect my ball much. Maybe it's the pitch and speed it's coming around?

I wanted to play this thing as quick as possible so I did the eyeball test with the legs and feet and think I nailed it. I'll check with the leveler and let you know what it is after I get some more games on it tonight!

I haven't changed out the post sleeve either, getting a few SDTM's. When I first got Ac/dc, it was literally unplayable without the fatter post sleeve, I wanted to take a sledgehammer to that frustrating drain monster out of the pops.

They could have put a diverter gate there and given you the option. Oh well, it's not perfect flow, like SM imo, but its pretty damn good!

And it def has the crack open a beer and keep hitting the start button factor.

Not sure why you guys are having so much trouble over it, the tunnel shot, right loop/orbit is a screaming combo special which is much more "satisfying" than the "warp" shot on ST (sorry but it is), and if you hit the left loop/orbit cleanly you shouldn't be having pop issues other than the half second it takes to kick it randomly at a higher speed.

I'm afraid to even move my pin now as it feels set up just right.