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Slide save - cheating or just nudging/pinball skill?

By spinal

6 years ago


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  • Latest reply 4 years ago by dasvis
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    “The slide save is...”

    • ... cheating at pinball. If you're physically moving the pin across the floor it's going too far! 66 votes
      27%
    • ... just another form of nudging. Just because the legs move a bit across the floor doesn't make a difference - I'll just move it back a bit after I drain and all is good. 179 votes
      73%

    (245 votes)

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    #17 6 years ago

    Slide saves are part of pinball play.

    You take what the game gives you.

    It's a counter measure when an on location pin has been set up unfairly (or not set things up properly at all).

    #32 6 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    And for the record, the only time I WOULDN'T use a slide save in a tournament if I felt it was absolutely necessary is if I'm playing Demo Man by the handles. THAT *is* asking for cabinet damage.....and probably a shoulder injury, LOL. I dunno. I'm used to playing at home where my games are head to head, and the location I typically play at the games are head to head, so it's not really like I can do what's in that video above where it moves two feet..

    I've never done a death save OR bangback, but I do slide saves all the time and no game I've ever owned and sold in 6 years has ever had any of these problems.....nor out of the ~55 games I've owned, have I ever purchased a game with any of these problems other than 'bent legs' (Frankly they usually look like such a pile of crap I don't care if they're bent! They're getting replaced anyways, so a little twist on them is kind of irrelevant!) that looked like it was due to abuse as much as NORMAL wear and tear, or overtightened leg bolts.
    I'll give you the floor damage. The flooring under my pins looks like dog crap.

    I've never had any issues either with damage to a pin through slide saves.

    Just put protectors on the feet to prevent carpet/floor damage -- easy & cheap.

    Doing regular maintenance/occasional tightening of leg bolts, head bolts, etc. should prevent any damage.

    Not sure how you could even bend a leg unless you neglect to ever tighten the bolts every now and then.

    Pins aren't going to fall apart because of slide saves, they're pretty robust machines.

    #59 6 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    No. Machines were built to nudge and its part of the game. Any owner that says you can't nudge I guess I'd have to be done playing and want to leave because that person was too ridiculous to hang with.

    You can nudge my machines anytime, Markmon.

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    #80 6 years ago
    Quoted from GregCon:

    Um....those who fail to learn from Devo are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. Santana said that years ago, and it holds true today. Not to mention those who fail to learn from the very words of Pinball Wizard wherein (and I quoteth) "He stands like a statue/becomes part of the machine/Felling all the bumpers/ALWAYS PLAYING CLEAN". Now, if that isn't proof positive I don't know what is.
    So, as we have all seen in pretty much any Ninja movie (and 'Ninja' is capitalized, thank you), there is always the brash youngster who shows up full of piss and vinegar who gets his ass kicked by the aged, feeble-looking bald Ninja master and must learn to rethink his ways before becoming a true Ninja warrior.
    A true Ninja (or Tommy) would never need to manhandle the machine because he would always be in complete command of the ball.
    Shoving the machine around is like putting Vaseline on the baseball or deflating the football a tad. It's dirty pool, old man. You might get away with it, but .....
    Show me two players with equal scores and the one who didn't need to jostle the machine is the better player.
    And as for the old 'pinball machines are meant to be shoved around argument' ... that's ludicrous. It's more like 'Pinball makers know that the machines will be abused by mooks in public settings so they account for that in their design'. Those are two different things.

    So you better write to directors of PAPA tournaments and tell them a song from The Who determines what's legal & what isn't.

    #82 6 years ago
    Quoted from dasvis:

    Get a life.
    Nudging IS pinball & exactly how pinball started. The early pins had NO flippers. The only way to control anything was to nudge.

    Gee, and "Pinball Wizard" wasn't even on the radio yet - how did they know how to play back then?

    #84 6 years ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    *snort*
    It's as if you've kept your eyes closed.. Why do you think there are posts with rubber with these inlane gates?? To protect the ball or something?

    Playing with your eyes closed is how a true ninja plays (& never attains a high score of any kind).

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    #115 6 years ago
    Quoted from spinal:

    Thanks for all your votes and comments - very interesting!
    Poll is currently at 71% for those who think the slide save is OK. If this is the case, would it then be unacceptable to have a competition where machines are on carpet?

    Great thread.
    Always wondered what the consensus was for slide saves among pinball enthusiasts.
    Dasvis & I have been slide savers since the mid 70s.

    #121 6 years ago
    Quoted from ramegoom:

    I slide, jiggle and shove in a big way. In fact, I have slipped small plastic bags over every tilt bobber in my pins to completely prevent tilts and had installed nylon glides on all of the feet.
    Been severely nudging and jiggling since the 60's when we used to hang at the pool hall game room and would place those bakelite ash trays under the front two legs to "level" the playing field. You could play all night with a single coin.

    Speaking of ash trays, when we were young punks, we used to put ash trays under the feet with a little 30 wt. oil in them to boot.

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