Conyers, GA
Quoted from TheLaw:And then leave if they start crying.
I know at least one person local to me that would probably have a coronary. 
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And for the record, the only time I WOULDN'T use a slide save in a tournament if I felt it was absolutely necessary is if I'm playing Demo Man by the handles. THAT *is* asking for cabinet damage.....and probably a shoulder injury, LOL. I dunno. I'm used to playing at home where my games are head to head, and the location I typically play at the games are head to head, so it's not really like I can do what's in that video above where it moves two feet..
Quoted from BrianBannon:Players that think that slide saves, death saves and bangbacks don't hurt games has yet to fix a broken tab weld on a lockdown bar, replace bent legs, or fix cabinet damage, not to mention possibly tearing up the floor of the location.
I've never done a death save OR bangback, but I do slide saves all the time and no game I've ever owned and sold in 6 years has ever had any of these problems.....nor out of the ~55 games I've owned, have I ever purchased a game with any of these problems other than 'bent legs' (Frankly they usually look like such a pile of crap I don't care if they're bent! They're getting replaced anyways, so a little twist on them is kind of irrelevant!) that looked like it was due to abuse as much as NORMAL wear and tear, or overtightened leg bolts.
I'll give you the floor damage. The flooring under my pins looks like dog crap.
Quoted from TheLaw:Finally, something worse than a cargument.
I'm pretty sure the Ninjargument above takes the cake... like...really...how the hell can you quote Devo as a defense for refusing to develop an actual skill? How many of the "ninjas" at the highest echelon of pinball players DON'T NUDGE?
Zero?
Oh... 
Quoted from Taygeta:Nudging, slapsaves etc are fine.
Death saves or any moves that damage the structural integrity of the game not so much. Have heard the wood splinter at tournaments when some players with anger issues kick the legs.
How the f.....is a slide save the same as KICKING THE GAME?
Do you people even read anything that's said or just let the verbal diarrhea fly?
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Quoted from herg:I'm curious about how people's opinions on slide saves relate to things like how long they've been in pinball, how many machines they own, whether they've bought routed machines or only new, etc. I will do slide saves, but not on people's private games without asking them first. It's not because I think it's cheating, though. It's only out of respect for others' property.
There's a difference between how you treat games at home versus at someone else's house or a public location.
I love how I didn't even need to defend my position above, and I'm not even going to bother at this point, because now it's just LULZ. I'm glad that so many people seem to 'get it' while there's a few people that will never know what a wizard mode feels like, or a tournament win. LOL
Quoted from flynnibus:If you mean move it 1-2" on a surface that's compatible.. that's pinball. If you move it to slam into something or it twerks the legs/cabinets.. that's generally not cool on location or at home
Of course it always helps to understand your host... some people think their games are snowflakes and can't handle anything. It generally helps to learn from people how they approach the games and go from there. Heck, usually half of them are not even aware of such skills such as nudging, slaps, shifts, etc.
You want a tougher spot to figure out.. try moving other people's games
So....since you basically agree with me, I'm trying to figure out why you downvoted me. 
Quoted from flynnibus:The games on location are owned by someone too... they don't deserve to be second class citizens by people who actually care about the hobby (vs random abusive public).
Then take your thumb back, because you're 100% backwards. I'm *MUCH* harder on my personal games than games on location or in someone else's house.....but thanks for assuming that I'm just trashing everyone else's games.
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