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Single rarest Stern game?


By TigerLaw

4 years ago



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“What is the rarest modern Stern?”

  • Big Buck Hunter 14 votes
    5%
  • CSI 36 votes
    13%
  • 24 32 votes
    11%
  • NBA 81 votes
    29%
  • TigerLaw; you forgot the lowest production and I'm going to tell you which it really is below. 12 votes
    4%
  • I don't know and don't care, but I do like to vote in polls. 106 votes
    38%

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#51 4 years ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:

I think he is looking for production games .

Yes, production games was my real target, but seeing good morning America was awesome. I'm really curious about its software. I wonder where that game is now.

#52 4 years ago

Both Shrek and Dale Jr. supposedly had production runs of 600 units. But I find it odd that Shrek is owned by 77 pinsiders and on 109 locations whereas Dale Jr. is only owned by 11 pinsiders and on 16 locations. How can that be if production numbers were the same?

#53 4 years ago
Quoted from kst8cat:

Both Shrek and Dale Jr. supposedly had production runs of 600 units. But I find it odd that Shrek is owned by 77 pinsiders and on 109 locations whereas Dale Jr. is only owned by 11 pinsiders and on 16 locations. How can that be if production numbers were the same?

Themes

#54 4 years ago

i got it the home models stern made.

#55 4 years ago

Wow quite a lot of opinions to sift through.

Assuming we are talking about modern Sterns 1999+, the lower production candidates tend to be NFL, NBA, CSI, 24, BBH, Striker Xtreme and Sharkey's Shootout. All my research tells me tells me there were less than 300 of each made. From personal observation, I have yet to see an NFL in person anywhere. The only NBA I've seen is at Universal's NBA restaurant. I've only found 1 of each of CSI, 24, and BBH on location since they were released. I have seen several Striker Xtremes, but Sharkey's Shootout maybe 1? I'm as confident in this list as one can be with research and anecdotal evidence, yet no ability to confirm the numbers... I'll put them in order of rarity first.

NFL- 85
NBA - 200
Sharkey's Shootout - 250
CSI / 24 / BBH - 250-300
Striker Xtreme - 250+

I believe all other Sterns had higher runs than the above titles

#56 4 years ago

Here is an interesting thread from 2 years ago that deals with Stern production numbers, and there are some wide variations reported here by different posters. One guy even says that 3500 Shreks were produced. Haven't made it through the entire thread yet, but it's pretty good reading.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/do-we-have-any-sales-data-production-number-of-stern-pins

#57 4 years ago

Baiter did a great job identifying NFL...I have never seen one and totally forgot about it.

#58 4 years ago
Quoted from Baiter:

Wow quite a lot of opinions to sift through.
Assuming we are talking about modern Sterns 1999+, the lower production candidates tend to be NFL, NBA, CSI, 24, BBH, Striker Xtreme and Sharkey's Shootout. All my research tells me tells me there were less than 300 of each made. From personal observation, I have yet to see an NFL in person anywhere. The only NBA I've seen is at Universal's NBA restaurant. I've only found 1 of each of CSI, 24, and BBH on location since they were released. I have seen several Striker Xtremes, but Sharkey's Shootout maybe 1? I'm as confident in this list as one can be with research and anecdotal evidence, yet no ability to confirm the numbers... I'll put them in order of rarity first.
NFL- 85
NBA - 200
Sharkey's Shootout - 250
CSI / 24 / BBH - 250-300
Striker Xtreme - 250+
I believe all other Sterns had higher runs than the above titles

There were way more than 2,000 Striker's. There were 500 Shrek's. Most of them sold to CeC's. Your other numbers look better, but there are over 85 NBA's. Serials indicate that there should be around 200 NBA's. Stern usually ran at LEAST 200 of every single production title. Even the ones that sucked.

Keep in mind that not only people in the US buy Stern pinball machines. 50% of sales are other countries.

#59 4 years ago

A heap of Striker Extremes and Sharkey's Shootouts seemed to come to Australia as fillers for containers from Europe.

#60 4 years ago

I've seen nba, 24, csi and bbh all go thru auction at starburst. I know that's not an acurate indicator as to amount made, but I've never seen an nfl

#61 4 years ago
Quoted from kst8cat:

Both Shrek and Dale Jr. supposedly had production runs of 600 units. But I find it odd that Shrek is owned by 77 pinsiders and on 109 locations whereas Dale Jr. is only owned by 11 pinsiders and on 16 locations. How can that be if production numbers were the same?

There is a Dale Jr. in a LeChucky-Cheez near me.

#62 4 years ago

It has to be Avengers Premium, if you want to count that separately.

#63 4 years ago

Was NBA the first game with the SAM system?

#64 4 years ago
Quoted from jackofdiamonds:

Was NBA the first game with the SAM system?

It was WPT.

#65 4 years ago
Quoted from extraballingtmc:

I love wrestling but I'm gonna say when it's all said and done wrestlemania could be one of the lowest

why? i think you're grossly underestimating the depth of the WWF/WWE fanbase - surely there is a bigger market for this theme than something like CSI or Mustang.

#66 4 years ago

FUN has an NFL. I know of one NBA in Shreveport-Bossier.

#67 4 years ago

BBH only seen one for sale never spotted in the wild

#68 4 years ago

the one with an original layout

#69 4 years ago

Any Stern with complete code? I kid I kid

#70 4 years ago
Quoted from jamieflowers:

Any Stern with complete code? I kid I kid

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#71 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Rolling Stones LE: rumor is ~150 were made
Avengers Premium

These for sure.

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#72 4 years ago

You have to look at Iron Man original. Even with a small VE the numbers are small. If you are including LE'S than the VE's have to be separated from the originals and maybe that's it? How many VE'S 100?

#73 4 years ago

I think due to serial numbers we have estimated that there were 1,100 Iron Man's made in the original run and most distributors said there were 500 VE's run. 1,600, 1,100, or 500 are all larger runs than CSI, 24, or BBH had for sure.

I think those saying NFL have nailed it. I've never seen this game in person. Only seen one come up for sale on Pinside over the years. That game just isn't out there. I wonder how the theme would do now?

#74 4 years ago

Ya, not IM original then...

#75 4 years ago

Saw Steelers NFL pin at an auction here in Cincy last year. Reserve was like 3K and it did not sell. Only one I have ever seen for sale.

#76 4 years ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

Saw Steelers NFL pin at an auction here in Cincy last year. Reserve was like 3K and it did not sell. Only one I have ever seen for sale.

There was a Steelers NFL pin here on location for many years. That's the only one I have ever seen in person, but I've never heard anything about production numbers. I had also heard that there were apx 1100 24's made and I have seen a handful of those. I've heard CSI was only apx 350 units, so I voted for that.

#77 4 years ago

It's too bad there aren't more CSI's out there. I think it's a really cool game and interesting layout by Pat Lawler. But a combination of the theme and the time-frame it was released really hurt the sales numbers I'm guessing. Pat has not done a game since then, correct? The new Jersey Jack will be his first in 7 years?

#78 4 years ago

US version NBA gets my vote.

I'm still kicking myself for not buying a prototype that came up FS here a couple of years ago.

I've seen and played a couple of BBH pins on location and seems like quite a few FS recently.

I guess the obvious question is would I want to buy any of these pins?

Maybe BBH or NBA, the rest, no thanks.

I think BBH was at the tail end of the cost cutting era for Stern and just before JJP announced WOZ.

#79 4 years ago

I think Stern's cost cutting efforts basically continued all the way until they started doing LE's.

By the way, I don't think the cost cutting started till after CSI. Look at CSI closely, that molded skull, wire form ramps, the centerfuge toy...that game cost some bucks BOP.

#80 4 years ago

XMEN and XMENLE might be in the mix somewhere.

There was a time when you could buy a CV at close out prices under 2k. I have owned a CV, I like XMENLE better overall.

Quantity does not make a game great in and of itself.

#81 4 years ago

double post

#83 4 years ago

I'd say NFL, Mustang Premium, or Metallica Road Case Premium.

#84 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I think Stern's cost cutting efforts basically continued all the way until they started doing LE's.
By the way, I don't think the cost cutting started till after CSI. Look at CSI closely, that molded skull, wire form ramps, the centerfuge toy...that game cost some bucks BOP.

..which they countered by nerfing the software development and shipping a half-assed coded game

#85 4 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

..which they countered by nerfing the software development and shipping a half-assed coded game

Yes, the code is not good on CSI or 24 for that matter. Both seem to be coded like JPop games.

#87 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Yes, the code is not good on CSI or 24 for that matter. Both seem to be coded like JPop games.

Nothing's wrong with the CSI code. You guys are just jealous that I have the current high score.

#88 4 years ago
Quoted from kst8cat:

Nothing's wrong with the CSI code. You guys are just jealous that I have the current high score.

Honestly I don't think there are things wrong with most code on a lot of games. A lot of times people flip out about it but seriously, unless you play the games in easy joke mode or on 5 balls you won't be completing most of the features anyway.

Ask anyone that comes to my arcade how many times they can get to the "end" on most of my machines and I can assure you it won't be easy.

I understand some people flip out with animations and scoring and missing things but it's definitely blown way the heck out of proportion.

#89 4 years ago
Quoted from DreamTR:

I understand some people flip out with animations and scoring and missing things but it's definitely blown way the heck out of proportion.

It's missing things to do. It has three multiballs and a couple other random things (DNA) and that's about it. The game fails to convey much sense of crime-scene investigations.. i mean, the main multiball is "skull multiball"? Microscope has been reduced to "shoot this colored light" You can't tell me Pat didn't have bigger plans for that evidence grid in the middle of the playfield... Upper PF shot is pretty useless, and the audio is lacking.

#90 4 years ago

Are We counting Sega Days?

Viper night driving mini had 2 made

Golden Cue had under 20 before it became Sharkey's shootout.

I prefers not to count the one offs as Apollo 13 had a spinoff.

I have to say Golden Cue as they sold them to consumers.

Heard 24 and CSI are under 400.

BBH I heard was over 500 plus

#91 4 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

It's missing things to do. It has three multiballs and a couple other random things (DNA) and that's about it. The game fails to convey much sense of crime-scene investigations.. i mean, the main multiball is "skull multiball"? Microscope has been reduced to "shoot this colored light" You can't tell me Pat didn't have bigger plans for that evidence grid in the middle of the playfield... Upper PF shot is pretty useless, and the audio is lacking.

I am talking about it as a general thing. I actually have not played CSI so I do not know anything about it. I had a discussion with someone about this and 24 and he swore CSI was better but 24 I knew was very underrated and fun. I have 24 but not CSI.

#92 4 years ago

Im thinking csi because ive only ever seen one but have played and had a chance to buy 24 quite a few times but again could just be by chance?

#93 4 years ago
Quoted from kst8cat:

How can that be if production numbers were the same?

Dealer inventory.

I'm amused at the story of SXs being container fillers. That would certainly explain where most of them went. Pretty sure that game killed the German distributor, but not 100%.

I would be simply shocked if there were < 250-500 NFLs, but I can't be sure on that either. 85 sounds ridiculous even for a filler game.

Also, 250 Sharkeys is laughable and absolutely wrong. I know for a fact that one was around 1000.

Also 250 SXs is also extremely laughable. That one is likely to be closer to 2000, though I know no one will believe it.

#94 4 years ago
Quoted from pinball_keefer:

That one is likely to be closer to 2000, though I know no one will believe it.

I believe it , I've seen quite a few of those . Never seemed like a rare game , to me anyways . An operator in the area has one at the local ski hill .

#95 4 years ago
Quoted from pinball_keefer:

Dealer inventory.
I'm amused at the story of SXs being container fillers. That would certainly explain where most of them went. Pretty sure that game killed the German distributor, but not 100%.
I would be simply shocked if there were < 250-500 NFLs, but I can't be sure on that either. 85 sounds ridiculous even for a filler game.
Also, 250 Sharkeys is laughable and absolutely wrong. I know for a fact that one was around 1000.
Also 250 SXs is also extremely laughable. That one is likely to be closer to 2000, though I know no one will believe it.

I agree with you on all of those except NFL. I never see nor hear of NFL at all, and that's a game where every one produced would almost certainly have stayed in this country, as well. 85 does seem way too low, but I'd say certainly less than 500.

#96 4 years ago

Saw an NFL @ CAX in 2013

#97 4 years ago

NFL has only been rated on Pinside 11 times. 11 times in 14 years...holy crap...it has to take home the gold for a production game.

#98 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

NFL has only been rated on Pinside 11 times. 11 times in 14 years...holy crap...it has to take home the gold for a production game.

No need to rate it, it's just Striker Extreme. I have to believe most of these went to hardcore football fans and went straight into their game rooms and most are probably still owned today by the original owners.

Boston Pinball has 22 of these NFL games sold on ebay over the last 8 years.

#99 4 years ago

Sounds like there's plenty of disagreement about sub 1000 production numbers on Sharkeys and Striker that they should probably be removed from the mix. That leaves only NFL and the "dark years" games 2009-2010, which makes sense.

NFL- 85
NBA - 200
CSI / 24 / BBH - 250-300

All these games had complete runs less than today's Stern LEs

#100 4 years ago

Some of the other ones in this discussion and other Stern titles for comparison from Boston Pinball
http://www.bostonpinball.biz/ebay_1114.htm

LOTR 200
TSPP 193
Elvis 170
POTC 170
Monopoly 153
Sopranos 135
Nascar 133
Austin Powers 109
Playboy 96
Roller Coaster Tycoon 84
WPT 74
T3 73
Harley Davidson 70 (187 if including Sega)
Family Guy 64
ACDC 62
spiderman 58
RBION 57
High Roller Casino 56
Striker Extreme 46
IJ4 45
Sharkey's Shootout 44
BDK 36
Tron 33
Metallica 32
Star Trek 31
Shrek 25
NFL 22
Transformers 21
Avengers 21
WOF 21
X-men 19
Iron Man 18
Avatar 16
BBH 13
Rolling Stones 11
Mustang 6
24 5
CSI 5
NBA 4
Walking Dead 4

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