UGH TSPP...
It earned on route is the only nice thing I can say about it!
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Quoted from cjchand:I’ve only had my TSPP for a few months, but the only thing that I’ve had to replace was the VUK switch under the upper playfield.
I've had mine for a little over 4 years and that's the only thing I've had to replace as well. I did break the mode TV at one point but that was because I pulled a wire out of the harness doing something stupid. I had to buy a molex crimper to fix it, which would have eventually been a requirement anyway.
Quoted from CafeOne:I'm like the only person in the world that does not like TSPP. JP!
Cody M agrees with you!
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I’d be curious to see how this poll would change if an updated vault tspp with lcd and assets came out vs jp. I feel like while jp is a great game, it gets the shiny new toy advantage automatically compared to older dmd games.
Quoted from konghusker:I’d be curious to see how this poll would change if an updated vault tspp with lcd and assets came out vs jp. I feel like while jp is a great game, it gets the shiny new toy advantage automatically compared to older dmd games.
True, but a ColorDMD in one of the non-dots modes is kinda close. Only really works as a substitute due it it being a cartoon.
I have no idea how much Stern would charge for a modern Simpsons. 5 flippers, mini playfield, tv, expensive license, etc. etc. Aside from the bling, it's beyond a premium.
Add in all that shiny stuff and the LCD addition and I would guess it would be priced in Batman SLE territory.
I have both games, and love both games. But if I had to pick one, I'd go with Simpsons. My wife would disagree.
Quoted from cjchand:True, but a ColorDMD in one of the non-dots modes is kinda close. Only really works as a substitute due it it being a cartoon.
Quoted from konghusker:I’d be curious to see how this poll would change if an updated vault tspp with lcd and assets came out vs jp. I feel like while jp is a great game, it gets the shiny new toy advantage automatically compared to older dmd games.
Quoted from cjchand:I’ve only had my TSPP for a few months, but the only thing that I’ve had to replace was the VUK switch under the upper playfield. That’s pretty much a guarantee to go given how often it is hit.
Per the owner’s thread, it’s built like a tank - I’m inclined to believe it.
Don't doubt that. Just older games in general can be more work... But, then again some new games might be a lot of work too... Turns out I think I need to contact Stern and then take whole bunch of things apart on my brand new elvira... just to hit the ever important skill shot(don't know how that wasn't fully tested, before manufacturing. And that is why I actually hate. LE's being made first... Yeah, you're paying for a better package. But, the manufacturing process is still in its learning curve.
And some old games do turn out to be more reliable. Like my Sinbad. That thing is a tank as well.
So... I was just being more general about the situation. But, I guess... New or old. It's pinball. Crap is going to break, and you're going to need to tinker. That'ts the nature of the beast.
100% agree. Full LED with OCD and Color DMD and can't imagine this one ever leaving the collection.
Quoted from RTS:TSPP is one of the best coded games ever. It's all because of the great stackability.
There are so many ways to approach the game that you don't really need to suffer through a long game to be challenged and crank up the score. Stack the modes and finish them in a single ball (without draining or timing out the clock) and you'll blow up the score. Combine it with double scoring on shots and it's through the roof. This approach can only occur on a single ball. If you started several unfinished modes and drain, kiss this potentially high scoring approach goodbye.
But if you prefer depth that can also be had with several balls, TSPP still delivers beyond the TV modes. You will see modes that open up only when more accomplishments are achieved (Treehouse (crazy extra ball, Apu's Giveaway, Nuclear Disaster, Krusty spinner etc), Pretzel, Secret Stash, Alien Invasion). Heck, if you can wind the clock up to a full 60 seconds, it'll light an extra ball. So much code. It's the best of both worlds.
JP is good too, but TSPP set the standard for a non-repetitive deep home game. Sounds like the routed Simpson's you play is not a good example.
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Quoted from cjchand:Look in the Marketplace long enough and you’ll see someone trying to pass one off for $8k
I'll sell you a routed TSPP for 8k 
Quoted from Boatshoe:I'm shocked no one has said anything about flow vs stop and go yet.
I often see TSPP being viewed as a stop and go game but I don't think it's accurate. Since the modes are stacked, there's a point where almost all the shots can help move a mode forward. I end up not stopping the ball much on that game.
Both are incredible games. As a fan of objective based games I favor JP more as I feel that the modes themselves are more interesting. Simpsons seems to have far more of the "hit random switches" style modes versus modes that have the player working the entire playfield in unique ways. I feel that JP wins in that area.
Quoted from cjchand:Look in the Marketplace long enough and you’ll see someone trying to pass one off for $8k
that's if stern made it new, of course! 
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I've only ever played the TSPP at MOM's in College Park MD, but the sound on that always really bothered me. The callouts and music are great, but that game (along with the Twilight Zone) always seemed to have poor sound. I'm not sure exactly how to describe it, but it always sounded overly compressed like downloaded music in more compressed formats at lower bitrates sounded off of Napster back in the day.
It's a Whitestar game. That platform is from 1995 so the audio hardware leaves a bit to be desired.
Quoted from konghusker:Simpson’s is the game everyone regrets selling. Compared to the jp pro it’s a no brained getting Simpson’s. Now if you compare a premium jp it’s a toss up on theme preference imo
I don’t regret selling mine. Fun game not the best ever.
Quoted from V4Vendetta:JP pro looks so barren compared to TSPP. JP premium is better matchup.
Completely agree, but the Premium JP puts it in a different price category, JP pro and TSPP are running roughly the same price and this would be temporary.
After all of this on the thread I'm leaning JP Pro but we will see what's available in a month or 2 when I finish my current projects (High Speed boots again!).
The way I see it, if TSPP averages 5200 and is in good condition, JP PRO wins out at $4800 or less. JP premium wins at $6200 or less (not going to happen in 2020).
Hoping for a Stern grand slam TNMNT as the next release to drive down prices on JPs as people move on to the next big thing.
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