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Similarities with Pinball Market & the 2008 Housing Crash

By alexanr1

3 years ago


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    “For any part of your pinball collection have you borrowed money to make your purchase?”

    • Yes, I have a loan or using a HELOC to purchase 5 votes
      2%
    • Yes, I paid with a credit card and make payments to my card provider 13 votes
      6%
    • Yes, I have financed through a supplier. 1 vote
    • No, I always pay cash. 200 votes
      91%

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    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from alexanr1:

    At my age I have seen a lot. I remember black Monday in 1987, I remember the dot com bubble of 2000 and of course I remember the housing crash in 2008. What all of these had in common was a highly over valued market and a bunch of consumers whose greed convinced them to overpay believing it will go up in value. As the ole adage goes “pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered”.
    This leads me to the current pinball market. I am seeing brand new pinball machines being purchased for X and being resold for up to 2x more.
    I am seeing A nice pin that is worth $3k at best, if it is like new, being listed for $12k. [quoted image]
    - While this machine does not likely have the owner in large debt, they most likely have way more in it than it’s worth.
    My biggest concern is if people are taking out loans to buy very expensive pinball machines and when (not if) we have another recession, will there be a lot of people upside down on their pin investments and have to sell to a market that may not have the ability to absorb high priced pins? (In other words sell for far less than they have in them)
    I am interested in how much, if any, debt is tied to expensive pinball purchases. (See my poll)
    Thanks in advance for helping me better understand the debt tied to pinball ownership.

    Quit looking at the overpriced ebay pins. Those are not good examples, and those games have been listed and relisted for years. They aren't selling (at least the majority are not).

    Yes you can find a few decent actual auction pins on ebay, but for the most part, no.

    #19 3 years ago

    My suggestion. Don't buy pins.

    #26 3 years ago

    From what I've seen, many pinsiders (that post) are on the upper tier of the money. Others, with tons of games, bought many of them long before they went crazy in prices.

    I will say I did think Corona was going to mark the beginning of fire sales, but the opposite happened.

    I don't buy pins as investments, so I really don't care what prices do. I have limits in what I will spend, but...even that gets broken on occasion.

    On the plus side I've only taken out my 3rd mortgage and maxed out 17 credit cards to buy pinballs. Yeah, I did sell my grandmother to a sweat shop, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Hobbies don't pay for themselves.

    #54 3 years ago
    Quoted from alexanr1:

    If more a-holes like Levi spend more time helping others solve technical issues rather than being the thread nazi and bitching about someone’s thread is a repeat of one, we would have no broken pinball machines.
    Not sure what Pinside would do if we had a few less a-holes like this. Guess it would be a nicer place to visit.
    Thanks Wolverine tuner for adding to the a-hole list.

    Normally I might agree, but you've blown off any common sense answers anyone has given you that doesn't fit your 'view' of the pinball world. The reality is as he posted...people have been claiming the bubble pop for years. Will there be one? Sure. When? No one knows.

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