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Shuffle/Ball/Skee Club. Join Us!


3 years ago

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    #1 3 years ago

    Hello All

    Let me start by saying that, if by chance, this type of club already exists, I have no desire to duplicate it. If on the other hand, it does not, than we might just end up with one of the smallest clubs here on Pinside or maybe it will be larger than I anticipate

    Anyway all are welcome who have any type of bowler or skee ball machine. I would like to have a place where those of us who have one of these gems can go for information specific to these great games. It can be sometimes difficult to find info about this genre of coin op games. Many who are into pins have either no interest or no room for a larger machine. Hence it would be nice to have a goto place where tech/misc info can be freely and easily exchanged.

    A perfect example was when I was trying to put my Alley Cats into Free Play mode since there is no mention in the manual about this very handy setting. I was lucky enough to ask this question to a fellow Pinsider who works for an operator in town and she was able to advise how to do it. Be nice to have this kind of info flowing so we can all benefit

    Anyway, I think I have laid out the gist.

    Let's see where it goes. Your thoughts are welcome. Let's keep it positive and helpful


    #2 3 years ago

    There was/is a yahoo group dedicated to shuffle bowlers, but it only has 20 members and is pretty quiet:

    So I like the idea on one on pinside. Count me in.

    I have 1 game - 1954 Team Shuffle Alley by United. It is really cool because it has team scoring in addition to individual scores. So #1+#3+#5 vs. #2+#4+#6. Adds to the trash talking! Not many games had that feature, although it does add 6 more score reels to clean!

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    and it all fit in my car!

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    #3 3 years ago

    Hi Jeff

    Well then, welcome. Glad to have you!!

    I cannot believe that you fit that in your Suburu. Wow. I was prepared to go and get the Alley Cats that I now have but upon reflection, may not have been able to fit it in the Sienna I have. The seller offered to deliver and unpaid a few bucks extra for that.

    Love the bowling pin sign that you have by the machine. Can you advise where you got that. Would like to have one by my game.

    Glad you joined. Hopefully more will join us and we'll all be better off for it!


    #4 3 years ago

    How about if you have more than one

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    #5 3 years ago

    Here is my 1937 Wurlitzer Skee Ball and my 1950 United Skee Ball. Sadly the ball bowler has left. I miss that one a lot but it's hard to collect these things. They are huge.

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    #6 3 years ago

    I've thought about replacing my shuffleboard table with a skee-ball or big ball bowler.

    #7 3 years ago
    Quoted from gliebig:

    I've thought about replacing my shuffleboard table with a skee-ball or big ball bowler.

    I always though shuffleboard might be a waste of space when I started collecting coin-op. Lately I've been thinking it might be a lot of fun.

    #8 3 years ago

    I'd like to join the club! Anyone have a 10' Skee Ball for sale in the Mid-Atlantic?

    #9 3 years ago

    Welcome All! Great to see the level of interest! Alex, never knew there was a "Skee Alley" Neatto!! Great pictures!!


    #10 3 years ago

    Was very close to picking up a Skee Ball this past summer from a guy close to me. Reasonable price and the machine looked great. Ahhh, then there was the issue of getting it into my basement. Oh well.

    #11 3 years ago
    Quoted from GPS:

    Welcome All! Great to see the level of interest! Alex, never knew there was a "Skee Alley" Neatto!! Great pictures!!

    Yes, Skee Alley is the first version I believe of the Shuffle/Skee Ball crossover. United made a few other variations after. Here is one for sale in my hometown. I always wanted to buy something arcade related in my hometown, but I don't need another one. link

    #12 3 years ago

    And here is the sole entrance to my basement (on left, powder room on right) which already has seven pins in it!! These things do multiply!!
    was lucky enough to be able to take the door off on the powder room on the right to slide the shuffle bowler in there and then down the stairs on the left. one inch of clearance but that was all I needed.

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    #13 3 years ago

    Thanks for posting Alex. Neat. Maybe as others join us here there maybe another who decuides to scoop it up. Again, had no idea these variety even existed.


    #14 3 years ago

    Pinbackpacker. Thank you and you are most welcome!!
    I hope you find your game that you are seeking.

    #15 3 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    Yes, Skee Alley is the first version I believe of the Shuffle/Skee Ball crossover. United made a few other variations after. Here is one for sale in my hometown. I always wanted to buy something arcade related in my hometown, but I don't need another one. link

    I wish I would have seen this or known about it ... I would have bought it ... just called her and it's sold


    #16 3 years ago

    That is a bummer Dan. I'm surprised it moved that fast. My area isn't exactly a hotbed of EM collectors.

    #17 3 years ago

    I used to have this one. I've missed a lot of the machines I've sold over the years but if you ask me if there is one I really regret this would be it. 1946 Premier Barrel Roll. There is a rotating barrel you need to hit to score 800 points. Super cool! I sold it to Jon Torrence in California. He had a website documenting the restoration (appears to be down). In it he made it sound a little like he was resurrecting the Titanic. ...but it did turn out super cool.

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    #18 3 years ago

    These games are always fun to play and a big hit at parties.

    Here's a shot of my 13' Model H Skeeball and United Supreme shuffle alley.

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    #19 3 years ago
    Quoted from dhutton:

    Here's a shot of my United Supreme shuffle alley

    I think that's the one (and only shuffle alley there) they have at the Silverball Museum here in New Jersey. Lots of fun.

    #20 3 years ago

    Love em dhutton. The skee ball is what I had a great chance to pick up locally. Looked just like yours. Too big unfortunately without adding an external entrance to my basement or of course axing my dining room which although I rarely use it am not ready to go gets yet

    Thanks for the post

    #21 3 years ago

    Here's my 10' Model H, it's how I got into pins. Just got it a year ago and the first pin back in March. The collection grows.....

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    #22 3 years ago

    Thought I would offer a picture of my shuffle bowler. Hit it from a fella just south of Pittsburgh. Says he has more sonif anyone out there has a desire, and are geographically close let me know.

    Anyway got this about six weeks ago and wanted to make it look factory again. Luckily most of the artwork on the back/sides was in good shape and only had to be touched up. Took a part of the game to my local Ace store and they color matched the two colors I needed. Very close indeed. Highly recommend.

    Then I got some frisket and proceeded to hide all the artwork so I could respray the large black areas. Did that and then went back in and touched up the color areas that needed it

    The alley had the strip on it completely painted over. So I sanded the sides down to where I could see where the original stripe was and then repainted accordingly. Decent results.

    Alley has a few dents in it from living in a bar but nothing so bad it affects game play. Cleaned the alley and then out here coats of wax on it. Really deepened the color and made the richness of the faux wood come out.

    Then, had the coin door sandblasted and then I painted it after cleaning. Had a local sign painter do the Williams logo on the coin door.

    Replaced all the gi with led. The lights in the alley are also led. Kept the strike/spare indicators below each players score incandecesent. Replaced all the t molding and repainted the front legs as their artwork had also been completely painted over. Was able to sand them down to the point where I could still see the original artwork, traced it and then used the frisket again to give henlegs their proper artwork

    I will be sending the CPU board out to Clive at The Coinop Cauldron this coming week to have the sound repaired. Currently I have no sound although I have been told the sound is lame in these bowlers I still want the machine to operate as per spec

    So there you have my story. What is yours?


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    #23 3 years ago

    Forgot to add that I inshallednall new pins as the ones that came with it were skanky. Repainted the top where the pins flip up and also added new foam as a bumper. Also cleaned out the top side of the tray and removed all the linkages and cleaned all by hand then reassembled. Also dusted the Backbox using compressed air and a paintbrush. Hate dirty games!! Put all new caps in the power supply, new pot for sound level control in the coin box and that is it thus far. Needless to say I really enjoy the process

    #24 3 years ago

    Welcome vaevictis. Nice gameroom shot. Really love the skee ball. My dad and I used to play that at the shore years ago. Probably why I wanted one now. These things do multiply like rabbits

    #25 3 years ago

    Hi, I'm new to this group, but not to coin op. After reading the Bowler/Skee Ball
    topic, I thought I'd join. I've had/have many of the United Skee Ball puck machines
    (and Williams Kick-a-Poo), but never had one with light scoring. That's one nice looking
    vintage machine..
    Last year I traded a Comet (like in the ad) for a Playtime Ball Bowler, and I'd say it's
    worth all of the $500.00 To my knowledge, it's the only one of the Skee Ball Shuffles
    that scored up to 6X its hole value (5X most common)..
    Here's a couple pics of shuffle/skee ball. The United puck bowler is the first machine
    that got me started (early 90s) so have to keep that set up. The mechanical Skee-Ball
    is from a Family Amusement Park that I went to as a kid. When I restored it, Ski Ball
    (now out of business "ouch" 1909 - 2016) only carried the red cork..
    I have a few more machines set up that fits this topic. I'll see about taking some snaps.

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    #26 3 years ago

    Hey Mopar glad you're here. Did inunderstand correctly in that the Skee ball companybis now defunct? Wow. Hope that is not the case

    Please advise

    Great looking collection. Thanks for joining the group.


    #27 3 years ago

    Quick question fellas. As far as the material that you place on the shuffle alley etc to assist in the pucks gliding, is there a time when you essentially remove the old material and place new? Just wondering. Also it says on the can that I have to spray a coat of water based silicone on the playfield, let it dry and then use the dust stuff. Is that what the consensus is here. I have just used the dust without the silicone. Seems ok to me???

    Thanks guys,


    #28 3 years ago

    Every once in awhile I'll remove all the material from the lane and start fresh. I've also seen the instructions to spray with silicone but have not tried it.

    Funny story - a few years ago my wife, daughter and I were planning a trip to Hershey park. We knew they had skee balls in the arcade, so we were down in the basement every night for 2 weeks practicing, figuring we would win a boatload of tickets. When we got there we found they had the 10' lanes, and we were practicing on a 13 footer. We couldn't win jack that day.

    #29 3 years ago

    Thanks d for chiming in. Funny indeed about your trip to Hershey. Reminds me of this year when we visited the silverball in nj. My daughter just hubdbiutvin demo man and was able to get high score a couple of times and her name up on the board there. Needless to say she had some practice at home prior to the visit. Nice story d

    #30 3 years ago

    Yeah, on the Ski Ball Company. Just last month a Friend called and asked where to get
    the cork for Skee Ball. I gave him the number for the Philadelphia Toboggan Coin Company
    and told him to ask for Barry just to have him call back and say that they were gone, Barry
    and all. The cork and many other valuable parts went into the dumpster. That kinda stunned me..
    Last year, the last time I talked with Barry, he was then working only part time being a sales
    rep. Barry start working for Skee Ball in 1974. That was the last year of the mechanical Skee Balls.
    As a young man, he remembered the last of the mechanicals produced. Back (in the 90s) when I first
    called mentioning I was restoring a mechanical Skee Ball, they said Oh, you want to talk with Barry. I
    had many questions (mostly historical) I asked him, which he pleasantly answered. Very interesting
    conversation to me. Anyways, I'm sure they're alternatives, but buying Skee Ball stuff might not
    be as easy..
    On the Shuffle surfaces, I replaced formica on Ball Bowlers, but never had to on any Puck Bowlers..
    Before good size gameroom gatherings, I broom the old shuffle Wax (dust) to the front, and vacuum
    it off. Then spray Lemon Pledge on the surface and wipe down cleanly. That alone will make the surface
    pretty slick. Then I add the Shuffle Wax to only the front 3 or 4 feet of the formica. As you play, the wax
    will automatically move to the rear near the pins..
    Here's a couple more pics I had loaded that I think go with this thread. The MBA is 28 ft. During gatherings,
    they both get played more than not. I still have a few shuffles to take pics of that surely will fit here.. (T)

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    #31 3 years ago

    Are there just 2 lengths of skee ball lanes? How much room in a game room do you comfortably need to put one? I'd like to add one, but not sure about space required.

    Also, what is the different fun level in the 10 ft vs the 13 ft? When I played out somewhere, I never considered how long it was. So now, I'm not sure what I'd want if space weren't an issue...which it likely is.

    #32 3 years ago

    Sad to learn that the skee ball company is now gone. Damn!! Well I guess if you have one great for you!! I am going to talk to Steve at PBR this week and see if I can get some more info from him. Sounds like this might be up his alley as far as reproducing parts that are wear items for these iconic games. I know that the jersey shore has many skee ball games in the boardwalk Arcades. Seems like there would be enough of a demand for parts that would make it profitable for a secondary company to make them avail much like Steve did for Gottlieb parts. Absolutely did not see this coming!!

    #33 3 years ago

    In February the New York Times reported that Skee-Ball had been sold to Bay Tek Games in Wisconsin.
    Not sure if they will continue to manufacture the current lineup or will just re-brand their own stuff with the Skee-Ball name.

    #34 3 years ago
    Quoted from bkfiv:

    Also, what is the different fun level in the 10 ft vs the 13 ft? When I played out somewhere, I never considered how long it was. So now, I'm not sure what I'd want if space weren't an issue...which it likely is.

    I'd be curious to hear some opinions on this too. I unfortunately have no room for even a 10ft skee ball machine in my current home unless i got rid of my pool table (which isn't happening), but I'm already planning to get one in the next place. The wife has even given the thumbs-up, which never happens for pinball machines. Till then, I'll just be living vicariously through all of you

    Oh, also kind of but not really related: any of you ever own a whack-a-mole (or similar)? Along with skee ball, thats one of the other new things i really want when i upgrade to a place with space for an actual game room.

    #35 3 years ago

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    #36 3 years ago

    Thanks forbthebupdatebon the skee ball situation d. Hope they will continue. It is just a real shame if that dies out. Nice pics nephasth. Love the collage that makes up the skee ball picture. Nice!!!

    #37 3 years ago

    No whack a mole nman. Have not heard of any others with that game but it certainly is one that gets the aggressions out for sure!!!

    #38 3 years ago

    Well I took Mopar's advise and used some Pledge on my shuffle alley. Absolutely beautifully shiny. Thank you Mopar. I thought the three coats of was that I applied with my mechanical buffer would have been hard to beat but the Pledge wins big time. Thank you. A shiny alley is critical to me. Looks mean a lot.

    I looked into BayTek a bit. As previosuly reported by dhutton, they indeed have been sold to Bay Tek in Pulaski, WI I looked briefly at their site and although there is a parts listing I don't see anything for the older games like the model H. Going to call Steve at PBR tomorrow and ask a few questions for my own edification. If the red color rubber matting and other expendables are no longer available and do not expect to be available in the near future, that puts a real damper on these games from a standpoint of being able to get an older unit and rehab it as I have done on my Alley Cats.

    Keep you posted with what I learn from Steve.

    #39 3 years ago
    Quoted from GPS:

    I looked into BayTek a bit. As previosuly reported by dhutton, they indeed have been sold to Bay Tek in Pulaski, WI I looked briefly at their site and although there is a parts listing I don't see anything for the older games like the model H. Going to call Steve at PBR tomorrow and ask a few questions for my own edification. If the red color rubber matting and other expendables are no longer available and do not expect to be available in the near future, that puts a real damper on these games from a standpoint of being able to get an older unit and rehab it as I have done on my Alley Cats.
    Keep you posted with what I learn from Steve.

    Please do, I just ordered some composite skee balls last November from Barry, but was holding out on resurface/mat material. I've been able to track down some original wooden skee balls since then, but now really regretting not getting the material.

    #40 3 years ago

    Your welcome on the Pledge. Way back, I actually discovered it by using it to
    wipe off spray silicone that I didn't care for on the shuffle board. I use it on many
    things (not playfields) like plungers or anything that I would like to have slick..
    On Skee Ball, Last year while restoring another old time machine, Skee Ball did
    once again have the green cork, so that machine looks more as it should (to me anyways).
    I have to look back to see who it was, but last month shortly after learning about
    Skee Ball being bought out, I did a little digging and talked with someone that informed
    me that Skee Ball had all it's cork imported in, and this guy himself had some cork,
    so I'm sure there will still be a U.S. supplier, but Skee Ball was a one stop shop for
    those machines. Sad just knowing they've been in business for so long. Mine will
    always be set up..
    Here's other shuffles I have set up. The Drop-a-Ball has a different color pattern
    than another I saw in a different thread, but for sure original. Right from the old
    Vendor's storage. The World Series (I believe the following year "1960") is a step
    up from the Drop-a-Ball. It has light animation men running the bases. The Derby
    Roll is actually fun to play when playing against someone..
    I'll load up a couple more pics later. No Smart Phone. Shoot them from a Cannon,
    then load them in the Lab Top. I guess I should catch up with the times, but the
    flip flop package is free.. (T)

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    #41 3 years ago

    Love your machines mopar. It is very enjoyable to see all the different varieties of shuffles out there. Do love this hobby but unfortunately I am the type that I like fussing with the games to make them look and play like new or as good as I am capable. Then once rhatbhas occurred I seek a new candidate. Only problem is my basement is only so large. Would absolutely love a skee ball but there is no way I can get it into my basement. The Alley Cats fit with one inch to spare and that was completely taken apart

    Did talk to Steve about Skee Ball. He is not overly familiar with the machines though he did say that a good resource might be Dan arc the Silverball in Asbury Park NJ as he has a few machines and undoubtedly goes through parts. A phone call you Bay Tel may also yield some info. Maybe there is "that guy " that has a slew of parts in his basement. I'm afraid though with what Steve told me that it could get quite difficult in the near future for parts. Don't want to go into the whole conversation but suffice to say he has no interest in getting involved.

    This is, in my opinion, such an iconic piece of Americana. Just sad to see this game fall into obscurity


    #42 3 years ago

    Hey I'm in the club. Recently snagged a United/Williams Topaz that someone was throwing away. The cord was cut but I was able to get it working after replacing that and moving the board interconnection a bit. Added Xpin displays.

    I want to restore this to original colors as someone appears to have painted it black but so far have not had any luck finding good pictures of one to model the artwork off of.

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    #43 3 years ago

    Ill join in. Don't have any pictures on me right now but will add them this weekend. Have 4 Bowlers. One Chicago Coin Mardigras big ball bowler, and 3 United Puck bowlers. The pucks are Skippy, 5-way and a French Quarter.

    The 5 way and french quarter need a bit of work but the other 2 are up and running. Only have room for one bowler in the house and could not stand to store Skippy in the cold barn all winter so its located at a friends house.

    #44 3 years ago

    Say G, I have pretty good news. Sunday night I did some searching and found a promising
    e-mail address and shot them a couple of lines. Yesterday there was a return e-mail from
    Penn@SkeeBall with a phone number. I called and talked with Ryan and he said that this is the
    company that bought Skee Ball and many things were thrown out, but anything Skee Ball
    related were never tossed. They have the cork (green, black, and grey) the pockets, the
    pocket buttons, balls, and I guess everything else. Sounds like not much changed but
    management. Some of the information I first received was incorrect. For whom has interest,
    the number is (920)822-3951 That phone call made me feel much better. Skee Ball is Still alive!
    Here's a couple more machines I have set up. The 5th Inning is probably the most unique
    of the Skee Ball Shuffles, but Kick-a-Poo, (which is the less attractive of them all) I'd say is
    the better player. I have one set up elsewhere. I'll see about taking a pic..
    The Bally "All the Way" is if not my rarest machine, certainly my rarest Shuffle. How Bally
    came up with the rule set on this is something. I'll see about someone making a
    video while I'm playing and explaining it. It would take a while to explain written out..
    Yeah, some of these machines are tough to get in homes. When I built my house, I put
    in a 6' double walkout door knowing I wanted a Pool Table, Pin Pong Table, and Shuffleboard.
    Within' a couple years, no room for the ping pong, then a few years after that (after the house
    was paid off), I had to add on.

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    #45 3 years ago

    Those are some really cool looking machines, Mopar. Nice collection.

    #46 3 years ago

    Hey Mopar

    Very nice. I second d's comments. Glad that the skee ball information has turned out to be more positive than originally thought. Could not imagine in today's world throwing stuff like that out. They had to know that there was value to it. Glad that turned out to be the case. So seems like Bay Tek will still be th goto place for parts. Good to learn.

    Never had any notion that there were so many different types of shuffle alleys. This really is a niche in a niche hobby.

    Pugsley. Welcome. Thanks for joining us. Be sure and post some pictures of your machines and any story that might be enjoyed. Thanks again for chiming in

    Hey NJ. I have a suggestion. On my machine the side rails and legs were painted over. What I found though is as I was sanding the old paint off the old artwork was there under the paint. I got some tracing paper at the craft store and traced the image as this way I could reproduce it. Turned out pretty good. Had some bleed around the edges but was able to touch that up so that it is not detectable. Just a suggestion for you
    That worked out well for me

    Love the group and the stories.


    #47 3 years ago

    Hey NJ

    You may have already seen this but I found it on the web. It at a minimum gives an idea what the machine should look like

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    #48 3 years ago

    The colors appear to match closely the Backglass so as long as you have that you could take the Backglass to an ace hardware store and have them mix some paint for you so that you could at least start to get it closer to the way it should look. This was big for me. I had to have the machine look good and bringing it back as well as I could was very paramount to me. I would get a pint of gloss paint in the appropriate colors. I brought in the bottom of my game backside and had then scan the yellow and blue and it worked out very well. I then used frisket to mask the areas I did not want to paint black. Re-sprayed the black and went in with magnifying goggles on and touched up the artwork. Really can Roy pretty good. I know you don't have any artwork but if you sand a small area lightly you might find the artwork is hiding as I did under some of the paint

    #49 3 years ago

    By the way, don't know what the condition is of the stainless piece where the game cards are held at thebplayer position but if that is not in great shape, and they are usually rusted/dinged, Steve at the pinball resource has new versions that he has made. Makes the game look awesome. I might also suggest getting a manual for the game from Steve if you don't already have one. Great reference to have as you bring her back to her former glory

    #50 3 years ago

    Just received the nos pin motor that I found for my Alley Cats today. Really glad that I have this as he motor that is in my machine cannot be rebuilt according to steve at PBR. Hence if that one component does I'm done. That's why I wanted another a pin reset motor. Most of the other parts could be sourced but motors can be hard to find. Highly suggest doing the same for insurance purposes. Makes me feel a whole lot better knowing that all the work I put into this thing will not go down the drain in the event the pin reset motor takes a fart on me

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