Gosh I'd drive that far too. I have never been near one of those, It would be the game to play in my basement. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks guys!

I actually made the drive twice! The first time was in December to take a look at the game in person and put a deposit down on it. The seller was very nice to allow me to do that and hold it for me while I put together the remainder of the funds. Monday was the pick up and I was blessed with a sunny day in the upper 40's (unusual weather for February in these parts).

With another pitch and bat making it's way into the state of Wisconsin I think it is time to see if anyone is interested in a traveling baseball league. How about it guys, it seems that we have the games, do we have the interest?

In between innings we can bowl & shoot!

but Star Slugger for me is the better player of them all..

Surely a machine to be proud of..

Quoted from bek1966:time to see if anyone is interested in a traveling baseball league. How about it guys, it seems that we have the games, do we have the interest?

In between innings we can bowl & shoot!

Picture of bar please.

Wow a wonderful pick up-no doubt well worth every hour & every mile you travelled.

Quoted from bek1966:

Well alright it looks like we have a league forming:)

Quoted from bek1966:I had a great day on Monday.

That game is beautiful. Looks like it just cleared your soffit!

Quoted from bek1966:I'm going to have to find a beer sign and a Muskie to hang on the wall now

"Northwoods tavern" is my gameroom motif.

Quoted from bek1966:"Northwoods tavern" is my state of mind!

Yeah take a look at Alex's game room pics :-/=. I might have to rip out my 'disco' and start over:)

Quoted from bek1966:

I actually made the drive twice! The first time was in December to take a look at the game in person and put a deposit down on it. The seller was very nice to allow me to do that and hold it for me while I put together the remainder of the funds. Monday was the pick up and I was blessed with a sunny day in the upper 40's (unusual weather for February in these parts).

With another pitch and bat making it's way into the state of Wisconsin I think it is time to see if anyone is interested in a traveling baseball league. How about it guys, it seems that we have the games, do we have the interest?

In between innings we can bowl & shoot!

Congratulations on acquiring a Star Slugger in great condition! United Manufacturing understood just how much us future collectors would covet this game. They even designed the cabinet like a coffin so that our wives could bury us in it. . .happy to be the running men of the afterlife, rounding the diamond for eternity in that EM arcade in the sky they call heaven.

Pretty good return for the operator, as long as the big hits were limited

Quoted from presqueisle:7 brands on the reels. Chesterfield, Old Gold, Twenty Grand, Kool, Wings, Camel and Lucky Strike. Since the packs of cigs advertised on the machine were at 15 cents, I decided to try the odds. 200 try's, 2 wins!

The odds of 3 of a kind, if totally random, would be 1 in 49. I wonder if there is a design to cut the odds in half, or if you just had some bad luck?

Would the value tokens be inserted randomly and evenly? That is an obvious and easy way for an operator to reduce payout costs.

If there was even distribution of token values, the expected value of a win would be a 4.2 ([10+5+3+2+1] / 5), or 63 cents.

If there is no... what's the word the bingo machines use to change odds? proportioning?

63 / 49 gives an expected result value of 1.28 cents per penny played, so chances are the distribution of the tokens is such that an expected win value would be closer to 1.5, or 22.5 cents. (i.e. mostly 1 tokens, a few 2, and just a single of 3, 5, 10, if included at all)

That would reduce the expected return to under half a cent, so lots of room for operator profit.

Cool item!

Quoted from cait001:The odds of 3 of a kind, if totally random, would be 1 in 49. I wonder if there is a design to cut the odds in half, or if you just had some bad luck?

Would the value tokens be inserted randomly and evenly? That is an obvious and easy way for an operator to reduce payout costs.

If there was even distribution of token values, the expected value of a win would be a 4.2 ([10+5+3+2+1] / 5), or 63 cents.

If there is no... what's the word the bingo machines use to change odds? proportioning?

63 / 49 gives an expected result value of 1.28 cents per penny played, so chances are the distribution of the tokens is such that an expected win value would be closer to 1.5, or 22.5 cents. (i.e. mostly 1 tokens, a few 2, and just a single of 3, 5, 10, if included at all)

That would reduce the expected return to under half a cent, so lots of room for operator profit.

Cool item!

I think you miscalculated the odds. 1 in 49 would be correct only if one wheel had only 1 type of cigarette. I believe true odds would be 1 in 342 because it would be 7 x 7 x 7 for 342 possible combinations. Yes, no?

Quoted from cait001:The odds of 3 of a kind, if totally random, would be 1 in 49. I wonder if there is a design to cut the odds in half, or if you just had some bad luck?

Would the value tokens be inserted randomly and evenly? That is an obvious and easy way for an operator to reduce payout costs.

If there was even distribution of token values, the expected value of a win would be a 4.2 ([10+5+3+2+1] / 5), or 63 cents.

If there is no... what's the word the bingo machines use to change odds? proportioning?

63 / 49 gives an expected result value of 1.28 cents per penny played, so chances are the distribution of the tokens is such that an expected win value would be closer to 1.5, or 22.5 cents. (i.e. mostly 1 tokens, a few 2, and just a single of 3, 5, 10, if included at all)

That would reduce the expected return to under half a cent, so lots of room for operator profit.

Cool item!

Thanks! You know, if I ever go to Vegas I might invite you along:)

Purely mechanical randomness, so I guess I was 'unlucky'. The person with the keys sets the rules with these, so if they wanted to fill the token chute with all 1 and 2 pack winners they could. Although folks may catch on after winning, and hearing about other winners. Then the proprietor would be known as a cheapskate! And everyone would say, "That guy could put coal down his shorts and end up with diamonds..etc". Then you'd have to put in a 'big win' token once in awhile just so you could say, "hey, see?, it's all random, try it again, they're in there". I assume this is how it all went down.

Quoted from vdojaq:I think you miscalculated the odds. 1 in 49 would be correct only if one wheel had only 1 type of cigarette. I believe true odds would be 1 in 342 because it would be 7 x 7 x 7? Yes, no?

If one reel had only one type, then the odds would be pretty big then to match three reels together.

edit: Just ONE reel having one brand. I see what you mean now.

Quoted from presqueisle:If one reel had only one type, then the odds would be pretty big then to match three reels together.

Not at all. Lets look at a daily pick 3 lottery. 000 through 999, or 1 in 1000 odds, Calculated as 10 x 10 x 10 = 1000 . Make any one digit a constant, the odds drop drastically to 1 in 100. Lets say you make the middle #5 all the time, it is calculated as 10 x 1 x 10 = 100

Now, take the cig slot machine. Make one reel only camel cigs, that is a constant, makes the calculation 1 x 7 x 7 or 1 in 49.

So yeah, the real odds on that cig machine is 1 in 342.

Quoted from vdojaq:I think you miscalculated the odds. 1 in 49 would be correct only if one wheel had only 1 type of cigarette. I believe true odds would be 1 in 342 because it would be 7 x 7 x 7 for 342 possible combinations. Yes, no?

That would be the odds of winning a specific brand. The only consideration is if wheels 2 and 3 match wheel 1, which can be any brand.

Quoted from ramegoom:

They adapted that old trick for new digital slot machines to maximize how SO CLOSE every spin result looks.

Quoted from cait001:That would be the odds of winning a specific brand. The only consideration is if wheels 2 and 3 match wheel 1, which can be any brand.

If that's for a specific brand, and there are 7 brands.. 342 div by 7= 49 ish ??

Sorry to fill this up with math..but I do find it interesting, even though I'm bad at math myself.

Quoted from presqueisle:If that's for a specific brand, and there are 7 brands.. 342 div by 7= 49 ish ??

Yes, 1 in 343 (7^3) would be the odds for each specific brand.

7 brands, so total odds of just a win is 7 / 343, which reduces to 1 / 49.

Quoted from cait001:Yes, 1 in 343 (7^3) would be the odds for each specific brand.

7 brands, so total odds of just a win is 7 / 343, which reduces to 1 / 49.

You cannot reduce odds that way.

Again, lets use lottery as an example. If you to play daily just the triples, 000, 111, 222, through 999 that's 10 chances in 1000. BUT it does not drop your odds from 10/1000 to 1/100 because there are still 990 numbers you would not win with. It makes your odds 10 in 1000 or 1 in 990.

Same with the cig slot machine there are only 7 winning combinations out of 343, so no, your odds are not 1 in 49 its 7 in 343 or 1 in 336. .

Quoted from vdojaq:You cannot reduce odds that way.

Again, lets use lottery as an example. If you to play daily just the triples, 000, 111, 222, through 999 that's 10 chances in 1000. BUT it does not drop your odds from 10/1000 to 1/100 because there are still 990 numbers you would not win with. It makes your odds 10 in 1000 or 1 in 990.

Same with the cig slot machine there are only 7 winning combinations out of 343, so no, your odds are not 1 in 49 its 7 in 343 or 1 in 336. .

10 / 1000 = 0.01

1 / 100 = 0.01

7 / 343 = 0.0204081632653061

1 / 49 = 0.0204081632653061

Those are the odds of having (a minimum of) one win in each scenario.

Take the inverse of your example:

There are 990 losers in 1000 combinations. Odds of a single draw being a loser? 990/1000 = 99.0%

Then there are 99 losers in 100 combinations. Odds of a single draw being a loser? 99/100 = 99.0%

Quoted from Gundam_Pilot_:I figure in the heated discussion of odds, I would share this

Sorry, no more math for me.

And what a super cool machine. Any chance you have a gameplay video of it?

Quoted from Gundam_Pilot_:I figure in the heated discussion of odds, I would share this

Nice! Not so easy of a machine to get a hold of..

Does yours have a Reo-Stat to weaken/strengthen the Golfer?

Mine has a spot for one, but with no loose wires, it appears one

was never installed..

I plan on putting one in. A weaker swing should give better scores.

Presently the ball elevates higher than it should going up the ramps

thus not hitting the targets squarely..

Quoted from Mopar:Nice! Not so easy of a machine to get a hold of..

Does yours have a Reo-Stat to weaken/strengthen the Golfer?

Mine has a spot for one, but with no loose wires, it appears one

was never installed..

I plan on putting one in. A weaker swing should give better scores.

Presently the ball elevates higher than it should going up the ramps

thus not hitting the targets squarely..

I am not sure if it has the reostat. I will have to check that out. It is a fully operational game.

Quoted from cait001:Sorry, no more math for me.

And what a super cool machine. Any chance you have a gameplay video of it?

There is a few gameplay videos of this game online.

Quoted from cait001:10 / 1000 = 0.01

1 / 100 = 0.01

7 / 343 = 0.0204081632653061

1 / 49 = 0.0204081632653061

Those are the odds of having (a minimum of) one win in each scenario.

Take the inverse of your example:

There are 990 losers in 1000 combinations. Odds of a single draw being a loser? 990/1000 = 99.0%

Then there are 99 losers in 100 combinations. Odds of a single draw being a loser? 99/100 = 99.0%

Actually, you are correct. I was incorrectly using percentages vs odds.

Quoted from pacmanretro:If johnny trades his lucky quarter to Jane for two nickels, one dime, and five pennies (assuming she traded fairly this time)...what ratio of Johnnys coins will wind up in this stamp machine vs spent on attempting to win free packs of his favorite cigarettes?

Since the cig machine takes cents only, I'll say 5 goes into there, and then probably zero coins into the stamp machine:)

Cool little machine. The 'sanitary' part threw me off, and I had to look real close to see what it was selling.

Quoted from presqueisle:Since the cig machine takes cents only, I'll say 5 goes into there, and then probably zero coins into the stamp machine:)

Cool little machine. The 'sanitary' part threw me off, and I had to look real close to see what it was selling.

Ahh! But, I asked for a ratio!! Lol.

Ya, when I first saw "sanitary" I was a little thrown too. Once I was past that, I still laughed at it. I guuueessss someone tearing apart stamps and placing in little folded pieces of carboard is cleaner for me to lick.?

Interesting to me is that there are 3 or 4 packs of stamps still in it and they each have only 4 pieces of 1 cent stamps. I kind of wondered if they were just missing some, or if the cafe this sat at was making money,(charging a nickle for 4c worth of stamps). It would make sense that they would profit from it, I just never used stamp vendors other than postal ones I guess. It didn't have any left in dime slot. I'm guessing 3 pieces of 3 cent stamps maybe as machine patent is from 1947/48 and I believe I previously saw that postage was 3 cents at the time....

I also enjoyed the little piece of paper sitting in the bottom on the machine's original shipping method.

1934 Groetchen 21 Vendor / trade stimulator.

A Black Jack 5 card slot that takes cents thru quarters. First two cards given, then you need to try your luck flipping open up to 3 more windows. Payouts for 19,20,21 and Black Jack on the 'last coin played' value, shown in a little side window. I believe a quarter was about $4.50 ish, and a payout of 20 for a Black Jack would pay close to $90, in today's money. But even if you lost you'd still receive one piece of gum, since it was really just a fun gumball machine. wink wink

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Quoted from PinballAir:Hey Mark, Is that vertical like a rifle game ?

The balls rest in the bottom of the cabinet and are launched up when the puck hits the switches. They're reflected in a 45 degree mirror though so to the player it looks like they're launching horizontally right at you.

Quoted from MarkG:they're launching horizontally right at you

so cool.

Where did you find that one?

Quoted from PinballAir:so cool.

Where did you find that one?

I got it from a friend in MA ages ago. I don't know where he got it, but an operator from Montreal stamped his name all over the inside at some point.

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