ic3.gov or stfu

You guys know that if Kevin has hired counsel, he has certainly been advised to keep his mouth shut until all the nonsense has been figured out.

....All of Kevin's Nonsense. Yes.

If that's the case, he should at least communicate that information.

Agree!!! Minimally a post or email to buyers stating that.

I'm not taking Kevin's side, but what's the point of a thread like this? If he hasn't said anything by now, it's not like this thread is suddenly going to make him change his mind. I agree with vid. He's probably being silent on the advice of his attorney.

Where is he getting money for an attorney?

People are pissed. They're out thousands. They don't know what to do. Sometimes you just have to scream.

And I totally get that. People need to vent. That's why the mods have given people much more latitude than normal when it comes to voicing their dissatisfaction with the situation. I just don't want people to have unreasonable expectations. The reality is that no matter how loud you yell, it's unlikely to have any effect on Kevin's silence.

You don't want people to have unreasonable expectations or have others say STFU. Right?

He can't do that.

Experts of Dangerous preorders.

I think that the venting threads are fine. People have a right to be pissed off and frustrated. They were majorly let down and outright lied to for a long, long time.

I feel for Kevin in some part too, because he obviously felt like he could eventually get things worked out, but at some point he got too deep and was too weak willed to own up to the mess he created and it got worse. I think he had good intentions up until the end, but that doesn't excuse his responsibility to make amends and pay restitution.

F him, this is his mistake and his own fault. He should sell everything he owns until he pays people back every cent. That's what they deserve

People need a forum to vent. Friends, this is it.

Then perhaps he should not have said to expect any kind of update.

Perhaps you shouldn't have believed him...I mean by now anyway.

I didn't believe him, just pointing out the fact that he threw that out there. If he has lawyers involved he should know that before leaving his paying customers (and the general public) hanging.

Did anyone notice that Kevin has deleted all his posts from the Predator threads. Thank goodness some of the threads were locked. Those are still there.

Well turns out the pre-order Predator people are the true Experts of Dangerous.

I got uncomfortable with Hobbit and backed out even with Jacks "heft" in the industry, I am amazed so many stayed in so long backing this kid with a homemade looking game.

I don't see how anyone can seriously think they are getting a penny back at this point.

Sorry.

That sneaky little twerp.

Kevin Sr. also owes money to a couple of my friends, can they get in on this thread too? They've been looking for him to pay-up since 2001 when he disappeared.

Probably a sleazy lawyer told him to try to erase all evidence of his online promises and communication. It's impossible to do. There are quoted messages, cached versions of the site, and all sorts of ways to recover what he's trying to hide. He's trying to make the story disappear, but this will only make it louder.

I'm sure Robin has backups.

Wow, wtf, mods should ban his account to keep him from trying to erase history. Does he really think that's going to fix anything?

Can you point me towards one of these? I just locked the Mission Complete thread just in case.

Edit: False

I wouldn't go that far. Lets just say Kevin is just another piece of the puzzle that makes Pre-ordering pinball machines INSANE !

But he was last seen logged here Dec 3, 2014. ??

I can't find anything at all showing that he's recently been logged in and/or deleted anything. I did just lock all the threads he himself started just in case, but I'm not finding anything current.

I checked the old threads but don't see evidence of anything erased. Just add ?tu=skitbpinball to the thread and it will show you all his posts.

Probably not the worst idea in the world to lock them now though.

Unfortunately, his lawyers fees will likely devour the lion's share (if not all) of any remaining money that could have been refunded to pre-order clients.

That isn't going to help him. Web servers are backed up like any other server is.

People on Pinside want instant responses, of course.

But in the real world, a criminal federal court case can easily take years.

Then, when that's over, Kevin will have to file for bankruptcy. That will take many months too.

Everyone will get a legal form to fill out for their claim, and the courts will divide it up.

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No one should be sitting by the phone for a call from Kevin; "Hey buddy, I've sent your refund today!"

The threads appear intact. This one is the best:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo

This is my favorite Q & A:

Vid1900
“Amazing work Kevin!
How much did the Predator license cost for 200 games?
Is Arnold's likeness included in the License, or does he require some kind of separate license?
How much oversight was there with the artwork from the film/game company?”

SkitB Pinball (Kevin)
“The licensing and likeness costs and all that aren't really something we're allowed to talk much about, unfortunately. If you're wondering if certain characters will appear in the game / artwork, I can tell you that all of the notable characters are present in both.
I'm not exactly clear what you mean with the term "oversight." We haven't run into any qualms with anyone about how the characters are being portrayed or anything, if that's what you mean. I know there was a big hiccup with the Demolition Man over something like that with Wesley Snipes and they had to go through multiple backglass designs because of it, but we haven't had any issues with anything like that, so we're happy.”

Vid1900 hit the nail on the head in the first page of the first thread...ugh!

More likely his attorney had a heart attack and told him to delete everything.

The harder he can make Fox's job, the better.

Come on people kevin needs to sell more pre-orders of experts of danger , because his lawyer needs more retainer money for the predator case , so any takers ???

Probably a few still around here.

So, did he try to erase everything, or not??

A fool and his money...

There was one thread many months ago that said people cannot get the money back; they used it for development. Folks the money is long gone....KABOOM!!!....

Seeing another one of these threads is so disheartening. I hope everything works out for you guys and soon.

IMO, all the Predator customers should file a class action against Kevin/SkitB. He should be sued for millions.

Hope this helps: http://www.jacobymeyers.com/questions-about-class-action-l.html

I pulled an IP search and a geolocator search on those IPs, and can't find where he's been on Pinside logged under his account since 12/3/14. And I can't find any blank posts, which is the only way that people can "delete" anything they said in the past. Nobody can fully delete a post except mods and Robin... and I sure as heck haven't been deleting anything for him.

Yep, he'll get them millions right out to everyone.

I'm sorry everyone. I stand corrected. It just seemed that way to me. I'm soooooo relieved that he can't delete his posts.
Carry on.

Thanks!

If he has counsel, the advice will be to pay every cent back when he gets hit with the class action.

Nobody knows if Fox will be suing for damages. If I had to guess, they will. If Fox gets to him first, there won't be anything left for everyone he defrauded.

Pinball never ceases to amaze me.

Pre-order MMr pinball from Wayne in AUS.=full fail

Pre-order Predator=full fail

Pre-order Big Leb=nearly full fail, may recover

JJ pinball=partial fail, lawsuits looming, bankruptcy?

MMr=looks ok so far

Man, 2015 isn't looking good for pinball pre-orders.

Looking back over the last 15 years, in some ways the only guy that appears to have done it mostly legit and completed their goal up to this point is Gene C... sad really.

All the ultra leery "better watch your ass about giving money out for stuff before it's done" folks may be on to something.