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Quoted from chad:Interesting find! seems like the "fire" lanes are more angled from left to right. I thought those were more in line flat and level if you will.
I think there the same here's a side by side comparison of an original and this cool prototype.
Quoted from vec-tor:The coin-op industry had to keep parts available for their games.
In California, CA Robinson had to keep parts available for five years.
I had to order ramps for Jokers and I placed an order after three years
almost four years after the game was released. I had to wait six months
but the parts finally came in. I have ordered parts for games five years after production
and got the dreaded NLA. My friend ordered parts to turkey shoot and could not get
any because the game never really went into production. Ordering parts for Gameplan
was always a touch and go situation. Sometimes you were lucky and sometimes you were
not lucky.
Yea I agree it was from a later run of pfs, it's date stamped May 10 '82 for the silk screening and later August 10 (possibly '85?) for the clear coat. Firepower was produced in Feb of 1980 and they made 17,410 units so they were making them for several years after that. If it were silk screened with blue hue (dots) instead of the red hue it has I would agree with you. But man its obviously way different from the production run of pfs. It's from the Williams factory and being a color variant never put into production and being clear coated in my eyes makes a clear prototype. Everyone's telling me to clear it and put into a game I just cant touch it its too cool! 
Quoted from vec-tor:And there you go... two years after the game was in production.
Sadly they just did not care about the color quality/consistency.
I did a playfield swap with a FirePower 2nd/rejected nos playfield. The colors
were silkscreened out of sequence... it ended up having a lot of olive green
color stuff everywhere. The game just looked wonky but clean.
Remember, back in the day they did not waste stuff....the manufacturers just
sold rejected 2nds as NOS.
I disagree that's a BIG color difference from blue to red its not a misalignment or similar shade of blue and its only the shading of the deathstar every other color is the same as the production pf. They never clear coated pfs for production that early on from Williams. It still has the star rollover inserts in it just for clearing, the 2nd clear coat date stamp, faceted inserts and not a single dimple...none of which came with any of the 17K FP machines produced. In fact this is well documented by CPR because they took a vote here on pinside to put faceted inserts in their run of FP pfs as seen on a prototype pf. I'm pretty sure this was a prototype for them to judge how other shading on the deathstar would appear and never intended for sale.
Quoted from vec-tor:From what I could see from your photograph, it looks like it is missing another screen.
There seems to be more dark stuff on the original playfield; on the left side of the planet.
As compared to the right playfield. I am going to assume they forgot a screen. Again, the
line that controlled parts availability did not have a good quality management. They were just
making stuff to meet the demand. The playfield is a neat find. Congratulations.
Looks good to me thanks again.
Quoted from vec-tor:gmkalos
Thanks for posting a closeup of the center playfield.
Scroll up I posted a lot of pictures.
They must have intentionally did it, I just finished clearing a CPR FP pf and doing a pf swap, every other shade of blue and red were silked perfectly they only changed the shading in the deathstar from blue to red that was intentional man.
And that still doesn't explain the faceted inserts, clear coat, clear coat date stamp, star rollover inserts left in and not being drilled or dimpled.
Ok 17K Fire Power pins were made without faceted inserts and with out this magenta silkscreened shadowing over the death star. They must have ran this playfield threw out the years many of times to fill a 17K quota, so this must have been either the very last run and messed up by the silk screener or intentional.
Your 2nd NOS theory would explain the May 02, 1982 later date stamp but why clear coat a bunch of NOS pfs that were not dimpled or drilled for stock they did'nt intend to use and clear coat them 3 years after silk screening them in 1985? And what about the faceted inserts shown on the known prototype why use them again after not using them for 17,410 playfields, or at least in the middle of their production spontaneously in 1982?
I mean I know there's some truth to what your saying I worked as a professional mechanic for Cherner Lincoln-Mercury for a long time and we had a Delorean fender NOS leftover from that 5 year manufacture rule in our parts room.
The only thing I can come up with is that this pf was a reject from the silk screener done in May 02, 1982 sat around a while until they needed to meet that 5 year manufacture rule then sent out and on August 10, 1985 was cleared for storage? But why were the faceted inserts used, and silk screened over in 1982? Doesn't make sense to me? And why send it out at the last minute to be cleared for storage when there over that 5 year rule Feb, 1980 they went into production???
Well that clears that up then, now I'm almost certain you're right thank you very much for your time Vec-tor man. You really know your stuff!!! I just assumed that was the CPR debate as I was told I should have looked more carefully on pinside and found that CPR FP thread or on IPDB at the prototype your totally right they are flat and the FP prototype has like a yellow moon on the right instead of green! Well that was the one thing I was so hung up on, now everything else makes sense, to be honest now I like it even more being a parts guy lol. I wonder how many FP out there have sunburst inserts vs Flat because when I googled it almost all the ones I saw pics of had flat inserts. In fact now I'm willing to bet there's none with sunburst inserts unless someone installed one from this exact run with magenta silkscreening in 1982, that must have been their final run of these then. It's mind-boggling to believe they could produce 17,410 pins in just 2 years.
1990 Bally NOS Dr. Dude "Big Shot" figure and stamped "Big Shot" © Midway on his back MIB (Mint In Bag)!
Purchased from an operator in the biz for 45 years named "The Round Man" lol. After begging him to search for it he finally found it and it was mib. I asked him where he got it from and he said this..."I've owned probably 7 or 8 Dudes and Zones. I can't remember how i came up with that guy. I might have bought it from Rowe International in Memphis TN back when Dudes and Zones were new."
I read the 2nd Bar code it says Q1. I have another loose NOS figure and it is a dead match. Anybody have any examples of Bally NOS labels from around this same time frame that are similar. As far as I can tell Big Shot was only reproduced 2 times. First from PSPA and then a 3D printed copy can be obtained from Germany. I thought BAA had reproduced possibly but they confirmed they did not.
Added over 7 years ago: He is stamped exactly on his back...
"BIG SHOT"
© & TM 1990
MIDWAY MFG, CO.
They have been varnishing pfs since the 60's from the factory and clearing pfs since the mid 80's like Diamontplate to protect the artwork. I believe they were doing it so that operators didn't have to wax their pfs on location as frequently. When an experienced painter like myself (former automotive painter), knows his product (SM2K perfect blend of acrylic and resins), knows how to prep a pf, knows how to apply it (I use a temperature controlled spray booth) the results are breathtaking and like playing on a sheet of glass along with protecting the pf art for lifetimes to come!
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:Read what I said, then provide an opinion.
I stated NOS CLEARCOATED playfields, not lacquered or tuffcoated for purposes of added coatings.
Nor did I state, if a playfield had imperfections, or stored improperly that this did not provide value.
Nearly everything was related to older games that
#1 reason games are damage are lack of proper maintenance and neglect.
Too many games have passed through my hands to change my opinion at this point in my life.
I 2nd that I really don't want to get into this here I like looking at all the cool stuff!
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Quoted from Pinthetic:Here's something I completely forgot about and it's hanging in front of me everyday. The Bally emblem from my old service truck from the late 80's. I took it off the passenger door when I got a new truck and framed it here in my game room. Glad I kept it.
That's awesome!
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...whats happening to this thread it was getting so cool.
[✓] Is it pinball?
[✓] Is it interesting?
[✓] Is it rare?
Quoted from SilverUnicorn:It says 1983 on it. I am amazed none of the mazes are filled in.
Sorry it's not pinball related. Rare Dunno. Interesting? I think so. Sorry to bring down your thread.
Chris
It's cool man I'm sorry I was not trying to single you out there Silver, this thread is just too cool and I'm honestly on the edge of my seat when I see that there was a new post in here. lol
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Quoted from Peer:» YouTube video
Really nice items on display at the Dutch Pinball Museum
If they have the Dr. Dude Big Shot mold...Ocean's Fourteen lol
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