Preliminary manual went out with the sample games.

LTG : )

Is there a difference between MM sample and production ?
I know the proto had blue castles, different hole positions, catapult entry and not reinforced ramp... that was pretty much it.

Does anyone know which MM are prototypes ? For example , #2 was a production game . The numbering worked a bit different I believe

White wood HS PF. Probably an ebay purchase but I sold it a while ago. IIRC it was dated 1991 which I thought was odd. If I could only see into the future, I would still have it.

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Would help if I showed the front lol,

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Playboy whitewood.

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Attack from mars prototype #16. Need to be fully restored

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I was told this was an Austin Powers prototype field. Looks like it was abandoned half way through.

Could have had a lower playfield…

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Well the playfield is definitely a Frankenstein Whitewood. I don't know what the mini playfield was supposed to be. I don't see any similarities with any production game. But Frankenstein was developed in 1994 so I highly doubt it has anything to do with Austin Powers developed in late2000 early2001.

But interesting for sure.

Couple of promo items I have never seen before. Maybe they are more common than I think? Dr Dude card that changes image on angle and a Bride of Pinbot diamond.

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The hologram from Dr Dude was on the translight wasn't it?

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I had no idea. Never owned that game before. Thank you for the information.

I've had this for several years now and people love it. Very rare.

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This AirBall game is pretty fun. Todd at TNT had some NIB a few years back.

Chris

Very cool. I remember playing that on location!

Milwaukee Coin was selling NIB ones for $200.00 apiece just prior to shutting the doors in the early '80's. The Safe as well. The route op I worked for bought five. I got one of them.

They were so problem-prone that we had our machine movers remove a couple of them from locations and toss them right in the location's dumpsters.

I traded mine for a Williams Gold Rush ten+ years ago.

Bally Winners Circle

This is not necessarily a flex, but I would love some info on this. This has my group stumped. I have not found any documentation supporting that Bally ever did these. And this is an arrangeball with payout. You look in the cab, it looks every bit of prototype to me.

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Not really sure the full story behind this, but I picked up a wheelchair accessible Space Jam a few weeks ago.

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I wonder if that was ever part of a Project Pinball installation. At the same time, I bet they'd be interested in knowing it exists in case someone wanted to buy it and donate it.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.pinball/c/Qf5EMcsGyyM/m/7jvj0YT_apQJ
here's an old rgp post about wheelchair adapted pinball machines, looks like Sega made them themselves ?

Two pre-war pins you don't see everyday. Let alone in this condition.

1934 Gottlieb Push-Over
1934 Daval Big Bertha

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Apparently there were a number of Champagne Edition games produced without side art. Anyone know why or how many?

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273 units but with artwork

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I am overdue to brag about a nearly one of a kind EM in my possession:

A two player Williams Add-a-Ball! "Roto"

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Never put into production, somehow this proto wound up on CL in Appleton and obviously I snagged it!

That was quite a while ago, and I still haven't worked on getting it cleaned up and functional... I did manage to procure a schematic, thankfully.

I could use some encouragement! It will fit in so well next to my other Williams AAB, their first one in fact (1961): Skill Ball

there was a pre-war game that someone brought to the kalamazoo show earlier this year where you had to light up the bumpers by touching the coiled spring-type wire around them (like a pop bumper, without the kick).

does anyone know the name of that game? I would love to try and source one for the home

Please Please Please put this game back together and get it working.
Always knew it existed but never realized it was an AAB.

Good Luck

There are a lot of pre-war pins with that goal in mind. I have a 1941 Genco Argentine that utilizes light up bumpers for replays. You will have to be a bit more specific.

this may have been it (it's the only photo from the PATZ thread that I could find)
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heh yeah that's like a solid 6 years of pinball history right there.

Bally Bumper?

This I won at a previous Pinball Expo, during a trivia session. If I recall Williams was going to use a white Pinball for Joust, but I may be confusing it with The PowerBall in Twilight Zone.

It appears the steel is coated with Porcelain or some other product. You can see slight surface chipping.

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Not quite. Bally Bumper has a shorter backbox and different cabinet paint, although the colors are similar.

Few whitewoods I just picked up. One is quite unique.

Sega Jurassic Park: Lost World

Independence Day

Narrow body Baywatch.

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Very interesting. I wonder if they got this far and realized it wouldn't work as a standard body game so shifted gears?

*shocked dolphin noises*

Are not all baywhatches narrowbody?

It's a wide-body game.

WideBody size for DMD era.
Not widebody in size as in the 1980s era.

Story goes - they built a complete narrow and wide body version of the game to test. Played them both extensively and then decided on the wide body.

My Baywatch cabinet and playfield are the same width as Met and Totan right next to it... But, Baywatch does not have a shooter lane, making the PF area
larger. That's the only difference I see.

i helped move that game a few months ago

At least someone got that right

Seems like there is some confusion here...

Baywatch has a "standard" size playfield and cabinet just like any other game at the time.
BUT with a trick the designer managed to get a slightly wider play area while maintaining the same playfield size. They just removed those 1/2-inch wood rails which were typically mounted on the edges and replaced them with some thin metal rails.
Sega actually showcased this as a feature on the front page of the game flyer.
"NEW WRAP AROUND SIDE RAILS! Baywatch delivers wider and deeper shots without expanding the size of the cabinet."

It would be nice to get some detailed information of the games development. I don't know if any of the designers Joe Kaminkow or Joe Balcer are here on Pinside. But maybe the Software engineer Orin Day lobster does remember something?

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Here's a care package if you want to run your own pinball event back in the 70's

Probably not a rare item back then but not something you'd see often these days

Recently found these. Not entirely rare, I'm sure, but definitely less seldom seen these days. Kinda nice to find some street cred as to my past pinball adventures. I remember winning the local qualifying tournament on a TZ, too! It was a brand new game, then! Made the drive to Hayward for the finals but didn't do so well there.

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Such a great thread!

Anyone want to learn more about Winners Circle? http://pinballnovice.blogspot.com/2022/11/winners-circle-bally-prototype.html
There are so many questions we need answers to!

I liked your little trip through history with derby styled games. They still being made today, too. This casino-gaming based game from Konami is truly incredible and mesmerizing to watch in person.

Thanks, glad you appreciate it. There's something about an electromechanical spectacle that can just suck people in, and I hope that rubs off on Vegas / USA markets.

Going to promote my own thread here... https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/a-foreigners-guide-to-elecmeca-arcades-
but within there, you can go to the 2000s+ page and see many similar modern horse race games http://thetastates.com/eremeka/2000s.html
Konami release a new massive one every year or so, but there are other companies too, and even kiddie versions of the game, so you can teach children how to gamble I guess

Sadly, they already know how. Have you been to an "arcade" recently, like Chuck E. Cheese? It's just all redemption games, aka, gambling for kids. They literally have a game called "Super 21", where you drop one token per card and try to get a blackjack. It really should be illegal for kids to play games like that. They're not even trying to hide that it's just pure gambling at this point.