It's a sport. It takes physical and mental exertion, case closed.
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Quoted from jamieflowers:If you can play sitting down it is not a sport. Water Polo is definitely a sport BTW
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Quoted from chuckwurt:I would say there is no physical exertion in pinball. So no, not a sport.
Shooting? Archery? All olympic sports. Is pulling back a string more strenuous than moving around a 300 lb pinball machine?
Is pulling a trigger?
Quoted from jamieflowers:If you can play sitting down it is not a sport.
Quoted from IdahoRealtor:Come on. We're playing with toys here. Definitely not a sport.
Your ability defines you as playing, other's abilities allow them to transcend play and become competitors. All on how you approach it.
Quoted from chuckwurt:I would say there is no physical exertion in pinball. So no, not a sport.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Shooting is close, but archery for sure a sport. Have you tried to pull back a compound bow? It's effing impossible, let alone aim the damn thing.
These players aren't picking the games above their heads, they are shoving it an inch or two to the right or left, and that is not a regular occurrence due to the tilts usually not allowing a big move.
Depends on your skill level. Listen to Elwin talk about sliding saving and how he controls the tilts. Hell, Chess is going to be in the 2020 olympics. Pinball is a physical activity, you cannot play pinball without physical exertion. Defining a sport by how much exertion is applied is just arguing for arguments sake.
Quoted from smassa:lol well that settles it. He slid a pinball machine a lil over a foot. Must be a sport.....lol
By definition? Yes, it does.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Seen it. I totally understand what your saying, but that is not a regular occurance and it's not required to be the best in the world.
But the best in the world make it a sport. If I go out and toss the ball am I playing a sport? Is tossing a ball a sport? I would say no. If I go out in a competitive setting like a baseball game and toss a ball then yes I am playing a sport. Its all about context. Me playing Wii with my kid is not a sport, at the highest levels it becomes one.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Sorry. I guess I'm old fashioned when considering something a sport. It doesn't take away with how impressive all these competitions and competitors are, so why does it matter what we call it?
I'm right there with you but the more I play, and play horribly compared to what skilled players do, the more I feel like what guys like Elwin, Bowen, Zach, Robert and others do takes the game of pinball to the next level. Their skill at physically manipulating a game through physical exertion; nudging, slapping,sliding, etc., makes what they do a sport.
Quoted from fordtudoor:Sure...then we can petition to have it included in the Olympics along side rhythmic gymnastics.
The IOC recognizes Chess as a sport. They have asked for inclusion in the 2020 olympics.
Quoted from smassa:They are called the "Olympic Games" or "games of the Olympiad" A "Game" can be in the olympics & still not be considered a Sport.
The IOC recognizes it as a "sport."
Quoted from shaub:I wouldn't say there is no physical exertion in pinball but I think the important distinction is whether physical exertion is a key element or not. Yes nudging is incredibly important, but to me it seems like the mental aspect of knowing when and how to nudge is the skill, not the physical ability to nudge.
Football, soccer, hockey, etc. all take physical ability and make it a key element and are therefore sports. I don't think of e-sports, fishing, poker, chess, etc. as sports. But just because they aren't sports, it doesn't mean they are any less competitive.If a 5 year old plays hockey, it's still a sport. If a 5 year old plays video games, it is not. Why the distinction for different types of activities?
Context. I said if I was playing a Wii game with my kid I would not consider it a sport. If a 35 yr old was playing hockey against a 5 yr old are they playing a sport or just playing?
Quoted from chuckwurt:Okay there you go. We have two completely different opinions on what a sport is. That's okay.
It's okay to be wrong, it's just not okay to realize when you are wrong and to not change your opinion. We are trying to figure out whose opinion is wrong.
Quoted from smassa:Yes that Highly reputable organization the IOC. Is there a more corrupt organization out there this side of the mafia? lol
Yes, FIFA.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Saw that too. Like I said. I think there is zero physical exertion in pinball. I don't think nudging, slide saving, slap saving is physical exertion. And if it is, then pinball has only been a sport since tilt warnings were implemented?
Has nothing to do with tilt warnings. Has everything to do with physical exertion being applied to the body of the pinball machine to manipulate the movement of the ball. You are coming around though.
Quoted from Luckydogg420:If something is a game, and you play it in a league, competitively against other players from all over the world, then why wouldn't it be a sport.
I don't think the definition of sport includes running, jumping or heavy lifting.
Running in itself is not a sport, but racing is. Once again it is all in the context of the activity. Competitive pinball is a sport, playing pinball in your basement while sitting on your hand to numb your self awareness is not.
Quoted from tamoore:When I run in a marathon, I'm "racing", but I have zero chance of winning. I'm just not fast enough. If I can't win, am I involved in a sport?
Yes.
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